Hope he falls to 2-59. Doubtful.
He may only last 4 or 5 yrs but he's very athletic for such a huge human being. He and Murphy were the reasons UT was so hard to run against last yr. Keep the local guy home. (Huntsville)
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He may only last 4 or 5 yrs but he's very athletic for such a huge human being. He and Murphy were the reasons UT was so hard to run against last yr. Keep the local guy home. (Huntsville)
Ajay the Boise St. former RB that played with the Dolphins for 3-4 yrs at a high level sounds like a better comparison.
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Ajay suffered an isolated right ACL in college in 2011. He then suffered a failure of the repair in 2018......again, an isolated ACL...........a very different prognosis........a very much better prognosis than a multi ligament injury
leebigeztx
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Doc, what's your take on Latu and that neck injury
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You're surely keeping me busy with difficult cases.
Not much public information has been released re. Latu's injury. From the pieces that I have been able to put together, here is what I can say. Following consultations with 5 surgeon, he underwent anterior cervical fusion which did not resolved his spinal root symptoms for a very long time (that in itself not typically a good sign). Since the surgery was performed via the anterior vs the posterior approach, it had to involve only 1 or 2 vertebral segments. In my opinion, the most likely injury for which he was given a dismal prognosis to ever return to football is a C2 fracture (AKA "hangman's fracture). Most surgeons would never recommend a full-contact sport following such an injury. His symptoms did eventually resolve and his surgery healed without complications. He has undergone extensive neck muscle building exercises to increase the stability of his cervical spine. And he has trained extensively in tackling with his head out of the way and leading with his shoulder instead of his head.
There are no studies showing the long-term prognosis for re-injury for an athlete who elects to return to football following such an injury...............because surgeons heretofore have considered this type of injury a contraindication for returning to any full-contact sport.
We can only pray he has made the correct decision and that against heavy odds he has a long healthy career.
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CloakNNNdagger
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I've never heard that Sweat had a poor work ethic
leebigeztx
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I've seen Shawn Roger's at 6'4 350 drop step and dunk on Albert Burdette who was like 6'9. Sweat was playing as a edge rusher in high school 
leebigeztx
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ThanksYou're surely keeping me busy with difficult cases.
Not much public information has been released re. Latu's injury. From the pieces that I have been able to put together, here is what I can say. Following consultations with 5 surgeon, he underwent anterior cervical fusion which did not resolved his spinal root symptoms for a very long time (that in itself not typically a good sign). Since the surgery was performed via the anterior vs the posterior approach, it had to involve only 1 or 2 vertebral segments. In my opinion, the most likely injury for which he was given a dismal prognosis to ever return to football is a C2 fracture (AKA "hangman's fracture). Most surgeons would never recommend a full-contact sport following such an injury. His symptoms did eventually resolve and his surgery healed without complications. He has undergone extensive neck muscle building exercises to increase the stability of his cervical spine. And he has trained extensively in tackling with his head out of the way and leading with his shoulder instead of his head.
There are no studies showing the long-term prognosis for re-injury for an athlete who elects to return to football following such an injury...............because surgeons heretofore have considered this type of injury a contraindication for returning to any full-contact sport.
We can only pray he has made the correct decision and that against heavy odds he has a long healthy career.
I don't know what Sweat will weigh in at the combine. But Wilfork as 323. Big, for sure. The 3rd heaviest DT at the 2004 combine. Sure, Wilfork got bigger over the years. But, not close to Sweat is right now.
There are guys like Vita Vea, Dexter Lawrence, and Jordan Davis that play in the 340s. But those guys are exceptional athletes at that size. I don't see Sweat as an exceptional athlete, more like someone with exceptional size.
I'm not saying Sweat can't play in the NFL. There's still room for a true 2 gap DT. Who can forget what the big boy combo of Sam Adams and Tony Siraguso did for the Ravens in the 2000s. But no one is going to take a 2 down DT in the 1st round. And as far as the Texans go, Ryans has never shown a preference for oversized DTs.
You're surely keeping me busy with difficult cases.
Not much public information has been released re. Latu's injury. From the pieces that I have been able to put together, here is what I can say. Following consultations with 5 surgeon, he underwent anterior cervical fusion which did not resolved his spinal root symptoms for a very long time (that in itself not typically a good sign). Since the surgery was performed via the anterior vs the posterior approach, it had to involve only 1 or 2 vertebral segments. In my opinion, the most likely injury for which he was given a dismal prognosis to ever return to football is a C2 fracture (AKA "hangman's fracture). Most surgeons would never recommend a full-contact sport following such an injury. His symptoms did eventually resolve and his surgery healed without complications. He has undergone extensive neck muscle building exercises to increase the stability of his cervical spine. And he has trained extensively in tackling with his head out of the way and leading with his shoulder instead of his head.
There are no studies showing the long-term prognosis for re-injury for an athlete who elects to return to football following such an injury...............because surgeons heretofore have considered this type of injury a contraindication for returning to any full-contact sport.
We can only pray he has made the correct decision and that against heavy odds he has a long healthy career.
If this guy falls past the top 10 Caserio should give up a 2025 1st to get him. I see him as another WA. A superb talent who is all about football.
Which is why he may fall to 2-59. Guy may not have a long career, but he will have an impactful 4-5 yrs.
There's risk involved but putting Latu/Sweat on a DL with WA is the things championships are made of. Find a way to give me Wilson and while risky I would be very happy with this draft. Go big or go home, this is a championship level front 7 if they bring Cashman back.
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Thank you, Miss Cleo!
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Latu would have to be considered an unexplored experiment. I don't know how smart it would be to take a chance on him as a 1st rounder. And how would you get him for a 2025 Draft pick?
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This is what I remember most about Tony Siraguso (the Goose).
RIP. Goose.............dead of a heart attack 2 years ago at only 55 years old.
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TMI Alert: Tony Siragusa's Harrowing Tale Of Pre-Game Enemas And Near-Disaster
September 20, 2012 / 10:58 AM EDT / CBS New York
NEW YORK (WFAN) -- Former Baltimore Ravens defensive lineman Tony Siragusa was known for going all-out on the field.
Well, let's just say there was one weekend when he almost went -- on the field.
There was no subject too taboo for Siragusa's new book, "Goose: The Outrageous Life and Times of a Football Guy," which included a harrowing incident involving pre-game discomfort, multiple enemas and the rear-end-tape-caper that followed.
It's one thing to read about it. It's quite another to hear it straight from the entertaining Super Bowl champion and current NFL analyst, as Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton found out Thursday morning.
LISTEN: Siragusa with Boomer & Carton
(You can download the entire clip HERE.)
Siragusa said he had "a really bad stomach ache" overnight before one game against the Washington Redskins, and an X-ray by Ravens personnel revealed constipation. The real problem? His diagnosis came just four hours and change before game time.
Option 1: take a laxative. Pass.
Siragusa instead went with option No. 2 -- an enema.
"It's not like teams travel with enemas," Siragusa told Boomer and Carton. "It's not like they've got the real nice, pretty red bag, warm water; the little stick at the end that flares out a little bit. No. They actually had a saline bag, you know, for an I.V. And then they stuck a hose, which the diameter of the hose was a lot different than really I was looking for.
"It wasn't like a pencil, it was more like a garden hose."
The first attempt yielded little more than "fresh spring water." With kicker Matt Stover attempting to give some unwelcome advice, Siragusa tried again -- and again there was little to show for his effort.
"I'm like, 'I can't believe it,' " Siragusa said. "So I go over, (coach) Brian Billick comes up to me and he goes, 'Hey listen man, we've got to know. We've got to put some guys down, we've got to inactivate (you).' I'm like 'Listen, I'm gonna (play).' "
So Siragusa, a "nervous wreck," went with the only thing he could think of -- with an assist from his teammates.
"I go over to one of the offensive linemen, I get like three or four strands of carpet tape," he said. "I go, I squat down and I like put it between my butt cheeks. I tape my butt cheeks together."
Yes, it gets better.
Siragusa, used to the Ravens' purple and black uniforms, was horrified to see his gameday duds: white top, white pants.
"Now I'm terrified," he admitted. "So I go over (to) my trainer. I go, 'Listen, Tess (Bill Tessendorf), if for some reason I'm out there on the field and I'm lying on my back, under no circumstances do you turn me over. OK? Get the stretcher, put me on the gurney, get me inside, get me a fresh pair of pants, a little powder, a little something to wash up, a little washcloth, and let me get back out here.' "
Even though the Ravens lost, all's well that ends well. Sirugusa found his relief (we'll spare you the details of THAT), missed the team bus and took a cab back to the Ravens' facility.
"This is real life, bro," Siragusa told Boomer and Carton, the radio duo in stitches. "Real life!"
Thanks, Goose.
File it under "Too Much Information."
TexansFan15
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Wow! That’s entertaining for sure!
How long has Miss Cleo been taking a dirt nap?
You would give up 1-23 and a 2025 1st.
He's a comparable talent to WA IMHO.
Well worth the picks to have studs on both edges for the next 5 yrs at least.
Sweat reminds me of Goose. RIP.
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Evidently only 7 years until reincarnation.
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Michael Penix Jr. opts not to play in Senior Bowl
By Mike Florio
Published February 3, 2024 10:23 AM
The Senior Bowl’s practice sessions have relevance to the scouting of the assembled players. For some players, participating in the practices is enough.
This year, plenty of players won’t be playing in the game.
Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. has decided not to play, we’re told, even though he was supposed to start for the National squad. Oregon quarterback Bo Nix will play only a couple of series. That leaves Notre Dame quarterback Sam Hartman to take the bulk of the snaps for the National team.
As one source with knowledge of the situation put it, the National team has been “gutted” by players deciding to skip the game. It might have only two or three total receivers.
For some players, a good week of practice has caused them to tap out of the game.
It makes sense for the players. Why risk injury in a game that doesn’t matter, especially after a week of practice sessions that has caused them to conclude the hay is in the barn?
Still, it’s the kind of trend that could significantly impact the viability of the Senior Bowl. It can’t just be practices; there has to be a game. But it will be difficult if not impossible for the Senior Bowl to ensure that players who show up for practice stick around for the game.
One solution could be to invite extra players for the practice week. That wouldn’t be ideal, but the Senior Bowl needs enough players to safely stage a game. If too many players show up for the practice sessions and don’t play in the game, at some point it becomes impossible to play the game.
By Mike Florio
Published February 3, 2024 10:23 AM
The Senior Bowl’s practice sessions have relevance to the scouting of the assembled players. For some players, participating in the practices is enough.
This year, plenty of players won’t be playing in the game.
Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. has decided not to play, we’re told, even though he was supposed to start for the National squad. Oregon quarterback Bo Nix will play only a couple of series. That leaves Notre Dame quarterback Sam Hartman to take the bulk of the snaps for the National team.
As one source with knowledge of the situation put it, the National team has been “gutted” by players deciding to skip the game. It might have only two or three total receivers.
For some players, a good week of practice has caused them to tap out of the game.
It makes sense for the players. Why risk injury in a game that doesn’t matter, especially after a week of practice sessions that has caused them to conclude the hay is in the barn?
Still, it’s the kind of trend that could significantly impact the viability of the Senior Bowl. It can’t just be practices; there has to be a game. But it will be difficult if not impossible for the Senior Bowl to ensure that players who show up for practice stick around for the game.
One solution could be to invite extra players for the practice week. That wouldn’t be ideal, but the Senior Bowl needs enough players to safely stage a game. If too many players show up for the practice sessions and don’t play in the game, at some point it becomes impossible to play the game.
For a guy fighting to get into the 1st round, Penix is getting bad advice from his agent. Not that the game itself is so important for evaluating him. Just that he’s letting his coaching staff down.
So then it could be said that young Mr. Sweat is a follower of the J.Clowney school of training
& conditioning ?
But I think the former Texans edge rusher had an entirely different body type than Sweat.
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Conditioning is a much more important and difficult task for a 350+ lb player to accomplish/maintain than for a 267 lb player.
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No doubt, he has talent. But no matter how complimentary, Sweat's performance analyses consistently note concerns of conditioning, snap counts and inconsistency. Typical in the descriptions, the use of the word "flashes" then disappearing............all a reflection of conditioning. Strict attention to conditioning is a major component of work ethic in such a big man.
Here are just a few examples.
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From Walterfootball.com
Weaknesses:
- Not a dynamic interior pass rusher
- May not have a role in the sub package
- Could be limited to being a two-down defender
- Poor work ethic
- Sub-par conditioning habits
- Needs to keep his weight in check
T'Vondre Sweat NFL Draft 2024: Scouting Report for Texas DL
— Conditioning needs work. Runs out of gas easily.
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2024 NFL Draft prospect profile: T’Vondre Sweat, DT, Texas
Weaknesses
- Foot speed
- Endurance
price paid for his exceptional mass and power.
There are also questions regarding Sweat’s endurance. He was frequently rotated off the field for Texas and there were signs of fatigue later in games. It’s fair to question how he’ll hold up over the course of a 17-game season or if he could be a liability against teams that use no-huddle offenses to keep him from leaving the field.
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But in regards to Sweat's NFL career, he's never going to be brought in to rush the passer. His job will be to take up o-linemen and free LBs to make tackles. Sweat can do that and has done that. Heck, if I'm drafting for a NFC East team, I'm taking Sweat just to stop the Philly Tush Push. But not in the 1st round.
Not saying your wrong, but he's not a 3 down pass rusher and never will be. And I don't put any stock into what Walter, B/R report or East Philly says.
Texansphan
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Interesting Doc.
I was thinking he would be worth our second, but after what you said, not any more.
ghostlight
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I don’t even have Sweat on my watch list and I’m a Longhorn fan
Sweat might be worth some teams 2nd or 3rd. If I'm the Cardinals, I might be tired of having the ball jammed down our throat. I could use a T'Vondre Sweat on my side.
I find him to be very quick and mobile for a guy Sweat's size.
CloakNNNdagger
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What I see in Sweat is a player that has gained significant weight each year that he has played. That trend does not fare well with believing that he will miraculously control his weight once in the NFL.
True, but there are many that have had great careers.
Gilbert Brown/Goose/Sam Adams/Ted Washington etc... all were huge guys that had fairly long careers. They helped control the LOS, keep the LB's clean and get their big old fingers fitted for rings. Look at the Ravens this yr as an example.
There's certainly risk involved, but that's why he might be available at 2-59. Otherwise Sweat's a top 20-25 talent. Men that big dont usually have the kind of movement skills that allow them to fill gaps the way Sweat does. BTW, Sark said Sweat has a great work ethic.
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I'll wait to see him against NFL OL week in week out. Watching him, he is not quick off the ball. He is mobile for his size. But he doesn't seem to be able to get low and gets stood up...........this especially will be a negative against a strong NFL guard who will more often than not gain leverage.
You don't ever see any mad rush on nose tackles in the 1st round for sure, and typically not until the 3rd. A 2 down player in any case, even when ery good, has to be considered a team luxury. I'll be curious as anyone as to how he translates to the NFL.
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Those you have listed had elite skills and were known for their unrelenting hard work. Sweat is not in that category.
Not according to Sark.
Sark said Sweat was a hard worker and a leader on their defense. This could be a case of a HC building up a former player. 2 things I know are, 1. Sweat was a dominant player this season and 2. he was dominant at the Sr. Bowl.
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Nobody has really been able to move him off of the LOS despite you being correct in that he sometimes plays a little high.
2-59 is almost the 3rd and seems about right for Sweat if you have the concerns that you've expressed. The concerns you've expressed dont really concern me when it comes to his play on the field IMHO. They weight is a legitimate concern.
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For all you Sweat fans...........
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If he falls to 2-59 Sweat would be my pick. Depends on what the Texans do in FA though.
I'm not worried about longevity, there's only a 7 year window for winning a championship before the QB starts eating up too much cap. If I get 4-5 years of Sweat at his best then I'm happy. Dude can move for such a huge dude.
I would love a fa, draft of
Hunter in FA
1. DeJohn or Mitchell
2. Sweat.
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Texas Longhorns Pro day set for March 20 at 1 pm.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My offensive Targets:
OT- Tyler Guyton (Oklahoma)
RB- Jaylen Wright (Tennessee)
TE- Jared Wiley (TCU)
WR- Luke McCaffrey (Rice)
My Defensive Targets:
DT- T'Vondre Sweat (Texas)
SS- Jaden Hicks (Washington State)
CB- Storm Duck (Louisville / Oregon / North Carolina)
Could I make this group work in a draft? I’ll have to give it a try and post the results in the Texans 2024 Off-Season or something like that.
OT- Tyler Guyton (Oklahoma)
RB- Jaylen Wright (Tennessee)
TE- Jared Wiley (TCU)
WR- Luke McCaffrey (Rice)
My Defensive Targets:
DT- T'Vondre Sweat (Texas)
SS- Jaden Hicks (Washington State)
CB- Storm Duck (Louisville / Oregon / North Carolina)
Could I make this group work in a draft? I’ll have to give it a try and post the results in the Texans 2024 Off-Season or something like that.
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Texansphan
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Here's a nice prospect.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Here's a mock I would love to see become reality.
texanswire.usatoday.com
Texans 4-round mock draft, 1.0: Post-Senior Bowl edition
Following the Senior Bowl, John Crumpler unveils his latest four-round Texans mock draft.
texanswire.usatoday.com
I would like that but also would like to see who was availableHere's a mock I would love to see become reality.
Texans 4-round mock draft, 1.0: Post-Senior Bowl edition
Following the Senior Bowl, John Crumpler unveils his latest four-round Texans mock draft.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Kiran Amegadjie OT Yale.
6'5" 318 lbs - 5.10 40
"Originating from Hinsdale, IL, Kiran Amegadjie's journey from a 2-star recruit at Hinsdale HS to a dominant force on the football field is a testament to his growth and dedication. Despite limited attention from college scouts, Amegadjie's decision to play for Yale proved transformative. Transitioning from right guard in 2021 to left tackle in subsequent years. In 2021, over 695 snaps, he allowed 11 QB hurries, 4 hits, and one sack. His sophomore year saw a reduction in allowed hurries to 4, one QB hit, and zero sacks over 666 snaps. Despite an injury-shortened 2023 season, Amegadjie's impact was undeniable, with just 3 QB hurries over 235 snaps. His accolades include First-Team All-Ivy selection in 2022 and All-Ivy Honorable Mention in 2021, underscoring his dominance and potential."
Suffered a season ending quadriceps injury in 2023 which has downgraded his draft stock and will prevent him participating in draft activities.
Likely goes early in Round 2 if not for the injury.
6'5" 318 lbs - 5.10 40
"Originating from Hinsdale, IL, Kiran Amegadjie's journey from a 2-star recruit at Hinsdale HS to a dominant force on the football field is a testament to his growth and dedication. Despite limited attention from college scouts, Amegadjie's decision to play for Yale proved transformative. Transitioning from right guard in 2021 to left tackle in subsequent years. In 2021, over 695 snaps, he allowed 11 QB hurries, 4 hits, and one sack. His sophomore year saw a reduction in allowed hurries to 4, one QB hit, and zero sacks over 666 snaps. Despite an injury-shortened 2023 season, Amegadjie's impact was undeniable, with just 3 QB hurries over 235 snaps. His accolades include First-Team All-Ivy selection in 2022 and All-Ivy Honorable Mention in 2021, underscoring his dominance and potential."
Suffered a season ending quadriceps injury in 2023 which has downgraded his draft stock and will prevent him participating in draft activities.
Likely goes early in Round 2 if not for the injury.
Probably late 2nd without the injury... and you forgot the link
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Kiran-Amegadjie-OL-Yale
thetexanator
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wheres this coming from?