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badboy said:
I hope DeMeco puts a spy on Richardson as he did not on Lamar Jackson last week.
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We pretty much held LJ and the ravens in check when it comes to the running game...and I dont think indy is as dangerous on the ground compared to balt....so I trust Demeco and his defense to plan against indy accordingly and let the guys do what they do best.
As long as they are playing fast and committed I think we will be fine. Especially with WAJr wrecking the edges and creating havoc with his stunts
 
oh man....what in the heeeeellll?!?!?!
We have to have some kind of curse....we cant ever seem to be healthy or stay that way...its always a revolving door in injured players....smfh
 
sprtsfanatic said:
We pretty much held LJ and the ravens in check when it comes to the running game...and I dont think indy is as dangerous on the ground compared to balt....so I trust Demeco and his defense to plan against indy accordingly and let the guys do what they do best.
As long as they are playing fast and committed I think we will be fine. Especially with WAJr wrecking the edges and creating havoc with his stunts
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Yep but with a scrambling Q, it is not only about the yards he gains, but how defense breaks down allowing complete d passes.
 
Current roster from Texans.com. Of course with the normal Texans incompetence they list 17 players on the practice squad so 1 of those listed is wrong.

--- 53 Man Roster ---

Offense -- 23 Players

WR: Nico Collins -- Tank Dell -- Xavier Hutchinson -- John Metchie III -- Robert Woods
C/G: Kendrick Green -- Jarrett Patterson
G: Nick Broeker -- Shaq Mason
RB: Mike Boone -- Dare Ogunbowale -- Dameon Pierce -- Devin Singletary
TE: Brevin Jordan -- Teagan Quitoriano -- Dalton Schultz
T: George Fant -- Josh Jones -- Laremy Tunsil
FB: Andrew Beck
QB: Case Keenum -- Davis Mills -- C.J. Stroud

Defense -- 27 Players

LB: Blake Cashman -- Jake Hansen -- Christian Harris -- Neville Hewitt -- Cory Littleton -- Denzel Perryman -- Henry To'oTo'o
DE: Will Anderson Jr. -- Michael Dogbe -- Jonathan Greenard -- Dylan Horton -- Jerry Hughes -- Derek Rivers
CB: Alex Austin -- Shaquill Griffin -- Ka'dar Hollman -- Steven Nelson -- Derek Stingley Jr. -- Tavierre Thomas
S: Grayland Arnold -- Eric Murray -- Jalen Pitre -- M.J. Stewart -- Jimmie Ward
DT: Maliek Collins -- Kurt Hinish -- Sheldon Rankins

Special Teams -- 3 Players

LS: Jon Weeks
P: Ty Zentner
K: Ka'imi Fairbairn

--- Practice Squad ---

Offense -- 10 Players

WR: Johnny Johnson III -- Lance McCutcheon -- Steven Sims -- Jared Wayne
C/G: Michael Deiter
G: Dieter Eiselen
RB: Gerrid Doaks
TE: Dalton Keene
T: Austin Deculus
C: Jimmy Morrissey

Defense -- 7 Players

LB: Garret Wallow
DT: Khalil Davis -- Bruce Hector
CB: Cobi Francis
DE: Ali Gaye -- Adedayo Odeleye
S: DeAndre Houston-Carson

--- IR ---

Offense -- 9 Players

WR: Noah Brown -- Jesse Matthews
C/G: Juice Scruggs
G: Kenyon Green
T: Tytus Howard -- DJ Scaife -- Kilian Zierer
FB: Troy Hairston
C: Scott Quessenberry

Defense -- 1 Players

DT: Hassan Ridgeway

Special Teams -- 1 Players

P: Cameron Johnston

--- PUP ---

Offense -- 1 Players

T: Charlie Heck
 
badboy said:
I hope DeMeco puts a spy on Richardson as he did not on Lamar Jackson last week.
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Here's interesting 2022 article addressing this situation.

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Lions LB coach Kelvin Sheppard not a fan of QB spy defense
Despite Eagles QB Jalen Hurts rushing for 90 yards on Sunday, Detroit Lions linebacker coach Kelvin Sheppard does not believe using a QB spy would have been an effective strategy.

By Jeremy Reisman@DetroitOnLion Sep 16, 2022, 1:07pm EDT
badboy said:
I hope DeMeco puts a spy on Richardson as he did not on Lamar Jackson last week.
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Corrosion said:
From what I heard it's a grade 1 rotator cuff injury.

Not a trauma injury but one caused by repetitive use. This could be a long term issue.
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6 weeks of rest usually will do the trick. He doesn't have that, so its going to be throwing on game day... not during the week and a lot of feel good pills for Sunday.
 
corry said:
6 weeks of rest usually will do the trick. He doesn't have that, so its going to be throwing on game day... not during the week and a lot of feel good pills for Sunday.
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That's a regimen recipe for failure for both Stroud's shoulder and his Sunday performance. As far as performance, he is not a veteran and cannot afford not to practice with the team throughout the week.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Cal did not want Stroud. That was a Hannah/Janice collaboration.
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Thanks CND we can always count on you.

This is why I have my doubts about Demeco, he has not come in and made this his team. Like so many other failed HCs that have gone before him, DeMeco is allowing others to make his mistakes for him.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
That's a regimen recipe for failure for both Stroud's shoulder and his Sunday performance. As far as performance, he is not a veteran and cannot afford not to practice with the team throughout the week.
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I don't disagree. I dealt with rotator cuff injuries my whole sports career.

My first occurence with my "grade 1" was in highschool and there was a huge performance drop off.

I was able to keep it away for 2 years. Had I stuck to my "band" work, I probably would have never tore it.

My guess is CJ thought he was out of the woods in 21' and wasn't performing that tedious daily requirement. Only an assumption.
 
Sweech said:
And what makes them better than Stroud?
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Stroud was surrounded by a stable of future Pro Bowl WRs.

Stroud's OL, all will be playing in the NFL.

Stroud had 3 RBs with over 5.0 YPC and avg 190 yards per game.

Ryan Day coddled Stroud with quick outs or crosses over the middle.

It was a 1 read or check down for Stroud.

Knocks on Stroud is he panics under pressure and makes bad decisions.

Stroud scored an “18%” on the S2 cognition test, a cognitive test that focuses on processing and decision-making.

From my personal perspective, I've listened to hours of Stroud pressers and interviews, and he sounds like he is a bit IQ-challenged.

There is no doubt that Stroud is athletically gifted with excellent hand-eye coordination, but does he have the software to operate the machinery?
 
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corry said:
I don't disagree. I dealt with rotator cuff injuries my whole sports career.

My first occurence with my "grade 1" was in highschool and there was a huge performance drop off.

I was able to keep it away for 2 years. Had I stuck to my "band" work, I probably would have never tore it.

My guess is CJ thought he was out of the woods in 21' and wasn't performing that tedious daily requirement. Only an assumption.
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As a pitcher in my youth if I ever gave up 3 hits and more than a run, I was having a bad day. When I tore my rotator cuff I became a batting practice pitcher. Regardless of how much arm rest I had, I could never pitch again.
 
Texian said:
As a pitcher in my youth if I ever gave up 3 hits and more than a run, I was having a bad day. When I tore my rotator cuff I became a batting practice pitcher. Regardless of how much arm rest I had, I could never pitch again.
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I also pitched in HS and college. Fortunately, I was never "blessed" with rotator cuff problem since I threw a submarine pitch. A partial tear of the rotator cuff can really affect a pitcher's career. But the significant weight and more awkward size and shape of a football places even more stress on a QB's rotator cuff. Rotator cuff tendonitis can be managed with unrelenting great awareness and attention to the problem. But the only way for a QB to completely avoid recurrence is to stop throwing the football and take up knitting.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I also pitched in HS and college. Fortunately, I was never "blessed" with rotator cuff problem since I threw a submarine pitch. A partial tear of the rotator cuff can really affect a pitcher's career. But the significant weight and more awkward size and shape of a football places even more stress on a QB's rotator cuff. Rotator cuff tendonitis can be managed with unrelenting great awareness and attention to the problem. But the only way for a QB to completely avoid recurrence is to stop throwing the football and take up knitting.
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How effective is surgery?
 
badboy said:
Yep but with a scrambling Q, it is not only about the yards he gains, but how defense breaks down allowing complete d passes.
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Texian said:
Thanks CND we can always count on you.

This is why I have my doubts about Demeco, he has not come in and made this his team. Like so many other failed HCs that have gone before him, DeMeco is allowing others to make his mistakes for him.
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I was never in support of what they collectively gave up for the the #2 &#3 picks, the price was prohibitively high IMO.
So just draft Stroud or Anderson but not both but for whatever reasons they seemed to be hell bent on being all-in on Stroud ?
Anderson was always a relatively safe pick while any of QBs including the top three(Young, Stroud, Richardson), were going to
be risky to very risky.
 
If we're gonna go down this road of Stroud being injured or out a lot, I'd just as soon see Case take over the team. I'm sure it'd be Mills and not Case, but like seeing to many bad Star Trek reruns, I'm not into watching Mills anymore.
 
Thorn said:
If we're gonna go down this road of Stroud being injured or out a lot, I'd just as soon see Case take over the team. I'm sure it'd be Mills and not Case, but like seeing to many bad Star Trek reruns, I'm not into watching Mills anymore.
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Um, there's no such thing as a bad Star Trek rerun.
 
IDEXAN said:
I was never in support of what they collectively gave up for the the #2 &#3 picks, the price was prohibitively high IMO.
So just draft Stroud or Anderson but not both but for whatever reasons they seemed to be hell bent on being all-in on Stroud ?
Anderson was always a relatively safe pick while any of QBs including the top three(Young, Stroud, Richardson), were going to
be risky to very risky.
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As long as Cal, Hannah, and Janice are making football-related decisions we're screwed!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I also pitched in HS and college. Fortunately, I was never "blessed" with rotator cuff problem since I threw a submarine pitch. A partial tear of the rotator cuff can really affect a pitcher's career. But the significant weight and more awkward size and shape of a football places even more stress on a QB's rotator cuff. Rotator cuff tendonitis can be managed with unrelenting great awareness and attention to the problem. But the only way for a QB to completely avoid recurrence is to stop throwing the football and take up knitting.
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Question for you. I thought part of my rotator cuff problems were a result of me sleeping on my side. These thoughts gained more credence when I read that Atlanta Braves pitchers (Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz) had special pajamas and sheets made where they could button themselves in on their backs and keep them from moving to their sides during the night. Can sleeping on your side be detrimental to your rotator cuff?
 
Texian said:
Question for you. I thought part of my rotator cuff problems were a result of me sleeping on my side. These thoughts gained more credence when I read that Atlanta Braves pitchers (Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz) had special pajamas and sheets made where they could button themselves in on their backs and keep them from moving to their sides during the night. Can sleeping on your side be detrimental to your rotator cuff?
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I don't want to side track this thread. But here are some comments in response to your post. Sleeping on one side has been a debatable factor in creating rotator cuff tendonitis rather than exacerbating an existing cuff injury. Many times, it is caused by inflammation of the shoulder bursa which overlies the rotator cuff structures. But sleeping the side of a cuff that is damaged can increase the pain and progress the damage. One thing that is just as bad a culprit is sleeping on the back which many try to do to avoid the side sleeping. Unless the head of the bed is elevated at the waist or the arm on that side is elevated off the bed, laying on your back will place significant stress on a rotator cuff. BTW, a trick I use with my patients postoperatively to avoid turning on their sides while asleep is to place pillows under each armpit/arm. This can be used for rotator cuff problems also.
 
IDEXAN said:
I was never in support of what they collectively gave up for the the #2 &#3 picks, the price was prohibitively high IMO.
So just draft Stroud or Anderson but not both but for whatever reasons they seemed to be hell bent on being all-in on Stroud ?
Anderson was always a relatively safe pick while any of QBs including the top three(Young, Stroud, Richardson), were going to
be risky to very risky.
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I completely agree. WAJ should have been the pick, and this season should have still been a rebuilding one. However, it was obvious that they were dead set on making a show of it this year, speeding up the clock to get butts in seats, cool the GM’s chair, they couldn’t sell a rebuilding year after completely failing the two years before to do it right, unfortunately receiving a dollar today to pay 1.25 tomorrow is only good in the short term. If the goal is to compete and win a championship there are no quick fixes when the cupboard is nearly empty, they’ve tried one and it sold very well to the fans and the enthusiasm is there. What people aren’t realize is that they have most likely sacrificed the chance at real future successes for the benefit of mere competitiveness this season. The trade up was already incredibly risky for this reason, the roster wasn’t good, the coaches are wet behind the ears, and only a few bad breaks could send them picking high again. Now instead of that being a windfall, a hedge against uncertainty, it’s will just be a reminder of incompetence.


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JB said:
How effective is surgery?
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There is very little literature on this subject for NFL QBs since it is uncommon. Very unpredictable would be an honest response. Those who have undergone the surgery (in the throwing shoulder), return is probably close to 20%..........and return to previous performance is virtually a given to be at best ~50%
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't want to side track this thread. But here are some comments in response to your post. Sleeping on one side has been a debatable factor in creating rotator cuff tendonitis rather than exacerbating an existing cuff injury. Many times, it is caused by inflammation of the shoulder bursa which overlies the rotator cuff structures. But sleeping the side of a cuff that is damaged can increase the pain and progress the damage. One thing that is just as bad a culprit is sleeping on the back which many try to do to avoid the side sleeping. Unless the head of the bed is elevated at the waist or the arm on that side is elevated off the bed, laying on your back will place significant stress on a rotator cuff. BTW, a trick I use with my patients postoperatively to avoid turning on their sides while asleep is to place pillows under each armpit/arm. This can be used for rotator cuff problems also.
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The kind of info you can only get on this site.
 
jradMIT said:
I completely agree. WAJ should have been the pick, and this season should have still been a rebuilding one. However, it was obvious that they were dead set on making a show of it this year, speeding up the clock to get butts in seats, cool the GM’s chair, they couldn’t sell a rebuilding year after completely failing the two years before to do it right, unfortunately receiving a dollar today to pay 1.25 tomorrow is only good in the short term. If the goal is to compete and win a championship there are no quick fixes when the cupboard is nearly empty, they’ve tried one and it sold very well to the fans and the enthusiasm is there. What people aren’t realize is that they have most likely sacrificed the chance at real future successes for the benefit of mere competitiveness this season. The trade up was already incredibly risky for this reason, the roster wasn’t good, the coaches are wet behind the ears, and only a few bad breaks could send them picking high again. Now instead of that being a windfall, a hedge against uncertainty, it’s will just be a reminder of incompetence.


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Great post

This is what I've been trying to tell posters since the draft. This has fallen on deaf ears. Probably because they were slurping down battle red kool-aid.
 
JB said:
Probably because it's in the past and nothing can be done by whining about it now. Support your team
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You can still support your team and point out issues and probable failures. In fact if you dont do this you're not an objective fan.
 
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