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All Encompassing Vick Thread

Who cares what happened to another criminal in the past? Goddell was not the commish back then and he is now.
 
nunusguy said:
If Leonard Little got drunk and got in a car and killed another human being with his car, why can he remain in the league but Michael Vick can't because he killed some dogs ?
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I will just point out one simple fact that you seem unwilling to notice ...........

there is a NEW SHERIFF in TOWN!

The new sheriff has made a statement regarding vick and that is ..........

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nunusguy said:
If Leonard Little got drunk and got in a car and killed another human being with his car, why can he remain in the league but Michael Vick can't because he killed some dogs ?
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No, because Vick:

1. Lied to the Commish.

2. Lied to Arthur Blank.

3. Was involved in Illegal Gambling.

4. Was involved in Organized Crime.

5. Would be a continuing discredit to the NFL.

5. Was involved in a vile, subhuman activity.
 
Mr. White said:
Leonard Little is a dumbass that got drunk and killed somebody. There's lots more like him.

Mike Vick is running a criminal enterprise.

Totally different animals.
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"Totally different animals" ? Was that some kind of shot at a pun there
Mr. W ?
Anyway, gotta say that you and your buddies are dodgin & duckin with cop-outs today. You guys value your pets more than human life it would seem. Honestly I can't decide what to think about that ?
OK, let me up the ante here. Little went on to get another DUI after he killed the human being in the earlier drunken-driving event, and yet the NFL continued to permit him on the field. Granted, same ole dumbass as you say,
but does the league not have some kind of obligation at this point to put their foot down ? Or is it still OK in your view for him to play in the NFL ?
 
nunusguy said:
gotta say that you and your buddies are dodgin & duckin with cop-outs today.
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Funny, I don't see you answering direct questions.

Little went on to get another DUI after he killed the human being in the earlier drunken-driving event, and yet the NFL continued to permit him on the field.
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He was acquitted. Care to try again?
 
infantrycak said:
Funny, I don't see you answering direct questions.



He was acquitted. Care to try again?
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The fatcs do not matter. It also is irrevalent that the judge oreder Little to never drink again.


nunusguy said:
"Totally different animals" ? Was that some kind of shot at a pun there
Mr. W ?
Anyway, gotta say that you and your buddies are dodgin & duckin with cop-outs today. You guys value your pets more than human life it would seem. Honestly I can't decide what to think about that ?
OK, let me up the ante here. Little went on to get another DUI after he killed the human being in the earlier drunken-driving event, and yet the NFL continued to permit him on the field. Granted, same ole dumbass as you say,
but does the league not have some kind of obligation at this point to put their foot down ? Or is it still OK in your view for him to play in the NFL ?
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The collective bargining agreement did not have anything in it regarding player conducts as they do now. they do have a drug/alcholo policy and Little is in that program.

Now that the league has a new commissioner, tgether with the NFLPA they reworked the collective barginning agreement to have a player conduct model in which you see guys like qubert, Tank Johnson and Chris Henry being suspended. Now you have Vick falling under this and he is suspended. What you are suggesting is to punish Little again for what he did years ago. It is wonderful that you think a player should be punished under a new commissioner and under new rules for something he was already punished for.

So no the league should not put their foot down.
 
nunusguy said:
"Totally different animals" ? Was that some kind of shot at a pun there
Mr. W ?
Anyway, gotta say that you and your buddies are dodgin & duckin with cop-outs today. You guys value your pets more than human life it would seem. Honestly I can't decide what to think about that ?
OK, let me up the ante here. Little went on to get another DUI after he killed the human being in the earlier drunken-driving event, and yet the NFL continued to permit him on the field. Granted, same ole dumbass as you say,
but does the league not have some kind of obligation at this point to put their foot down ? Or is it still OK in your view for him to play in the NFL ?
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Specnatz spelled it out but what is so hard about understanding that Leonard Little was not convicted of the second DWI..it was speeding..and there was another commisioner. I think he is a moron for going out and doing what he did yet that is a case that was pre-NFL policy. They aren't going to start retroactively punishing guys according to the new rules. Seriously, is that what you are trying to say?Because that is what you sound like. Its the only way your statement makes sense...well to you. No one here puts a human life above an animals. The only thing I'm concentrating on right now is Vick. No matter how you try and spin it and twist it, it amounts to heinous acts and torture of animals while running a gambling ring. It is illegal and he is getting busted. When the next NFLer kills a guy or does something, we can discuss it then. Overall though I will be just as offended.
 
The NFL didn't suspend Vick indefinately because he killed dogs. So, lets do away with the 'value of animals over the value of human life' take, OK?

The NFL suspended Vick because . . .

"your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL player contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player."
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nunusguy said:
If Leonard Little got drunk and got in a car and killed another human being with his car, why can he remain in the league but Michael Vick can't because he killed some dogs ?
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Little was dumb and irresponsible and killed a woman while driving under the influence. He got punished both in courts and by the NFL based on the evidence gathered. Basically, Little did something irresponsible but an accident while Vick did something reprehensible and not just intentionally but also ran a cottage industry organized crime ring SEEDED with NFL money. It's vile and conniving at its core. Both were involved in great loss but one was an accident and not an enterprise.

I have strong STL ties and the consensus amongst fans is that Little needs to go. It's an embarassment to the city and coupled with Josh Hancock's Cardinals reliever DUI death, the heat has been raised. There is a drinking culture in every city's team but you also have to be responsible and not get liquored up at the local strip tavern and then crash and die. Sadly, the coach and the owner don't want to get rid of Little because he is helping them win football games. I was never a Rams fan anyway. Shame on them. Now if you wanna talk about Diedorf and Green or Lomax, I'll talk turkey. It's sad, both my 'home' cities lost their football teams.....

hopefully the Texans can follow the Rams and win a SuperBowl shortly after replacing a long standing franchise like the Oilers and the St.Louis Football Cardinals.
 
nunusguy said:
"Totally different animals" ? Was that some kind of shot at a pun there
Mr. W ?
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If you have to ask.....

nunusguy said:
Anyway, gotta say that you and your buddies are dodgin & duckin with cop-outs today. You guys value your pets more than human life it would seem. Honestly I can't decide what to think about that ?
OK, let me up the ante here. Little went on to get another DUI after he killed the human being in the earlier drunken-driving event, and yet the NFL continued to permit him on the field. Granted, same ole dumbass as you say,
but does the league not have some kind of obligation at this point to put their foot down ? Or is it still OK in your view for him to play in the NFL ?
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Mike Vick is an organized crime figure. And it's a disgusting racket that he's involved in.

Leonard Little isn't.

I'm not making any comparison between human life and animals. I never even addressed that aspect of it.

I'm pretty sure that if Leonard Little got another DUI anytime soon, then he'd be out on his ass.
 
Vick deeply into dogfighting, father says
QB's dad says he didn't abandon family

By BY MATT KEMPNER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/24/07

Michael Vick's father said he pushed his son to quit dogfighting years ago or, at least, put property used for the fights in the name of friends to avoid being implicated some day.

Michael Boddie, in two sometimes tearful interviews with The Atlanta Journal-Constitution this week, said some time around 2001 his son staged dogfights in the garage of the family's home in Newport News, Va. Boddie also said Vick kept fighting dogs in the family's backyard, including injured ones - "bit up, chewed up, exhausted" - that the father nursed back to health.

Boddie, who is estranged from his son, dismissed the idea that Vick's longtime friends were the main instigators of the dogfighting operation.

"I wish people would stop sugarcoating it," Boddie said. "This is Mike's thing. And he knows it."

He "likes it, and he has the capital to have a set up like that."
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http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/08/23/vickdad_0824.html
 
It took them long enough..........Nike, you couldn't give up squeezing that last nickel before you were forced to, could you?


On the day that Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick pled guilty to charges related to dogfighting, Nike announced on Friday night that it has ended its relationship with its former endorser.

"Nike has terminated our contract with Michael Vick following today's release of details of his plea," Nike said, in a statement. "As we have said in previous statements, we consider any cruelty to animals inhumane, abhorrent and unacceptable."

Nike is the last company to have a relationship with Vick. Air Tran announced it would not re-sign the star, as did Rawlings.

The company suspended the release of Vick's new signature shoe, which was due to hit stores this week, and then eventually suspended his contract.

Sources tell CNBC that Nike will owe no money to Vick for terminating him as his contract specified that the company had that right if he were ever indicted.
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Nike Nixes Contract
 
I had to post this pathetic statement in total. These words came from the heart............the problem is they didn't come from Vick's. Have you ever heard him speak in public? These are words that were "ghost written" probably by the same person that wrote Fabio's and OJ's books.........Oh, I know, I burst everyone's balloon....... most of you thought that they authored their books themselves. :


"For most of my life, I've been a football player, not a public speaker, so, you know, I really don't know, you know, how to say what I really want to say.

You know, I understand it's - it's important or not important, you know, as far as what you say but how you say things. So, you know, I take this opportunity just to speak from the heart.

First, I want to apologize, you know, for all the things that - that I've done and that I have allowed to happen. I want to personally apologize to commissioner Goodell, Arthur Blank, coach Bobby Petrino, my Atlanta Falcons teammates, you know, for our - for our previous discussions that we had. And I was not honest and forthright in our discussions, and, you know, I was ashamed and totally disappointed in myself to say the least.

I want to apologize to all the young kids out there for my immature acts and, you know, what I did was, what I did was very immature so that means I need to grow up.

I totally ask for forgiveness and understanding as I move forward to bettering Michael Vick the person, not the football player.

I take full responsibility for my actions. For one second will I sit right here - not for one second will I sit right here and point the finger and try to blame anybody else for my actions or what I've done.

I'm totally responsible, and those things just didn't have to happen. I feel like we all make mistakes. It's just I made a mistake in using bad judgment and making bad decisions. And you know, those things, you know, just can't happen.

Dog fighting is a terrible thing, and I did reject it.

I'm upset with myself, and, you know, through this situation I found Jesus and asked him for forgiveness and turned my life over to God. And I think that's the right thing to do as of right now.

Like I said, for this - for this entire situation I never pointed the finger at anybody else, I accepted responsibility for my actions of what I did and now I have to pay the consequences for it. But in a sense, I think it will help, you know, me as a person. I got a lot to think about in the next year or so.

I offer my deepest apologies to everybody out in there in the world who was affected by this whole situation. And if I'm more disappointed with myself than anything it's because of all the young people, young kids that I've let down, who look at Michael Vick as a role model. And to have to go through this and put myself in this situation, you know, I hope that every young kid out there in the world watching this interview right now who's been following the case will use me as an example to using better judgment and making better decisions.

Once again, I offer my deepest apologies to everyone. And I will redeem myself. I have to.

So I got a lot of down time, a lot of time to think about my actions and what I've done and how to make Michael Vick a better person.

Thank you."
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Nike said, in a statement. "As we have said in previous statements, we consider any cruelty to animals inhumane, abhorrent and unacceptable."
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But using child and slave labor to make your over-priced shoes IS acceptable?
 
Speedy said:
So, anybody watching Vickday Night Football?

Way past ready for this story to go away.
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True dat, I wish these guys would shut up with the Vick stuff and announce the game like they were paid to do. It's ridiculous, Vick is all they have talked about.

As to Vicks apology speech today, I mostly thought it was sincere. Vick is losing millions of dollars and will most likely spend a year in jail. He's been brought down from his arrogant attitude a few weeks ago of "the whole world loves Michael Vick". You'd have to be a fool to not be sincerely sorry you brought all that stuff down on your head and all those who had trusted you and looked up to you, even Michael Vick. But that doesn't mean I want him back in a Falcon uniform.
 
Um... yeah... okay Mike.

Funny how the only time anyone regrets making the wrong decision is when they get caught doing it. Funny how everyone "finds Jesus" when they get busted screwing up.

A mistake is something that you do on the spur of the moment in poor judgement. A mistake is mixing white and colors in your washing machine.
Being involved in dog fighting for a number of years, financing it, gambling on it and killing the non-hackers is not a mistake. Dog fighting, rooster fights, the whole deal seems so third world and have a complete lack of any sort of civility to it. To me it's something you see on National Geographic.

Anyone who can sit there a seriously say it's not a big deal or accept his "apology" as his real feelings could possibly be a bigger ***** than Vick.

All I can say is have fun in the Federal Pen Mikey, go **** yer'self.
 
Txn_in_NC said:
Um... yeah... okay Mike.

Funny how the only time anyone regrets making the wrong decision is when they get caught doing it. Funny how everyone "finds Jesus" when they get busted screwing up.
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Yea, Mike is "going to turn his life over to God."

Ironic, since of course, God is "Dog" spelled backwards....
 
Koolaid Time said:
Joey Harrington looked good at times. But I still think the Falcons are 4-12.
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Ahh, come on. Harrington won 6 games with the worst team in football, he should at least be good for nine this year with the new offense.

But here's the thing I like about Vick being gone, it's now a team effort again, the focus will be on the Falcons not Michael Vick. Football is a team sport it shouldn't be all about the Quaterback. Yes Vick was exciting to watch and filled up the bleachers and that's ok as long as the whole team is performing. Doesn't do much for me if they aren't winning. Look at San Fran Sissy and the Barry Bonds thing, the team sucks but everybody goes to see bonds.

The only way the Falcons could have become a winning team with Vick would have been to put him at Wide Receiver or let him carry the ball. Vick can't read defenses and he can't see over the big DL guys, all he can do is scramble around and set himself up for the run. Good defenses can shut him down and did so with regularity. And he's not a good decision maker or play caller. Vick has one tool, his speed and that's it. He's not a complete quarterback like an Elway or Montana. I never liked all the attention being on one guy, now maybe we can get back to real football and put the focus on the team which personally I think will in a couple of years be back in contention for a conference title and who knows, maybe even a Superbowl contender. It may not be with Harrington but with someone, we'll see.
 
Red_Zone said:
True dat, I wish these guys would shut up with the Vick stuff and announce the game like they were paid to do. It's ridiculous, Vick is all they have talked about.

As to Vicks apology speech today, I mostly thought it was sincere. Vick is losing millions of dollars and will most likely spend a year in jail. He's been brought down from his arrogant attitude a few weeks ago of "the whole world loves Michael Vick". You'd have to be a fool to not be sincerely sorry you brought all that stuff down on your head and all those who had trusted you and looked up to you, even Michael Vick. But that doesn't mean I want him back in a Falcon uniform.
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Here's my ONLY post on this matter. Firstly, I turned MNF off because they quit showing the game and showed their law analyst instead, I counted to 5, they had not returned to the game, so "click."

Secondly, his speech was a complete piece of heartless dog doo fueled by a PR machine. Next time you watch it, ask, "Mike, WHAT are you sorry for?" after everything he says. Then you'll realize he said a whole bunch of nothing.
 
Red_Zone said:
Ahh, come on. Harrington won 6 games with the worst team in football, he should at least be good for nine this year with the new offense.

But here's the thing I like about Vick being gone, it's now a team effort again, the focus will be on the Falcons not Michael Vick. Football is a team sport it shouldn't be all about the Quaterback. Yes Vick was exciting to watch and filled up the bleachers and that's ok as long as the whole team is performing. Doesn't do much for me if they aren't winning. Look at San Fran Sissy and the Barry Bonds thing, the team sucks but everybody goes to see bonds.

The only way the Falcons could have become a winning team with Vick would have been to put him at Wide Receiver or let him carry the ball. Vick can't read defenses and he can't see over the big DL guys, all he can do is scramble around and set himself up for the run. Good defenses can shut him down and did so with regularity. And he's not a good decision maker or play caller. Vick has one tool, his speed and that's it. He's not a complete quarterback like an Elway or Montana. I never liked all the attention being on one guy, now maybe we can get back to real football and put the focus on the team which personally I think will in a couple of years be back in contention for a conference title and who knows, maybe even a Superbowl contender. It may not be with Harrington but with someone, we'll see.
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absolutely stupid and untrue. Vick took his team to the NFC Championship, one game short of the super bowl. Thats as far as drew brees has managed. its farther then the cowboys have gotten in a decade or so.
 
swtbound07 said:
absolutely stupid and untrue. Vick took his team to the NFC Championship, one game short of the super bowl. Thats as far as drew brees has managed. its farther then the cowboys have gotten in a decade or so.
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That is so yesteryear. this league is what have you done lately. Teams started putting 8 or 9 in the box, he was not able to do what he was doing and thus sucking it up pretty bad. If you can not throw down the field accurately the league will figure you out and you will not accomplish jack crap, ala the falcons.
 
Specnatz said:
That is so yesteryear. this league is what have you done lately. Teams started putting 8 or 9 in the box, he was not able to do what he was doing and thus sucking it up pretty bad. If you can not throw down the field accurately the league will figure you out and you will not accomplish jack crap, ala the falcons.
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he accomplished more than most have in their entire careers. To say that the falcons can't have seasonal, and post seasonal success with him when they clearly already have is insane.
 
Red_Zone said:
Ahh, come on. Harrington won 6 games with the worst team in football, he should at least be good for nine this year with the new offense.
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Tell you what.. if they use that 5 wide-out set with an empty backfield very often in the Regular Season....they better have the phone numbers of a couple of Free Agent QB's on their Speed Dial... because if they lose Joey they will be lucky to win 1 game afterwards..
 
The ESPN Spin Machine is nauseating. Imagine what the network could do for Pacman or Chris henry if they treated them the same way they are treating vick. it's a joke.
 
swtbound07 said:
he accomplished more than most have in their entire careers. To say that the falcons can't have seasonal, and post seasonal success with him when they clearly already have is insane.
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Number one draft pick, highest paid QB in NFL and he takes his team to 7 wins in his fifth year, big whoop. Not even 500 ball. Take away his rushing yards and his numbers are identical to Harringtons. Not to mention he's totally without class (flipping off the fans) or that he was a thug. Good riddance. I was a fan the first two years, but he lost me a long time ago. And can you imagine what kind of person you have to be to torture dogs like that and kill them?
 
I read Texans_Chick's fanhouse blog http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007...of-the-governors-cup-texans-are-champions-of/ (need to know how yall make it a link with a pharse) and followed it to other links and read this ...


Mikes new position
Probably gonna be Doggy-style.

I think people should have to earn a Superman tattoo, by getting shot in the chest first. You know, just to make sure.

by txnpwrlifter on Sun Aug 26, 2007 at 10:34:48 AM EDT
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I thought it was funny so I thought I would share.
 
Red_Zone said:
Number one draft pick, highest paid QB in NFL and he takes his team to 7 wins in his fifth year, big whoop. Not even 500 ball. Take away his rushing yards and his numbers are identical to Harringtons. Not to mention he's totally without class (flipping off the fans) or that he was a thug. Good riddance. I was a fan the first two years, but he lost me a long time ago. And can you imagine what kind of person you have to be to torture dogs like that and kill them?
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wait a second..i thought we were debating the player. You went back to the off the field crap. I was pointing out that your perception of him as a player is inaccurate. Sure, if you take away the stats and abilities that don't agree with your point, he's similar to somebody else. He can lead his team to the NFC championship. he's done it before. How many years was manning in the league before he won a title? Exactly.
 
It's not over yet!

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/14161097/detail.html

CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. -- Evidence found at a slain man’s home in Catawba County may link him to a dog-fighting ring that led to charges against infamous NFL player Michael Vick.

Catawba County Sheriff David Huffman confirmed for Eyewitness News that Bud Melton kept meticulous records on the dogs found at his mobile home, and some of the names of those dogs match names in paperwork for Bad Newz Kennels – the interstate dog-fighting and breeding operation connected to Vick.

Melton was found shot to death inside his Little Mountain Road home in April. Thirty pit bulls, many showing signs they had been used for fighting, were behind the home and had to be put down.

Catawba County investigators are looking into possible connections between dogs Melton owned and dogs owned by Bad Newz Kennels. Huffman said right now there is no evidence of a direct connection, but there is a strong possibility.

Other evidence connecting Melton to dog fighting includes video tapes and treadmills investigators believe were used to train dogs for fighting.

Huffman said Vick was not on any tapes, but when Eyewitness News asked if the Bad Newz Kennels was involved in the tapes, he said, “I can’t answer that.”
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From what it sounds like Vick and Co. may not have had that much involved in the murder, but it also sounds like there may now be even more evidence against Vick and Co.
 
County Prosecutor dog piling today:

"Yes, I'm presenting matters to the grand jury that involve dogfighting at 1915 Moonlight Road," Surry County Commonwealth Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday night.

Moonlight Road is the address of the two-story home on 15 mostly undeveloped acres that has been host to "Bad Newz Kennels" since 2001. It's where dozens of pit bulls were found in April, and where they were trained, fought and brutally executed.

"Most of the matters that I'm presenting have already been admitted in sworn statements authored by the defendants in the federal proceedings," Poindexter said.

Poindexter couldn't detail the exact indictments he will pursue, but said the local investigation and the federal investigation largely focused on different crimes.

"The killing of dogs is one of those statutory prohibitions. Dogfighting is a crime, the mistreatment of animals is a crime, so you could take your pick, or take them all," Poindexter said before cutting the conversation short. "I don't have anything else to say about it. I'm through with it. Hopefully it's coming to an end."
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Poindexter is a total moron. This sounds more like I do not want to do anything and now that the feds have done something he wants it to look like he did something to the voters. If the people of surry county re-elect him it shows how ignorant they are as well.
 
I grew up in Southern VA and must admit to following the Vick debacle with morbid fascination. Poindexter makes VA look so bad, he is an embarassment to the VA law community. First, he refuses to take action and stalls to the point where the Feds step in. Then he pulls this to try and redeem himself. I don't think he is fooling anyone but himself. Hopefully, he will be voted out of office next election.
 
Specnatz said:
Poindexter is a total moron. This sounds more like I do not want to do anything and now that the feds have done something he wants it to look like he did something to the voters. If the people of surry county re-elect him it shows how ignorant they are as well.
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It's more like this is probably the easiest case he will ever have before him and would be dumb not to take it. Vick already admitted to dogfighting, killing dogs, and gambling in a signed summary of facts. This case should take somewhere between 15-30 minutes if it even goes to trial.
 
State indictment official:

Vick was convicted of a federal conspiracy count while the state indictment deals with the act of dog fighting, said Steven Benjamin, a Richmond defense lawyer who is not involved in the case. The prosecution will argue that's enough of a difference to allow the charges to proceed, he said.

Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter had told The Associated Press on Monday night that he would seek indictments on different crimes than the ones Vick admitted to in federal court. He did not elaborate to reporters outside court Tuesday.
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tulexan said:
It's more like this is probably the easiest case he will ever have before him and would be dumb not to take it. Vick already admitted to dogfighting, killing dogs, and gambling in a signed summary of facts. This case should take somewhere between 15-30 minutes if it even goes to trial.
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You would think so wouldn't you. However, somehow, someway Poindexter managed this

"The grand jury declined to indict the 27-year-old Vick and two co-defendants on eight additional counts of killing or causing to be killed a companion animal, felonies that would have exposed them to as many as 40 years in prison if convicted."

Makes you wonder.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
You would think so wouldn't you. However, somehow, someway Poindexter managed this

"The grand jury declined to indict the 27-year-old Vick and two co-defendants on eight additional counts of killing or causing to be killed a companion animal, felonies that would have exposed them to as many as 40 years in prison if convicted."

Makes you wonder.
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A bit misleading don't you think?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3035692
After a Surry County grand jury indicted the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and three co-defendants Tuesday, Vick's lawyers indicated they will fight the state charges on the grounds that he can't be convicted twice of the same crime.

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The grand jury declined to indict the 27-year-old Vick and two co-defendants on eight additional counts of killing or causing to be killed a companion animal, felonies that would have exposed them to as many as 40 years in prison if convicted.
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Hoth-Boy said:
A bit misleading don't you think?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3035692
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What's misleading? Pointdexter delegates all responsibility and knowledge of the biggest or at least highest profile case of his career to such a degree that he can't even answer whether Vick's federal court confession was presented to the grand jury and there is nothing fishy going on? Like the local defense attorney said--something is whack when a grand jury won't indict with a confession--well unless they didn't see it.

ESPN's legal analyst has fallen off his rocker and banged his head. Double jeopardy has zero application to this indictment--it only bars prosecution twice for the same crime. The feds indicted him for raising dogs for interstate dog fighting and conspiracy to do the same. The Virginia charges were sought for promoting dog fighting, dog fighting and animal cruelty--killing the dogs. Remember the Rodney King cops being acquitted in state court and then convicted in federal court?
 
infantrycak said:
What's misleading? Pointdexter delegates all responsibility and knowledge of the biggest or at least highest profile case of his career to such a degree that he can't even answer whether Vick's federal court confession was presented to the grand jury and there is nothing fishy going on? Like the local defense attorney said--something is whack when a grand jury won't indict with a confession--well unless they didn't see it.

ESPN's legal analyst has fallen off his rocker and banged his head. Double jeopardy has zero application to this indictment--it only bars prosecution twice for the same crime. The feds indicted him for raising dogs for interstate dog fighting and conspiracy to do the same. The Virginia charges were sought for promoting dog fighting, dog fighting and animal cruelty--killing the dogs. Remember the Rodney King cops being acquitted in state court and then convicted in federal court?
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I meant that the quote given by GlassHalfFall would lead one to believe that Vick was not being brought up on any charges, that's all.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I meant that the quote given by GlassHalfFall would lead one to believe that Vick was not being brought up on any charges, that's all.
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Aaah.

Man the end to the Vick Town Hall meeting was sad. Hard to tell the overwhelming cause, Vick love, devaluing dogs or racial allegiance (reality of course being a combination of all of the those), but it seemed like at least two thirds of the crowd was in favor of dog fighting being either legal or not a felony.
 
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