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Great. Another precedent/reward for holding out........

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Josh Jacobs makes franchise-tag history — and sets himself up for nearly $26 million over two years
By Mike Florio

Published August 26, 2023 02:06 PM

Yes. there’s value in withholding services.
Raiders running back Josh Jacobs proved it on Saturday, emerging with an enhanced one-year deal after staying away from training camp and the preseason for a month.

For the first time in the 30-year history of the franchise tag, a team kicked in more base salary than the player would have earned under the one-year guaranteed tender. Earlier this year, Giants running back Saquon Barkley secured an incentive package above the $10.1 million base rate, with up to $900,000 in incentives. In contrast, Jacobs has a base of $11.8 million, with another $200,000 in incentives.

While it’s unkown whether Barkley could have gotten a similar contract if he’d boycotted practice for a month, Jacobs drew a line in the sand and won.

It helped that Jacobs was truly upset with the team, that it wasn’t an act. When they didn’t pick up his fifth-year option last year and then didn’t make a meaningful long-term offer after a great 2022 season forced the franchise tag, Jacobs was genuinely miffed.

The Raiders still have the ability to tag Jacobs again in 2024. But the one-year price tag will be at least $14.16 million, a 20-percent raise of his salary in 2023. Barkley is on track for a salary of $12.12 million next year, if tagged again.

That’s a potential two-year haul for Jacobs of $25.96 million under the tag. Given the current running back market, that’s a damn good deal.
 
TheRealJoker said:
The 49ers would have at least one Super Bowl now if they didn’t make the Trey Lance trade:

Cowboys acquire Trey Lance: Revisiting 49ers' disastrous draft trade and how other teams involved struck gold

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What a big-time bust and just another example of the big-time perils of "betting the ranch" on somebody from a directional school out in the hinterland that nobody heard of, so atleast our team took a shot at somebody with some credentials
but as we know that's no guarantee either.
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Barnwell: How the 49ers got it wrong with Trey Lance, and why the QB's fit in Dallas is confusing

The 49ers' 2020 trade for Trey Lance can now be considered a disaster. Here's why it will have ramifications for years to come.
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The Trey Lance era in San Francisco is over before it even began. What felt like a dramatic declaration of intent from one of the league's best franchises in March 2021 ended meekly on a depth chart Wednesday and with a trade Friday. After the 49ers confirmed they intend to use Sam Darnold as the primary backup to second-year quarterback Brock Purdy, they dealt Lance to the Cowboys for a fourth-round pick.
the course of 12 months and after playing just five competitive quarters of football, Lance went from being the team's quarterback of the future to a third-stringer, trade candidate and then off the roster. The trade that was supposed to signal
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Great. Another precedent/reward for holding out........

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Josh Jacobs makes franchise-tag history — and sets himself up for nearly $26 million over two years
By Mike Florio

Published August 26, 2023 02:06 PM

Yes. there’s value in withholding services.
Raiders running back Josh Jacobs proved it on Saturday, emerging with an enhanced one-year deal after staying away from training camp and the preseason for a month.

For the first time in the 30-year history of the franchise tag, a team kicked in more base salary than the player would have earned under the one-year guaranteed tender. Earlier this year, Giants running back Saquon Barkley secured an incentive package above the $10.1 million base rate, with up to $900,000 in incentives. In contrast, Jacobs has a base of $11.8 million, with another $200,000 in incentives.

While it’s unkown whether Barkley could have gotten a similar contract if he’d boycotted practice for a month, Jacobs drew a line in the sand and won.

It helped that Jacobs was truly upset with the team, that it wasn’t an act. When they didn’t pick up his fifth-year option last year and then didn’t make a meaningful long-term offer after a great 2022 season forced the franchise tag, Jacobs was genuinely miffed.

The Raiders still have the ability to tag Jacobs again in 2024. But the one-year price tag will be at least $14.16 million, a 20-percent raise of his salary in 2023. Barkley is on track for a salary of $12.12 million next year, if tagged again.

That’s a potential two-year haul for Jacobs of $25.96 million under the tag. Given the current running back market, that’s a damn good deal.
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RBs may not have cache of high round picks yet 2 drafted this year. I read not long ago that college players would choose to switch to other positions rather than RB for future in the NFL. Jacobs extension will encourage those players to remain at RB because of course, they will be as lucky..
 
Bucs center Ryan Jensen goes on IR, out for 2023 season
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    Jenna Laine, ESPN Staff WriterAug 26, 2023, 09:32 PM ET
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Jensen tore his ACL, MCL, PCL, meniscus, and fractured his tibial head and cartilage July 2022, and by some miracle, he not only avoided surgery but made it back 6 months later for the Bucs' wild-card game against the Dallas Cowboys -- eight months ahead of the supposed schedule. The decision making at every turn was not only ill-advised, but stupid by all those involved.

Jensen passed his physical before the start of this past TC. But he never was able to practice. This should tell you how "reliable" passing NFL phyicals are, and how easily they are manipulated.:toropalm:
 
49ers surprised to get a fourth-rounder for Trey Lance
By Charean Williams

Published August 26, 2023 11:08 PM

The 49ers traded three first-round picks and a third-rounder to the Dolphins in 2021 to move up to select Trey Lance with the No. 3 overall pick. While shopping the quarterback two years later, the 49ers expected to get little in return.

None of the early offers the 49ers received for Lance included a fourth-round pick.

“It wasn’t anywhere close,” General Manager John Lynch said, via Eric Branch of the San Francisco Chronicle.

Then, the Cowboys called, and owner Jerry Jones said they wanted Lance so badly they weren’t hanging up the phone. The fourth-rounder Dallas offered San Francisco was a “little better than we anticipated,” coach Kyle Shanahan said.

Shanahan said multiple teams were interested in Lance.

Lynch did not indicate whether the 49ers would have kept Lance had the Cowboys not offered what they offered, but in a radio interview Thursday, Lynch indicated “the most likely option” was for Lance to remain in San Francisco.

“The Cowboys came up big,” Lynch said after the trade. “And I think that’s an indication that they’re excited to have him. And we’re excited for Trey’s new opportunity.”
 

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Anyone see Stetson Bennet stink it up. Dude was awful in operation, picks, accuracy. On the other side, Stidham looked like a solid backup if not above average
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Another game called early due to injury.

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Mike McDaniel: It would be “inappropriate” to keep playing after Daewood Davis injury
By Michael David Smith

Published August 27, 2023 05:04 AM
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Is this trend going to continue into the regular season? Football is a violent sport with consequences that everyone is aware of when they sign up to play. And the audience is aware of when they decide to watch.

What will playoff seeding look like when there’s a Bills/Bengals cancellation every week?
 
TheRealJoker said:
Pretty bad omen for Drake’s career if he can’t make a Colts team without Johnathan Taylor:

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Colts Release RB Kenyan Drake

According to Tom Pelissero, the Colts have released RB Kenyan Drake. He was one of the notable names the team picked up with the various absences at running back this August, so it's notable that
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If he were to be available at a veterans minimum deal…..I wouldn’t mind adding him to the RB group with Pierce and Singletary.
 
Lynch was surprised he got even a 4th for Lance. Between Lance and Solomon Thomas the 49ers have two huge missed in the 1st round that have cost them Super Bowls (assuming they would have drafted Mahomes or Watson instead of Thomas or done pretty much anything differently with the Lance picks).

Those single moves normally get a GM/HC fired. The fact that they are not only retained but are now a “farm system” for other teams poaching their coaches and FO only shows how rarely they actually miss.

This team would do well with the “eff them picks” approach. Because they don’t need those 1st rounders to contend with their success in the late rounds and FA.

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Trey Lance trade: Lynch explains why 49ers gave up on QB

General manager John Lynch detailed why the 49ers decided to part ways with young quarterback Trey Lance on Friday.
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Lynch said the 49ers received multiple offers for Lance. When the conversations started on Wednesday, teams were willing to only send the 49ers late-round picks.

The Cowboys’ offer of a fourth-round selection was the best the 49ers could get, Lynch said.

“It's not what it looked like when we first started having conversations,” Lynch said. “It wasn’t anywhere close. So it did advance in a hurry (Friday).

“I’m not doing cartwheels over it because my preference would've been that it worked out, and it didn’t.”
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Commanders went 3-0 during the preseason, including a win that snapped the Ravens’ long exhibition winning streak. Again, it makes one question how much you can take away from any team's or any player's performance during preseason.
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Nothing. Almost absolutely nothing.

Remember in 2008, the Lions were undefeated in the preseason and turned around and lost every game in the regular season.

Remember in 2011, Cam Newton looked terribad in preseason going 24/57 for 300 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, and 4 sacks and a 64.95 passer rating. In his first game as a pro, he went 24/37 for 422 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT and a 110.4 passer rating. He followed that up by another 400 yard performance (although he had 3 INTs and a more pedestrian passer rating.) He ended up winning OROY.

So, yeah. It's the preseason.
 
Wow, I wonder if NFL commish mom would go on hunger strike for him?
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Luis Rubiales' mother goes on hunger strike in protest of 'bloodthirsty witch hunt'

Luis Rubiales' mother has locked herself inside a church in his hometown and declared that she's going on a hunger strike until her son is vindicated.
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Luis Rubiales' mother has locked herself inside a church in his hometown and declared that she's going on a hunger strike until her son is vindicated.
 
At one point or another, you WILL pay the piper.............

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Bill Belichick: Overspending teams can’t sustain success, eventually you pay the bills
By Michael David Smith
Published August 28, 2023 04:38 PM

Patriots coach Bill Belichick says that big spending sprees in free agency don’t lead to sustained success in the NFL.

Belichick said on WEEI that teams can get a one-year boost by giving players contracts with big signing bonuses and small cap hits in the first year, but eventually that money counts against the team’s salary cap, and those teams end up having a day of reckoning.

“Temporarily you can, but you can’t sustain it, no,” Belichick said, via MassLive.com. “You can’t sustain the 20 years of success that we sustained by overspending every year without having to eventually pay those bills and play with a lesser team. So I think if you look at the teams that have done that, that’s kinda where some of them ended up. Jacksonville back in ‘14, the Rams are going through it, Tampa is going through it now. So, I’m not saying there’s anything right or wrong with it. It’s just a different way of doing things and there’s the results for doing that.”

Asked why the Patriots are near the bottom of the league in the amount of cash they’ll spend on players in 2023, Belichick said that’s not relevant. What’s relevant is the salary cap, which the Patriots will spend to.

“Cash spending isn’t really that relevant. It’s cap spending,” Belichick said. “So teams that spend a lot of cash one year, probably don’t spend a lot of cash in the next year because you just can’t sustain that. So we’ve had high years, we’ve had low years, but our cap spending has always been high. And that’s the most competitive position you can be in. So that’s really — the cash spending, there’s no cash cap. There’s a salary cap and we spend to the salary cap. That’s what’s important.”

Ultimately, Belichick said, people who focus on any one year’s spending are overlooking what really goes into building a roster.

“You can’t look at it in a Polaroid snapshot,” Belichick said. “It’s a multi-year process. So you can overspend one year, and then at some point you’re not going to be able to do that.”
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
At one point or another, you WILL pay the piper.............

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Bill Belichick: Overspending teams can’t sustain success, eventually you pay the bills
By Michael David Smith
Published August 28, 2023 04:38 PM

Patriots coach Bill Belichick says that big spending sprees in free agency don’t lead to sustained success in the NFL.

Belichick said on WEEI that teams can get a one-year boost by giving players contracts with big signing bonuses and small cap hits in the first year, but eventually that money counts against the team’s salary cap, and those teams end up having a day of reckoning.

“Temporarily you can, but you can’t sustain it, no,” Belichick said, via MassLive.com. “You can’t sustain the 20 years of success that we sustained by overspending every year without having to eventually pay those bills and play with a lesser team. So I think if you look at the teams that have done that, that’s kinda where some of them ended up. Jacksonville back in ‘14, the Rams are going through it, Tampa is going through it now. So, I’m not saying there’s anything right or wrong with it. It’s just a different way of doing things and there’s the results for doing that.”

Asked why the Patriots are near the bottom of the league in the amount of cash they’ll spend on players in 2023, Belichick said that’s not relevant. What’s relevant is the salary cap, which the Patriots will spend to.

“Cash spending isn’t really that relevant. It’s cap spending,” Belichick said. “So teams that spend a lot of cash one year, probably don’t spend a lot of cash in the next year because you just can’t sustain that. So we’ve had high years, we’ve had low years, but our cap spending has always been high. And that’s the most competitive position you can be in. So that’s really — the cash spending, there’s no cash cap. There’s a salary cap and we spend to the salary cap. That’s what’s important.”

Ultimately, Belichick said, people who focus on any one year’s spending are overlooking what really goes into building a roster.

“You can’t look at it in a Polaroid snapshot,” Belichick said. “It’s a multi-year process. So you can overspend one year, and then at some point you’re not going to be able to do that.”
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I would be good with the Rams/Bucs model if a Lombardi is in the trophy case down on Kirby. I mean the Texans have lost the last 3 yrs and dont have a ring to show for the losing. Give me a ring and 3-5 yrs of losing and I'm happy. There's a reason more teams dont operate this way.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Having seen a clip of Lions QB Nate Sudfeld's injury play, it is quite possibly an ACL. He was carted off the field. Waiting for confirmation.
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Dan Campbell: Nate Sudfeld seeking second opinion after suffering knee injury

Lions quarterback Nate Sudfeld was carted off the field during Detroit’s preseason finale against Carolina and it sounds like he has suffered a major knee injury.

Head coach Dan Campbell was asked in his Monday press conference if Sudfeld had torn his ACL and declined to confirm that, saying Sudfeld was seeking a second opinion. But Campbell did sound as if Sudfeld is out with a long-term injury when asked about his level of concern for the quarterback.
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Well the suspense is over......the 2nd opinion is in and it confirms the ACL rupture............ACL #16.
 
Titans cornerback Caleb Farley is on the PUP for a significant back issue and will remain so into the season. So he will not be seen until at least week 5. He's only played 12 games in the last 2 season (drafted in 1st round in 2021).
 
Cowboys RG/RT backup Josh Ball injured his hip in Saturday’s final preseason game. The injury is actually a groin/hip soft tissue injury. The Cowboys are reporting that they are trying to decide between IR or not, hoping he can return soon. Don't understand the dilemna. Such injuries don't allow returns before ~2 months.
 
steelbtexan said:
Sad about his dad

Prayers going out for this young man.
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His back issue is a vertebral disc. He injured his L5 disc and suffered a bulging S1 disc resulting in a microdiscectomy before the 2021 draft. Ironically, this is what caused him to fall to the Titans at 22 overall despite being considered a legitimate top-15 prospect when healthy.
 
The Chiefs’ optimism about WR Kadarius Toney’s availability for Week 1 continues, James Palmer of NFL Network reports. It repeats what coach Andy Reid and General Manager Brett Veach have said since Toney’s knee surgery in July.

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It typically takes 6-8 weeks to recover fully from a meniscus repair. But it can take several more months of physical therapy and rehabilitation to ensure your knee has the strength and stability it needs to return to football with minimal risk of reinjury. They are certainly in a rush.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would be good with the Rams/Bucs model if a Lombardi is in the trophy case down on Kirby. I mean the Texans have lost the last 3 yrs and dont have a ring to show for the losing. Give me a ring and 3-5 yrs of losing and I'm happy. There's a reason more teams dont operate this way.
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The Texans did follow the Rams/Buc model.

The Texans said F them picks and traded away picks for Watson and Tunsil. We recently just got back to having first and second round picks.

The spent like drunken sailors and put us in salary cap hell. We just got out of it.

We were all in then 51-7 happened. Then we had to pay the piper with no money and no picks.

Then Easterby and the coaching carousel.

We finally have coaching stability, a GM worth a damn, and a roster that actually looks like an NFL team.
 
TexansBull said:
The Texans did follow the Rams/Buc model.

The Texans said F them picks and traded away picks for Watson and Tunsil. We recently just got back to having first and second round picks.

The spent like drunken sailors and put us in salary cap hell. We just got out of it.

We were all in then 51-7 happened. Then we had to pay the piper with no money and no picks.

Then Easterby and the coaching carousel.

We finally have coaching stability, a GM worth a damn, and a roster that actually looks like an NFL team.
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I didn't see the trades for guys like Ramsey OBJ etc... Did you? They got caught in limbo, they didn't spend money like the Rams or Bucks did and they couldn't draft like the Rams, Bucks did either. Havenstein, Kupp,Akers, Higbee, none were 1st Rd picks. This issue goes all the way back to Casserly. (Poor drafting in rds 2-5.) Of course it didn't help that BOB couldn't develop players.)

Now, I'm of the thought in a couple of years after Stroud gets some experience they should should trade 1st round picks for star level players because 1. Caserio, Ryans seem to be really good at picking players in rds 2-5. 2. After yr 3 David from the inner city is going to hold the McNair's hostage looking for a new contract for Stroud and ruin the Texans cap. So that's the window for this group to win a championship.
 
TexansBull said:
The Texans did follow the Rams/Buc model.

The Texans said F them picks and traded away picks for Watson and Tunsil. We recently just got back to having first and second round picks.

The spent like drunken sailors and put us in salary cap hell. We just got out of it.

We were all in then 51-7 happened. Then we had to pay the piper with no money and no picks.

Then Easterby and the coaching carousel.

We finally have coaching stability, a GM worth a damn, and a roster that actually looks like an NFL team.
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A bad NFL team, but an NFL team nonetheless. At least this year I am confident they could beat any SEC Team.
 
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