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Injury Discussion Thread

IDEXAN said:
After being named on the all-rookie team last year, Petre's NFL career was off in the right direction so what happened this year when Demeco came in as the new HC ? Just got in coach's dog-house or what ?
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He may be trusting his instincts more than his coaching & QBs are baiting him. If the pass rush doesn't pressure the QB Pitre is going to be in a lot of no win situations.
 
Still no identification of the 3 "phantom" practices which is NFL-mandated to happen in half of the last 6 games. That brings up the question "how does a concussed player clear the Protocol in such a week when contact is not permitted?"..............do they get a "phantom clearance"? :shades:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Still no identification of the 3 "phantom" practices which is NFL-mandated to happen in half of the last 6 games. That brings up the question "how does a concussed player clear the Protocol in such a week when contact is not permitted?"..............do they get a "phantom clearance"? :shades:
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Not saying it makes sense, but here is a nugget from Phase 5 that covers what you are referencing:

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NFL Return-To-Participation Protocol

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For the avoidance of doubt, if a player-patient cannot participate in practice or full contact with other players due to the time of year and/or rules imposed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement, simulated contact activity will suffice to satisfy this Phase.
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KoolAid Sipper said:
Not saying it makes sense, but here is a nugget from Phase 5 that covers what you are referencing:

www.nfl.com

NFL Return-To-Participation Protocol

The official source for NFL news, video highlights, fantasy football, game-day coverage, schedules, stats, scores and more.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com
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It indeed makes no sense. Also the time interval between stages no longer being a set period, but mostly determined by the club team physician also makes no sense.

You then also have to ask yourself............how does a QB ever get contact-proven in stage 5 and safely cleared for game play, especially in an arbitratively determined accelerated progression throught the stages...........since QB contact is never allowed in practices?????

The importance of these short cuts becomes evident when understanding that, according to the NFLPA, only ~50% of the N.F.L.'s diagnosed concussions are self-reported or reported by teammates...........even by "smart" players. No matter what a player may say, especially with upcoming important games, many have compromised their accurate reporting of symptoms to facilitate their play...........as a number off symptoms cannot be detected by objective exams or tests.
 
Texansphan said:
Looks like Texans could receive a nice influx of stars back off IR.
Looks like 7 of them.
Hopefully they are all good to go 100%
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Well first of all, nobody on that injury report is on IR. Secondly, the Texans have reached their allotted amount allowed to return from IR. Even if the Texans make it all the way to the SB, nobody is coming back from IR.
 
Speedy said:
Well first of all, nobody on that injury report is on IR. Secondly, the Texans have reached their allotted amount allowed to return from IR. Even if the Texans make it all the way to the SB, nobody is coming back from IR.
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Okay Mr. Speedy - return to participation.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
My concern is that pain is the body's way of telling you that it is damaged. Especially an unrehabbed high ankle sprain can easily cause joint instability (many times evolving to chronic), which can lead to ongoing pain, swelling, and grinding of the ankle articular cartilages, with eventual arthritis. Not all stretched/torn ligaments go back to original normal short length, and can be the cause of future recurrent sprains. I hope that a short term "satisfaction" does not evolve into long term damage and debility.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741578474341400587
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I used to believe that there was a difference between pain and injury. Having had 1 joint replacement and needing 3 others, I see the folly of my ways. 54 yo me would slap the shite out of 24 yo me.
 
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DocBar said:
My concern is that pain is the body's way of telling you that it is damaged. Especially an unrehabbed high ankle sprain can easily cause joint instability (many times evolving to chronic), which can lead to ongoing pain, swelling, and grinding of the ankle articular cartilages, with eventual arthritis. Not all stretched/torn ligaments go back to original normal short length, and can be the cause of future recurrent sprains. I hope that a short term "satisfaction" does not evolve into long term damage and debility.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741578474341400587


I used to believe that there was a difference between pain and injury. Having had 1 joint replacement and needing 3 others, I see the folly of my ways. 54 yo me would slap the shite out of 24 yo me.
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I remember more than once John Harris reported during TC that WA was slipping often when rushing the passer. I seem to remember him saying something like his bend was so low and he was getting pushed down too easily at times. I have no clue what causes high ankle sprains but it makes me wonder if his rushing technique might be a contributing factor?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Woods was knocked out of the Titans game with a hip injury.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Tunsil suffered an adductor tear. He will not be rehabbed by the Colts game. That doesn't mean they won't try to trot him out there. If they do, I can't see him completing the game.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Noah Brown suffered a hip injury that forced him out of the Titans game. What bothers me is that he has a history of groin tears and chronic groin pain for which he missed 3 games in 2021 and 4 games the beginning of this year.

Hip and groin injuries are commonly interchanged in descriptions since adductors are considered hip flexors. Adductor/groin strains are the most common injury accounting for almost 25% of all hip injuries. Groin pain is also a common symptom in hip labral tears and other hip problems.
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So, our little ray of sunshine is back at it again.

:(
 
Ktexan68 said:
CND- do you think we need a new strength and conditioning leader and a complete revamp of our program? This **** seems insane to me.
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An excellent question. It certainly makes our strength and conditioning suspect. Another very much overlooked and underemphasized extremely important factor in causation of injuries (especially when they occur wholesale) is the careful re-evaluation of the person directing the choice of footware from game to game, from field to field, from weather to weather and from player to player.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
An excellent question. It certainly makes our strength and conditioning suspect. Another very much overlooked and underemphasized extremely important factor in causation of injuries (especially when they occur wholesale) is the careful re-evaluation of the person directing the choice of footware from game to game, from field to field, from weather to weather and from player to player.
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These soft tissue injuries happening so frequently and coming in buckets are extremely frustrating. Now that the coach and culture are in place, I’m hoping the Texans organization reevaluates everything else this off season. Strength and conditioning, playing gear (including footwear) and even their nutritional programs. There is a root cause or multiple root causes of all of this.


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CloakNNNdagger said:
An excellent question. It certainly makes our strength and conditioning suspect. Another very much overlooked and underemphasized extremely important factor in causation of injuries (especially when they occur wholesale) is the careful re-evaluation of the person directing the choice of footware from game to game, from field to field, from weather to weather and from player to player.
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Realistically, that applies to about every team in the league, right? Unless there are specific stats that show otherwise, a Titans fan might feel the same about Titans, or a Falcons fan might feel the same of the Falcons. It’s just a very violent game of attrition involving nothing but sheer luck.
 
Marcus said:
Realistically, that applies to about every team in the league, right? Unless there are specific stats that show otherwise, a Titans fan might feel the same about Titans, or a Falcons fan might feel the same of the Falcons. It’s just a very violent game of attrition involving nothing but sheer luck.
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I don't believe that you have followed NFL injuries very closely this season. Here is one list trying to compare teams' significant injuries. The Titans come close. But the Houston Texans are at the very top of the top 5.
 
Sweech said:
Who is most at risk for re-injury or some kind of potential permanent damage should they play?

(Obviously not including those already ruled out)
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All the "QUESTIONABLES" are likely to have setbacks in their injury progress.......none are likely to incur additional permanent damage. But of equal importance, they all face the significant risk of lessening or ruling out participation in subsequent games should the Texans make the playoffs.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
All the "QUESTIONABLES" are likely to have setbacks in their injury progress.......none are likely to incur additional permanent damage. But of equal importance, they all face the significant risk of lessening or ruling out participation in subsequent games should the Texans make the playoffs.
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Do you think Will A did himself a misservice playing with a incompletely healed ankle?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
All the "QUESTIONABLES" are likely to have setbacks in their injury progress.......none are likely to incur additional permanent damage. But of equal importance, they all face the significant risk of lessening or ruling out participation in subsequent games should the Texans make the playoffs.
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None likely to incur additional permanent damage...
And that's why I think they will play vs Indy.
If Texans win, players have a little more time to improve for next game. If team loses all players have lots of time to improve. I think players and team and most fans are okay with it.
 
badboy said:
None likely to incur additional permanent damage...
And that's why I think they will play vs Indy.
If Texans win, players have a little more time to improve for next game. If team loses all players have lots of time to improve. I think players and team and most fans are okay with it.
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I'll agree with most of your statements. But on its face, the bolded is somewhat disingenuous. Whether the damage is permanent or not, if the player coming off of injury [most of whom would come into this game with a already compromised rehab] re-injures/extends his injury/or incurs a compensatory injury [all which are significant risks], he undoubtedly will significantly require more time than just one week to rehab adequately for any subsequent games [should we be so fortunate].

Most of the players we are discussing, even without specific re-injury, etc., they will incur expected trauma and potentially setback simply by playing in the game before they should.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I'll agree with most of your statements. But on its face, the bolded is somewhat disingenuous. Whether the damage is permanent or not, if the player coming off of injury [most of whom would come into this game with a already compromised rehab] re-injures/extends his injury/or incurs a compensatory injury [all which are significant risks], he undoubtedly will significantly require more time than just one week to rehab adequately for any subsequent games [should we be so fortunate].

Most of the players we are discussing, even without specific re-injury, etc., they will incur expected trauma and potentially setback simply by playing in the game before they should.
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But then you are saying they need more than one week to rehab "ADEQUATELY ".

We both know that is not happening this season no matter how far the Texans go.
 
badboy said:
But then you are saying they need more than one week to rehab "ADEQUATELY ".

We both know that is not happening this season no matter how far the Texans go.
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Looks like you're just Hell-bent to ignore the point to my post. When injuries are not rehabbed and are continued to be played on, the damage is additive and rehab requirements are even higher while the time allowed for rehab for that additional damage is even shorter................and then there are real risks for long-term permanent damage to our players and our team.

We are not a "well-established" team about to reach the pinnacle. We are a young team in the building of a future. The last thing we need is to diminish or lose players important to our longer-term goals.

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Rich Schmidt said:
Woods seemed gametime decision, so suspect a full week + day he can go. Doc said Noah has a crack in a vertabrae, painful but not threatening for further injury. Maybe on him. Tank Dell is ready to go in Metchie's uni, kidding!
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Thanks. Fingers crossed
 
Rich Schmidt said:
Woods seemed gametime decision, so suspect a full week + day he can go. Doc said Noah has a crack in a vertabrae, painful but not threatening for further injury. Maybe on him. Tank Dell is ready to go in Metchie's uni, kidding!
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Wish the IR activation #'s reset for the playoffs to get Tank back. Stupid it doesn't.

Maybe something the rules committee should look at for the future. This league wants and needs it's superstars for playoffs and national television. No reason to just keep them out if they can go.
 
Sweech said:
Wish the IR activation #'s reset for the playoffs to get Tank back. Stupid it doesn't.

Maybe something the rules committee should look at for the future. This league wants and needs it's superstars for playoffs and national television. No reason to just keep them out if they can go.
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I could get behind this, especially since the regular season is over.
 
Sweech said:
Wish the IR activation #'s reset for the playoffs to get Tank back. Stupid it doesn't.

Maybe something the rules committee should look at for the future. This league wants and needs it's superstars for playoffs and national television. No reason to just keep them out if they can go.
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41 days for broken tibia?
 
badboy said:
41 days for broken tibia?
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First of all, from what I've found, Dell suffered a distal fibula ankle fracture. If these fractures are treated without surgery, which is the case in 50% of these fractures (I have had no indication that he underwent surgery), the average return to play is 9-10 weeks. This is as opposed to a mid shaft fibular fracture which averages 5-6 weeks.
 
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