Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I think he will rise dramatically in the draft and probably go around the 25-30 mark.
He could be the next Megatron with some games under his belt and a QB like Stroud throwing to him.
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He could be the next Megatron with some games under his belt and a QB like Stroud throwing to him.
NFLDraftbuzz has an interesting draft profile for him
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Johnny-Wilson-WR-ArizonaState
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
badboy
Hall of Fame
I was hyper focused on Wilson just after the season started. Just under 6 foot 7 and with 10 and a quarter inch hands Plus 36-in arms he has a tremendous catch radius. I did notice that he does have some issues due to his height. 36-in vertical leap and has topped out at over 21 miles an hour which is crazy at his weight.
Watching him he seems to be a willing blocker but just not very good at it. Also he is limited in his route tree but despite not having the best of hands he seems to get and hang on to the ball. I just have options that I like better although he would be great on sideline catches and in the red zone. I also think Stroud would love his reachability above opponents.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I understand your point but this guy is a yardage eater. In one game he had two runs over 50 and another for 33 so he's getting away from some players somehow. I like good 40 speed in wide receivers, cornerbacks and running backs. Yet this guy just gets it done.
Ohio State WR Harrison Jr. 'undecided' over draft
Ohio State receiver Marvin Harrison Jr., a projected top-five pick in the 2024 NFL draft, said he's "still undecided" about entering the the 2024 NFL draft or returning for his senior season with the Buckeyes.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
wrs his size have trouble with the jam. James Hardy(rip) of the bills had this problems. Most guys that size are jump ball guys. I would tell him to add 10lbs and play te.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I watched him vs USC and he only had 3 runs longer than 5yrds. However, he broke tackles and even on a 5yrd run he managed to fall forward. Plus, he was dishing out punishment as he got 5yrds here and 3 here and 8 here. My only issue, seeing his speed seemed better than the reports is he didn't seem to always see the holes and was stopped for 1yrd and no gain many times before he could cut. Honestly, reminded me of DP last season. Yet he was playing in a WCO style system. That's a plus
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
This is going to be a different draft for Texans.
This time they won't be considering a QB1 high in the draft.
It's still an important one as they have multiple issues to consider but the pressure is relieved to a certain degree - seems more like a luxury draft this time.
The main issues are protecting CJ and a big part of that is the second issue for the O - a reliable ground game.
Both these issues can be greatly helped with a stout Oline that can pass and run pro.
We have a QB who is very good at passing so now we need to give him a second option to hand it off in the face of a good secondary and/or pass rush and the good teams have those elements. You're gonna meet them in the post season.
So, somehow, Texans have to solidify our Oline and the draft is a bit of a lottery but a good place to find good your future stars.
It's a deep draft for receivers, so you could get a good one a little lower than the first pick.
So the first pick should be Oline.
You can always move up a little to nab a receiver you like with the second.
Third pick - a nice RB.
I'm leaning O heavily in the top half of this draft and looking at FA for a couple of good defenders - maybe a splash signing of a decent pass rusher.
Caserio has done a good job getting some nice talent in here on the D from FA so let him at it again.
This time they won't be considering a QB1 high in the draft.
It's still an important one as they have multiple issues to consider but the pressure is relieved to a certain degree - seems more like a luxury draft this time.
The main issues are protecting CJ and a big part of that is the second issue for the O - a reliable ground game.
Both these issues can be greatly helped with a stout Oline that can pass and run pro.
We have a QB who is very good at passing so now we need to give him a second option to hand it off in the face of a good secondary and/or pass rush and the good teams have those elements. You're gonna meet them in the post season.
So, somehow, Texans have to solidify our Oline and the draft is a bit of a lottery but a good place to find good your future stars.
It's a deep draft for receivers, so you could get a good one a little lower than the first pick.
So the first pick should be Oline.
You can always move up a little to nab a receiver you like with the second.
Third pick - a nice RB.
I'm leaning O heavily in the top half of this draft and looking at FA for a couple of good defenders - maybe a splash signing of a decent pass rusher.
Caserio has done a good job getting some nice talent in here on the D from FA so let him at it again.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I'm liking OT Taleise Fuaga too.
Brian Thomas WR in the second
And RB Raheim Sanders 3rd/4th.
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Lack of health is what has held the ol back this year.
Biggest need is a RB and a TE on offense.
Defense
DT, S, CB depth, LB and most of all an edge that can really rush the passer.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Your right. He just apparently doesn't have the game for the WCO. He might be great in another type of system, look at last year as a great example. A RB in this type system doesn't have to be Barry Sanders. However, they have to be quick to the hole, know what hole to go to unless it's a stretch play and more importantly be able to stick the cleat in the ground, cut and take off. And they must be able to catch. The screen game is a thing in the system and it works...if your RB can catch and make a guy miss.
I've been looking at these guys they 100% should fit the system. And you may notice all of them are bigger backs. But, still with speed and quickness. I have a few others, but they are shorter and 205-ish. The MJD type mold. I really like Blake Corhum but likely gone in the late 1st early 2nd.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah. My concern is in dishing out punishment, he also takes some.
Cooper can play
badboy
Hall of Fame
Trotter round 2 high with 5 passes defended 2 INTs and 2 Forced Fumble with 5.5 sacks.
He's avg at best in pass coverage.
Finding a ready made NFL nickel LB straight out of the draft is going to be ridiculously tough. Finding a LB in the draft with the attributes to become a NFL nickel LB with the right coaching is doable. Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw weren't those guys right out of the draft. This is essentially Harris' 1st season with top level NFL coaching.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Like I mentioned in another post....I'd do some UFA shopping off the 49'ers roster to add a couple of players with system knowledge, and 1 from the Ravens roster b/c of how they play defense.
1. DT- Javon Kinlaw (DT2) SF 2020 RD1-14 South Carolina
2. ILB- Oren Burks (ILB1) GB 2018 RD3-88 Vanderbilt
3. SS- Geno Stone (SS1) BAL 2020 RD7-219 Iowa **6 INT this season**
1. DT- Javon Kinlaw (DT2) SF 2020 RD1-14 South Carolina
2. ILB- Oren Burks (ILB1) GB 2018 RD3-88 Vanderbilt
3. SS- Geno Stone (SS1) BAL 2020 RD7-219 Iowa **6 INT this season**
badboy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps but we don't have a linebacker that has five defended passes that I know of.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
You can't have everything. You need good run defenders/pass rushers in your LB corp.
The DBs are your main weapons in the passing game.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think free agency will resolve some issues for us this offseason with Demeco that we have not had before.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Some say it's your Edge rushers but I think we need both this offseason
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Yeah DBs in the longer passing plays over the middle.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
The way I look at it is the better players in college will most likely be the better players in the NFL.
Give me Burks, he would be a big upgrade.
Kinlaw's always hurt.
Stone doesn't move the needle, use his FA money on impact players in FA.
Sure you can.
49ers have Warner.
Ravens have Smith
Chiefs have Willie Gay
Bills have Milano etc...
Gotta find another guy. Cashman is that guy the Texans. Unfortunately Cashman is injury prone.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Is Cashman injury prone? When he played for the Jets sure. But look at the stadium turf. He plays back there and boom injury.
For the Texans he has been pretty healthy.
Plus I heard that Cashman said the Texans are better at managing soft tissue problems than the Jets. At least for him because the Texans have him doing different things to prevent the soft tissue injuries he wasn’t doing with the Jets.
I heard he said that in an interview on the radio. I can’t find a link.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Those type of guys are exceptional - I guess you could snag one in a trade or luck into one in the draft. Trotter may be the best chance at a top guy.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
lukecolley1011
Practice Squad
Houston sits at 23 this year. I think our O line and secondary is the biggest things we need to address. Do I think Houston is going this route. No. I think Houston will go the WR route and I'm not that upset about it. I think Stroud with either Keon Coleman or Brian Thomas Jr will be elite. A new trio would be in Houston with Nico, Tank, and one of the two I mentioned. Keon had a total of 50 receptions with 658 receiving yards and 11 touchdowns. Brian had 68 receptions for 1177 receiving yards and 17 touchdowns. Both of them are 6'4 and around the same weight at 220. Personally I like Keon Coleman because he quick and his vert is insane. While Thomas was sitting behind Nabers. I linked both of their highlights from this year. Go Texans!!
Keon Coleman Highlights 2023
Brian Thomas Jr Highlights 2023
Keon Coleman Highlights 2023
Brian Thomas Jr Highlights 2023
I can't really pigeonhole the position the Texans are going in the 1st round. It could be WR, CB, OL, or DL. Free agency will have some effect on that, as well. As former Texan GM Brian Gaine said prior draft to the 2019 draft, "Let the draft board speak to us."
Number19
Hall of Fame
Houston doesn't have a single player currently on the roster at the RT position. With the exception of Tytus Howard, who is on IR and unlikely to come off it by training camp, all RTs are free agents. The position has to be addressed. The question is, will it be in free agency, or the draft.
If we go free agency, Trent Brown is available in the $8M range, Mike Onwenu in the $15M range and Jermaine Eluemunor in the $7M range. All would be an upgrade over Fant, who we could resign in the $4M range.
There are four RTs in the draft projected for the 1st round. Tyler Guyton is the most likely to fall to us at #23, and maybe Amarius Mims. Taliesin Fuaga will be off the board, and likely JC Latham.
So, free agency or the 1st round of the draft? Or might we select a RT on the second or third day?
Free agency starts starts March 13th.
Aren't Onwenu and Eluemunor OGs playing RT due to injuries?
I would sign Brown in FA and draft a developmental guy.
Trent Brown and Curtis Samuel? Those seem like the type of low budget signings Caserio had made in the past. Hopeful that Nick won't have to shop in the discount aisle, this year.
Trent Brown is PFF's #2 OT in FA this year, Onwenu #3
I don't see them signing #1 Tyron Smith
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-free-agency-rankings-offensive-tackles
Trent Brown isn't the discount aisle, he's the best RT on the market. Samuel is very underrated and fits in well in a WCO doing Deebo type things.
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Number19
Hall of Fame
Both have experience at other positions.
Onwenu:
'23....11 starts RT...4 at RG
'22...17 starts RG
'21...7 starts LG...6 at RT...4 at LT
'20...12 starts RT...2 at RG
PFF writes: Onwenu has been shifted around endlessly throughout his rookie contract but returned to RT in week 7 of 2023, the position he seems most comfortable playing as a solid pass protector and a strong gap scheme blocker with good footwork to combo block at the line and get to the second level fairly well.
Eluemunor:
'23...14 starts RT...2 at LT
'22...15 starts RT...1 at RG...1 LT
'21...4 starts at RG
'20...6 starts at RT...4 at LT
PFF writes: Eluemunor is a longtime swing tackle who found a home last year at RT ... backed up a strong 2022.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Number19
Hall of Fame
I agree. I just wouldn't draft a developmental prospect and expect to start him in '24, hense signing Brown.
8 mil is cheap, considering they're paying 18 mil for Howard. Cant wait until next off season when they can cut Howard.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
And as I have posted before, Trent Brown is really good at left tackle in case Laremy Tunsil has to come out.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps Nick will be able to work a post June 1st trade even if he has to give up a late round pick. That would add approximately 14 million dollars to the salary cap. Some team might want to sit on Howard and take the risk. Howard should be ok with prorating 2024 base or a contract re-work.
OTs are premium and hopefully some teams will take that risk.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I don't think they will pay Tytus top dollar and then draft a right tackle in the first round. It just doesn't make sense, considering the amount of money and draft capital already invested in this offensive line. Unless they believe Tytus is no longer fit to play football, this scenario is highly unlikely. Instead of indulging in this far-fetched fantasy, can we please discuss plausible scenarios?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
It all depends on Howard's status - free agency will tell the story.
Keep in mind Caserio does draft for depth as well so a RT is not out of the question.
It will also give him options to cut deadwood.
Either way, they have to do something to improve that line.
What you said about Trent Brown makes sense, so the only other option is to draft a rookie but do you trust a rookie to protect CJ?
A bit of a conundrum.
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Number19
Hall of Fame
There's no way any of us can know with certainty Howard's rehab. But CnnnD, with his professional contacts and extensive knowledge, offers the best guess. Statistically, of those players with Howard's injury, only 50% return to play. And of those who do come back, it takes 18 months for recovery. I don't believe he gave data on the strength of recovery compared to preinjury. But if typical recovery takes 18 months, what are the chances Howard will be ready to play in less than 12 months? Anything may be possible but I wouldn't count on Howard returning this year. And if I was Caserio, I'd be looking at '25 as well.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Seems to me we need a better back up plan.
I believe Josh Jones was serviceable at RT?