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Week 10: Detroit Lions @ Houston Texans (Sunday Night Football and Battle Red Game)

Who you think winning?

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TexCanada said:
Stroud for sure deserved some blame, if he hits Dell wide open in the endzone that game may have been out of reach.

He isn’t the main problem though. Mixon ran 25 times, with 1.8 YPC. How do we keep going back to that? He caught the ball twice, and got 44 yards. How do we not go back to that more often?

It is tough sledding out there when your top two WRs are out and the line is struggling, but you don’t need to be an offensive genius to see what was working vs what wasn’t.
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I agree. While CJ may have some challenges, he isn’t the primary issue here. In my view, the sequence goes: Slowik, the offensive line, injuries, and then CJ.

I recognize CJ’s potential and past performance. Now it’s a matter of seeing how he responds to adversity.

It’s also worth noting that Slowik served as offensive coordinator last season, a time when CJ and the offense were practically unstoppable. Whether Slowik’s approach has shifted or if the problem lies elsewhere remains unclear, but there’s a troubling pattern emerging. The Texans’ offense consistently underperforms in the second half, suggesting they slip into a complacent mindset after halftime. There’s definitely something off.
 
JCTexan said:
We had a 16 point lead to start the 2nd half and Stroud immediately comes out and throws an interception. He had a wide open Tank Dell for an easy TD that would have sealed the game. Instead he threw a lame interception pass that helped get Detroit back in this game. This team wins without Stroud missing those two plays. How on earth does he not deserve some of the blame for this loss?
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Should've been a 28 point lead..

He came out and threw a pick in the flat (speaking of which how many throws did our OC call at or around the LOS or behind it?.. When you're OC is constantly shitting every bed Mattress Mack has in inventory you feel pressed to make plays. Go look up our 1st downs.. Now go look up how many of them came on unnecessary 3rd and longs, because of incompetent drives.

We lost yards on 1st and 2nd down, but let's blame the QB who extended those drives on 3rd downs and allowed us to have this discussion instead of talking about constant 3 & outs and scoring no TDs. Stroud actually bounced back tonight, tough breaks. Sure would've been nice if his OC helped him out.. Goff's OC did, which is why he'll be a head coach next. Stroud's OC waited until week 10 to make changes to the line that should've happened 2 months ago, hopefully Slowik will be unemployed.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Then that means your QB is a loser and isn’t able to battle through adversity.
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Wrong. Throwing ints trying make things happen is what would make our Qb a loser. Slowik not getting his receivers open or his receivers are overrated. Based on the fairly decent offense in the first half of games I would say most of the blame is on Slowik not CJ!
 
Pantherstang84 said:
You have been asked several times in this thread who do you replace Stroud with and you have refused to answer. At this point you’re just being a troll and deserve to be ignored.


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I want to see what the offense looks like with a healthy Nico back in the fold before I start calling for heads. But yes, it does look like Stroud has regressed a bit from last year. Even though that should somewhat be expected since he's missing Nico/Diggs. Still there's no excuse for Stroud throwing that int in the endzone. Dude was wide open.
 
JCTexan said:
It was a 58 yard attempt and the snap was high.
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I thought the hold adjustment was poor which is why I had asked. I’m wondering if it’s time to cut Townsend and sign another Joe Schmoe off the couch. Yea I know he kicked some good ones today but his performance overall… poor.
 
Running the ball on the 2nd down before the 2 minute warning is moron behavior. Why run when you could have threw it because the clock was going to stop anyway? You run for a 58 yard field goal? You serious? Idk if Kenyon Green even gets benched if he doesn’t get hurt. I don’t think Slowik knows what he’s doing. The manner in the way this defense staff coaches and the offense staff coaches is night and day. I don’t expect Demeco to be an offensive genius. He’s kept them in these games but you can’t let this sh** go on the way it’s going. YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. Something has to change. Maybe allowing Cj qb coach to call plays will be a positive for this team.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Hold on, y'all finally wait until CJ shows life to blame CJ for a loss? Yeah he had 2 picks.. Goff had ******* 5!

This game clearly exposed what the real problem is here.
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And the Texans only score 10 points off those 5 picks. And one of the picks CJ threw was a sure TD that they don't get. That's a whole lot of points left on the field.

So CJ is not THE reason the game was lost but he wears some of the blame for sure.

And you can't beat good football teams kicking FGs. You have to score TDs. The Texans failed to do that.

And then the 2nd half woes, man, I just don't know what to say about that. How can a football team be that night and day from half to half? That has to be coaching??? I don't know. Everyone just seems to forget how to football in the 2nd half.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Should've been a 28 point lead..

He came out and threw a pick in the flat (speaking of which how many throws did our OC call at or around the LOS or behind it?.. When you're OC is constantly shitting every bed Mattress Mack has in inventory you feel pressed to make plays. Go look up our 1st downs.. Now go look up how many of them came on unnecessary 3rd and longs, because of incompetent drives.

We lost yards on 1st and 2nd down, but let's blame the QB who extended those drives on 3rd downs and allowed us to have this discussion instead of talking about constant 3 & outs and scoring no TDs. Stroud actually bounced back tonight, tough breaks. Sure would've been nice if his OC helped him out.. Goffs did, which is why he'll be a head coach next year and hopefully Slowik will be unemployed.
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I'm not letting Slowik off the hook. He was shitty and has called terrible games. I'm just saying Stroud deserves some of the blame tonight as well..
 
NitroGSXR said:
I thought the hold adjustment was poor which is why I had asked. I’m wondering if it’s time to cut Townsend and sign another Joe Schmoe off the couch. Yea I know he kicked some good ones today but his performance overall… poor.
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I didn't notice the snap, That for sure makes a difference.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Wrong. Throwing ints trying make things happen is what would make our Qb a loser. Slowik not getting his receivers open or his receivers are overrated. Based on the fairly decent offense in the first half of games I would say most of the blame is on Slowik not CJ!
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You're onto something here about the WR's not being able to get open. It's why I wanted to see a trade for Dionte Johnson at the deadline. That man can beat coverage. With that said, when Nico gets back a WR corps of Nico/Dell/Metchie should be good enough to get the job done. They really need to add another field stretcher next offseason. The field is too condensed with Nico out of the lineup.
 
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what’s going on with him is he’s showing a little panic when rushers bear down on him…especially when he’s out of the pocket & or scrambling to get out of the pocket . He’s gotta learn to either get down or throw the ball away. You saw some of that when he was at OSU. He wants to get rid of the ball, but if he has to hold it for longer than he wants, he’s fairly terrible at ad libing….which is where guys like Mahomes, Jackson and even Allen as of late thrive.

He’s a 2nd year guy so some of this is just growing pains, but those growing pains are also exacerbated by him not having his top 2 guys, mediocre play calling, average at best protection and him just pressing. I’m sure he’s well aware of the offense’s struggles in the 2nd half. Some of his scrambles in that 2nd half were atrocious. Defenses have figured out that if they are able to move him off his spot, his accuracy goes down TREMENDOUSLY That’s what happened on the 1st int in the end zone. He kinda just uncharacteristically lofted the ball up there.
 
DanielTx said:
Running the ball on the 2nd down before the 2 minute warning is moron behavior. Why run when you could have threw it because the clock was going to stop anyway? You run for a 58 yard field goal? You serious? Idk if Kenyon Green even gets benched if he doesn’t get hurt. I don’t think Slowik knows what he’s doing. The manner in the way this defense staff coaches and the offense staff coaches is night and day. I don’t expect Demeco to be an offensive genius. He’s kept them in these games but you can’t let this sh** go on the way it’s going. YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. Something has to change. Maybe allowing Cj qb coach to call plays will be a positive for this team.
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He can’t even hit wide open players in the end zone.
 
steelbtexan said:
You're onto something here about the WR's not being able to get open. It's why I wanted to see a trade for Dionte Johnson at the deadline. That man can beat coverage. With that said, when Nico gets back a WR corps of Nico/Dell/Metchie should be good enough to get the job done. They really need to add another field stretcher next offseason. The field is to condensed with Nico out of the lineup.
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Slowick could really help his receivers by utilizing his TE’s over the middle and at different levels. It would damm sure suck a S into coverage which should help one of the receivers. I don’t understand Slowick’s refusal to incorporate the TE’s in his offense. This is a massive issue.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Slowick could really help his receivers by utilizing his TE’s over the middle and at different levels. It would damm sure suck a S into coverage which should help one of receivers. I don’t understand Slowick’s refusal to incorporate the TE’s in his offense. This is a massive issue.
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Stroud threw to Stover and it was dropped
 
steelbtexan said:
I want to see what the offense looks like with a healthy Nico back in the fold before I start calling for heads. But yes, it does look like Stroud has regressed a bit from last year. Even though that should somewhat be expected since he's missing Nico/Diggs. Still there's no excuse for Stroud throwing that int in the endzone. Dude was wide open.
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I agree, those 2 picks hurt bad. As much as settling for fgs. What I'm looking for from the offense is adjustments. What's concerning to me is the what they're missing offensively. Their limitations speed even with Nico which I thought was a problem. When Gibbs gets the ball, he can hit his head on the goal post. Williams can also. That's why I wanted Wright and Brian Thomas Jr. There are alot of bodies inside the hash marks because they don't have people that can run by people. Running inside all game vs the strength of the lions didn't make sense. People thought Green was the problem, but as I've stated, Mason is a problem also. At the end of the day, CJ has to play alot better.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
He can’t even hit wide open players in the end zone.
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He had the throw short to Dell, but if the play had continued based on what he saw…Dell makes the adjustment and scores the TD. What CJ didn’t see, was the DB coming from out of nowhere at full speed and arriving on the scene at the same time as the ball. CJ was flushed to the right and got the pass off….for me, he should’ve put some mustard on that pass instead of lofting it up like Dell had everyone beat. This play doesn’t suddenly make CJ a horrible QB….just another lesson in his growth.
 
JCTexan said:
I'm not letting Slowik off the hook. He was shitty and has called terrible games. I'm just saying Stroud deserves some of the blame tonight as well..
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He and Dell thought they were wide open and floated it into the end zone, it wasn't a miss throw it was a mistake, he threw the ball where both him and Dell wanted it to go.. young mistakes. They didn't see the defender closing. What I won't excuse is a offensive coordinator who has only engineered 2 second half TDs all season.. Honestly Slowik needs to be hired as a defensive HC, allowing 2 second half TDs all year.. gotta be the best in the league right now.
 
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leebigeztx said:
I agree, those 2 picks hurt bad. As much as settling for fgs. What I'm looking for from the offense is adjustments. What's concerning to me is the what they're missing offensively. Their limitations speed even with Nico which I thought was a problem. When Gibbs gets the ball, he can hit his head on the goal post. Williams can also. That's why I wanted Wright and Brian Thomas Jr. There are alot of bodies inside the hash marks because they don't have people that can run by people. Running inside all game vs the strength of the lions didn't make sense. People thought Green was the problem, but as I've stated, Mason is a problem also. At the end of the day, CJ has to play alot better.
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Still, the difference in protection was night and day and was much better with Kenyon out.

No player is gonna win every individual battle. The other guys on defense get paid too.

All I know is It was somewhat refreshing to see CJ with a clean pocket most of the night and when he didn’t have 1, most times he was able to step up into it to escape pressure; he couldn’t do that when Kenyon was in at guard b/c They were just overpowering and beating him so quick CJ didn’t have a chance to react most times.
 
leebigeztx said:
I agree, those 2 picks hurt bad. As much as settling for fgs. What I'm looking for from the offense is adjustments. What's concerning to me is the what they're missing offensively. Their limitations speed even with Nico which I thought was a problem. When Gibbs gets the ball, he can hit his head on the goal post. Williams can also. That's why I wanted Wright and Brian Thomas Jr. There are a lot of bodies inside the hash marks because they don't have people that can run by people. Running inside all game vs the strength of the lions didn't make sense. People thought Green was the problem, but as I've stated, Mason is a problem also. At the end of the day, CJ has to play a lot better.
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The Lions D stayed inside mostly in regards to stopping the run. As I said, they figured they could get pressure without blitzing and their LB's and secondary could help stop the run. Of course the Lions D-line was solid on their own. They didn't get a whole lot of pressure on CJ but they weren't very concerned about the passing attack in the second half. They continued to keep everything inside and the running game and screen plays were ineffective most of the game. It was up to Slowik to adjust and fix that problem. He didn't so we see what the result was.
 
leebigeztx said:
I agree, those 2 picks hurt bad. As much as settling for fgs. What I'm looking for from the offense is adjustments. What's concerning to me is the what they're missing offensively. Their limitations speed even with Nico which I thought was a problem. When Gibbs gets the ball, he can hit his head on the goal post. Williams can also. That's why I wanted Wright and Brian Thomas Jr. There are alot of bodies inside the hash marks because they don't have people that can run by people. Running inside all game vs the strength of the lions didn't make sense. People thought Green was the problem, but as I've stated, Mason is a problem also. At the end of the day, CJ has to play alot better.
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I dont have a problem with Mixon, he can hit his head on the goalpost too. But if you remember, I wanted Achane 2 yrs ago and Wright also to develop a 1-2 punch. I dont know what RB in next yrs draft fits the bill.

I love Lassiter, but the thought of Collins/Thomas/Dell with Mixon/Wright or Achane is what I was really wanting, because guys that can take it to the house would make Stroud's job so much easier. A WR like Thomas is what this offense is missing. They tried to fill this need with Diggs, after he got hurt I still cant figure out why Caserio/Ryans didn't trade for guys like Dionte Johnson or Mike Williams at the deadline. Those are guys that defenses have to respect. Imagine if Caserio had picked Pickens rather than Metchie.

Mason isn't bad but he's getting older and cant do the job if he has to play every snap.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
The Lions D stayed inside mostly in regards to stopping the run. As I said, they figured they could get pressure without blitzing and their LB's and secondary could help stop the run. Of course the Lions D-line was solid on their own. They didn't get a whole lot of pressure on CJ but they weren't very concerned about the passing attack in the second half. They continued to keep everything inside and the running game and screen plays were ineffective most of the game. It was up to Slowik to adjust and fix that problem. He didn't so we see what the result was.
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Who in the WR corps could loosen up the defense?
 
banned1976 said:
After the Vikings game I wrote that CJ is part of the problem on offense. I began to believe in him again after the Patriots game but after that game he has looked like an average quarterback. It's starting to look like last year was a fluke.
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A sophomore slump was a real possibility. Still imo a big part of his problem this season is that he is hamstrung by poor coaching and overrated receivers. Now with Nico and Diggs out the receivers aren't consistently getting open. It is no fluke that the offense struggles so much in the second half!
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Slowick could really help his receivers by utilizing his TE’s over the middle and at different levels. It would damm sure suck a S into coverage which should help one of the receivers. I don’t understand Slowick’s refusal to incorporate the TE’s in his offense. This is a massive issue.
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He threw a few balls to Schultz and Stover tonight.

Other than Kenyon Green, Schultz has disappointed me more than anybody on the team this yr. It's like he got paid and packed it in.
 
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