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Texans Offensive Line

OptimisticTexan said:
Hopefully Strausser can get Ryans on board with a bigger rotation of Howard and Fisher. Just let Fisher get more game time and see how the right side of the line performs. If he’s progressing, I’d just suck it up and move Howard to the Swing Tackle spot until his contract plays out.
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I don't hate that idea, but I would probably give the Oline a few games to get their communication and techniques worked out. The fact that Laremy Tunsil struggled really points to the fact that their isn't much cohesion between the Oline yet, particularly in the pass game particularly against some of the games and blitzes they saw. The counter to switching out a position, is that you would lose that cohesion by bringing in a new player. I'm not as down on Tytus as most of the other members on this board.

There's also the concept of getting into game shape, and with the very limited preseason time for some of the line I expect to see more energy from Tunsil and Howard as they continue to play.
 
cland said:
I don't hate that idea, but I would probably give the Oline a few games to get their communication and techniques worked out. The fact that Laremy Tunsil struggled really points to the fact that their isn't much cohesion between the Oline yet, particularly in the pass game particularly against some of the games and blitzes they saw. The counter to switching out a position, is that you would lose that cohesion by bringing in a new player. I'm not as down on Tytus as most of the other members on this board.

There's also the concept of getting into game shape, and with the very limited preseason time for some of the line I expect to see more energy from Tunsil and Howard as they continue to play.
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I have my criticisms about the line play on Sunday, but way too early to change things up. This is the first time we've had an O-line play together through camp and the first time that they've played together in a real game. I know it's hard to believe, but this was Scruggs first game at C. You have to think if they're still having the same issues by game 6 or so, they will make a change. I have too much faith in this coaching staff to keep making the same mistakes.
 
chenjy9 said:
When that "quality" left tackle outweighs his talent with penalties (and sack protection), they are no quality and absolutely should be dumped from the roster. Add on to the fact that he has absolutely refused to fix his ways, this will only get worse.
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Who are you replacing him with? I believe that Fisher was drafted to be Tunsil's replacement, but not until 2026. Hopefully, the Texans look hard at drafting heavily on the OL next season. RG & RT are massive areas of need.
 
thunderkyss said:
What if he doesn't?
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Then he’s earning his payday.

He’s being paid like veteran Pro Bowl LT, but he’s playing like a rookie LT getting his first starts and in total awe of the physically imposing DE’s he’s being asked to block.

For some reason….I wouldn’t mind seeing Strausser flip Tunsil to RT and Howard to LT. Howard didn’t do a horrible job when he was asked to play LT during Tunsil’s injury hiatus. I’m sure Tunsil could ride a DE around the pocket from the right side, but going left is his strength….which may help his run game performance and finding the stunt rusher. Mason could benefit as well.

At some point next off season, I’d like to try a tandem of Patterson (RG) and Fisher (RT) on the right side. I got a feeling that their familiarity with one another could pay off by creating a better right side….especially in the run game I would make it a priority to draft a physically imposing LT with a controlled bad demeanor and the ability to crush in the run game. At some point the team needs to prepare for the day they get tired of making “One Trick Tunsil” the highest paid LT in the NFL.
 
I don’t know if anyone else feels this way, but I’m bothered with his play even on plays when he’s not being penalized. It just seems like he’s going thru the motions, like other players do (not all of them) when they get their big payday. He likes to brag that he’s the highest paid LT in the league. To me, the effort doesn’t match the big bucks.
 
JB said:
I don't understand what you think you are missing
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The original tweet was listing each of the 49ers online number and it went past.the first 20. I went on espn to see if I can find the numbers for each of the Texans and am missing the link to each player.
 
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thunderkyss said:
So farthest to the left is good for the tackles. Right?

Higher on the graph is good for the IOL... right?

Doesn't look like we can get much more left. Lots of room for improvement on the vertical. If I'm reading this thing right.
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The chart reads that the Texans allow the 3rd lowest pressure rate from the OTs and 12th lowest at the IOL positions.

Imagine how much better they could be without the pre-snap penalties pushing the offense in long down distances.
 
chenjy9 said:
When that "quality" left tackle outweighs his talent with penalties (and sack protection), they are no quality and absolutely should be dumped from the roster. Add on to the fact that he has absolutely refused to fix his ways, this will only get worse.
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But what you're saying is not true. The penalties do not overcome his skill set. He allowed two penalties in each of the first two games. It was the third game that he allowed six and five were in the first half. That is horrible but no player should be graded on one game's half or we would have to probably clobber Stefon Diggs and Cam Akers and several others including our coaching staff. What we should be looking at in my opinion, is Tunsil only had one penalty second half of that game. From that, it appears he was able to correct his problem. I do not want to go back to two false starts or lining up incorrectly next game.
 
Marcus said:
I don’t know if anyone else feels this way, but I’m bothered with his play even on plays when he’s not being penalized. It just seems like he’s going thru the motions, like other players do (not all of them) when they get their big payday. He likes to brag that he’s the highest paid LT in the league. To me, the effort doesn’t match the big bucks.
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Our players do not get paid for effort but results. How come no one is talking about LT's effort in the playoffs last season?
 
badboy said:
But what you're saying is not true. The penalties do not overcome his skill set. He allowed two penalties in each of the first two games. It was the third game that he allowed six and five were in the first half. That is horrible but no player should be graded on one game's half or we would have to probably clobber Stefon Diggs and Cam Akers and several others including our coaching staff. What we should be looking at in my opinion, is Tunsil only had one penalty second half of that game. From that, it appears he was able to correct his problem. I do not want to go back to two false starts or lining up incorrectly next game.
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I guess we will have to see as the season goes along, especially if the refs continue to be strict about snap timing as well as where folks line up. Tunsil's not getting better, he is definitely not caring more about his penalties or holding himself accountable, and the league might be moving in a direction that does not benefit Tunsil. That's just my opinion on the matter though.
 
chenjy9 said:
I guess we will have to see as the season goes along, especially if the refs continue to be strict about snap timing as well as where folks line up. Tunsil's not getting better, he is definitely not caring more about his penalties or holding himself accountable, and the league might be moving in a direction that does not benefit Tunsil. That's just my opinion on the matter though.
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You keep saying things that are not true. Tunsil got flagged for things he didn't get flagged for games 1 and 2. That doesn't make him right and why I was against him whining in the posted quote. However he went from penalties first half getting better to only one in the second half. If he remains a top five left tackle and that is what he has been identified as regardless of what you and I postulate, he doesn't have to get better.
How do we know he doesnt care?

Let's say he got two penalties for jumping, he got one more for lining up incorrectly. The other three perhaps were because of crowd noise or because of Center snapping the ball differently or Stroud mistake.
We just do not know at this point. As you said if it continues against Jacksonville at a huge rate, action needs to be taken and I think it will. It's difficult to measure how much a person cares in my opinion.
 
badboy said:
You keep saying things that are not true. Tunsil got flagged for things he didn't get flagged for games 1 and 2. That doesn't make him right and why I was against him whining in the posted quote. However he went from penalties first half getting better to only one in the second half. If he remains a top five left tackle and that is what he has been identified as regardless of what you and I postulate, he doesn't have to get better.
How do we know he doesnt care?

Let's say he got two penalties for jumping, he got one more for lining up incorrectly. The other three perhaps were because of crowd noise or because of Center snapping the ball differently or Stroud mistake.
We just do not know at this point. As you said if it continues against Jacksonville at a huge rate, action needs to be taken and I think it will. It's difficult to measure how much a person cares in my opinion.
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I don’t care if he didn’t get flagged for it, I care if he did it or not. That seems to be the difference here.
 
There's no fixing this oline overnight so once again, it is up to CJ to make them look good.
All they have to do is stop killing drives with penalties so he has a chance to throw the damn ball!
 
Texansphan said:
There's no fixing this oline overnight so once again, it is up to CJ to make them look good.
All they have to do is stop killing drives with penalties so he has a chance to throw the damn ball!
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then maybe we shouldn't replace Howard... he's too slow off the snap to get called for false starts and doesn't sustain blocks long enough to be called for holding, so he sounds like the perfect tackle for this plan.
 
Texansphan said:
There's no fixing this oline overnight so once again, it is up to CJ to make them look good.
All they have to do is stop killing drives with penalties so he has a chance to throw the damn ball!
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The positive is that the problems “should” be easily fixed with coaching. Presnap penalties, picking up stunts. Clean that up in practice and this is a good OL.

Now its up to Strausser to get out of the hot seat his OL put him in.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Then he’s earning his payday.

He’s being paid like veteran Pro Bowl LT, but he’s playing like a rookie LT getting his first starts and in total awe of the physically imposing DE’s he’s being asked to block.

For some reason….I wouldn’t mind seeing Strausser flip Tunsil to RT and Howard to LT. Howard didn’t do a horrible job when he was asked to play LT during Tunsil’s injury hiatus. I’m sure Tunsil could ride a DE around the pocket from the right side, but going left is his strength….which may help his run game performance and finding the stunt rusher. Mason could benefit as well.

At some point next off season, I’d like to try a tandem of Patterson (RG) and Fisher (RT) on the right side. I got a feeling that their familiarity with one another could pay off by creating a better right side….especially in the run game I would make it a priority to draft a physically imposing LT with a controlled bad demeanor and the ability to crush in the run game. At some point the team needs to prepare for the day they get tired of making “One Trick Tunsil” the highest paid LT in the NFL.
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Crazy talk

BTW, Tunsil isn't the highest paid LT in the NFL.
 
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Lucky said:
The chart reads that the Texans allow the 3rd lowest pressure rate from the OTs and 12th lowest at the IOL positions.

Imagine how much better they could be without the pre-snap penalties pushing the offense in long down distances.
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Until the Vikes game I dont think there were any pre snap penalties on Tunsil/Howard.
 
chenjy9 said:
I guess we will have to see as the season goes along, especially if the refs continue to be strict about snap timing as well as where folks line up. Tunsil's not getting better, he is definitely not caring more about his penalties or holding himself accountable, and the league might be moving in a direction that does not benefit Tunsil. That's just my opinion on the matter though.
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Yet he improved in the 2nd half last week.
 
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badboy said:
You keep saying things that are not true. Tunsil got flagged for things he didn't get flagged for games 1 and 2. That doesn't make him right and why I was against him whining in the posted quote. However he went from penalties first half getting better to only one in the second half. If he remains a top five left tackle and that is what he has been identified as regardless of what you and I postulate, he doesn't have to get better.
How do we know he doesnt care?

Let's say he got two penalties for jumping, he got one more for lining up incorrectly. The other three perhaps were because of crowd noise or because of Center snapping the ball differently or Stroud mistake.
We just do not know at this point. As you said if it continues against Jacksonville at a huge rate, action needs to be taken and I think it will. It's difficult to measure how much a person cares in my opinion.
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^^^^
This

Seems like he cared enough to be playing basically on one leg in last yrs playoffs.
 
Texansballer74 said:
That’s because ever year someone else gets paid more. That’s the only reason why he’s not the highest paid anymore. But a few years ago he was.

He’s the highest paid Texans player too.
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Yes because our QB, Collins and Sting on rookie deals this year. Our star Edges one also on rookie deal are great contracts.

I'm ok with Tunsil's deal...
So far.
 
Texansballer74 said:
No he’s the third highest paid, JB posted the link above.

Williams 27.5 million a year
Darrisaw 26 million a year
Tunsil 25 million a year
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JB’s link isn’t dated. I’ll post one that has a date and another link for good measure. Both say he’s the 5th highest. Sorry man.

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2024 NFL Salary Rankings

Listing the top salaries, cap hits, cash, earnings, contracts, and bonuses, for all active NFL players.
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The NFL's highest-paid offensive tackles: In-depth look at position's 2024 salary rankings

Tasked with protecting the quarterback against aggressive edge rushers, offensive tackles are among the most important players on the football.
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The Texans (2-1) have moments when the offense is explosive. In Week 1 the Texans had 417 total yards with running back Joe Mixon rushing for a league-high 159 yards during opening week, and quarterback C.J. Stroud threw two touchdowns in the 29-27 win over the Indianapolis Colts.

But since then, things have declined.

Stroud has been sacked 11 times, tying him for fifth most with the Las Vegas Raiders' Gardner Minshew and Jacksonville Jaguars' Trevor Lawrence. He's been pressured on 36% of his dropbacks, the seventh most. He's seen the fourth-most unblocked pressures (10) and three of the sacks against Stroud have been unblocked.

Following the 34-7 loss to the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday, when Stroud was sacked four times, hit eight other times and pressured on 44% of his dropbacks, coach DeMeco Ryans recognized that the Texans "have to get it fixed."

"One of our No. 1 keys to success was protecting our quarterback," Ryans said Sunday. "We didn't do that, and we didn't win the game. Don't want to see your quarterback hit as much as he was hit today."

But the offensive woes go beyond just protecting Stroud as the Texans are 27th in run block win rate (68%).

Since rushing for 213 yards in Week 1, the Texans' 113 rushing yards total over the last two games are the second fewest in the NFL. Mixon exited in Week 2 against the Chicago Bears with an ankle injury (which caused him to miss Week 3), but he was averaging 2.8 yards per carry before he left.


What's further concerning is the Texans haven't been able to run the ball despite facing lighter boxes. Teams are running a high volume of two-high safety shells because teams want to prevent explosive plays from receivers Stefon Diggs, Nico Collins and Tank Dell.

The Texans have seen 112 plays against two or more high safeties, the 11th most, and average 4.9 yards per play (27th).

In the opener they averaged 6.1 yards per carry, but in Weeks 2 and 3, they averaged 2.7. The running backs are averaging -0.1 yards before contact, the worst in that span. Ryans said defenses are calling plays specifically designed to stop their outside runs.

The pass protection has struggled to handle stunts with a four man rush or when they send extra blitzers. Stroud has been sacked five times whenever defenses blitz with five or more defenders (fifth most) and has seen seven pressures unblocked, tied for the sixth most.

"[To improve] we just have to be on the one accord," right guard Shaq Mason told ESPN. "Everybody staying together working as five. Just trust the technique we prepared for it."

This Texans get a chance to get on track Sunday (1 p.m. ET, CBS) against the Jacksonville Jaguars (0-3). The Jags rank 26th in total defense (361 yards per game) and 28th in scoring defense (28 points allowed per game). And according to Stroud, the offense will return to form if everyone does their part.
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Texans looking to protect C.J. Stroud, get run game back on track

The Houston quarterback has been sacked or pressured among the most in the NFL through three weeks.
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