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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

 
badboy said:
JJ is the metric for Anderson? How about TJ or Bosa?
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I wanted to get a former Texans player and the producition of both Clowney and Mario fell short of my expectations for what we
should receive for the draft capital we paid for the 'Bama guy.
 
IDEXAN said:
I wanted to get a former Texans player and the producition of both Clowney and Mario fell short of my expectations for what we
should receive for the draft capital we paid for the 'Bama guy.
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:deadhorse
 
beerlover said:
Guess you missed earlier discussion -



Let that little nugget sink in. It’s the packaged combination of franchise QB with franchise edge #2 & #3. With franchise QB (Stroud) off the board, a bigger fish on the line for a franchise QB halted that discussion. Opening window for teams interested in a non QB (Will Anderson) to move up. Texans probably graded Will #1 overall on their board, that would make sense to me & Texans had draft capital nobody else could beat. Texans kept real quiet about their interest in Stroud, which was key to be able to also add Will Anderson, taking competing teams out.
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Sure of course I've seen that which to me is a rationalization, and a fairly clever one at that, of the very substantial consideration
handed over for our third pick this year as I'm still treating the first round picks as two stand-alone transactions and the massive opportunity cost of our #12 & #32 pics this year plus next years first rounder for the 2023 #3 is prohibitively large IMO.
This trade is likely the most significant in Texans history to date, therefor we will surely revisit it many times.
 
IDEXAN said:
Ok fine you are off subject so I'm also gonna digress myself -
Unless Anderson has an incredible career, like I mean JJ-incredible we paid too much for him because IMO the only college player-NFL rookie non-QB who any team paid that much for I can think of who might have been worth that kind of Draft capital was ATL's draft of Julio Jones.
Care to comment ?
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Forget about the trade.

If the Texans had taken Anderson with the #2 overall pick, would that have been too high?
 
ArmyBengal said:
For me there was always Young and Stroud and I don't think the Texans would have lost out either way.
I'm not sold on Richardson regardless of how fast he is.
Levis was less impressive to me.

Honestly, my favorite QB was Hooker out of Tennessee, but with the knee injury he wasn't going at the top.
As with all things, time will tell who was the better QB. Heck, they could all bust out just as easily.
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...on a side note, the Lions are pretty damn excited about Hooker. He's actually throwing the ball but not much else. Like I projected, had the Texans drafted him, he'd probably be ready to go by mid-season.
 
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Stroud is an example of why I try not to overreact to a draft pick no matter what I may think of the organization and their history of draft picks. And it's pretty much the same as most NFL GM's. They can all make you look really stupid or really smart, and there's no way for sure to know which one it's going to be until you start seeing the players in action.
 
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banned1976 said:
Stroud is an example of why I try not to overreact to a draft pick no matter what I may think of the organization and their history of draft picks. And it's pretty much the same as most NFL GM's. They can all make you look really stupid or really smart, and there's no way for sure to know which one it's going to be until you start seeing the players in action.
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Well, that's no fun. :texans:
 
3 star level players, Stroud/WA/Dell

2 OL at positions that were terrible last yr and are playing well. (Patterson/Scruggs)

A starter/great backup level LB. (To'oto'o)

A physically gifted edge that's already a rotational piece. (Horton)

A developmental big slot (Hutchinson)

Hill appears to be the only miss and he's got athletic ability, he just got hurt.

I dont expet every draft to be this good because rarely does a team have the 2nd/3rd picks in the draft. But if they (Ryans/Caserio) can continue to hit on this level of players in the draft, I expect the Texans to be a top 5 NFL team in the next couple of yrs.
 
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https://theathletic.com/4921432/2023/10/04/nfl-all-rookie-team-predictions-2023-draft/
Which 2023 NFL Draft picks have excelled so far? Our early All-Rookie Team

Quarterback: C.J. Stroud, Texans
Honorable mention: Anthony Richardson, Bryce Young

It has been really enjoyable to watch Stroud carve up NFL defenses the past four weeks. My No. 4 player in the 2023 draft class, the Ohio State product was poised and structurally sound in college, and that has translated nicely to the pro game. His natural rhythm and pacing as a passer are why he has had such a hot start — and why he should be a productive starter for the next decade.

A close second, Richardson has helped the Colts be competitive from Day 1. The passing volatility he’s shown was to be expected for a player with such meager experience — he currently ranks 33rd in the NFL in adjusted completion percentage. Considering he is just scratching the surface, though, the explosive plays (with both his arm and his legs) have been special.

Young obviously falls third among the big three so far, given the number of rookie mistakes he’s made. But anyone who watches his tape can see that he will be just fine, especially once the Panthers give him more help. I can’t wait to see how this three-quarterback race ebbs and flows throughout the regular season. — Dane Brugler

Running back: Bijan Robinson, Falcons; De’Von Achane, Dolphins
Honorable mention: Jahmyr Gibbs, Zach Charbonnet, Roschon Johnson, Tank Bigsby, Tyjae Spears

Wide receiver: Puka Nacua, Rams; Tank Dell, Texans; Zay Flowers, Ravens
Honorable mention: Marvin Mims Jr., Jordan Addison, Josh Downs, Michael Wilson, Jayden Reed, Trey Palmer, Rashee Rice, Ronnie Bell, Dontayvion Wicks

Nacua has been the clear top rookie wideout … just like we all thought, right? He ranks No. 1 among all NFL players in targets (50, tied with Davante Adams) and receptions (39) and is second in receiving yards (501, behind only Justin Jefferson). Somehow, he has found the end zone only once, but that touchdown won an overtime game Sunday. Based on his college film, I gave Nacua a third-round draft grade, but the major variable was his durability. Despite being banged up, he has stayed on the field thus far for Los Angeles, and he landed in a perfect situation with Matthew Stafford.

A pair of “undersized” receivers, Flowers and Dell, deserve to be recognized, too. Flowers is second among rookies in receptions (24) and has been electric with the ball in his hands. He’s also yet to register a drop. Meanwhile, Dell’s 267 receiving yards rank second among first-year players, and his two touchdown grabs are tied for first among rookies. — Brugler

Tight end: Sam LaPorta, Lions
Honorable mention: Luke Musgrave, Dalton Kincaid, Will Mallory, Josh Whyle

Offensive line: Dawand Jones, Browns; Jarrett Patterson, Texans; Steve Avila, Rams; Matthew Bergeron, Falcons; Paris Johnson Jr., Cardinals
Honorable mention: O’Cyrus Torrence, Darnell Wright, Cody Mauch, Chandler Zavala, John Michael Schmitz Jr., Anton Harrison, Joe Tippmann, Peter Skoronski, Atonio Mafi

No surprise to see Torrence on this list — he was ready to go when he was drafted. Avila has had some technical issues, but he fights through every rep and looks like a keeper. After coming off the bench in Week 1, Jones has been near-perfect in pass pro for two of his three starts and has allowed just one QB hit in 154 reps. Bergeron has flashed, and he will continue to improve in Atlanta’s system.

The surprise of the group, perhaps, has been Patterson. He won the starting center job in camp, and, outside of a rough opener against Baltimore, hasn’t had any issues with his below-average length. His play IQ also continues to show up in positive ways. His last two outings (at Jacksonville, vs. Pittsburgh) were his best yet. — Baumgardner

Edge: Will Anderson Jr., Texans; Tuli Tuipulotu, Chargers; Byron Young, Rams
Honorable mention: Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Lukas Van Ness, Keion White, Colby Wooden, Myles Murphy, Zach Harrison

Anderson has made Houston’s aggressive trade to acquire him look like a worthy investment. Of all rookies with 100 or more snaps on the edge, he’s third in total pressures (13) and second in pressure rate (13 percent). His high energy and intensity show up in all facets of his game and have been a boon to this rebuilding Texans roster.

Just like in his final season at USC, Tuipulotu is producing with a relentless motor and hand-fighting skills. He’s second among all rookie edge rushers in total pressures (14) and just a shade behind Anderson in pressure rate.

Young is in the same cluster as Anderson and Tuipulotu, as he leads all rookies in total pressures (16) and pressure rate (15 percent). If he stays healthy, he can be another major steal by the Rams as their roster pivots. — Lee

Defensive line: Jalen Carter, Eagles; Bryan Bresee, Saints
Honorable mention: Gervon Dexter Sr., Kobie Turner, Karl Brooks, Keeanu Benton

Linebacker: Ivan Pace Jr., Vikings; Jack Campbell, Lions; Henry To’oTo’o, Texans
Honorable mention: Marte Mapu, Nick Herbig

There were 24 off-ball linebackers drafted in April. Somehow, Pace wasn’t one of them. I understand why he wasn’t a top-100 draft pick: He is undersized, and scouts had questions about his ability to hold up in coverage or even play special teams in the NFL. But Pace still was too good on his Cincinnati film to go undrafted. His instincts, play speed and overall urgency to affect the game have translated well.

Personally, I voted for To’oTo’o as the second linebacker — he leads all rookies in tackles (27). But I also understand the love for Campbell. He hasn’t been a full-time guy for the Lions just yet, but he has been productive when on the field. — Brugler

Cornerback: Christian Gonzalez, Patriots; Devon Witherspoon, Seahawks; Emmanuel Forbes, Commanders
Honorable mention: Jakorian Bennett, Deonte Banks, Kei’Trel Clark, DJ Turner, Tyrique Stevenson

Nickel/Safety: Brian Branch, Lions; Christian Izien, Bucs
Honorable mention: Jordan Howden

Kicker: Jake Moody, 49ers
Honorable mention: Brandon Aubrey, Anders Carlson, Chad Ryland, Blake Grupe

Punter: Ethan Evans, Rams
Honorable mention: Bryce Baringer, Brad Robbins, Lou Hedley, Ty Zentner

Special teams: Marvin Mims Jr., Broncos
Honorable mention: Charlie Jones, Xavier Gipson, Derius Davis
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steelbtexan said:
3 star level players, Stroud/WA/Dell

2 OL at positions that were terrible last yr and are playing well. (Patterson/Scruggs)

A starter/great backup level LB. (To'oto'o)

A physically gifted edge that's already a rotational piece. (Horton)

A developmental big slot (Hutchinson)

Hill appears to be the only miss and he's got athletic ability, he just got hurt.

I dont expet every draft to be this good because rarely does a team have the 2nd/3rd picks in the draft. But if they (Ryans/Caserio) can continue to hit on this level of players in the draft, I expect the Texans to be a top 5 NFL team in the next couple of yrs.
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The 2023 is going to be better than the 2006 draft.

A GM hitting on the late round selections is the difference between a playoff contending team and a Superbowl contending team.

Which Caserio has shown he can do.
 
pirbroke said:
You know if CJ continues to ball, and with Ryan’s as coach. Free agents are actually going to want to come to Houston. Next offseason may get real interesting


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I am not against signing veteran free agents however, I prefer now going with youngsters in draft and undrafted free agency. I am not too excited about this crop of free agents.
 
badboy said:
Our corner back situation after this season concerns me.
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Why?

If they bring Nelson and Griffin back, Thomas and Arnold look pretty solid and Stingley is a big wildcard. I wouldn't draft a CB before the 4th rd. Try to bring back Nelson and Griffin. Heck, even Arnold has looked pretty good. If I shopped in FA it would be for a guy in Griffins situation last off-season and try to add a developmental guy later in the draft. A Reader type DT and a top shelf LB is more of a need than CB next off-season. IMHO
 
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steelbtexan said:
Why?

If they bring Nelson and Griffin back, Thomas and Arnold look pretty solid and Stingley is a big wildcard. I wouldn't draft a QB before the 4th rd. Try to bring back Nelson and Griffin. Heck, even Arnold has looked pretty good. If I shopped in FA it would be for a guy in Griffins situation last off-season and try to add a developmental guy later in the draft. A Reader type DT and a top shelf LB is more of a need than CB next off-season. IMHO
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I'm not interested in Griffin unless he cranks it up. He's had some moments but...
Nelson is interesting but turns 31 in January. Not over the hill, but definitely on the downside. His connection with Demeco got him here and may keep him but probably for more than I want to pay. He is definitely a solid vet in the backfield and my understanding in the clubhouse which has value. I see him as wanting to get every $ on his last contract. I am just on a go younger kick for now. Tavierre will be going into his seventh season and has really never done much.
 
badboy said:
I'm not interested in Griffin unless he cranks it up. He's had some moments but...
Nelson is interesting but turns 31 in January. Not over the hill, but definitely on the downside. His connection with Demeco got him here and may keep him but probably for more than I want to pay. He is definitely a solid vet in the backfield and my understanding in the clubhouse which has value. I see him as wanting to get every $ on his last contract. I am just on a go younger kick for now. Tavierre will be going into his seventh season and has really never done much.
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Nelson was signed when Lovie was here, not Demeco. Demeco didn’t get him here.
 
badboy said:
I'm not interested in Griffin unless he cranks it up. He's had some moments but...
Nelson is interesting but turns 31 in January. Not over the hill, but definitely on the downside. His connection with Demeco got him here and may keep him but probably for more than I want to pay. He is definitely a solid vet in the backfield and my understanding in the clubhouse which has value. I see him as wanting to get every $ on his last contract. I am just on a go younger kick for now. Tavierre will be going into his seventh season and has really never done much.
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Agreed we need some help long term at CB as Nelson is old and Stingley cannot be trusted to stay on the field. But a couple of things

1. Nelson has been here a couple of years he's not a DeMeco guy and is currently balling out. The end is coming but there's no reason to think you won't get another year or two from him.

2. From what I've heard and read Thomas has been an above average player here in Houston for a few years, just because he's not a household name for us doesn't mean he isn't doing good things. He's a slot corner no doubt but those guys are just as important in today's NFL as outside corners.
 
badboy said:
I'm not interested in Griffin unless he cranks it up. He's had some moments but...
Nelson is interesting but turns 31 in January. Not over the hill, but definitely on the downside. His connection with Demeco got him here and may keep him but probably for more than I want to pay. He is definitely a solid vet in the backfield and my understanding in the clubhouse which has value. I see him as wanting to get every $ on his last contract. I am just on a go younger kick for now. Tavierre will be going into his seventh season and has really never done much.
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You're worried about money, the CB's have performed well this yr and I expect them to perform well for the next couple of yrs, which will give them time to develop young talented CB's that aren't necessarily 1st rd picks. The thing that could change my mind is? Is this a great CB draft? I'm awful at CB evals. BL is about the best on this MB at evaluating DB's. Wonder what he thinks about this yrs CB class?

For me this draft should be about giving Stroud the weapons he needs for this to become an elite offense.

The LB position is the weakest position on the team and I would like to see it addressed in FA and the draft. Also imagine having a guy like Chris Jones/Leonard William or Reader added to the current DT's. Do you think they would make a bigger impact on the defense than signing a CB in FA?

We just have different philosophies on team building, I believe in building from the DL out. You value the CB position more than I do. I think if you can have one good CB and 2 avg CB's to go with an outstanding DL that can put pressure on the QB the DB's dont have to be pro bowl level CB's. Maybe I'm over valuing Thomas, but Ryans kept him and cut King for a reason.
 
TexansBull said:
Nelson was signed when Lovie was here, not Demeco. Demeco didn’t get him here.
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Indeed. They just upgraded it.

texanswire.usatoday.com

Breaking down the Texans' new deal with CB Steven Nelson

The Houston Texans reworked the last year of cornerback Steven Nelson’s contract.
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According to Aaron Wilson from KPRC-TV, the Texans upgraded the contract for Nelson and will pay the nine-year veteran a maximum value of $6.5 million.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Indeed. They just upgraded it.

texanswire.usatoday.com

Breaking down the Texans' new deal with CB Steven Nelson

The Houston Texans reworked the last year of cornerback Steven Nelson’s contract.
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According to Aaron Wilson from KPRC-TV, the Texans upgraded the contract for Nelson and will pay the nine-year veteran a maximum value of $6.5 million.
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Wish they could've got another yr tacked onto the raise they gave him that they didn't have to give him.
 
Khelar said:
Agreed we need some help long term at CB as Nelson is old and Stingley cannot be trusted to stay on the field. But a couple of things

1. Nelson has been here a couple of years he's not a DeMeco guy and is currently balling out. The end is coming but there's no reason to think you won't get another year or two from him.

2. From what I've heard and read Thomas has been an above average player here in Houston for a few years, just because he's not a household name for us doesn't mean he isn't doing good things. He's a slot corner no doubt but those guys are just as important in today's NFL as outside corners.
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I agree you can probably get another year or two out of Nelson but he is not going to want a average contract for those two years. I am very familiar with Tavierre and rooted for him his first season but he is just not done as expected.
 
badboy said:
I agree you can probably get another year or two out of Nelson but he is not going to want a average contract for those two years. I am very familiar with Tavierre and rooted for him his first season but he is just not done as expected.
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Before the injury he was looking darn good.
 
badboy said:
I agree you can probably get another year or two out of Nelson but he is not going to want a average contract for those two years. I am very familiar with Tavierre and rooted for him his first season but he is just not done as expected.
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I can’t speak to what you expected for Thomas but I know Nate Tice from the Athletic (a guy who knows ball no doubt) is very complimentary of him and PFF has graded him out very well over the course of his time here. Personally I don’t watch film of his but I have never noticed him to be a problem which is usually a great sign from a corner. Also DeMeco Ryans keeping him and letting King go is a very positive indicator of how this staff feels about him.

As for Nelson I almost think we’re backed against the wall there. Shaq Griffin has been fine and I would love to see him brought back provided he keeps playing this way but I still see him as solid depth. As far as outside corners go we have Nelson, Shaq, and a guy who can’t stay healthy so we definitely need help, but if you draft a rookie outside the 1st I say you still need to keep Nelson around you don’t wanna just throw a day 2 rookie into the fire.
 
badboy said:
Cleveland pretty much needs to lose out for us to have any shot at mhj
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The Texans biggest job in regards to the 2024 NFL Draft.....keep winning and space that extra Arizona pick (Texans) as far away from their own RD1 pick as possible. This probably forces the Cardinals to go QB with their first pick. It would be interesting if the Cardinals thought MHJ would be the missing piece for Kyler Murray.
 
Lucky said:
I don't think that will matter to Coach Ryans, if Nelson gets the job done.
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TexansBull said:
I wouldn’t say for sure. He is chasing his last contract and wants to get paid, but I wouldn’t count out Demeco. Playing for a coach like that may entice him to stay. Even if he doesn’t like Caserio’s sweater vests.

Being a Mulugheta client anything could happen.
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I agree.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The Texans biggest job in regards to the 2024 NFL Draft.....keep winning and space that extra Arizona pick (Texans) as far away from their own RD1 pick as possible. This probably forces the Cardinals to go QB with their first pick. It would be interesting if the Cardinals thought MHJ would be the missing piece for Kyler Murray.
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agree but I do not anticipate Cards drafting QB in round one due to Kyler Murray's contract. He has to play if he can get on field. Fans are furious now; Murray sitting on bench will not be good. Plus, how will he react if AZ drafts a QB round 1? We have seen starters not handle that well before. There good receivers at the spot Texans former pick will be. I agree Cards may select a WR to help Murray.

My understanding after 4 games Az picks are 1.10 and 1.19. I have them selecting CB Kalen King and WR Keon Coleman.
 
badboy said:
agree but I do not anticipate Cards drafting QB in round one due to Kyler Murray's contract. He has to play if he can get on field. Fans are furious now; Murray sitting on bench will not be good. Plus, how will he react if AZ drafts a QB round 1? We have seen starters not handle that well before. There good receivers at the spot Texans former pick will be. I agree Cards may select a WR to help Murray.

My understanding after 4 games Az picks are 1.10 and 1.19. I have them selecting CB Kalen King and WR Keon Coleman.
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Cards fans will be furious if Murray starts and doesn't do better than Dobbs is doing now
 
JB said:
Cards fans will be furious if Murray starts and doesn't do better than Dobbs is doing now
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Yep but the gamble as I see it is AZ has to risk it on Murray. Lower round QB may get past his wrath but nothing in round 1.
 
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