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2014 NFL Draft chatter/rumors/news

steelbtexan said:
Rd.1 Nix
Rd.3 DaQuan Jones
3-4. Justin Ellis who I also believe has the feet to play the 5 tech.
Rd.5 Beau Allen/Carrethers/Caraun Reid
Rd.6 Deandre Coleman, who could also play the 5 tech/Zack Kerr/Khyri Thorton
Rd.7 Mike Pennel/Robert Thomas/Bruce Gaston
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Thanks steelb

If you could pop into my Big Fat Fatties thread to explain how you identify fits that would be appreciated.

Not sure why Reid is identified as someone who an be a NT but for example Kelcey Quarles can't. Not hung up on Quarles, just pulled the name out of my butt.
 
bah007 said:
I really love the O'Brien hire here, but I have to admit that I'm scared of Bradley.
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I think Bradley could be a good coach, but coaching the Jags is going to be like coaching the Cardinals, or the Browns. They need a lot more than just a coach. If I were a Jags fan, I want to be hearing that they are spending a lot of energy changing the culture, not just in the locker room, but in the whole organization, from top to bottom.

That was one of the things that I liked most about when Kubiak came here. He wasn't just about change in the locker room & it appeared that McNair bought in as well.

I like Whisenhunt. I think he's a good coach & thought he did a good job in Arizona with what he had to work with. I think the Titans are a better organization than the Cardinals & it's going to be tough in the AFC South.
 
steelbtexan said:
Rd.1 Nix
Rd.3 DaQuan Jones
3-4. Justin Ellis who I also believe has the feet to play the 5 tech.
Rd.5 Beau Allen/Carrethers/Caraun Reid
Rd.6 Deandre Coleman, who could also play the 5 tech/Zack Kerr/Khyri Thorton
Rd.7 Mike Pennel/Robert Thomas/Bruce Gaston
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That's a pretty good list there. I'm really hoping for One or two of Ellis, Allen, Carrethers and Coleman. Pennel is huge but probably to much of a project to draft. Not a fan of Ried as a NT in this defense. No McCullers?
 
mussop said:
That's a pretty good list there. I'm really hoping for One or two of Ellis, Allen, Carrethers and Coleman. Pennel is huge but probably to much of a project to draft. Not a fan of Ried as a NT in this defense. No McCullers?
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Think steelb has McCullers as DE.
 
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Kelvin Benjamin 30th in my new rankings. Was told KB recently blew off workout w NFL coach who had made special trip, said he was too tired
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Maybe his hands hurt from footballs bouncing off of them... ? :fingergun:
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I believe it is an issue with his height and leverage. As a NT he is vulnerable to getting blockers under his pads and getting moved.

As a DE he has the height and long arms you look for.
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He can definitely keep OL off of the OLB's at DE and with Watt/Clowney/McCullers there should be more than a few balls batted down at the LOS.

McCullers will be a perfect 5 tech. He was miscast as a NT. IMHO
 
steelbtexan said:
He can definitely keep OL off of the OLB's at DE and with Watt/Clowney/McCullers there should be more than a few balls batted down at the LOS.

McCullers will be a perfect 5 tech. He was miscast as a NT. IMHO
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Makes sense. Hey the bigger the better on the front three. I would prefer two guys who have the best combination of size and effort. We already have one smaller DE in Watt. Put some meat around around him and Protect him.
 
mussop said:
That's an awfully big DE.
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Big guys like Haloti Ngata and B.J. Raji have had success at DE in BAL and GB's 3-4 defenses, but those guys are much more explosive.


Ngata
Weigh-In: 6-4, 338
Bench: 37 reps
Vertical: 31.5
Broad: 110.0

Raji
Weigh-In: 6-2, 337
Bench: 33 reps
Vertical: 32.0
Broad: 103.0

McCullers
Weigh-In: 6-7, 352
Bench: 27 reps
Vertical: 20.5
Broad: 97.0


They are also better pass rushers and football players in general. McCullers could play DE, but I wouldn't expect much production out of him. He's a big body that was immovable for most college linemen, but so was Terrance Cody. He won't go very far unless he develops some tangible football skills other than just being big. He has no burst off the snap and his playing level is inconsistent.

Unless he suddenly becomes a great athlete or improves his technique dramatically, he will just be a big guy playing football instead of a football player that happens to be big. This is what I think of every time someone mentions McCullers as a NT. He's #98....

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Talking to someone I trust today concerning No. 1 overall pick. GM wants Bridgewater, HC wants Clowney, Owner wants Manziel.
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Makes sense.

GM's generally prefer safer picks because busts mainly reflect on them.

HC's generally prefer the most talented player because they believe they can mold anyone into a good player.

Owner's generally prefer the guy who will bring the most money into the organization because the organization is first and foremost a business.
 
WolverineFan said:
Makes sense.

GM's generally prefer safer picks because busts mainly reflect on them.

HC's generally prefer the most talented player because they believe they can mold anyone into a good player.

Owner's generally prefer the guy who will bring the most money into the organization because the organization is first and foremost a business.
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Also, owners can also still be fans more than true talent evaluators. That said, it will be up to one of the other two to convince the with the biggest stick errr wallet to be convinced that they way is the right one.
 
WolverineFan said:
Big guys like Haloti Ngata and B.J. Raji have had success at DE in BAL and GB's 3-4 defenses, but those guys are much more explosive.


Ngata
Weigh-In: 6-4, 338
Bench: 37 reps
Vertical: 31.5
Broad: 110.0

Raji
Weigh-In: 6-2, 337
Bench: 33 reps
Vertical: 32.0
Broad: 103.0

McCullers
Weigh-In: 6-7, 352
Bench: 27 reps
Vertical: 20.5
Broad: 97.0


They are also better pass rushers and football players in general. McCullers could play DE, but I wouldn't expect much production out of him. He's a big body that was immovable for most college linemen, but so was Terrance Cody. He won't go very far unless he develops some tangible football skills other than just being big. He has no burst off the snap and his playing level is inconsistent.

Unless he suddenly becomes a great athlete or improves his technique dramatically, he will just be a big guy playing football instead of a football player that happens to be big. This is what I think of every time someone mentions McCullers as a NT. He's #98....

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You mean like Myers getting knocked on his butt by Jenkins?

It happens

Halapio?
 
WR Josh Gordon still thinks Browns will draft a QB

Josh Gordon raised some eyebrows when he said he was "pretty sure" the Browns would draft a quarterback with the fourth pick when he was on ESPN last month...

He's become a little more diplomatic and vague now but still thinks the Browns will draft a quarterback--however he wouldn't say if he thought it would be with the fourth overall pick.

"From talking with Ray Farmer, I'm still pretty sure we're going to take a quarterback," Gordon said in an exclusive interview with FOX Sports Ohio in Rochester, N.Y. on Saturday.
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Gordon gave his assessment of the top quarterbacks in this year's draft.

"Blake Bortles seems like a real tall, sturdy quarterback that might be able to withstand a strong conference like ours," Gordon said. "He looks like he might be able to battle attrition and stay healthy.

"Johnny Manziel is a real fireball, athletic player," he said. "A really polarizing, electric figure, who will bring a lot of fans out and be an exciting player.

"Derek Carr has an amazing arm on him and he has run the West Coast offense.

"Teddy Bridgewater is an amazing athlete," he said. "I really don't think you can lose with any of those guys."
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Last year while watching Jonathan Banks I noticed that Darius Slay was the better CB and thought at the time Slay would be the first drafted.

This year while watching Tennessee's Antonio Richardson I noticed, in my mind that Juwan James is the better offensive tackle. I expect that James will be drafted ahead of Richardson.
 
Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 2h

Mark Dominik also said that when he was #Bucs GM they wouldn't have their draft board set until the week before the draft.
 
Texian said:
Last year while watching Jonathan Banks I noticed that Darius Slay was the better CB and thought at the time Slay would be the first drafted.

This year while watching Tennessee's Antonio Richardson I noticed, in my mind that Juwan James is the better offensive tackle. I expect that James will be drafted ahead of Richardson.
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Way to go out on a limb there!!!!
 
thunderkyss said:
That may explain a lot.
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How so TK? I've read/heard that from several teams. We're not that far out and according to what we're hearing the Texans aren't lasered in yet as well. Could be BS from all but seems to be consistent among several teams.
 
Texian said:
Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 2h

Mark Dominik also said that when he was #Bucs GM they wouldn't have their draft board set until the week before the draft.
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I have heard this before, but also have seen other former Gms say that their initial board usually in FEB is about 80% accurate to what the one they will draft. at this point barring, major information on a prospect, no player makes any dramatic move up or down a board. just a few tweaks
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I have heard this before, but also have seen other former Gms say that their initial board usually in FEB is about 80% accurate to what the one they will draft. at this point barring, major information on a prospect, no player any dramatic moves up or down a board. just a few tweets
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How things get reported can make the same facts sound very different.

Cold war joke. US and Soviet sprinters in a 2 man race which the US wins.

US press - The American won the day while the Soviet runner came in last.

Soviet press - Our glorious Soviet sprinter came in 2nd and the American was next to last.
 
CBS Sports' Pete Prisco tweeted "NFL personnel believe Texans will trade out of top spot."

Prisco suggest The Falcons and Bills as two possibilities to trade up to No. 1 for Jadeveon Clowney, and believes the Rams might be an option "if the offer were right." This report could go hand in hand with Peter King's, which said (via a friend of) Houston GM Rich Smith preferred Khalil Mack over Clowney.

https://twitter.com/PriscoCBS/status/458242802149629952
 
Texian said:
CBS Sports' Pete Prisco tweeted "NFL personnel believe Texans will trade out of top spot."

Prisco suggest The Falcons and Bills as two possibilities to trade up to No. 1 for Jadeveon Clowney, and believes the Rams might be an option "if the offer were right." This report could go hand in hand with Peter King's, which said (via a friend of) Houston GM Rich Smith preferred Khalil Mack over Clowney.

https://twitter.com/PriscoCBS/status/458242802149629952
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This is not directed at you Texian. This is getting rediculous. People are just starting to throw **** at the wall hoping it sticks now. God I can't wait for the draft to get here.
 
mussop said:
This is not directed at you Texian. This is getting rediculous. People are just starting to throw **** at the wall hoping it sticks now. God I can't wait for the draft to get here.
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Agree, burnout is fast approaching, if not already here!
 
NFL announces a record 30 players will attend the NFL Draft including 4 quarterbacks.


I would stay at home. It will be a very long nite in the green room if you dont get picked


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aussie_texan said:
who wants to guess how many of these guys will be selected in the 1st??

my guess is 20
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Prospects attending the 2014 NFL Draft:
Odell Beckham, WR, LSU

Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida

Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri

Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois

Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota

Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State

Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana

Marqise Lee, WR, USC

Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo

Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia

C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville

Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State

Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

I'm going with 22. The bolded seem like locks to me.
 
out of the top WRs in the league now, none are below 6.2
Fitz, A.Johnson, Megatron, Dez, Marshall, Gordon, Green. just to name a few.

For the guys that love watkins (i also think his a top 6 talent)
does this along with the above espn stat scare you??
 
aussie_texan said:
out of the top WRs in the league now, none are below 6.2
Fitz, A.Johnson, Megatron, Dez, Marshall, Gordon, Green. just to name a few.

For the guys that love watkins (i also think his a top 6 talent)
does this along with the above espn stat scare you??
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No...it was not that long ago (2 years) that Welker, Wayne, cruz, steve smith were in that group. I like bigger, strong, faster like the next guy, but if a guy is skilled enough that inch really won't matter.
 
aussie_texan said:
out of the top WRs in the league now, none are below 6.2
Fitz, A.Johnson, Megatron, Dez, Marshall, Gordon, Green. just to name a few.

For the guys that love watkins (i also think his a top 6 talent)
does this along with the above espn stat scare you??
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I'm a Watkins guy that ESPN thing made me grimace and reconsider a little bit.

But... how do you define "top WRs in the league"? In terms of production last season, several guys were under 6' 2" -- Edelman, Garcon, Brown, Wright, Jackson -- were in the top 10 in Receptions or Yards or both. Granted, some of those guys aren't the big names but that doesn't mean they aren't productive. And when you factor in all the ways you can use Watkins both as a runner and as a receiver, he's like a bigger Percy Harvin, hopefully a more durable Percy Harvin.

I can't see how that's a bad thing.
 
badboy said:
It helps Watkins that he would not be #1 guy on Texans & maybe not #2
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If we make the assumption that he becomes a Texan, it would be with the long-term thought that one day (maybe two or three years) he would be the best WR on the team whrther Andre Johnson is still with us or not. don't think this is going to happen though.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm a Watkins guy that ESPN thing made me grimace and reconsider a little bit.

But... how do you define "top WRs in the league"? In terms of production last season, several guys were under 6' 2" -- Edelman, Garcon, Brown, Wright, Jackson -- were in the top 10 in Receptions or Yards or both. Granted, some of those guys aren't the big names but that doesn't mean they aren't productive. And when you factor in all the ways you can use Watkins both as a runner and as a receiver, he's like a bigger Percy Harvin, hopefully a more durable Percy Harvin.

I can't see how that's a bad thing.
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most talented.
also those other names i think are either on the back of good QB play or have production due to the system.

the guys i mentioned are more talented and can win games on their own and dont need top QB or top offensive system to produce
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
No...it was not that long ago (2 years) that Welker, Wayne, cruz, steve smith were in that group. I like bigger, strong, faster like the next guy, but if a guy is skilled enough that inch really won't matter.
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i totally agree but there is more than a coincidence for elite WRs being 6.3ft and above
 
Heath Shuler said:
NFL announces a record 30 players will attend the NFL Draft including 4 quarterbacks.





I would stay at home. It will be a very long nite in the green room if you dont get picked





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Garropolo ain't going round one. Only going to let himself down.

Stay home son.
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
Asked D coach for a sleeper: #Princeton DT Caraun Reid. “People say lack of competition. But in @seniorbowl, he was kicking everyone’s ass.”
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A TTalk mock late favorite.
 
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