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Injury Discussion Thread
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Ward has had only one other documented concussion............and that was in Nov 2016, for which he did not miss the following game.
Hit appearance does not always predict extent of concussions..............concussions are like snow flakes.............may look the same but are all somewhat different.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I've been asked why players feel Metlife Stadium turf is such an unusually hard surface.
Metlife stadium has a slit-film turf. The NFL justifies this turf because it holds up so much better than the classic monofilament turf.................something they point to as being important since the field is being used by 2 teams routinely.
Here is the difference in structure...........the slit-film turf requires much less rubber pellets...........something that adds to softness and to "give" to player's cleats. A turf that is harder lends to concussions.............a turf that does not give lends to lower extremity injuries.
Turf Fibers
Most synthetic turf is made of one of the following three fiber types:
Single-strand monofilament fibers
1. Monofilament
Single blades of fiber that stand up straight, sometimes with a thickened spine or edges to help them stand on end. Monofilament turf is the best looking turf because the blades stay upright longer. It can be great for baseball because the upright fibers lend themselves to a slower ball roll, but the nature of individual fibers means there tends to be more infill splash, so it may not be ideal for soccer.
The Verdict: Ideal for baseball, football or lacrosse.
Honeycomb-like slit film fibers
2. Slit Film
Extruded tape-like flat strands that are sliced (slit) forming a honeycomb-like fiber. Once the turf system is installed, the tops of the strands break apart (or ‘filibrate’) creating a more natural looking surface. Slit film turf holds up to high use activity better than monofilament. It tends to provide a faster ball roll and less infill splash.
The Verdict: Ideal for soccer and multi-use fields.
3. Hybrid
The best of both worlds: hybrid systems include a combination of monofilament and slit film turf fibers.
The Verdict: Great for soccer and multi-use athletic fields.
Metlife stadium has a slit-film turf. The NFL justifies this turf because it holds up so much better than the classic monofilament turf.................something they point to as being important since the field is being used by 2 teams routinely.
Here is the difference in structure...........the slit-film turf requires much less rubber pellets...........something that adds to softness and to "give" to player's cleats. A turf that is harder lends to concussions.............a turf that does not give lends to lower extremity injuries.
Turf Fibers
Most synthetic turf is made of one of the following three fiber types:
Single-strand monofilament fibers
1. Monofilament
Single blades of fiber that stand up straight, sometimes with a thickened spine or edges to help them stand on end. Monofilament turf is the best looking turf because the blades stay upright longer. It can be great for baseball because the upright fibers lend themselves to a slower ball roll, but the nature of individual fibers means there tends to be more infill splash, so it may not be ideal for soccer.
The Verdict: Ideal for baseball, football or lacrosse.
Honeycomb-like slit film fibers
2. Slit Film
Extruded tape-like flat strands that are sliced (slit) forming a honeycomb-like fiber. Once the turf system is installed, the tops of the strands break apart (or ‘filibrate’) creating a more natural looking surface. Slit film turf holds up to high use activity better than monofilament. It tends to provide a faster ball roll and less infill splash.
The Verdict: Ideal for soccer and multi-use fields.
3. Hybrid
The best of both worlds: hybrid systems include a combination of monofilament and slit film turf fibers.
The Verdict: Great for soccer and multi-use athletic fields.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Somehow my complete post did not post...........look at it again above, following the addition.
Am I posting this in the correct thread? I sometimes drink too much and forget which one is correct.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It's the correct thread!!
Do they have to declare when it's a phantom practice?There are only 3 weeks remaining............and the Texans have not yet identified a phantom practice this year.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Everybody is talking about Stroud's concussion, but what about Ward's concussion?
This is a good point. Ward is very much the QB of the D. It's not the same D when he's not in there.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
First of all, refer to MY POST IN THE INJURY THREAD. When a contact practice does not happen, phantom practice / injury reports are posted anticipating the player's level of participation IF the practice had normally taken place.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I'd still be worried of Collins' calf, after again practicing today, if he plays Sunday...........re-injury vs compensatory injury.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Surprised Ward cleared protocol so quickly. Hope he doesn’t get a repeat concussion like Stroud may have had.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Stroud did not have a "repeat" concussion.
Looks like Ward will play on Sunday.
@CloakNNNdagger do you think Ryans being a former player will affect any of the medical decisions as far as when players return to play? By this, I mean him understanding what it's like to try and play through injury?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It's either that or he decides to try to pull out all of the stops to obtain wins. I hope he keeps a non reckless player safety mentality, and not the latter.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
And Nico Collins
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Remember.........this is Collins' SECOND calf injury............the first occurred Nov 5 and resulted in 1 missed game. Again, I am concerned with his return without a full week of full participation in practice.
Ahem, pardon me said the kettle to the pot
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Yet… this topic pops up routinely while being deleted. Yeah sure keep telling yourself it’s “easier” and “less confusing”. It’s most definitely not easier nor less confusing for me.
*shrugs*
All good. I and most of us here absolutely appreciate everyone’s efforts here regardless. Thanks to everyone.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I swear, if that f***ing MetLife turf has scrambled our QB’s brain I will personally burn that shithole down.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Yeh, the chance of reinjury is a concern, but this is a critical game. A must win. From the players perspective, if you can play, you play,
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Definitely not easy. You want to respond to a post in the injury thread, but it’s not easy to copy the post into the other thread.
a bit of trouble for the mods, but I don’t mind. One of the things we agreed to when we started the discussion thread. I just wish Doc would be a little more patient. We’re not always checking those threads. But when I get around to checking on the board I generally move everything I see as soon as I see it.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I saw in the injury thread report that Fant still listed as a hip injury but one of the radio heads I don't remember which one as I was punching buttons and talking to somebody also in the car, said he was at practice today. Can anybody confirm that?
Edit: thought I posted this couple of days ago but just found it as unposted.
Edit: thought I posted this couple of days ago but just found it as unposted.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Sone sensibility. Thank you for the courtesy response.
Okay… maybe a little more patience would be helpful on CnD’s end but I also see his side on having them moved faster so people -don’t- lose the thread… which is what usually happens… a discussion begins… it’s gone on for a while… then the thread is moved and CnD starts getting antsy. I appreciate the extra legwork by you guys on that part. Just wish it wasn’t so annoying and derailing as threads disappear all the time. Man… it’s just easier to leave them alone… but I’ll shut up about it if others shut up too.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
You don’t have to copy and paste anything. You hit the quote button at the bottom of the post you want to address. It’s saved automatically. Go to the discussion thread and hit insert quotes at the bottom of the reply box, type your response. Post reply. Done. Pretty simple.
@CloakNNNdagger , is Nico Collins looking at possible calf surgery this offseason?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Surgery is rarely indicated for calf muscle tear treatment as the muscles do not tend to fully separate. In most cases, whatever grade, the muscle will knit back together on its own over a several weeks to even months.
If this fails to happen after 4-6 months of conservative treatment or the calf rupture is severely impacting function, an orthopedic surgeon can sew the two sections back together. But calf muscle tears do not lend themselves very well to surgical repair because muscle tissue does not hold sutures very well without some degree of tearing through the tissue...........sometimes much like trying to sew wet toilet paper.
In the case of Collins, if there was a complete tear of his calf muscle, he would not be able to practice at all. So that leaves us having to be patient as he continues conservative rehab.
These last 3 games are essentially playoff games. Isn't it great to be playing meaningful games in December/January.
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CnD, I'm worried about Perryman's Achillies injury. They are shorthanded at LB and from what I've read when a guy has an injury like this, there's not only a great chance foe re-injury but a worse form of the re-injury. Tearing the damned thing?
Any thoughts or updates on Cashman?
Any thoughts or updates on Cashman?
I've been asked why delete posts in the Injury thread, rather than move them. I have moved dozens of posts from that thread a month. With some posters, the notion of posting in the discussion thread didn't sink in. So if they realize the post will be deleted in the Injury thread, maybe they will make a better effort to post in the correct thread. Again, trying to keep it fair and simple.
LMAO
@steelbtexan , glad I could be of service.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I'm sure he would have (or should I say should have) had an MRI to diagnose a partial tear of the Achilles. If it were positive, he would be out for at least 6-12 weeks...........and with even a partial tear in an elite player, most would recommend surgery anyway. More likely, he has developed a chronic tendonopathy. Up to 44% of players returning after an Achilles tendinopathy end up with a recurrence of the injury. Once diagnosed, rehab recommendations can be as long as 12 to 20 weeks.
I don't see any way he is productive this soon with any correct Achilles diagnosis.
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Porky
Hall of Fame
I find it ironic keeps making rules to enhance player safety, but they apparently have no issues letting guys play on a concrete slab in NJ. If CJ was playing on a better surface, his concussion very likely wouldn’t have been as severe. And we also lost numerous other guys on that shitty surface. Heck you can barely tap a QB on the shoulder on your way by without a flag, but hey just slam his head into a piece of concrete. No problem.
someone make this duplicity and hypocrisy make sense.
someone make this duplicity and hypocrisy make sense.
This is what I've been trying to say.
If I was an owner none of my key players would play on that surface until they replaced it. If I had to take a L so be it. I'm not putting my investment at risk.
TexansFan15
All Pro
CJ Stroud Concussion
I just read this article this morning. I think because he hit his head so hard in MetLife that the turf vs grass issue should really be brought to the forefront. He’s missing multiple games because of this concussion. All stadiums should be switched to grass for player safety.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It's all about $$$$$$$. The owners have figured out the it is much more expensive to maintain grass vs turf..........repair/replace grass as it's worn down, every couple of weeks/months/year vs repairing and replace turf the recommended every 10-20 years. This is not even to mention the signficant cost of and difficulty of allowing different venues to be used or temporarily be converted...............grass vs turf.
BTW, the Colts and Bengals stadium still have used split film turf this season.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Plus, he got his bell rung pretty good against the Cardinals..
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Understood. Fair for the collective but also unfair. I get it though. I’m just on the wrong side of the fence. It sucks because -my- biggest problem is how I’m able to view this website. It limits how I can navigate this page. Guess I’ll post less in the injury threads because they’ll continue to get deleted. Oh well.
Can't you just quote and then change threads and select insert quotes?
Or you could just move them and save all of the trouble. Delete away.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
No sir. Hate tapatalk. Worst app ever. I’m on the website directly. Check my previous post history. You can most definitely see me mucking up quotes over and over and over and over. I’m talking hundreds of edits to correct my post over the past few months. I have low vision but I don’t really want to share that publicly.
Agreed!