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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I was also on the record of wanting to trade Watson and Hopkins…..and start over with Herbert, who I thought all along was a better fit for the offense OB wanted to run.
This recommendation or thought came before Watson shite the bed with the organization and Hopkins was still at the top of his game. Absolutely nothing wrong with cashing in your assets at the tail end of their current deals in order to take a new route for much less money. As a team, you’ve got up to 4 years to determine if you made the right choice. Better to cut your loses than elevate those loses. If that’s the case…..GM and HC should be the ones exiting with the trades.
Give the next GM and staff the draft assets to start new.
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I remember. I argued the other way, a bird in the hand...
Yep,
Some posters value other teams failures as much as they do Texans players success. I find this attitude to be short sighted and sad
Exactly, they weren't going to win a championship with the Clemson trash as the leaders of the team, so sell high and build a true championship contender. Unfortunately the marketing division that is the Houston Texans didn't look at things like we do and are currently paying the price for their myopic views. That's supposing that they really care about bringing a championship to Kirby.
All of the guys you listed had traits that no QB in the last draft have.
There are 3 QB's with those traits in the 2024 draft. IMHO 4 if you can get past Penix injury history.
Skull
Whiskey Is My Religion
Watched the replay this morning. Stroud was not the best, but early on and I think has the traits to be really good in this league...if his OL holds up. Defense was very good and I think can be one of the best in the conference no doubt. Overall, more positives than negatives imo and looking forward to the next one.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
It would appear, after the 1st preseason game, that our defense will be much improved this season. Hopefully. The offense should be better, but that has to be qualified with a big "maybe". The O-line is still very questionable. Looks like the receiver core will be better though.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Number19
Hall of Fame
Good day for both. My concern for Stroud after Thursday's limited action is the estimated time of 3 seconds he's holding onto the ball. This is not good and something he will have to address. Saturday's preseason game #2 will see more playing time for both qbs.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Not sure Hannah and Cal are responsible but for now I choose to give them credit for
1. Not firing Nick
2. Hiring Ryans
3. Supporting the drafting of Stroud no matter who wanted him
4. Supporting the trade up for WA
Moves that have already pleased fans and increased monies.
Bob and Janice should be well pleased.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Constant shifting of centers and QBs whomever calling plays could lead to mistakes and that can be better when regular season initiates.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
#5 -Put the team in a position to win for a long time.
We will have to see if it leads to a Super Bowl.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I was surprised also and commented perhaps Stroud would be back after halftime and then i guessed 4th Q.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Think this class will go down as the system class of QB’s. Those who fit perfectly for the OC’s system. Different skill set.
Pleasing fans is all that matters.
Depends on what you think of Stroud. They will win more games and some will get what they want, to be entertained. That's what's most important to the McNair's.
Imagine if Crane had that attitude when Luhnow was rebuilding the Stros. If he would have gone along with the let's be entertained before the rebuild was finished Crane wouldn't have the current dynasty they have treated this city too.
It's two totally different mindsets of ownerships. One was solely focused on building a team that could win championships. The other does things to keep the fans happy.
And not even close to being as good as the Burrow, Herbert class. The only QB in that class that has a chance to be as good as the Herbert class is Richardson.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Burrows has gotten close, but he seems brittle. Chargers have invested everything in Herbert, contract, offensive line, and WR, will see, I remain hopeful but honestly feel Slowick system is better than Kellen Moore’s.
It amazes me the mental gymnastics that go on about the draft. People believe a coach and GM are going to come out and say "We wanted to bring in competition for 2023, and if needed draft a QB next year, but the owner stepped in and made us draft a QB and give up multiple draft picks to draft the person we really wanted."
Burrow tore his ACL as a rookie and made a SB behind a terrible ol. He got the crap beat out of himself. I would hardly call that brittle.
We can only hope Slowik can devise a system to help Stroud play to his strengths, because he doesn't have Burrow, Herbert physical traits or ability. I guess there's about a 20-30 % chance that you can work around dumb and that's being optimistic.
Porky
Hall of Fame
You say these things like they must be mutually exclusive.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
He doesn’t have Burrow’s WR’s either. Burrow’s receivers helped cover for a bad OL. Burrow probably doesn’t have that kind of season if he was strapped with the 2022 Texans receiving group.
They are just two different visions of how to build a franchise and what's important to each owner, one owner was willing to take the heat from the fan base to build a dynasty, the other isn't and really only cares about their next billion
Remember the Stros 0.0 tv ratings? You think the McNair's would be like Crane in that situation?
I think Scruggs is going to be the real deal.
Out of curiosity. When in NFL history has a team decided trade their young QB and WR duo who are considered at least top 10 talents at their positions by many GMs, HCs and media? We make this trade proposal like it's something that's done routinely by NFL teams and the Texans failed to make the trade. So, when has it happened?
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Exactly what did the marketing division fail to do that any other competent NFL team would have done with the Clemson trash? Can you give an example of a team that did exactly what you are proposing and built a championship contender? You don't have to provide any links.
Top 10 QB's get traded Stafford
Top 10 WR's get traded Diggs and OBJ.
I will go old school for you if you're looking for 1 team that traded their QB and best receiver in a 2 year span, Stabler and Casper to our very own Oilers.
It happens, I just hope they've learned from their mistakes and stop drafting Clemson trash, you can add South Carolina to this list too. Doubtful they learned a damned thing.
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That's not my question. You have a team with a top 10 QB and WR. Name a team that traded BOTH players. Not just a QB or a WR. Both players.
Plus those teams that traded their top talent didn’t even make it to the SB. The other team benefited more.
The Raiders and the Oilers trade Stabler and Casper.
Yes I know that Casper was a TE.
BTW, what's wrong with taking out the trash, even if it means doing things differently. You know differently like Crane and Luhnow did?
Since you were never going to win a championship with the trash, the smart move would have been to move on. But when is the last time the Texans org ever did anything smart or out of the margins?
Wait. You have to go back to 1980 to find a team doing what you wanted the Texans to do? Again, at that point. Was Stabler even consider a top 10 QB or old and washed up? With the Oilers he threw 27 TDs and 46 INTs and any time he felt the pass rush, he would go fetal so fast, he made Brady look courageous standing up to pressure up the middle. The Oilers did not get a top 10 QB.
BTW. Nothing is wrong with taking out the trash. Since it's such a smart move, surely many NFL teams get rid of their top 10 offensive talents. I'm just trying to understand why you think the marketing division refused to do something that is supposedly being done on a regular basis and need you to give some examples.
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Exactly. Trading Hopkins to start building a Super Bowl roster with David Johnson? How does that benefit the Texans? You can't even write that sentence without laughing.
Maybe I expect the teams I root for to be cutting edge like Luhnow. I may be expecting too much but I want the Texans to be run like Luhnow ran the Stros, win at all costs and take no prisoners attitude. I know that's an impossibility with a McNair owned franchise.
In a league of 30 teams, what does top 10 even mean?
You look at conference championship appearances and it's a select group of 4-5 routinely making appearances.
Okay. Fine. Ignore the top 10 criteria.
When has an NFL team traded (at the same time), their young, WR and QB duo who are considered two of the best at their positions to build a championship team. I'm trying to see when has any other team done something similar. I don't recall. So, I'm asking how can anyone blame the Texans marketing division when 31 other teams are not doing a similar trade?
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
That’s not optimistic it’s prejudiced. Frankly I’m sick and tired of it. Do what you do, dump your great seats on the precipice of a miraculous franchise turnaround.
I know you hate Stroud. No everybody knows. Tried last year to show you why, changing your mind was a possibility but your hate for Watson and mutual agent (he who shall not be named). ******* lovely
so you traded your Texans season tickets for Astros?
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Interesting guy. Looks like the last guy you would ever think is an NFL player. Even looked like he had Goth eye makeup on against NE. But I’m really pulling for him. Makes me somehow feel better about myself, lol.
Really, thLions are much better off without Stafford than with him. I mean they're picked by many to win their division for the first time in decades.
Are the Vikings better off with Jefferson than Diggs?
Now if you want to say BOB was a terrible GM I can get on board with that, even if the two mamma's made that trade happen.
Prejudice isn't what I expected you to call me. Was I prejudice when I wanted RS to pick Winston? Prejudiced when I wanted Mahomes to be the pick? How about in the last draft when I wanted Caserio to pick one of Young, Hooker or Bennett. Let's be honest here, what do you think a guy who looks up to a sexual predator/dog fighter/scum agent and all of the people in his group being a QB to bring a Lombardi to Kirby? I'm not even taking into account his on field issues that he will have to overcome just to become a mid tear QB, which is what I hope he eventually becomes. But I'm also willing to give him a chance and not condemn him after 2 series in his first NFL game. I'm willing to at least give the guy a chance despite everything that I wrote at the beginning of this post. But I won't be an I told you so guy if he doesn't work out. It's not his fault Hannah made Caserio pick him that high in the draft. On the bright side, whether he sucks or not he now has generational wealth.
No I didn't get Stros season tickets, but I go to a few games every year. I simply chose not to buy what the McNair's have been selling for the past 2 decades anymore.
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Me, I wanted a legitimate new HC and let him and the new GM decide who they want.