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If they can afford to pay both and bring back Cashman, Schultz, Nelson etc.. and sign a Jones or Wilkins/Williams type guy I'm on board. We obviously view Greenard differently and Ryans probably agrees with you. Hope y'all are right.
Jones gonna cost you 21m per for 3 with 1 funny money year. I would sacrifice Greenard for Jones because Jones effects the qb from right in front of the qb. You can get Greenard for 15-18m per. They can do that, it's just in the structure.
 
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I did not say his price was $18 million. I said it would go towards signing him. If his apy was 25 million then 18 could go towards the 25.
What do you pay a edge player to do? You pay him to put the qb on the the ground, correct? Allen has had 28 sacks in his rookie and his last year and 17 sacks in the other 3 seasons. What are we doing with that?
 
This year in a contract year, correct? Let me ask a question, just so you know, I like Allen. Do you need to use pff to see a de getting the qb on the ground? Here I will do you one better, what is Travis Kelce pass blocking and run blocking win rate?
Again your focus and mine are different. An edge does not have to put a quarterback on the ground to be successful. Even sacks while a great measure, are not the only thing. We want the passer to be disrupted so the pass does not hurt us. Alan was one of three Edge Defenders that had over 1,000 snaps and one of five who dropped back in coverage 100 times in career.

PFF is a tool like others things. When I carpenter builds a house, he does not use just a hammer.

Of course it is a contract year as it is with Chris Jones and Greenard or we would not be talking about extensions.

Allen was not successful only in 2023, he had breakout season. Those are the guys I want on my team especially at his age. He would be another Foundation block for years. No he is probably not the best player in the NFL but he is better by far than anyone we have on our team at his position. Also significantly, he would keep us from using a high draft pick for an edge.
 
I wouldn't bring Schultz back. Just me, but I would target Sanders in the 2nd or 3rd and maybe sign Fant for 1 yr. Nelson and Cashman at of course the right price
I would bring back Schultz, but try to sign a guy like Fant who are good blocking TE's to pair with Schultz. Stroud and Schultz seemed to have good chemistry.

But if you could sign Henry and Fant for 15 mil total, I would let Schultz walk and I think Stroud in short order could develop chemistry with them. I also would bring Saubert back and draft a TE with one of the 7ths. Guys I like late are Issac Rex/Baylor Kupp/Dippree. Gotta be able to able to block.

I'm hoping Jordan can take over Beck's role full time. I would cut Beck, also looking forward to seeing what Hairston can do. He reminds me a little of Jusczyk (SP?)
 
What do you pay a edge player to do? You pay him to put the qb on the the ground, correct? Allen has had 28 sacks in his rookie and his last year and 17 sacks in the other 3 seasons. What are we doing with that?
I'm drafting Braswell in the 2nd rd and using that money to sign Williams or Wilkins. I dont think Jones is realistic. I'm also bringing back Barnett and Sanders. I'm betting Barnett/Braswell together can give you what Greenard did maybe even more lining up next to a beast like Wilkins or Williams.
 
What do you pay a edge player to do? You pay him to put the qb on the the ground, correct? Allen has had 28 sacks in his rookie and his last year and 17 sacks in the other 3 seasons. What are we doing with that?
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As I said, I pay him to disrupt the quarterback. Sacks are great even better strip fumbles that lead to touchdowns but those are rare. The fact that Allen had two very good years with sacks is just gravy for the chicken. His quarterback pressures also are extremely important. Also with that is just the threat that a quarterback is going to have to be aware of him as JJ Watt was so successful at. Allen across from Will Anderson would be amazing especially if we have Chris Jones and Malik Collins between them.
 
I would bring back Schultz, but try to sign a guy like Fant who are good blocking TE's to pair with Schultz. Stroud and Schultz seemed to have good chemistry.

But if you could sign Henry and Fant for 15 mil total, I would let Schultz walk and I think Stroud in short order could develop chemistry with them. I also would bring Saubert back and draft a TE with one of the 7ths. Guys I like late are Issac Rex/Baylor Kupp/Dippree. Gotta be able to able to block.

I'm hoping Jordan can take over Beck's role full time. I would cut Beck, also looking forward to seeing what Hairston can do. He reminds me a little of Jusczyk (SP?)
I have been surprised at the number of folks I have seen off this board who think Schultz should not be brought back. I have him on a 3-year 30 million package with 9 million signing bonus and no other guaranteed money. His blocking was ranked at 60 plus or better for five straight years and as a 28-year-old PFF was 72.8%. I no longer have the link but I did read that of his targets he caught 70% which is extremely valuable to our quarterback. Averaging a first town every catch at 70% accuracy is really, really good.
 
I'm drafting Braswell in the 2nd rd and using that money to sign Williams or Wilkins. I dont think Jones is realistic. I'm also bringing back Barnett and Sanders. I'm betting Barnett/Braswell together can give you what Greenard did maybe even more lining up next to a beast like Wilkins or Williams.
Braswell from Alabama is very likely and Dorlus with his stats and passes defended round three would be good. Collins this season and what we know about Tank and his recovery for 2024 suggests that a move for Brenden Rice in round 4 would leave us able to pick a excellent cornerback in round 1. I still see Jones as a very likely free agent for us.
 
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As I said, I pay him to disrupt the quarterback. Sacks are great even better strip fumbles that lead to touchdowns but those are rare. The fact that Allen had two very good years with sacks is just gravy for the chicken. His quarterback pressures also are extremely important. Also with that is just the threat that a quarterback is going to have to be aware of him as JJ Watt was so successful at. Allen across from Will Anderson would be amazing especially if we have Chris Jones and Malik Collins between them.
Can you show me a high paid edge rusher who don't get sacks? The mere fact you can put the qb on the ground is the metric in which these guys are paid and drafted. It's one of the reasons Clowney bounces from team to team. He's disruptive, physical vs the run, and gets pressure,but guess what he doesn't do what Khalil Mack, Garrett, Watt, Hunter,Crosby,and Hendrickson can do? Get the qb on the ground. It's tangible and nobody has to cone up with analytics to explain it. If you're paying a guy 17m plus in a 17 game season, you're expecting 12-16 sacks every year. Again, I like Allen, but the same production numbers are questionable like it seems with Greenard.
 
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I'm drafting Braswell in the 2nd rd and using that money to sign Williams or Wilkins. I dont think Jones is realistic. I'm also bringing back Barnett and Sanders. I'm betting Barnett/Braswell together can give you what Greenard did maybe even more lining up next to a beast like Wilkins or Williams.
Sanders is under contract. They claimed him off waivers. Who is Williams you speak of? Why you think Jones is unrealistic?
 
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Braswell from Alabama is very likely and Dorlus with his stats and passes defended round three would be good. Collins this season and what we know about Tank and his recovery for 2024 suggests that a move for Brenden Rice in round 4 would leave us able to pick a excellent cornerback in round 1. I still see Jones as a very likely free agent for us.
Rice was in struggle street today at the senior bowl
 
I would bring back Schultz, but try to sign a guy like Fant who are good blocking TE's to pair with Schultz. Stroud and Schultz seemed to have good chemistry.

But if you could sign Henry and Fant for 15 mil total, I would let Schultz walk and I think Stroud in short order could develop chemistry with them. I also would bring Saubert back and draft a TE with one of the 7ths. Guys I like late are Issac Rex/Baylor Kupp/Dippree. Gotta be able to able to block.

I'm hoping Jordan can take over Beck's role full time. I would cut Beck, also looking forward to seeing what Hairston can do. He reminds me a little of Jusczyk (SP?)
I wouldn't spend 15m on medicre minus upside at te. I'd rather take Fant for 7m and draft Sanders. Play Jordan as the h-back. They're never going to be a full tilt running team. They need to be good enough to run a 4 minute offense when winning late. They were 23rd this year even with the injuries and the waste of time with Pierce. They need to be able to run for 125 ypg which makes them top 15
 
Braswell from Alabama is very likely and Dorlus with his stats and passes defended round three would be good. Collins this season and what we know about Tank and his recovery for 2024 suggests that a move for Brenden Rice in round 4 would leave us able to pick a excellent cornerback in round 1. I still see Jones as a very likely free agent for us.
I dont think Rice makes it out of rd 3. I've got him as a late 2 early 3. He's going to put on a show at the combine/Sr. Bowl.

If you're sitting there in late rd 3 and Irving/Rice are on the board which one do you take? I'm Picking Irving and signing Edwards-Helaire/McKinnon for about 4 mil total and re-creating the Chiefs backfield.

Look in the Sr. Bowl thread and I gave where I think the WR class falls. Given those choices who would you pick?
 
Sanders is under contract. They claimed him off waivers. Who is Williams you speak of? Why you think Jones is unrealistic?
Leonard Williams DT NYG/Sea.

Good to know about Sanders, I see him as a quality depth piece.

Jones is going to want 4 yrs 120 mil with 100 guaranteed. I hope I'm wrong, but the Texans org has never swam in this pond before.
 
Saquon Barkley just came off of a one-year prove it deal and reportedly was upset that the Giants did not allow those incentives to be met. Not sure he's going to want to do that again. Also when you say resign Howard, are you talking about moving some money into the future to lower his cap hit?

Yes, rearrange the deal in some way to help with cap space. As for Barkley, he was very upset about the Giants and the tag. A rumor is that he is getting tagged again. But, as frustrated as he was I think he will be allowed to walk. And IF he is if I'm Nick Caserio I sign him to a decent deal and tell him "Don't try to create before you get to the hole. Do it after and we will pay you more in 2yrs." LOL it's true he lost way too many yards going backwards to get a spot to run. Just let the OL open up or not.
 
Yes, rearrange the deal in some way to help with cap space. As for Barkley, he was very upset about the Giants and the tag. A rumor is that he is getting tagged again. But, as frustrated as he was I think he will be allowed to walk. And IF he is if I'm Nick Caserio I sign him to a decent deal and tell him "Don't try to create before you get to the hole. Do it after and we will pay you more in 2yrs." LOL it's true he lost way too many yards going backwards to get a spot to run. Just let the OL open up or not.
Id be ecstatic with signing Barkley or Jacobs.
 
Yes, rearrange the deal in some way to help with cap space. As for Barkley, he was very upset about the Giants and the tag. A rumor is that he is getting tagged again. But, as frustrated as he was I think he will be allowed to walk. And IF he is if I'm Nick Caserio I sign him to a decent deal and tell him "Don't try to create before you get to the hole. Do it after and we will pay you more in 2yrs." LOL it's true he lost way too many yards going backwards to get a spot to run. Just let the OL open up or not.
wait for oline to open up?
Say what
Sa quan.
 
Derrick Henry for one year 5-6 million would intrigue me. Barkley is the prize of the class and I would love him in steel blue if the price is right, but I’m usually not a big fan of spending a lot on a rb. Let’s see what tricky Nicky does.

Right now the NFL is not a big fan of spending a lot of money on a RB. With all the holes the Texans need to fill I wouldn’t be spending a lot there either. I do think they need to try and get Motor back though.
 
Id be ecstatic with signing Barkley or Jacobs.

Biggest impact to the win total next season would be signing a stud RB. Another perk I expect is the willingness it seemed for Slowik to go with a workhorse RB. Singletary had the lion’s share of carries down the stretch and every opportunity to get in the rhythm RB1s need to be successful.

These FA RBs are all alphas who want to be the workhorse. Give them that opportunity on an offense that will allow them to run against a light front.
 
Everyone on board with either of Jacobs, Barkley or Henry as a FA RB if $ right?
I would rather spend the FA money on the defense and draft offense. Although there's a case to be made to add a LB/CB/S/edge through the draft and add a RB/WR in FA.

If given a choice would you rather add Barkley/Jacobs or Evans if they choose to use FA money on play makers?
 
I would rather spend the FA money on the defense and draft offense. Although there's a case to be made to add a LB/CB/S/edge through the draft and add a RB/WR in FA.

If given a choice would you rather add Barkley/Jacobs or Evans if they choose to use FA money on play makers?
I just don't think we're limited to that choice. I think at least three excellent defensive players and at least two offensive players if not three can be brought on under the salary cap in free agency.
 
I just don't think we're limited to that choice. I think at least three excellent defensive players and at least two offensive players if not three can be brought on under the salary cap in free agency.
You can do this , but it will be at the expense of not having quality depth pieces.
 
Everyone on board with either of Jacobs, Barkley or Henry as a FA RB if $ right?
Im out on Henry. Not a back with great vision or patience...more of a bruiser back that needs downhill momentum to be truly effective and the titans have run the hell out of him...how much tread is left on those tires???
 
Here are the Texans top free agents..........Who do we keep?........Who do we punt?:

Jonathan Greenard, Sheldon Rankins, Dalton Schultz, Steven Nelson, Ka'imi Fairbairn, Cameron Johnston, Jon Weeks, Blake Cashman, George Fant, Devin Singletary, Tavierre Thomas, Denzel Perryman, Noah Brown, Eric Murray, Jerry Hughes, Derek Barnett, Michael Deiter

Moderation Edit to Attach list of Texans 2024 free agents

2024 Texans Free Agents

I honestly didn't know that Hughes was still playing lol. Ravens will gladly take Greenard
 
Im out on Henry. Not a back with great vision or patience...more of a bruiser back that needs downhill momentum to be truly effective and the titans have run the hell out of him...how much tread is left on those tires???
I don't know, enough tread to end up with 12 TDs and 1200 yards less than a month ago?
I am concerned about age also as with Mike Evans.
I think I hear Ryans asking Slowik if he can scheme similar stats for these 2 players.

As Meghan Trainor sang, it's all about the bass er bucks
 
I would only go one year, but I’m onboard with Henry. He’s also an underrated pass catcher and I feel he still has some gas in the tank. Re-sign Singletary, draft a RB in round 3 or 4 and call it a day.

There’s some other FA RBs that intrigue me, like Clyde in KC, Austin Ekeler, and a couple of others. I’d be pretty shocked if Nick doesn’t sign a guy that projects as a starter or worst case, a guy that can split Carrie’s with Motor. But I’m hoping they will go a notch or two above and get a bell cow. This is a good year for FA RBs and it’s hard to imagine another position upgrade that will do more for this offense.
 
And to add to my post above, notice I didn’t mention DP. I’d attempt to trade him for a 5th and 6th…or a single 4th. Not sure if there would be a taker, but we are missing 5th and 6th rd picks so I’d attempt to recover them in a DP trade. At worst, he should fetch at least the 5th alone.
 
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And to add to my post above, notice I didn’t mention DP. I’d attempt to trade him for a 5th and 6th…or a single 4th. Not sure if there would be a taker, but we are missing 5th and 6th rd picks so I’d attempt to recover them in a DP trade. At worst, he should fetch at least the 5th alone.
Nah - I think teams may be leary of his regression this year for whatever reason.
By all means, if you can get a 4th, go for it.
 
I would only go one year, but I’m onboard with Henry. He’s also an underrated pass catcher and I feel he still has some gas in the tank. Re-sign Singletary, draft a RB in round 3 or 4 and call it a day.

There’s some other FA RBs that intrigue me, like Clyde in KC, Austin Ekeler, and a couple of others. I’d be pretty shocked if Nick doesn’t sign a guy that projects as a starter or worst case, a guy that can split Carrie’s with Motor. But I’m hoping they will go a notch or two above and get a bell cow. This is a good year for FA RBs and it’s hard to imagine another position upgrade that will do more for this offense.
I would go cheap at RB. Edwards- Helaire and either McKinnon or Motor. Then after watching today's Sr. Bowl game Bailey really impressed me.
 
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Nah - I think teams may be leary of his regression this year for whatever reason.
By all means, if you can get a 4th, go for it.
I would take a 6th for Pierce and trade the 6th and a couple of 7ths to move up into the 5th.
 
Im out on Henry. Not a back with great vision or patience...more of a bruiser back that needs downhill momentum to be truly effective and the titans have run the hell out of him...how much tread is left on those tires???
This is not accurate. He is a patient runner,then he comes downhill. They had the worse ol in football and he still had a good year. He still break off runs too.
 
This is not accurate. He is a patient runner,then he comes downhill. They had the worse ol in football and he still had a good year. He still break off runs too.
How often does he break those runs off now??? Is it at the rate of...say 2 yrs ago?? Nope. And how come you give him the credit of not having a good Oline when our Oline was in tatters all years and held together with ducktape and bandaids and yet yall criticize DP about not being good and fitting our system...
Seems like yall are enamored with a name and production of years past and willing to make excuses for some but not for others.

That game of 17 total rushing yards against our hurt defense must have really impressed yall.
 
How often does he break those runs off now??? Is it at the rate of...say 2 yrs ago?? Nope. And how come you give him the credit of not having a good Oline when our Oline was in tatters all years and held together with ducktape and bandaids and yet yall criticize DP about not being good and fitting our system...
Seems like yall are enamored with a name and production of years past and willing to make excuses for some but not for others.

That game of 17 total rushing yards against our hurt defense must have really impressed yall.

I'd really prefer not to repeat the Ahman Green experiment.
 
How often does he break those runs off now??? Is it at the rate of...say 2 yrs ago?? Nope. And how come you give him the credit of not having a good Oline when our Oline was in tatters all years and held together with ducktape and bandaids and yet yall criticize DP about not being good and fitting our system...
Seems like yall are enamored with a name and production of years past and willing to make excuses for some but not for others.

That game of 17 total rushing yards against our hurt defense must have really impressed yall.

People always fall in love with big name players who are has beens or darn close to being a has been. Anyone remember the love that Julio Jones was getting from fans all around the NFL when he was very clearly on his last leg? Or AJ Green?
 
People always fall in love with big name players who are has beens or darn close to being a has been. Anyone remember the love that Julio Jones was getting from fans all around the NFL when he was very clearly on his last leg? Or AJ Green?
I said the exact same thing and even used the Julio Jones as an example!!!
 
How often does he break those runs off now??? Is it at the rate of...say 2 yrs ago?? Nope. And how come you give him the credit of not having a good Oline when our Oline was in tatters all years and held together with ducktape and bandaids and yet yall criticize DP about not being good and fitting our system...
Seems like yall are enamored with a name and production of years past and willing to make excuses for some but not for others.

That game of 17 total rushing yards against our hurt defense must have really impressed yall.

That performance vs Texans was Texans dominant vs their oline. From a total, he's 2nd in breaking tackles, yards after contact. Top 15 in 10+,20+,30+,and 40+ runs. How much dies he have? I see 3 1200 yd 10 td seasons because in Houston he will be running against a light box. Something he's never seen in Nashville. When the Texans have a 4 or 5 point lead under 4 minutes left, that heavy dose of Henry coming down hill is going to ice the game. In response to Pierce, as hard as he runs, he doesn't know how to run to daylight. Even last year I watched him miss a lane and just put his shoulder down vs making a cut and gaining 10 more yards. I knew once they brought in the inside/outside zone he was going to struggle. Henry can run Ina zone or power scheme. He's proven that.
 
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Wanna know why they became injury prone? Age. You always want to be on the right side of getting a player in his prime versus hoping the player doesn't start declining due to age right after you sign them
AJ had 1100 yds in 3 seasons before he left Cincy. Julio had 700 yds and missed 6 games. Tell me how this relates to Henry?
 
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AJ had 1100 yds in 3 seasons before he left Cincy. Julio had 700 yds and missed 6 games. Tell me how this relates to Henry?

You're far more likely to incur injuries once you get to certain ages as a player. RBs, doubly so. One used up like Henry? It's a bet.
 
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