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2018 Front office changes

Driving earlier, I heard the Texans had added someone to the coaching staff, didn't get to hear who or what position. I was hoping it was a new OC. I'm disappointed but not surprised. I do like the hiring of Seely, though. He has 37 years of coaching experience, mostly in the NFL.
 
steelbtexan said:
Do you like the E-P system?
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As far as the overall philosophy of an offense, there are two components to that philosophy. A passing component and a running component. In other words, if you asked the offensive coordinator how he would describe his offense, you would find that he might describe how his passing game attacks the defense and how his running game attacks a defense.

In the past people would take a few of these components and call it an offensive system. They might break down the "systems" into four main offenses. The Air Coryell offense, the Erhardt-Perkins offense, the West Coast offense, and then all others that didn't neatly fall into one of those would be the "other" offenses.
They would break down the differences this way:
  1. Air Coryell Offense - This system is built upon a numbering system for the receivers that starts with the premise that the main route is the go route, also called the fly or the seam, where the receiver runs straight up the field. All the other routes are numbered based upon where and how they break off the main trunk of what they call the "route tree." I won't go into the route tree, but if you want more see my Football 101 post named, "What are all these numbers and letters" in the drop down at the bottom of the article.
  2. West Coast Offense - One of the concepts of the West Coast offense is to get five skill players involved in the passing game. While the run plays use the standard two digit numbering system, the pass plays are not numbered but have to be memorized by their route types. Initially the primary receiver had route names that were easy to remember, such as X-In or Z-Hook, etc, but the names have become much more cryptic such as "Green Right Strong Slot Spider 2 Y Banana." This makes them very difficult to memorize.
  3. Erhardt-Perkins Offense - The unique trait of this offense is the way plays are organized. Instead of long cryptic names or a numbering system, they are organized by "concepts" that are visualized often by a single word. The word might be "Choice" or "In." All receivers memorize all of the routes associated with this concept which allows a great deal of flexibility by allowing different receivers to line up in any of the alignment positions. And it is much easier to learn, and thus leads to less mistakes. And it also has a lot of different looks and is not simple to defend.
  4. Other - This one is a combination of two or more of the ones listed above. &&&&& https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...01-understanding-basic-nfl-offensive-concepts &&&&
 
steelbtexan said:
Payton coached under Parcells as OC/QB coach.
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20 years as an NFL coach. 17 years in WCO & Air Coryell, 3 years in E-P. Also coached with and now is good friends with Jon Gruden.

Now I'm sure as a smart coach Payton has pulled some good things from many of the coaches he has worked with. But his nomenclature and base system is Air Coryell.
 
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IDEXAN said:
And you base that belief on what ?
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I guess I should have included IMHO. But I don't think I wrote it as fact, it's just my belief.

I "believe" (IMHO) he'll be vocal because of his experience. People with a vast amount of experience in their given field of work, and with the kind of success Brad Seely has enjoyed usually speak up. I've noticed that in my career. When you know what you're talking about you talk about it. With confidence.

What's your opinion? Do you think he's going to sit in a corner, quiet as a mouse?
 
banned1976 said:
I guess I should have included IMHO. But I don't think I wrote it as fact, it's just my belief.

I "believe" (IMHO) he'll be vocal because of his experience. People with a vast amount of experience in their given field of work, and with the kind of success Brad Seely has enjoyed usually speak up. I've noticed that in my career. When you know what you're talking about you talk about it. With confidence.

What's your opinion? Do you think he's going to sit in a corner, quiet as a mouse?
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I don't have a clue, I have no earthly idea what the main ingredients are for a successful ST coach other than what's important for coachs in general and for that matter
folks in all kinds of occupations: intellegence, knowlege/eperience, hard work, integrity.
 
banned1976 said:
I guess I should have included IMHO. But I don't think I wrote it as fact, it's just my belief.

I "believe" (IMHO) he'll be vocal because of his experience. People with a vast amount of experience in their given field of work, and with the kind of success Brad Seely has enjoyed usually speak up. I've noticed that in my career. When you know what you're talking about you talk about it. With confidence.

What's your opinion? Do you think he's going to sit in a corner, quiet as a mouse?
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With his extensive experience and impressive long-term track record, O'Brien and Gaine are much more likely to listen carefully.
 
IDEXAN said:
I don't have a clue, I have no earthly idea what the main ingredients are for a successful ST coach other than what's important for coachs in general and for that matter
folks in all kinds of occupations: intellegence, knowlege/eperience, hard work, integrity.
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It's just confidence. With anything. Now, I will add when I started my career in manufacturing I was quiet. I was learning. But the guy I car pooled with from Katy to Sealy and back abruptly stopped talking to me at work one day. He extended that silence in the car until he said "do you know why I'm not talking to you?". Of course I wondered. We worked together, we car pooled together. He had worked in manufacturing probably 10-15 years, I just started, I looked up to him, he was a leader. And before I could answer he said, "because I can't hear you". From that point on, I spoke up, I asked questions and I got damn good at my job. I went from an assembly line worker to a Quality Engineer with the company. Eventually I became a Director of a medical and aerospace designer and manufacturer; all w/o a college degree.

If you're an IT guy, a programmer (nothing wrong with that, my brother has made a career out of it), yeah, nobody expects you to command the room. But if you're a 30 year veteran coach in the NFL (usually, not always, a more disciplined field than manufacturing) you're going to find your voice or you'll probably be a "not for long" guy. IMHO.

And that is why I like the hiring of Brad Seely. I know nothing of his personal life. I only know that he is a 3X Super Bowl champ and he has an extensive NFL career as a leader. Good 'nuff.
 
IDEXAN said:
As far as the overall philosophy of an offense, there are two components to that philosophy. A passing component and a running component. In other words, if you asked the offensive coordinator how he would describe his offense, you would find that he might describe how his passing game attacks the defense and how his running game attacks a defense.

In the past people would take a few of these components and call it an offensive system. They might break down the "systems" into four main offenses. The Air Coryell offense, the Erhardt-Perkins offense, the West Coast offense, and then all others that didn't neatly fall into one of those would be the "other" offenses.
They would break down the differences this way:
  1. Air Coryell Offense - This system is built upon a numbering system for the receivers that starts with the premise that the main route is the go route, also called the fly or the seam, where the receiver runs straight up the field. All the other routes are numbered based upon where and how they break off the main trunk of what they call the "route tree." I won't go into the route tree, but if you want more see my Football 101 post named, "What are all these numbers and letters" in the drop down at the bottom of the article.
  2. West Coast Offense - One of the concepts of the West Coast offense is to get five skill players involved in the passing game. While the run plays use the standard two digit numbering system, the pass plays are not numbered but have to be memorized by their route types. Initially the primary receiver had route names that were easy to remember, such as X-In or Z-Hook, etc, but the names have become much more cryptic such as "Green Right Strong Slot Spider 2 Y Banana." This makes them very difficult to memorize.
  3. Erhardt-Perkins Offense - The unique trait of this offense is the way plays are organized. Instead of long cryptic names or a numbering system, they are organized by "concepts" that are visualized often by a single word. The word might be "Choice" or "In." All receivers memorize all of the routes associated with this concept which allows a great deal of flexibility by allowing different receivers to line up in any of the alignment positions. And it is much easier to learn, and thus leads to less mistakes. And it also has a lot of different looks and is not simple to defend.
  4. Other - This one is a combination of two or more of the ones listed above. &&&&& https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...01-understanding-basic-nfl-offensive-concepts &&&&
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Not what I've heard about E-P system...

You do realize this was written by a fan in Calif. paraphrasing a fan in NY?
 
banned1976 said:
It's just confidence. With anything. Now, I will add when I started my career in manufacturing I was quiet. I was learning. But the guy I car pooled with from Katy to Sealy and back abruptly stopped talking to me at work one day. He extended that silence in the car until he said "do you know why I'm not talking to you?". Of course I wondered. We worked together, we car pooled together. He had worked in manufacturing probably 10-15 years, I just started, I looked up to him, he was a leader. And before I could answer he said, "because I can't hear you". From that point on, I spoke up, I asked questions and I got damn good at my job. I went from an assembly line worker to a Quality Engineer with the company. Eventually I became a Director of a medical and aerospace designer and manufacturer; all w/o a college degree.

If you're an IT guy, a programmer (nothing wrong with that, my brother has made a career out of it), yeah, nobody expects you to command the room. But if you're a 30 year veteran coach in the NFL (usually, not always, a more disciplined field than manufacturing) you're going to find your voice or you'll probably be a "not for long" guy. IMHO.

And that is why I like the hiring of Brad Seely. I know nothing of his personal life. I only know that he is a 3X Super Bowl champ and he has an extensive NFL career as a leader. Good 'nuff.
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Great story,

Hard work and paying attention will take you a long way. Today, listening appears to be a lost art.
 
I think Barrett is an upgrade at RB coach. I think he got the most out of his RBs with Miami and comes from the OB/O’leary coaching tree.

Midget getting promoted after the year the secondary had is a bit concerning.Tells me that they probably lost out on who they wanted but if Vrabel/RAC sign off on it then i’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Tracy Smith appears to be our new ST coach Seely’s right hand man and given Seely’s track record I am very excited to see what they do with the special teams unit this season.

I think we’ve upgraded at 2 of 3 spots. Hopefully an infusion of new personnel in the secondary will make the Midget hire a big improvement as well...
 
TheRealJoker said:
I think Barrett is an upgrade at RB coach. I think he got the most out of his RBs with Miami and comes from the OB/O’leary coaching tree.

Midget getting promoted after the year the secondary had is a bit concerning.Tells me that they probably lost out on who they wanted but if Vrabel/RAC sign off on it then i’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Tracy Smith appears to be our new ST coach Seely’s right hand man and given Seely’s track record I am very excited to see what they do with the special teams unit this season.

I think we’ve upgraded at 2 of 3 spots. Hopefully an infusion of new personnel in the secondary will make the Midget hire a big improvement as well...
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After seeing the S play last yr I'm not thrilled about promoting Midget.
 
frethack said:
But...Ed Reed!

In all seriousness, I think the Texans have a very talented safety on the roster, but he's been playing CB since 2010

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It's not as easy as some would think. Plus I've seen him struggle vs tight ends.I like Joyner from the Rams. He's physical,tough, and a playmaker.
 
John McClain

✔@McClain_on_NFL

Texans hired John Pagano as a senior defensive assistant who’ll coach OLBs. Bobby King will coach ILBs.

3:42 PM - Jan 26, 2018

Harry Latham-Coyle@Hlc1221

Interesting hire. Pagano was DC in Oakland last year, and the #Texans added three linebackers in-season who were with the Raiders during the preseason (Jenkins, Heeney, Lewis) https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/957005780112338946 …

3:54 PM - Jan 26, 2018

patrick

✔@PatDStat

Good to see Bill O’Brien build a staff with experience in the NFL. Adding John Pagano (22 years) and Brad Seely (29 years) plus Romeo Crennel (37 years) is back at DC. Group was young last year especially on the defensive side. #Texans

3:40 PM - Jan 26, 2018

Pagano brings more than twenty years of NFL experience to the Texans’ staff. He is widely seen around the league as an “edge rush and blitzing guru,” and he is often credited with the developments of pass rushing terrors like Melvin Ingram and Shawne Merriman. Whether or not Pagano can continue to improve the play of Jadeveon Clowney and Whitney Mercilus like Mike Vrabel did remains to be seen, but hiring John Pagano is a solid step towards making sure that the Houston pass rush remains strong.
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https://www.battleredblog.com/2018/...enior-defensive-assistant-outside-linebackers
 
Nice hires to the coaching staff on defense but where the hell are the Texans new coaching guru's for the OL and at OC?
 
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JB said:
I was real disappointed that Devlin was retained...
Don't think there will be an OC hire, not even in name only. OB is the smartest guy in the room, just ask him
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Like they say, give a dumbass just enough rope and they'll sure as hell figure out how to hang themselves.

**This message was not sponsored by Bill O'Brien**
 
JB said:
I was real disappointed that Devlin was retained...
Don't think there will be an OC hire, not even in name only. OB is the smartest guy in the room, just ask him
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FWIW Draft guru Mike Mayoc at Senior Bowl practices this week in Mobil called Devlin one of the best young OLine coachs in the NFL today.
 
zshawn10 said:
John McClain

✔@McClain_on_NFL

Texans hired John Pagano as a senior defensive assistant who’ll coach OLBs. Bobby King will coach ILBs.

3:42 PM - Jan 26, 2018

Harry Latham-Coyle@Hlc1221

Interesting hire. Pagano was DC in Oakland last year, and the #Texans added three linebackers in-season who were with the Raiders during the preseason (Jenkins, Heeney, Lewis) https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/957005780112338946 …

3:54 PM - Jan 26, 2018

patrick

✔@PatDStat

Good to see Bill O’Brien build a staff with experience in the NFL. Adding John Pagano (22 years) and Brad Seely (29 years) plus Romeo Crennel (37 years) is back at DC. Group was young last year especially on the defensive side. #Texans

3:40 PM - Jan 26, 2018



https://www.battleredblog.com/2018/...enior-defensive-assistant-outside-linebackers
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Pagano is an excellent addition to the coaching staff. Hopefully he lessens the blow of losing Vrabel. Really wondering when we're going to add another offensive mind to the room. At this point I don't expect anyone other than a "quality control" new coach... but i'd really like them to add someone with extensive coaching experience on the offensive side to challenge OB. Seems like we added that with Pagano on the defensive side, but offensively it appears to be OB and his yes men.
 

Mike Klis‏Verified account@MikeKlis

Broncos had asked Texans for permission to interview Wes Welker for WR coach. Texans denied request for what would have been a promotion. Broncos opted for one-year NFL coach Zach Azzanni as WR coach. #9sports

7:56 PM - 3 Feb 2018
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patrick‏Verified account@PatDStat 11h11 hours ago

Texans can deny due to Welker being a position coach. Texans want Welker to continue to help the receivers and returners. Plenty of positives said about him helping breakdown the O for WRs.

Wes Welker assisted John Perry with the WR group. Welker really worked hard with the slot group. One of the better coached position groups for the Texans last season.

Texans hired him. Broncos wanted him, they should have hired him first. OB is in the business of building a good staff, Welker is a positive for the coaching staff.

OB does right for his coaching staff. Not like he is holding Welker hostage. OB let him be very involved for an offensive assistant and that will continue to grow.

wouldn’t be a lateral move. He is an offensive assistant here.
 
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This may not be the most up to the minute data, with all the moves going on, but the Texans' official coaches page lists Welker at the very bottom as an "offensive/ST assistant. Seems like a move to be the head WRs coach would be a promotion.

IMHO, the right thing is for the Texans to make Welker the lead WRs position coach and not just an assistant.
 
ObsiWan said:
This may not be the most up to the minute data, with all the moves going on, but the Texans' official coaches page lists Welker at the very bottom as an "offensive/ST assistant. Seems like a move to be the head WRs coach would be a promotion.

IMHO, the right thing is for the Texans to make Welker the lead WRs position coach and not just an assistant.
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It's funny, but when you click on John Perry on that link, his page still titles him as TIGHT END coach, not WR coach.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It's funny, but when you click on John Perry on that link, his page still titles him as TIGHT END coach, not WR coach.
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Things will very likely change more before OTAs begin so who knows who will be doing what by then.

And the HT.com website may still not be up to date
LoL
 
O'Donnell joined the Duke coaching staff in July of 2016 and serves as a graduate assistant coach while working primarily with the defensive unit.

During his first season with the Blue Devils, O'Donnell worked with a trio of All-ACC selections and a Freshman All-America honoree in linebacker Joe Giles-Harris. Duke's defense had three tabbed as ACC Players of the Week and redshirt senior defensive tackle A.J. Wolf repeated as a First Team CoSIDA Academic All-America honoree.

O'Donnell spent the 2015 season as a defensive graduate assistant at Southern Miss where he helped the Golden Eagles to 9-5 record and Conference USA Championship Game appearance against Western Kentucky. The Golden Eagles returned to a bowl for the first time in four years, playing Washington in the Zaxby's Heart of Dallas Bowl. Led by first team all-league defensive back Kalan Reed, USM held opponents to 25.6 points per game.

Prior to joining the Golden Eagles, O'Donnell worked as an intern for one year at the University of Iowa. Before his stint with the Hawkeyes, O'Donnell was a linebacker at Brown, helping the Bears claim the 2008 Ivy League Championship. A member of the football team's Leadership Committee, O'Donnell was an All-Ivy League selection in 2011.

A native of Tipton, Iowa, O'Donnell graduated from Brown with a bachelor's degree in economics in 2012 and is pursuing a master's degree in Christian studies. He is married to the former Katie Witt.
 
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