Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍
Texans random thought of the day
- Thread starter Wolf
- Start date
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
The problem is nobody knows who's going to be the next Ponder or Manziel or Manning or Luck. The Texans needed a QB, they drafted one. That simple. Doesn't matter what anybody thinks of next year's class, or the one after that, or the one after that. Nobody knows.
I was sure as hell nobody should draft Manziel in the first round. I knew I wouldn't draft Locker, Ponder, Zach Wilson, & a bunch of others. You & most on this board would not draft Will Levis in the 1st round, & for good reason you wouldn't draft him in the first round even though you needed a QB, even if he was the only QB in the 2023 draft you would not have drafted him.
You & TB74 want to throw in QBs you feel are going to be good.
I will repeat, because I actually said it
They're only stressful if you dont have a sense of humor. Or care
There were teams that liked Ponder and Manziel. They didn't work out in the NFL. A lot of this "Don't draft a so & so" stuff is 20/20 hindsight. One of the biggest red flags at QB was Lamar Jackson. He dropped to the end of the 1st. Biatchin' about teams making a mistake drafting QBs after the fact is ridiculous. It's the most important position. You have to try to get a QB if you don't have one. Not taking a QB means you know for a fact you don't have one. And what if you take a player at another position, instead? Guess what. Those players bust, too.
The winners take their best guess and coach the guys up. The losers make excuses. We're in the No Excuses Zone.
You can look at traits and you dradt the QB with the traits you like the most, even if you have to wait a yr to get the get you like. Example and I think this applies to this yrs QB prospects vs the 2024 draft prospects? In 2019 the Cards drafted Murray, do you think looking back on things they wish they would've waited until the 2020 draft and drafted Burrow, Herbert, Tua instead of Murray?
I'm calling my shot now, in 5 yrs the Texans will have wished Hannah wouldn't have forced the Stroud pick and waited on the Williams/Maye/McCarthy 2024 draft.
Winners dont force picks because of need, unless they care more about marketing than winning. BTW, what has LJ ever won? He provides excitement and that's apparently enough for some on this MB. Now the Ravens are stuck in no man's land with LJ's bloated contract.
Texansballer74
The Marine
No the Texans are throwing in a quarterback who they thinks will be their franchise quarterback. They’re not sticking with the guy you guys think should get another chance to prove himself. It seems like you select few wanted them to stay stagnant and then address the quarterback position in 24. That’s why y’all are combative when discussing this particular topic.
They drafted a QB because Hannah needed a face of the franchise to market. Exactly like Bob did when he ordered the Carr pick. You got one thing right, they dont care about what the fans want, they only care about butts in the seats and merchandise being bought.
If the team that drafted Ponder & Manziel liked Ponder & Manziel, then those teams do not belong in this discussion. If a team likes Ponder & Manziel, they should draft him.
If you're just drafting a QB, to draft a QB, then you shouldn't draft a guy, just because you need a QB.
Absolutely. You check out all the prospects, draft, FA, possible trades... then you make your decision.
eh...
right, you take your best guess. even if you need a QB, you'd be better off taking the highest rated player on your board, even though he's not a QB, even though you need a QB.
So let's say you're Kyle Shanahan. You're picking 2nd in the NFL Draft. Do you take Mitch Trubisky with the 2nd overall pick because you need a QB or do you take Solomon Thomas even though he might bust?
If you like the QB, you take him. No one you are arguing with has said different. If you don't like the QB, pass.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Really? Because I don't disagree with anything you've said there.
You asked why someone wouldn't take a QB sitting in our position at the top of the draft. And I told you why some people wouldn't BUT... and I said this... the Texans aren't those people and they obviously didn't share those reservations because they took Stroud.
And I'm totally OK with them taking Stroud. They think he's the guy. Good. Let's rock.
So the guy you are really arguing with has entered the conversation, so try to keep his comments & mine separate.
I'm speaking in general terms. I'm not speaking about Mills, I'm not speaking about Stroud.
I gave my reasons for not taking a QB in 2023. So has Number 19, JB, & ThePencilNeck. They were good reasons. They had nothing to do with Stroud, who we will all root for. They had nothing to do with Mills, who most of us don't like, & I in particular wished the Texans hadn't drafted.
I have no idea why you post the way you do. Out of respect I wouldn't presume to tell you why you post the way you do. I will tell you why I get combative. It's because when I tell you "this is why I wouldn't have done that." You argue points I didn't make.
Texansballer74
The Marine
No the Texans are throwing in a quarterback who they thinks will be their franchise quarterback. They’re not sticking with the guy you guys think should get another chance to prove himself. It seems like you select few wanted them to stay stagnant
I love you brother but you're like the anti-Viagra.
Try to find the post where I said someone should get another chance, or that the Texans should remain stagnant & post it here for all to see.
Try to find the post where I say the Texans messed up for drafting Stroud.
Stroud was my avatar for a little while, until CnnD posted this cool pic of Scruggs. I'm glad the Texans believe they got their QB for the next 50 years & I hope it works out for them.
& I know it's not all about me, but I said before the draft the only thing that would have upset me would be the Texans drafting Bryce Young. Even then I would accept it & hope for the best.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Thank whatever mercy the football gods have bestowed on us by not ending up with Bryce Young.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Roy Lopez been in the weight room.
Let's put aside the "Janice made the Stroud pick" rumor for a minute. Do you really think there have been teams that did not like the QB they drafted? That's ridiculous on its face. I don't really get the argument you're trying to box in.
Lopez has always been strong. Unfortunately, you can't get twitch in the weight room. And that is what keeps Lopez from being a legit starter. 2 sacks and 5 pressures playing 50% of snaps over two seasons just doesn't cut it. Effort keeps him in the league, but I think his snap count drops significantly in Ryans defense.
I presume there were fans here that felt that Stroud and other QB's weren't appealing and wanted to wait another year to draft a QB. Is that correct? There are some good looking QB prospects in next year's draft but, there's obviously no guarantees about any of them working out either. Sooner or later Houston was going to have to roll the die on a QB, right?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
We have seen so many clips like this to hype almost every player on the team. It is to be seen when they change from the heretofore "underwear olympics" to live real game situation..........if they will need to change their underwear for another more embarrassing reason. View attachment 12324
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Don't worry! Nothing new. My size has held me back all my life. Might be time to break through. 
I think there are plenty of teams that overdraft QBs almost every year because there are guys who have no business being GMs letting themselves get swayed by hype.
I think a team like the 49ers can look at the QBs in the 2017 draft, the 2018 draft, & the 2019 draft & decide, not for them. Even though Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson, Murray, Jones, & Haskins were highly rated.
I'm not saying the teams that drafted them didn't think highly of them, but the 49ers in need of a QB didn't. Not that they were looking to next year, or waiting on Mr Perfect. They just didn't like the ones available, or the cost/benefit ration in 2018 & 2019.
The question I am responding to is, "Why wouldn't you draft a QB?"
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The media continues to execute the over-hype agenda of getting QB's who shouldn't be in RD1 considerations into RD1 come draft day. On a side note, I don't think Stroud was a reach in RD1 as his Ohio State days would attest. Sure he had talent on the field with him, but the QB still has to get the ball to that talent in a manner that maximizes their impact.
As for the Texans.....they've never got this QB development thing right. The pieces are never on the table at the right time and the rookie QB has to be the savior from Day 1. I haven't gone back and checked this next statement out and will work strictly from memory. The most successful NFL QB's have generally had 1+ seasons of clipboard duty before taking the reins....while the talented QB's taken in RD1 who are thrown in as the Day 1 starter along with an incomplete team are generally the ones who become the identifiable "busts".
Personally, I'd never have an issue with Stroud taking a clipboard season while Caserio and Ryans put a few more finishing touches on the team.
As for the Texans.....they've never got this QB development thing right. The pieces are never on the table at the right time and the rookie QB has to be the savior from Day 1. I haven't gone back and checked this next statement out and will work strictly from memory. The most successful NFL QB's have generally had 1+ seasons of clipboard duty before taking the reins....while the talented QB's taken in RD1 who are thrown in as the Day 1 starter along with an incomplete team are generally the ones who become the identifiable "busts".
Personally, I'd never have an issue with Stroud taking a clipboard season while Caserio and Ryans put a few more finishing touches on the team.
Last edited:
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Yes, I do think this can happen and does happen.
I think there are times where it is the owner who dictates that a certain player is going to be drafted. I think that happened with the Texans' first ever draft of David Carr over Julius Peppers, and I think it happens when the owners are trying to energize their fanbases and give them what they want.
I think there are times when there's a difference between the coaching staffs and the GM/scouting departments. If the GM is politically stronger, then the coaches get stuck with a player they don't want. And if the coaches are stronger, they force the GM to draft a player they don't think is any good.
I think there are times when the GMs are playing a different game and have different priorities and, like the owners, sometimes they draft someone purely on hype in the media because they're trying to make the fans happy. I also think that there are times when people are not communicating clearly. Some people aren't good at voicing disagreement or disapproval, they may not be comfortable in publically disagreeing with their boss or with other people who have political power in the team.
When someone says, you need a QB so just draft a guy... I can't believe anyone would say that. It seems idiotic on the face of it. Someone has to think this QB is "The Guy." There are years when there are no QBs worthy of a 1st round pick and if you're needing a QB during one of those years, then you should just accept it and not pick a QB. That's all I've ever been saying.
Is there a possibility that someone can just become gunshy and not pull the trigger when they should? Yeah. That's a danger. I'm not disagreeing that you've got to have a QB to be successful in this league.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
There have been GMs that were over their skis. No doubt. But that doesn't mean they didn't like the QB they drafted. Yes, the Niners passed on many QBs before they traded a truckload of picks to draft a guy with one season of lower level football. That seems like an indictment on the Niners QB evaluation process rather than something that deserves praise.
Again, I haven't seen evidence of teams drafting QBs they didn't like...at the time.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Hindsight being 20/20 the Niners should have taken Mahomes. They probably would have 3 rings by now.
I agree about the evaluation process. Look again at my posts. I've not defended their evaluations, or praised them for it.
If Garoppolo wasn't injury prone we'd be less likely to criticize their evaluation process.
Regardless, my point is that you shouldn't do it. I've provided reasons why you shouldn't do it. Others have provided reasons you shouldn't do it.
You're arguing teams don't do it. That's a totally different argument that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
TB74 said why wouldn't you draft a QB knowing you've got a need for a QB. One possible answer is that you don't like the QBs available.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Texansballer74
The Marine
Already lol . Mahomas would be a beast in that offense.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Every time I see a Tom Brady commercial, I want to tell him to keep his daytime job. [Of course, I feel the same way when I see the Astros players in their HEB commercials.]
Alex Smith was an average QB, at his best. He was also in his 30's when the Chiefs drafted Mahomes. IMO, Reid saw something he loved in Mahomes and coveted him. That's why you draft a QB, even if you're top dog in your division. There really is no comparison between the two other than they both played QB.
Alex Smith Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Patrick Mahomes Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
You've missed on so many QBs that it's ridiculous.
Texansballer74
The Marine
My point was they were a winning team and a playoff team.
Alex imo was above average with the Chiefs. They just couldn’t get over the hump with him.
Alex Smith had a passer rating of 94.8 with 17,608 yards, 102 touchdowns and 33 interceptions in 76 games for the Chiefs in his career.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I think ring of honor players should be those that are HOF candidates at minimum. Bring a very good player for a few years should be more of an honorable mention not ring of honor.
heymak
"I know nothing!". (Veteran)
Agreed. While he was very good, his playing time was too short. You don't try to fill the ring of honor just because there is a lot of space left.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I'm sure that conversion of these exercises are certain to occur to on the field.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Please no!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Oh crap.....this is "NFL Laughing Stock" material!!!!! Dammit, my eyes can't unsee this.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Did the Texans hire whoever designed the Roughnecks helmets?
heymak
"I know nothing!". (Veteran)
Just some guys concept. He has a lot of stuff on Instagram.
Last edited:
