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Diggs to Houston

TheMatrix31 said:
I think so.

But why would someone want off the Bills when Allen is a top 2 or 3 qb and have been perennial contenders for years now.

I don't know. I don't like the guy from what I've observed. I'll afford him the benefit of making it work and it's solely due to Ryans presence.

I do think this helps us focus on other areas in the draft. And that's a good thing.

Hopefully we don't sacrifice Collins to keep Diggs though if it ends up as a "one or the other" situation.
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Gonna be honest I've never bought into the Allen hype. He strikes me as a Romo type QB in that he shows great flashes and keeps making you believe he is top 5 but he never seems to have the win record to back it up. Bills have been contenders sure but you look at their division and it's easy to see why. They play against a Brady-less Pat's, a helpless Jets and a Dolphins team that can't seem to get out it own way.

The key thing though is this is basically a risk less gamble for the Texans. They don't need Diggs because theybhad a solid WR group without him and they didn't even have to give up one of their own picks for him. Like I said before if they cut him the first pre-season game they haven't lost that much and the possible benefits are through the roof.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I agree. Targets weren’t the issue, but the adot was… I am wondering how they will use him here. My concern is he takes Woods’ role and will be unhappy with lack of big play opportunities.

He would do great in that underneath role. He’s one of the best route runners of this era and is a true separator that can get open quickly. But how will he feel when he moves the chains and creates opportunities to allow Tank/Nico to make big plays instead of him?
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Just because guys play in the slot doesn't mean they're playing the slot like Wes Welker running option routes. CD and Kupp play alot in the slot, but they don't play like Edelman. All the underneath chain moving stuff can be left to Schultz and Mixon

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thunderkyss said:
Do you mean before the trade or after?

I'm sure the Texans hadn't talked to Diggs or his people before the trade. It's not allowed.

I believe Nick is as rational as most of us & don't buy what the media is selling. I haven't followed Diggs over the years but the little bit I read recently doesn't look as bad as what they're saying. They were losing a couple of games, he was open a couple of times & his QB threw an incomplete pass to someone else.

Man wants to win & he's passionate about it. We need more people like that on this team. He could have handled those situations better I'm sure it will be addressed when they talk about a new contract.
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You can speak to a player before a trade, you just have to ask permission via the team

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I’m quite taken aback at this trade, this seems very against our previous MO, to be trading for a top player, in his prime, for big compensation and a huge contract.

The stuff about complaining despite a winning record does concern me, and it’s the first time that cap management has loomed on the horizon as something to worry about in the future (how do they keep Nico and Diggs after this season!?).

However, in terms of the product on the field, how exciting is this move!? They made a lot of changes to the D during the offseason already, but the 2 trades they’ve made at skill positions are very exciting, things should open up for everyone on the Texans O because there is talent everywhere at the skill positions now.
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you mean before the trade or after?

I'm sure the Texans hadn't talked to Diggs or his people before the trade. It's not allowed.
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Remember when after the Texans traded for Schaub a story came out about how before the trade him and kubiak went out to play a round of golf together so they could see if it would be a good fit:

He already had talked to dozens of people who'd played with or coached Schaub and watched all the video he could get his hands on. But before he completed the trade that brought Schaub to the Texans, he wanted some face time.

So he tracked him down in Southern California and asked him to play a round of golf. That Kubiak hardly ever plays; that he's, by his own admission, "pretty bad," might have made the day even better.
"We had five hours together, just the two of us," Kubiak said. "I already knew a lot about him. I felt like I had a sense of what he was all about. I wanted to reassure myself that this was the type guy you wanted to be the leader of your football team.
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Its very possible once the Texans showed legit interest and had the means to aquire him, the Bills at least let them have a phone conversation.
 
Payne made a great point regarding Diggs on his youtube channel. And regarding diva WRs in general. If you’re worried about a player becoming a malcontent when times are bad, then make sure times aren’t going bad. Tom Brady got one Super Bowl season out of the Bucs with Antonio Brown on the team before they had to cut probably the most severe case of a locker room cancer in league history.

The Super Bowl window is wide open right now while CJ is on his rookie contract. Surely the team can keep Diggs happy for two more years and he can produce at a high level during that time. After that, go find his replacement. You’re not asking him to be a core player here for multiple contracts like CJ, Will and Tunsil. You’re asking him to help win you a Super Bowl or two while he’s here for the next 2-3 years.

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The best route runners of the last 10 years imo in no particular order:

Davante Adams
Keenan Allen
Stefon Diggs
Cooper Kupp

The Texans needed a WR who can get separation. So they went out and got one of the best! Can’t wait to see how wide open he gets with Slowik scheming up playmaking opportunities for him.

 
JB said:
Called What exactly?
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TheRealJoker said:
I agree. Targets weren’t the issue, but the adot was… I am wondering how they will use him here. My concern is he takes Woods’ role and will be unhappy with lack of big play opportunities.

He would do great in that underneath role. He’s one of the best route runners of this era and is a true separator that can get open quickly. But how will he feel when he moves the chains and creates opportunities to allow Tank/Nico to make big plays instead of him?
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I can see Slo switching Dell and Diggs between the Z and the slot. If Dell is the Z and Diggs is the slot, that should force holes in the middle of the field with big play potential.
 
DocBar said:
I can see Slo switching Dell and Diggs between the Z and the slot. If Dell is the Z and Diggs is the slot, that should force holes in the middle of the field with big play potential.
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Having this set of receivers will definitely open up the run game and help the Oline out.
 
Even more important than how all the WRs can be utilized together with the addition of Diggs: When/if Nico or Tank get injured, we aren't forced to depend on Noah Brown as a primary targeted.. In other words, we aren't one injury away from being shutdown by a good defense: Cleveland the 1st time, Baltimore, etc...
 
welsh texan said:
I’m quite taken aback at this trade, this seems very against our previous MO, to be trading for a top player, in his prime, for big compensation and a huge contract.

The stuff about complaining despite a winning record does concern me, and it’s the first time that cap management has loomed on the horizon as something to worry about in the future (how do they keep Nico and Diggs after this season!?).

However, in terms of the product on the field, how exciting is this move!? They made a lot of changes to the D during the offseason already, but the 2 trades they’ve made at skill positions are very exciting, things should open up for everyone on the Texans O because there is talent everywhere at the skill positions now.
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The MO has changed several times over the past three - four years. The first one was to get the very best from that Watson situation/ draft picks and build through the draft. Then it was to get their franchise player through the draft and bringing quality veterans. Also hitting on the head coach. Now it’s about building around your franchise quarterback and defensive anchor. They weren’t trying to spend money until the right time in which is right now. Their core players are all on rookie contracts so we might as well take advantage.
 
Marcus said:
So, what’s the deal here? It looks like to me they were desperate to get rid of him. Look at the dead money they are carrying just to do the trade. Doesn’t make much sense to me. And that makes me a little suspicious.
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badboy said:
this may help:
www.cbssports.com

Bills trade Stefon Diggs to Texans: Grading Houston's blockbuster deal for Buffalo's disgruntled Pro Bowl WR

Diggs is joining forces with C.J. Stroud
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TheMatrix31 said:
Eh. He's a cancer. Better keep his bullshit in check.
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He has been a "difficult" personality for sure. The Bills and the media have been trying to put his progressive decrease in production solely on him dogging it. But as I looked into it deeper (looking at film and talking to some involved personnel), I found that this superficial explanation may not entirely explain it. Over the past season, Diggs has been dealing with 2 significant issues. First has been an oblique muscle tear, which has been a problem for him in the past and with his age has reared itself again. Second, he has developed some limiting lumbar disc problems. The way the Bills addressed these issues has not been seriously, and has been a significant source of his more recent negative attitude and actions.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He has been a "difficult" personality for sure. The Bills and the media have been trying to put his progressive decrease in production solely on him dogging it. But as I looked into it deeper (looking at film and talking to some involved personnel), I found that this superficial explanation may not entirely explain it. Over the past season, Diggs has been dealing with 2 significant issues. First has been an oblique muscle tear, which has been a problem for him in the past and with his age has reared itself again. Second, he has developed some limiting lumbar disc problems. The way the Bills addressed these issues has not been seriously, and has been a significant source of his more recent negative attitude and actions.
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Interesting. Any thoughts on how Diggs wanted issues addressed? Medically or rest when Diggs thinks necessary, etc? As a doctor (I realize without access to his records or giving him exam), what would you suggest to allow him best productivity?

I did see the oblique tear on the report from draft sharks that I posted earlier. Thanks for your comments!
 
JB said:
That's what I thought... nothing
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He made a post in the "Will the Texans make the playoffs in 2024" thread, that countered some the "bah humbug/PTSD" accounts (I'll include myself in that group until we rallied to win the division) that were negative about a playoff return next year. So yes after our moves in FA, I think DanielTX earned the right to say 'I told you so.'
 
Texansballer74 said:
The MO has changed several times over the past three - four years. The first one was to get the very best from that Watson situation/ draft picks and build through the draft. Then it was to get their franchise player through the draft and bringing quality veterans. Also hitting on the head coach. Now it’s about building around your franchise quarterback and defensive anchor. They weren’t trying to spend money until the right time in which is right now. Their core players are all on rookie contracts so we might as well take advantage.
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Yep, they took an age to even begin getting around to rebuilding that squad once they accepted that O’Brien had fucked it but they are motoring now and things are moving very fast.

This seems like the first point where there is a big risk in the move, it’s a lot of money to commit to a guy who has shown he isn’t always a great teammate in the past, but certainly a quality player on the field who should offer something different to the rest of the WR corps, an interesting and ballsy move!
 
welsh texan said:
Yep, they took an age to even begin getting around to rebuilding that squad once they accepted that O’Brien had fucked it but they are motoring now and things are moving very fast.

This seems like the first point where there is a big risk in the move, it’s a lot of money to commit to a guy who has shown he isn’t always a great teammate in the past, but certainly a quality player on the field who should offer something different to the rest of the WR corps, an interesting and ballsy move!
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I agree with you, except their financial commitment is almost inconsequential since they are free from guaranteed money... Basically, after the trade, they have Diggs on a 1 year contract with 3 years of team options from 2025-2027. I am interested in if and when they rework the deal for cap flexibility/etc..
 
dalemurphy said:
Even more important than how all the WRs can be utilized together with the addition of Diggs: When/if Nico or Tank get injured, we aren't forced to depend on Noah Brown as a primary targeted.. In other words, we aren't one injury away from being shutdown by a good defense: Cleveland the 1st time, Baltimore, etc...
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Spot on
 
Texansballer74 said:
The MO has changed several times over the past three - four years. The first one was to get the very best from that Watson situation/ draft picks and build through the draft. Then it was to get their franchise player through the draft and bringing quality veterans. Also hitting on the head coach. Now it’s about building around your franchise quarterback and defensive anchor. They weren’t trying to spend money until the right time in which is right now. Their core players are all on rookie contracts so we might as well take advantage.
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Yep, now is the time to take advantage or never.

What I like is that with the additions of Mixon and Diggs the Not Texans Worthy thing is a thing of the past.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, now is the time to take advantage or never.

What I like is that with the additions of Mixon and Diggs the Not Texans Worthy thing is a thing of the past.
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Paraphrasing Seth Payne from his youtube show, but I agree that having a core of legitimate (captain-worthy) players allows you to take a shot at some non-perfect characters with tons of talent.
 
So from what I’ve gathered, Bills wanted Texans 2.42 from Minnesota and to complete the deal before Diggs roster bonus kicked in. Texans held out until the bonus kicked in at risk someone else would trade for Diggs. When they didn’t, the Texans held out again to move the pick to 2025 at risk someone else would swoop in. Bills couldn’t find a better offer / someone with more collateral in the range they wanted for Diggs. Houston then was able to use next year’s second while also getting the Bills to concede two more picks because Houston then had knowledge they were only bidding against themselves.

Riverboat Nick didn’t blink.

GG as they say.
 
cland said:
Paraphrasing Seth Payne from his youtube show, but I agree that having a core of legitimate (captain-worthy) players allows you to take a shot at some non-perfect characters with tons of talent.
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Exactly, this is what I've been wanting the Texans to do since their inception. Guess it had to have Bob and Janice give way to Cal for this to happen.
 
steelbtexan said:
Exactly, this is what I've been wanting the Texans to do since their inception. Guess it had to have Bob and Janice give way to Cal for this to happen.
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Diggs competes hard, cares about winning, and expects a lot from himself- that kind of player will fit in with this team's culture just fine, IMO. Character matters a great deal!- However, don't ask 70 year old billionaires to define the character traits needed to develop a winning NFL team culture: that was the problem with the "Texan worthy" crap.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He has been a "difficult" personality for sure. The Bills and the media have been trying to put his progressive decrease in production solely on him dogging it. But as I looked into it deeper (looking at film and talking to some involved personnel), I found that this superficial explanation may not entirely explain it. Over the past season, Diggs has been dealing with 2 significant issues. First has been an oblique muscle tear, which has been a problem for him in the past and with his age has reared itself again. Second, he has developed some limiting lumbar disc problems. The way the Bills addressed these issues has not been seriously, and has been a significant source of his more recent negative attitude and actions.
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Sounds like a team’s medical staff ran a player out of town.

Like Texans with Brandon Brooks and Washington with Trent Williams.
 
Porky said:
Happiest guy in town right now is Bobby Slowik. He’s like the kid that just opened his Christmas gift and it’s a 10,000 piece Lego set, and now he gets to spend the next few months being creative and making a masterpiece.
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I'm seeing some reports which say we are getting 5th & 6th round picks in addition to the
Bills WR while other reports say we are giving up a 5 & 6 in addition to the '25 two for him ?
I dunno which one is it ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I'm seeing some reports which say we are getting 5th & 6th round picks in addition to the
Bills WR while other reports say we are giving up a 5 & 6 in addition to the '25 two for him ?
I dunno which one is it ?
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traded 2025 2nd round pick for Diggs, Buffalo's 5th in 2025, and Buffalo's 6th in 2024
 
JWLCASPER said:
So from what I’ve gathered, Bills wanted Texans 2.42 from Minnesota and to complete the deal before Diggs roster bonus kicked in. Texans held out until the bonus kicked in at risk someone else would trade for Diggs. When they didn’t, the Texans held out again to move the pick to 2025 at risk someone else would swoop in. Bills couldn’t find a better offer / someone with more collateral in the range they wanted for Diggs. Houston then was able to use next year’s second while also getting the Bills to concede two more picks because Houston then had knowledge they were only bidding against themselves.

Riverboat Nick didn’t blink.

GG as they say.
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It is an understatement of how well Caserio did during this trade.

Posters would have been triggered calling for Caserio’s job had he missed out on Diggs. They still don’t give that man enough credit.

But he worked the deal masterfully.

He played the long game getting a draft pick from the Vikings to make the deal.

I didn’t/don’t care for Diggs or the trade back, but as usual, I am wrong and the professional knew what he was doing.

I for one will never question the vest again.
 
JWLCASPER said:
So from what I’ve gathered, Bills wanted Texans 2.42 from Minnesota and to complete the deal before Diggs roster bonus kicked in. Texans held out until the bonus kicked in at risk someone else would trade for Diggs. When they didn’t, the Texans held out again to move the pick to 2025 at risk someone else would swoop in. Bills couldn’t find a better offer / someone with more collateral in the range they wanted for Diggs. Houston then was able to use next year’s second while also getting the Bills to concede two more picks because Houston then had knowledge they were only bidding against themselves.

Riverboat Nick didn’t blink.

GG as they say.
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Why was Buffalo concerned about a roster bonus of a quarter of a million dollars as it passes on to Texans, correct?
 
cland said:
He made a post in the "Will the Texans make the playoffs in 2024" thread, that countered some the "bah humbug/PTSD" accounts (I'll include myself in that group until we rallied to win the division) that were negative about a playoff return next year. So yes after our moves in FA, I think DanielTX earned the right to say 'I told you so.'
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The post of his where he said 'called it' had nothing to do with playoffs or Diggs. And quite a few people said they expected the Texans to return to the playoffs so...
 
TexansBull said:
It is an understatement of how well Caserio did during this trade.

Posters would have been triggered calling for Caserio’s job had he missed out on Diggs. They still don’t give that man enough credit.

But he worked the deal masterfully.

He played the long game getting a draft pick from the Vikings to make the deal.

I didn’t/don’t care for Diggs or the trade back, but as usual, I am wrong and the professional knew what he was doing.

I for one will never question the vest again.
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Okay, be honest! Are you going to go out and buy a vest for yourself?
 
badboy said:
Why was Buffalo concerned about a roster bonus of a quarter of a million dollars as it passes on to Texans, correct?
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I have to look closer at the details but if it was a roster bonus set for a certain date, the team trading for the contract would be on the hook for that bonus if acquired before the bonus date. These are bonuses outside of the spread out signing bonus. Workout/offseason/roster bonuses and the like are now the responsibility of the Texans moving forward because the contract and all clauses that come with it are traded. Somewhere I read that was 9+ million but I could be incorrect without a deeper dive.

- After first glance I believe this is a forward payment from a roster restructure Buffalo did like we have done to free up money with Howard. Because they converted P5 (base salary) to a bonus that would have fallen on us if we had traded for him prior to the bonus payout.
 
leebigeztx said:
Can you tell me how fast devin white tested or Isaih Simmons? Fred Warner ran a 4.6 in the 40. 40 yd dash isn't a heavy weight in terms of lb. Urlacher also ran a 4.6 also. I'm just saying who are you taking off the field when teams go 3 wr and a te or are you going to stay base?

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I'm leaving the best cover LB on the field. As of right now the Texans can really use a good cover LB. Not to mention a very good blitzing LB. If drafted Wilson will be the best LB on the team and Al Shaair/Harris are very good.
 
JWLCASPER said:
So from what I’ve gathered, Bills wanted Texans 2.42 from Minnesota and to complete the deal before Diggs roster bonus kicked in. Texans held out until the bonus kicked in at risk someone else would trade for Diggs. When they didn’t, the Texans held out again to move the pick to 2025 at risk someone else would swoop in. Bills couldn’t find a better offer / someone with more collateral in the range they wanted for Diggs. Houston then was able to use next year’s second while also getting the Bills to concede two more picks because Houston then had knowledge they were only bidding against themselves.

Riverboat Nick didn’t blink.

GG as they say.
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Actually, I believe it was Buffalo that wanted the 2025 pick. Their draft pool was already at $12 million, and the cap strapped Bills didn't want it to get any higher. And it was Caserio that initiated the talks with the Vikings trying to obtain the 2025 2nd. Still, nice job of maneuvering by Nick.
 
Lucky said:
Actually, I believe it was Buffalo that wanted the 2025 pick. Their draft pool was already at $12 million, and the cap strapped Bills didn't want it to get any higher. And it was Caserio that initiated the talks with the Vikings trying to obtain the 2025 2nd. Still, nice job of maneuvering by Nick.
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They definitely wanted the pick this year from what I was told. Things may have shifted from the initial thinking but no one wants to punt improvements / replacements a year down the road unless absolutely necessary.
 
leebigeztx said:
Can you tell me how fast devin white tested or Isaih Simmons? Fred Warner ran a 4.6 in the 40. 40 yd dash isn't a heavy weight in terms of lb. Urlacher also ran a 4.6 also. I'm just saying who are you taking off the field when teams go 3 wr and a te or are you going to stay base?

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Perhaps you are unaware that on occasion P. Wilson lined up on the slot receiver. Not often, but some. When he did that was he a LB or a CB?
 
JWLCASPER said:
They definitely wanted the pick this year from what I was told.
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Well, in this case that was what Buffalo wanted. And that's why Nick made the Vikings trade. That's from Sirius NFL today. Apparently, Nick and the Bills have been in discussion since the combine.

Check the Bills cap number. Link
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm leaving the best cover LB on the field. As of right now the Texans can really use a good cover LB. Not to mention a very good blitzing LB. If drafted Wilson will be the best LB on the team and Al Shaair/Harris are very good.
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Wilson is 2 years out from his shoulder injury and 4 years out from his ACL. He may not make it out of the 1st round. But I'm with you, I sure would like for the Texans to land him. I can't recall a LB with his speed and coverage skills and size. He's the prototypical LB for the modern offenses.
 
Lucky said:
Well, in this case that was what Buffalo wanted. And that's why Nick made the Vikings trade. That's from Sirius NFL today. Apparently, Nick and the Bills have been in discussion since the combine.

Check the Bills cap number. Link
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That’s why he wanted the additional second this year. It was initially for the Diggs trade,
 
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