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New Quick top 10 mock

thunderkyss said:
Ok.... understandable. But, If there is an equally talented LT available, and you already have ChampBailey, and MarcusMcneil, but you need a LB who'll be taken in the next three or four picks, would taking that LB be a need pick?? or BPA in an area of need?? or would that be a reasonable choice for that team to make??
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IMO at the top of the 1st there is a plus or minus 3 ranking for what really is BPA which you can address need within as a generalization. As the draft continues, the plus or minus broadens. Cap implications can narrow things as well. BPA may be a kicker at #3 but you ain't paying $45 mil for a kicker.
 
infantrycak said:
Well we'll just have to disagree on Spencer. IMO you get stuck on opinions pre-draft and keep them for years after the fact as if the real performance in the NFL isn't more important. In any event, the taking stud LT's high theory has worked extremely poorly during the Texans' era.


2006
Ferguson--too early by far to tell but has given up 5 sacks so far.
2005--no top 10 guys but
Jamaal Brown--RT for a year
Alex Barron--RT
2004
Robert Gallery--decent at RT, flop so far at LT
2003
Jordon Gross--RT for 1 year, LT flop, back to RT now at LT by injury
2002
Mike William--bust

I know, I know--but this year _____ is sure fire.
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I feel a lot more comfortible wading in this year than in any of the previous five years. All you can do is wait till the odds our in your favor and bite the bullet. I see no Marnovich's(SP, bloated steroid tackle GB took #1) this year with the top three and Beerlovers maybe he'll come out. None of those guys on your list lit my fire. Gallery was way to expensive to move up and go get. We got a tree this year full of good apples. Where I think they'll be drafting, all they need to do is pick the one they like the best. that holds more appeal for me than a DB we can maybe get second or third, or the All Day running back who in MHO dosen't fit the scheme. They may draft All Day. Just seems like a mistake to me. Lots of sophmores and juniors who've impressed me more....for our shceme. Can they hold their water ? We'll see the end of April.
 
TexansSeminole said:
That's because teams double him everygame. The Miami passing game consists of Wes Welker running routes out of the slot and Marty Booker getting open occassionally to drop the ball 25% of the time. Oh, and don't forget about those dump offs to Ronnie Brown.

I go to FSU and most of the people here are Dolphins fans and every single one I have talked to either says you all need a QB or a WR. Half of the people that say you need a WR say that it is because Chambers gets doubled...I just assume the other half doesn't notice it or didn't mention it.

Personally I could see you guys going for some OL, after taking a chance at a receiver in the high rounds.
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i shouldn't bother with this again. chambers doesn't get doubled. he's not good enough for that. why would you double up a guy who is extremely inconsistent, runs poor routes, doesn't fight for the ball ever and has trouble even getting off the line at times. he's brandon lloyd at best. he'll make a spectacular catch in the back of the endzone or on the sidelines, but he'll drop everything else. i think the steelers doubled him up, but ever since then, he's had it easy.
 
kastofsna said:
i shouldn't bother with this again. chambers doesn't get doubled. he's not good enough for that. why would you double up a guy who is extremely inconsistent, runs poor routes, doesn't fight for the ball ever and has trouble even getting off the line at times. he's brandon lloyd at best. he'll make a spectacular catch in the back of the endzone or on the sidelines, but he'll drop everything else. i think the steelers doubled him up, but ever since then, he's had it easy.
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Brandon Lloyd at best? Sorry but Chambers is much better, Lloyd just sucks.
 
latest top 10:

1: Arizona - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin.
2: Miami - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech.
3: Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame.
4: Oakland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.
5: San Francisco - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan.
6: Tennessee - Daymeion Hughes, CB, Cal.
7: Cleveland - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal.
8: Houston - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan.
9: Tampa Bay - LaRon Landry, S, LSU.
10: Buffalo - Jared Gaither, T, Maryland.
 
kastofsna said:
both suck and are way overrated because of their occasional highlight catches. they're both soft as hell.
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Agreed for the most part. I'd still say Chambers is much better though, at least he runs over the middle and doesn't shy away from contact like Brandon "Alligator Arms" Lloyd.
 
kastofsna said:
latest top 10:

1: Arizona - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin.
2: Miami - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech.
3: Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame.
4: Oakland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.
5: San Francisco - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan.
6: Tennessee - Daymeion Hughes, CB, Cal.
7: Cleveland - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal.
8: Houston - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan.
9: Tampa Bay - LaRon Landry, S, LSU.
10: Buffalo - Jared Gaither, T, Maryland.
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That's looks like a good top 10 to me, although mine would be a bit different. I would love to get Leon Hall at #8 because I would think he would go in the top 7. Do you really think Daymeion Hughes should go this high? I haven't seen him play yet.
 
TexansSeminole said:
That's looks like a good top 10 to me, although mine would be a bit different. I would love to get Leon Hall at #8 because I would think he would go in the top 7. Do you really think Daymeion Hughes should go this high? I haven't seen him play yet.
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Dont judge him until you see him.

He is a ballhawk at CB.

I really dislike Cal guys but I am actually pretty high on him.

He gets at least 7 INT this year I think.
 
kastofsna said:
latest top 10:

1: Arizona - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin.
2: Miami - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech.
3: Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame.
4: Oakland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.
5: San Francisco - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan.
6: Tennessee - Daymeion Hughes, CB, Cal.
7: Cleveland - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal.
8: Houston - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan.
9: Tampa Bay - LaRon Landry, S, LSU.
10: Buffalo - Jared Gaither, T, Maryland.
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It's a solid in-season mock, but if things were to end like they are today...Joe Thomas is not good enough to go #1 overall. Arizona would probally trade down. I am very against a Michigan D-lineman being taken in the first round let alone the top 10. They just have no work ethic and that has never changed. Landry is not a top 10 player either.
 
kastofsna said:
latest top 10:

1: Arizona - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin.
2: Miami - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech.
3: Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame.
4: Oakland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.
5: San Francisco - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan.
6: Tennessee - Daymeion Hughes, CB, Cal.
7: Cleveland - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal.
8: Houston - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan.
9: Tampa Bay - LaRon Landry, S, LSU.
10: Buffalo - Jared Gaither, T, Maryland.
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Not bad, but I have two questions.

First (and you being Fins fan would know more than me) with the play of Culpepper and Harrington, won't Miami consider Quinn at 2, considering that they are already solid at WR. Or even an O-linemen Gaither from Maryland or Brown from Penn State) due to the number of sacks this year.

Second, some places have McCauley CB from Fresno State rated higher than Hall. I like the fact that he is taller and faster than Hall, but can't replace Hall's big game experience. Could see the Texans taking either of them.
 
V Man said:
First (and you being Fins fan would know more than me) with the play of Culpepper and Harrington, won't Miami consider Quinn at 2, considering that they are already solid at WR. Or even an O-linemen Gaither from Maryland or Brown from Penn State) due to the number of sacks this year.

Second, some places have McCauley CB from Fresno State rated higher than Hall. I like the fact that he is taller and faster than Hall, but can't replace Hall's big game experience. Could see the Texans taking either of them.
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it's a BPA situation. and our receiving corps is far from solid. chambers is soft and overrated, and booker and welker could possibly be gone after this year. that leaves us with chambers and derek hagan, who has been a fine rookie so far, but he has a bad case of the drops. culpepper is in it for the long haul, and with CJ being the best player in the draft, it'd be a steal to get him at #2.

mccauley is certainly the most talented CB in this draft, but man he has been NOTHING this year. he's had some flat-out BAD games. hall's stock keeps rising each week. he's got shutdown written all over him. although i like daymeion hughes better.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Joe Thomas is not good enough to go #1 overall. Arizona would probally trade down. I am very against a Michigan D-lineman being taken in the first round let alone the top 10. They just have no work ethic and that has never changed. Landry is not a top 10 player either.
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i'm not dealing with trades, and joe thomas IS good enough to go #1 overall. no doubt about it.

branch has been excellent, and a school having a history of busts at a position hasn't stopped anyone before, so the niners need a NT, and branch is the best available.

landry is definitely a top 10 player.
 
I say we get a good offensive tackle, preferably Joe Thomas, and then wait till the second round and pickup tom zbikowski for safety out of notre dame. Zbikowski could be just as big as a steal as demeco ryans was for this year.

If this happend I would be sooo very happy and I believe we would then have a complete team. In the 3rd through 7th rounds, draft a corner, some interior offensive linemen and maybe another linebacker to add some young depth.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
I say we get a good offensive tackle, preferably Joe Thomas, and then wait till the second round and pickup tom zbikowski for safety out of notre dame. Zbikowski could be just as big as a steal as demeco ryans was for this year.

If this happend I would be sooo very happy and I believe we would then have a complete team. In the 3rd through 7th rounds, draft a corner, some interior offensive linemen and maybe another linebacker to add some young depth.
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I dont know why you would want Zbikowski on your team. I wouldnt even draft him in the 2nd round.

He is a good punt returner. He has very decent speed for a S.

But he has slow play recognition & even with his speed he gets beat A LOT on pass plays, even by TEs.
 
bah007 said:
I dont know why you would want Zbikowski on your team. I wouldnt even draft him in the 2nd round.

He is a good punt returner. He has very decent speed for a S.

But he has slow play recognition & even with his speed he gets beat A LOT on pass plays, even by TEs.
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I don't like how his game translates to the next level what so ever....I wouldn't even say he's a good punt returner...If I were weiss I'd put someone else back there.....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't like how his game translates to the next level what so ever....I wouldn't even say he's a good punt returner...If I were weiss I'd put someone else back there.....
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He is a good college punt returner cuz he just runs everyone over & then burns it down the sideline.

That wont work in the NFL.

My point was that people only notice him cuz he is a good punt returner in college.

And cuz of that whole amateur boxing thing.
 
kastofsna said:
yeah and chambers hasn't ducked any balls thrown his way, either.
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Lloyd sucks.
 
kastofsna said:
i'm not dealing with trades, and joe thomas IS good enough to go #1 overall. no doubt about it.

branch has been excellent, and a school having a history of busts at a position hasn't stopped anyone before, so the niners need a NT, and branch is the best available.

landry is definitely a top 10 player.
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Branch would play DE in the 3-4, not NT.

A NT I really do like though is Amobi Okoye.
 
I dont know where people get that Zbikowskie is not fast. Watch some highlights of the Fiesta Bowl, he caught Ted Ginn from behind.
 
Haha.



What I would ideally want for our first two picks(say we draft 8th, so that gives us the 40th):

8th overall selection: LaRon Landry S LSU (or Leon Hall CB Michigan if he is available).
40th overall selection: Buster Davis LB FSU (Michael Griffin S Texas if we get Leon Hall)
 
TexansSeminole said:
Haha.



What I would ideally want for our first two picks(say we draft 8th, so that gives us the 40th):

8th overall selection: LaRon Landry S LSU (or Leon Hall CB Michigan if he is available).
40th overall selection: Buster Davis LB FSU (Michael Griffin S Texas if we get Leon Hall)
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I agree with your 1st rd. pick,but in Rd. 2 I would take Paul Puslusny or Pat Willis at LB.

Penn State senior MLB Paul Posluszny recorded a season-high 13 tackles vs. Illinois last week, in addition to forcing a fumble that was returned for a TD, and he has begun to look more natural playing on the knee he injured at the end of last season and more comfortable playing inside. Although NFL scouts have been very critical of his performance early this year, he has the ability to start in the NFL and should be able to contribute fairly readily. And his intangibles, work ethic and desire will very likely position him in the first round.www.profootballweekly.com
 
whiskeyrbl said:
I agree with your 1st rd. pick,but in Rd. 2 I would take Paul Puslusny or Pat Willis at LB.
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OK I agree with you that I am not sold on Buster Davis, but I am hoping a Posz and/or Willis are available at #40. Last ranking I saw had both as solid middle of the round 1st round picks. Posz has dropped from a top 10 pick but he has not fallen to a 2nd rounder just yet.

All that said every year someone drops unexpectedly and if one of those does drop I would jump all over them at 40. Posz does have a knee that has 2partial tears so it could happen.
 
whiskeyrbl said:
I agree with your 1st rd. pick,but in Rd. 2 I would take Paul Puslusny or Pat Willis at LB.

Penn State senior MLB Paul Posluszny recorded a season-high 13 tackles vs. Illinois last week, in addition to forcing a fumble that was returned for a TD, and he has begun to look more natural playing on the knee he injured at the end of last season and more comfortable playing inside. Although NFL scouts have been very critical of his performance early this year, he has the ability to start in the NFL and should be able to contribute fairly readily. And his intangibles, work ethic and desire will very likely position him in the first round.www.profootballweekly.com
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Posluszny was a top 15 ranked player last year for the draft...despite the fact that it looks like he has dropped this year, he hasn't, and he will def go in the first round. Pat Willis looks like he is going to go in the 1st as well...though I would rather have Buster Davis anyway.

P.S. Griffin has 85 tackles on the season now.
 
anyone catch the boise state/fresno state game last night? boy, Marcus McCauley SUCKS. move him to safety. he's hopeless on a WR.
 
kastofsna said:
anyone catch the boise state/fresno state game last night? boy, Marcus McCauley SUCKS. move him to safety. he's hopeless on a WR.
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I dont think he sucks but he came into this season being seriously considered as one of the top CB prospects & has severly disappointed.

The entire Fresno St team is a disaster.
 
bah007 said:
My early opinion:

1. Oakland- Calvin Johnson-WR, Georgia Tech
2. Detroit- Brian Brohm-QB, Lousiville (maybe a reach at #2, but I like him better than Quinn)
3. Miami- Brady Quinn-QB, Notre Dame (they could use one of the safeties, but I couldnt see Quinn falling all the way to Green Bay)
4. Arizona- Joe Thomas-OT, Wisconsin
5. Cleveland- Adrian Peterson-HB, Oklahoma
6. Tennessee- Daymeion Hughes-CB, California
7. San Francisco- LaRon Landry-S, LSU
8. Buffalo- Jared Gaither-OT, Maryland
9. Houston- Michael Griffin-S, Texas (maybe a little early for him, but he could be the next Roy Williams,but a liability in pass coverage)
10. Green Bay- Marshawn Lynch-HB, California

I also like Gaines Adams-DE, Clemson:
but I couldnt find out where he would go in that draft order
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That would be a terrible reach for Houston. Griffin is likely a very late 1st rounder or 2nd rounder. I would take Leon Hall CB from Michigan there.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
That would be a terrible reach for Houston. Griffin is likely a very late 1st rounder or 2nd rounder. I would take Leon Hall CB from Michigan there.
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I dont think that the #2 safety (some people wouldnt say so but most would) is a terrible reach at that draft position.

If you actually read my mock it says in there that #9 might be a little bit early for him.

Not much tho, considering most people have him going mid-first.
 
bah007 said:
No he isnt a liability in pass coverage but he bites on play action way too hard which leads to him getting beat deep.
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How many times have you seen him bite on a fake? I've honestly seen him been beat off play action twice in his career. I'm sure it is more but everyone gets beat sometimes. I think Landry is a bit better in pass coverage than Griffin, but Griffin is better in run support and short pass plays to come up and make the tackle. Not to say that they aren't both good at pass coverage and run support.
 
TexansSeminole said:
How many times have you seen him bite on a fake? I've honestly seen him been beat off play action twice in his career. I'm sure it is more but everyone gets beat sometimes. I think Landry is a bit better in pass coverage than Griffin, but Griffin is better in run support and short pass plays to come up and make the tackle. Not to say that they aren't both good at pass coverage and run support.
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Griffin bites on every single play action pass. First, his main job is run support so it isnt that big of a problem. Second, he has the speed to make up ground.

I take it that you dont watch all the Texas games like I do. If you do, then you are like 99% of all fans and you watch the offense from the snap.

Thats no big deal. That is what people pay to see.

But when I played football I played DB. And when I watch football I watch the DBs, not the QB or the RB. Thats just how I like to watch.
 
Notice I didnt say that he gets BEAT on play action.

I said he bites.

That just means that he loses a couple of steps to the guy he is covering. It doesnt necessarily mean that he gets beat for a TD (which, as you said, has only happened a few times in his career)
 
bah007 said:
Notice I didnt say that he gets BEAT on play action.

I said he bites.

That just means that he loses a couple of steps to the guy he is covering. It doesnt necessarily mean that he gets beat for a TD (which, as you said, has only happened a few times in his career)
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I don't watch all the games, no, that's why I asked you how many times you have seen him bite.

I also like to watch DBs cause I played CB in highschool, but from what I have seen, probably 10 of the last 2 seasons, he hasn't bit much.
 
bah007 said:
No he isnt a liability in pass coverage but he bites on play action way too hard which leads to him getting beat deep.
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bah007 said:
Notice I didnt say that he gets BEAT on play action.

I said he bites.
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I'm confused?

Regardless, I don't really agree. I watch every single Texas game too and I have rarely seen Griffin beat deep. He's always flying all over the field making plays and, if anything covering up for others getting BEAT deep.
 
AustinJB said:
I'm confused?

Regardless, I don't really agree. I watch every single Texas game too and I have rarely seen Griffin beat deep. He's always flying all over the field making plays and, if anything covering up for others getting BEAT deep.
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Thats not really true. Griffin has the speed to cover the deep routes, but he doesn't do it very well. All this talk about him being better than Michael Huff? Please. Griffin wasn't the best DB from UT last year, and what do you know, he's still not the best DB from UT this year either.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Thats not really true. Griffin has the speed to cover the deep routes, but he doesn't do it very well. All this talk about him being better than Michael Huff? Please. Griffin wasn't the best DB from UT last year, and what do you know, he's still not the best DB from UT this year either.
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I don't know what you're seeing. What makes you say he doesn't cover the deep routes well? How many deep touchdown passes has he given up? What is your validation for these statements? He is the one that made the big pick in the RB on a deep pass and tapped down his toes before he went out of bounds. I know this is only one example, but it's not the only time that he's made big plays while in coverage.

As far as Griffin and Huff....stats don't always show the full story, but Griffin was the leading tackler last year and (arguably) had the best overall stats of the two.
 
AustinJB said:
I'm confused?

Regardless, I don't really agree. I watch every single Texas game too and I have rarely seen Griffin beat deep. He's always flying all over the field making plays and, if anything covering up for others getting BEAT deep.
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What I meant to say is the following:

Griffin rarely gets beat deep. But he bites on play action hard which causes him to lose some steps to the guy he is covering.

He has great speed & is usually able to catch up to his guy but on occasion he doesnt.

With some good recognition coaching he will become more instinctive & will be able to recognize the difference between play action & an actual run.
 
bah007 said:
I dont think that the #2 safety (some people wouldnt say so but most would) is a terrible reach at that draft position.

If you actually read my mock it says in there that #9 might be a little bit early for him.

Not much tho, considering most people have him going mid-first.
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Most people have him in the later part of the 1st round 20-25 range and since we will likely be picking top 10 that is a reach. That being said it is still early as the college season is not over and everything changes after Allstar games and the combine. And given the choice Leon Hall looks like a better pick there.
 
What year is Troy Smith (from Ohio State) in, and if goes to the draft were does he go, anybody. I am in no way saying Houston should draft him I do not see Houston drafting a QB at all well I would not mind Kolb from UH if we could get him late he could be good if he sits a year anyway I like Carr please do not start cutting on me I just think he will be alright come next year and if you sign someone like Kolb in the late round and let Kubes mold him into the QB he wants while he sits than who knows he could replace Carr if he plays like he did last week.
 
Roughnecks said:
What year is Troy Smith (from Ohio State) in, and if goes to the draft were does he go, anybody. I am in no way saying Houston should draft him I do not see Houston drafting a QB at all well I would not mind Kolb from UH if we could get him late he could be good if he sits a year anyway I like Carr please do not start cutting on me I just think he will be alright come next year and if you sign someone like Kolb in the late round and let Kubes mold him into the QB he wants while he sits than who knows he could replace Carr if he plays like he did last week.
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Smith is probally looking at a solid 2nd round grade right now IMO.
 
i can't see how any team would think of smith as anything lower than a low first-rounder. i'm sure most see him as a mid-first rounder.
 
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