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CloakNNNdagger said:
A missed glenoid fracture on MRI is not very likely, but possible. In my opinion, what is more likely is that his rotator cuff injury which stabilizes and tightly maintains the humoral head in the glenoid fossa (see pic in my above post and the pic below) was minimized. There was hesitance to call the rotator cuff injury a tear. With a tear, healing can occur, the involved tendon(s) can heal stretched. This can allow for return to throwing, but because a looser attachment cannot keep the ball in the socket as tightly/reliably.............and a dislocation can more easily occur...............potentially resulting in a glenoid rim fracture (with associated labrum and articular cartilage).........the injury that has occurred. And if a player is brought back sooner than should be, which I believe occurred, the rotator cuff tear can continue to stretch, leaving even less stability to the joint........and thus even greater risk for dislocation.

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If I’m reading this right WD40 won’t be performing any reach arounds while “in service” and he’ll not be able to hold his favorite “baby pose” for quite a while…….
 
austins23 said:
They’ve got Steelers, Bengals, Rams, Jags, Bears, Broncos, Texans and Jets. Not necessarily in that order.
they could easily get 4 more wins out of that schedule even with the Roughneck Legend PJ Walker at QB
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I cant see me rooting a Browns win against the Jags.
 
sandman said:
Technically last three years...

Is it wrong that I feel a bit of shadenfreude right now?
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Not at all
CloakNNNdagger said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1724789054427034052
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Watson's style of play has caught up with him.

A glenoid (the socket of the shoulder ball and socket joint) fracture occurs when the shoulder dislocates and a fragment of the joint goes with it. A fracture involving the glenoid results in an irregular portion of the joint surface. Unless the joint surface is perfectly aligned after the dislocation is back in joint, the fragments are usually treated by surgery........such is the case here.

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Many of these fractures are associated labral damage and articular cartilage damage. The full extent of Watson's shoulder injury will not be known until surgery. Such fractures are also associated with earlier than usual degenerative osteoarthritis. Expected rehab will usually take ~6 months. But return to pre-injury performance (which many times is not achieved) may take up to 1 year. The Browns are saying that a full recovery is expected. I'm curious as to how they define "full recovery."
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Yep, I was hoping he would keep on playing hurt so this dumbazz would ruin his career.

But you're telling me there's a chance his career might be irreparably damaged even if does make it back on the field. Couldn't happen to better people. Truckstop Hoes/cheats Haslams, both Jimmy/Dee and their Pervert Boy toy. Get it up in there.
 
Hear me out guys, the best person to come in for Watson to help the Browns THIS YEAR is none other than... Davis Mills! He's worked with Watson before, and would be an excellent backup for him next year! He's cheap, just 1.4m and 1.6m next year, so he would be a great get for the Browns, all they have to do is give up a conditional 2nd or 3rd and they can have him. It's a win-win!
 
This should get the Browns to .500 ball. A defense can only take you so far (as we know). Those close wins the Browns have been pulling out should start going away as the defense loses steam because the offense is running out of playmakers.

I’m not here to pile on Watson’s playmaking ability. There are plenty here that can do that. But the fact is, the Browns invested a significant portion of their salary cap into the QB position and now that player can’t play. This is a significant disadvantage, not unlike the Culley-led Texans season when they were paying the perp to ride the pine.
 
TheRealJoker said:
This should get the Browns to .500 ball. A defense can only take you so far (as we know). Those close wins the Browns have been pulling out should start going away as the defense loses steam because the offense is running out of playmakers.
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Chubb and Watson out for the year is disastrous for the Browns, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went .500 in their remaining games to finish 10-7. Of course my preference is for them to lose out for our draft purpose.
 
TheRealJoker said:
This should get the Browns to .500 ball. A defense can only take you so far (as we know). Those close wins the Browns have been pulling out should start going away as the defense loses steam because the offense is running out of playmakers.

I’m not here to pile on Watson’s playmaking ability. There are plenty here that can do that. But the fact is, the Browns invested a significant portion of their salary cap into the QB position and now that player can’t play. This is a significant disadvantage, not unlike the Culley-led Texans season when they were paying the perp to ride the pine.
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I get all the negatives on this guy but his condition hopefully will put a little levity in the football world on how to handle that position. But I doubt it. The only redeeming quality in that guy that I appreciate is that he’s pretty much kept his selfishness internal and he never really spread his entitled life and philosophy all over social media like a lot of other football idiots do.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Hear me out guys, the best person to come in for Watson to help the Browns THIS YEAR is none other than... Davis Mills! He's worked with Watson before, and would be an excellent backup for him next year! He's cheap, just 1.4m and 1.6m next year, so he would be a great get for the Browns, all they have to do is give up a conditional 2nd or 3rd and they can have him. It's a win-win!
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The trade deadline passed on Halloween.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Watson's style of play has caught up with him.

A glenoid (the socket of the shoulder ball and socket joint) fracture occurs when the shoulder dislocates and a fragment of the joint goes with it. A fracture involving the glenoid results in an irregular portion of the joint surface. Unless the joint surface is perfectly aligned after the dislocation is back in joint, the fragments are usually treated by surgery........such is the case here.

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Many of these fractures are associated labral damage and articular cartilage damage. The full extent of Watson's shoulder injury will not be known until surgery. Such fractures are also associated with earlier than usual degenerative osteoarthritis. Expected rehab will usually take ~6 months. But return to pre-injury performance (which many times is not achieved) may take up to 1 year. The Browns are saying that a full recovery is expected. I'm curious as to how they define "full recovery."
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I don't think its a style if play. It really shows how brutal football is. You can speak on this better than most, is this related to the prior injury? I mean he never looked the same after lowering his shoulder vs I think Pittsburgh. Joe Burrow is out with torn ligaments in his wrist. Rodgers with the Achilles as us Cousins. It's been a rough year on the qb's
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't think its a style if play. It really shows how brutal football is. You can speak on this better than most, is this related to the prior injury? I mean he never looked the same after lowering his shoulder vs I think Pittsburgh. Joe Burrow is out with torn ligaments in his wrist. Rodgers with the Achilles as us Cousins. It's been a rough year on the qb's
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I spoke to this previously. Even though the Browns have said that this is a new injury, I believe that this is unlikely.>

CloakNNNdagger said:
A missed glenoid fracture on MRI is not very likely, but possible. In my opinion, what is more likely is that his rotator cuff injury which stabilizes and tightly maintains the humoral head in the glenoid fossa (see pic in my above post and the pic below) was minimized. There was hesitance to call the rotator cuff injury a tear. With a tear, healing can occur, the involved tendon(s) can heal stretched. This can allow for return to throwing, but because a looser attachment cannot keep the ball in the socket as tightly/reliably.............and a dislocation can more easily occur...............potentially resulting in a glenoid rim fracture (with associated labrum and articular cartilage).........the injury that has occurred. And if a player is brought back sooner than should be, which I believe occurred, the rotator cuff tear can continue to stretch, leaving even less stability to the joint........and thus even greater risk for dislocation.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
Amazing coming from the Akron Beacon Journal which iniatially tried to cover for him.

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Well, isn’t that too bad about Deshaun Watson. And by too bad, I mean a giant dose of much-deserved karma for both Watson and the Cleveland Browns.

Before you come after me for reveling in someone else’s misfortune, let’s remember that Watson is an unrepentant sexual predator, having settled lawsuits with more than 20 women who detailed unwanted touching and/or sexual harassment by the quarterback. Despite this, the Browns gave him a $230 million contract that was fully guaranteed, the most guaranteed money ever for an NFL player, and then defended the move by saying what Watson had done wasn’t that bad and the women weren’t worthy of sympathy, anyway.


So spare me any outrage at not feeling bad for Watson or the Browns following Wednesday’s news that the quarterback will miss the rest of the season with a fracture in his throwing shoulder. His career isn’t over and he’ll still get paid, and the Browns will lose like they always do — though at least this time they’ll have an excuse.

The women Watson harassed and abused, however, had their lives combed through and their motives and characters questioned. The pain of that will be with them forever, as will the anger and frustration that Watson was able to go merrily on his way without any real repercussions.


And no, an 11-game suspension doesn’t count when you’re still getting your fat paychecks and no one requires you to make amends for your abysmal behavior.


“We’re devastated, we’re disappointed for Deshaun,” Browns general manager Andrew Berry said Wednesday.

Actually, some of us have been waiting two-plus years for the universe to exact its payback on Watson and the Browns.




Watson’s misdeeds weren’t minor, regardless of Browns owner Jimmy Haslam’s attempts to portray them that way. He wasn’t caught speeding. He didn’t break team curfew. He didn’t get into a fight at a bar. He sexually violated women. Dozens of them.

According to the complaints against him, Watson exposed himself during massages and touched therapists with his genitals. He threatened at least one of the women, suggesting he could ruin her career if she told anyone.


While it’s true two grand juries declined to indict Watson — do some research on the difficulty in bringing charges in sexual-abuse cases before you think that clears him — a police detective said in a deposition in one of the civil cases that she believed his behavior was criminal. The NFL’s independent disciplinary officer, a former U.S. district judge, determined Watson had a “sexual purpose” for the appointments.

“Watson reached out to women whose professional qualifications were unknown and unimportant to him,” Judge Sue L. Robinson wrote in her August 2022 decision that Watson had violated the NFL’s personal-conduct policy.

“He insisted on using a towel, increasing the probability of exposure. He insisted on having the therapists focus on areas of his body that not uncommonly triggered erections. And he engaged in this pattern of conduct multiple times,” Robinson wrote.

“I find this sufficient circumstantial evidence to support the NFL’s contention not only that contact occurred, but that Mr. Watson was aware that contact probably would occur, and that Mr. Watson had a sexual purpose — not just a therapeutic purpose — in making these arrangements with these particular therapists.”

Had Watson not been Watson, an elite NFL quarterback capable of leading a team to the playoffs, a damning finding like that probably would have cost him his job. Maybe even his freedom. Certainly his reputation.





Instead, the Browns rewarded him with a historic contract and, after an NFL-imposed timeout that didn’t even last three-quarters of a season, he returned as if nothing had happened.

“I’ve always been able to stand on my innocence and always said I never assaulted or disrespected anyone,” Watson said, defiantly, in August 2022. “But at the same point I have to continue to push forward with my life and career.”

Watson is not the first athlete to do wrong. Michael Vick spent 21 months in federal prison for his involvement in a dog-fighting ring. Ray Rice lost his career after punching his then-fiancée out in an elevator.

The difference is Vick and Rice recognized what they had done was wrong. They apologized and have spent the time since trying to make up for it. Watson has learned nothing. He hasn’t tried to make amends because he doesn’t see a need to. These women were disposable to him. Their only value was to give him pleasure and sexual gratification, and he did not care that he did not have their consent and was doing them harm.

And Watson thought he got away with it. Until his season ended because of an injury suffered during his best game in a Browns uniform.

Karma, as the old saying goes, remains undefeated, and Watson earned every bit that he got.

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Karma remains undefeated as Deshaun Watson, Browns finally get their comeuppance

Deshaun Watson will miss the rest of the season with a fracture in his throwing shoulder. Feels like payback for his sexual misconduct against women.
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Dejaview said:
I get all the negatives on this guy but his condition hopefully will put a little levity in the football world on how to handle that position. But I doubt it. The only redeeming quality in that guy that I appreciate is that he’s pretty much kept his selfishness internal and he never really spread his entitled life and philosophy all over social media like a lot of other football idiots do.
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Two remaining outstanding lawsuits tend to glue loose lips.
 
Although details of Watson's injury have not been officially revealed, I have found out that as I suspected, he sustained a glenoid fracture which included the labrum and the articular cartilage. This is a pretty rare injury. One thinks of a fracture being easy to fix.........a labrum easy to fix............and articular cartilage easy to reapproximate.

However, it is very difficult to stabilize a glenoid fracture. Furthermore, repairing the labrum in such an injury is much more difficult and much less predictable in its final result than a labrum without a fracture. Lastly, anytime a fracture includes articular cartilage, the cartilage is forever affected. The greatest problem with Watson's set of injuries is that it would be ideally best to repair the injury in a significant delayed fashion to let inflammation and swelling recede. However, specifically with this combination of injuries, significant delay to surgery would lead to the real worry of shoulder stiffness. Next there is the quandry of when to begin rehab..............the labrum requires early range of motion..............while the fracture requires delayed range of motion exercises, with it's associated risk of stiffness. Shoulder stiffness in a QB's throwing shoulder...........any stiffness, can be very limiting of performance. And remember, everything can heal perfectly................and still ultimate performance can be less than ideal to catastrophic.

I expect to hear that Watson is to have surgery in the next week or so.

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Browns' Watson has surgery; rehab to start Fri.

Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson had right shoulder surgery Tuesday in Los Angeles and is expected to begin rehabbing Friday and be ready to play before the start of the 2024 season.
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BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson underwent surgery Tuesday to repair the displaced fracture to the glenoid in his right shoulder, the team announced.

The surgery was performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache in Los Angeles and deemed successful. Watson is expected to begin rehabbing Friday and be ready to play before the start of the 2024 season.
 
JB said:
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Browns' Watson has surgery; rehab to start Fri.

Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson had right shoulder surgery Tuesday in Los Angeles and is expected to begin rehabbing Friday and be ready to play before the start of the 2024 season.
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BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson underwent surgery Tuesday to repair the displaced fracture to the glenoid in his right shoulder, the team announced.

The surgery was performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache in Los Angeles and deemed successful. Watson is expected to begin rehabbing Friday and be ready to play before the start of the 2024 season.
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Let's understand that "successful" at this point can only mean that the fractured segment was successfully repositioned. Nothing can be said regarding the shoulder's functional success or future performance success. The latter remain in significant question.
 
10 Browns miss practice on Wednesday
By Mike Florio

Published November 29, 2023 08:26 PM

As the Browns prepare to face the Rams on Sunday, 10 Cleveland players didn’t practice on Wednesday.

Not practicing due clearly to injuries were quarterback Dorian Thompson-Robinson (concussion), cornerback Denzel Ward (shoulder), safety Juan Thornhill (calf), guard Wyatt Teller (calf), running back Kareem Hunt (groin), and receiver Marquise Goodwin (concussion).

For other players did not practice with the joint designation of “not injury related — rest” and an injury designation: guard Joel Bitonio (rest, knee), receiver Amari Cooper (receiver, ribs), defensive end Myles Garrett (rest, shoulder), and tight end David Njoku (rest, knee).

Six other players are on the injury report: tackle Geron Christian (full practice; finger); defensive tackle Jordan Elliott (limited practice; ankle); cornerback Mike Ford (full practice; ribs); defensive end Ogbo Okoronkwo (limited practice; groin); linebacker Sione Takitaki (limited practice; knee); and linebacker Anthony Walter (limited practice; hamstring).

The most important player to the team’s chances, both this week and beyond, is Garrett. On Wednesday, coach Kevin Stefanski expressed optimism about his ability to play. Which implies that his absence from practice had more to do with the shoulder than with giving him rest.
 
JB said:
So you're going to branch it out to include Pilot and other Haslam holdings?
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I think it's proper to let it be known the Cleveland franchise is ran by a POS and why he's a POS . This way posters can see exactly why the Haslam's would have no issues trading for a known Sexual Predator.

Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't running a brothel out of his truck stops.
 
leebigeztx said:
This is the can't let go thread. Now Myles Garrett is in the Watson thread. Mods should move all this to nfl thoughts thread. Next thing Mayfield and Manziel will be in here. Smh
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The thread is supposed to be about the Watson trade. And the Browns still owe picks to the Texans, so the thread is still topical, as is the status of the Browns. But, that is over after the 2024 draft and Cleveland will be in the rearview mirror for good.

As unsettling as this whole Watson situation has been, 2023 has shown the Texans are in a better place than they were with Watson. A better coach (finally), a better QB, and a better chance at winning at championship. So it makes sense that this thread will die someday. Just not yet.
 
Lucky said:
The thread is supposed to be about the Watson trade. And the Browns still owe picks to the Texans, so the thread is still topical, as is the status of the Browns. But, that is over after the 2024 draft and Cleveland will be in the rearview mirror for good.

As unsettling as this whole Watson situation has been, 2023 has shown the Texans are in a better place than they were with Watson. A better coach (finally), a better QB, and a better chance at winning at championship. So it makes sense that this thread will die someday. Just not yet.
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Exactly. The team is trending upwards, yet all things Browns are here. We should be happy they got rid of everything associated with the dumpster fire from the last 3 years. Jmo
 
austins23 said:
Speaking of Manziel...he was a no show at a large fund raising event in Corpus Christi couple nights ago. Folks paid thousands of dollars to be there and he flat out no showed!
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If someone makes a deal with a snake and the snake goes on to do snake things I'm probably gonna look first at the someone who was dumb enough to want to deal with a known snake..
 
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