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JB said:
There is a reason you're on a MB and not in a football organization at any level
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Yes there is, unless I had connections at a younger age or wanted to take a paycut now then you're correct. I actually think my philosophies of Quality over Quantity and taking talented but troubled guys and injured guys is a sound philosophy. I also think I would fit in well with the Chiefs org today or the Pats/Raiders orgs of the past.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Yes there is, unless I had connections at a younger age or wanted to take a paycut now then you're correct. I actually think my philosophies of Quality over Quantity and taking talented but troubled guys and injured guys is a sound philosophy. I also think I would fit in well with the Chiefs org today or the Pats/Raiders orgs of the past.
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Of course you do
 
steelbtexan said:
This comes down to if you think the 2024 QB class is better than the 2023 QB class. Also I think the 2024 class overall is much better than the 2023 class and the prudent thing to do was add pieces in the 2023 draft and also through trades add as many extra picks in 2024 as possible, including your QB of the future out of that draft.
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I don't know if it is or not. That's my point. It's not as easy as just calling it that.
Let me take a quick look... this is going to be off the cuff, as I'm literally reading and typing a response.
Caleb Williams looks pretty solid, but is 6'1. Can he do in the NFL what he's done at USC? No guarantee.
Drake Maye is a big dude with a big arm and appears to be pretty athletic. 9-5 last season losing last 4 in a row.
Michael Penix. He's big, with a big arm as well. Looks like him and the team had a good 2022.

Those are your top 3 as it stands right now. They may or may not stay that way.
Are those three better than Young, Stroud and Richardson, who were the top 3 this year?
I don't know that you can say that with any certainty. Lets see how they do this year and discuss.

Again, that's my point. It's too hard to say. I like Stroud and think he's going to do well for the Texans.
That being said, I have my concerns there too. I like to think I'm being fair when talking about players.
For example. I hate Ben Roethlisberger. I mean I really hate that guy. Hell of a football player though.
 
steelbtexan said:
Mahomes didn't play with what was probably the most talented team in college football.
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Burrow has right to make that claim. That LSU team was absolutely STACKED on both sides of the ball.
Dude is still an absolute beast and an exceptional leader. Sometimes other players matter, sometimes they don't.
Again, that's another thing that makes it so hard to assess how good one player is over another.
 
ArmyBengal said:
Burrow has right to make that claim. That LSU team was absolutely STACKED on both sides of the ball.
Dude is still an absolute beast and an exceptional leader. Sometimes other players matter, sometimes they don't.
Again, that's another thing that makes it so hard to assess how good one player is over another.
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True and look what Burrow did with that talent. Stroud was throwing to 3 first Rd picks and didn't accomplish nearly as much as Burrow did.
 
ArmyBengal said:
I don't know if it is or not. That's my point. It's not as easy as just calling it that.
Let me take a quick look... this is going to be off the cuff, as I'm literally reading and typing a response.
Caleb Williams looks pretty solid, but is 6'1. Can he do in the NFL what he's done at USC? No guarantee.
Drake Maye is a big dude with a big arm and appears to be pretty athletic. 9-5 last season losing last 4 in a row.
Michael Penix. He's big, with a big arm as well. Looks like him and the team had a good 2022.

Those are your top 3 as it stands right now. They may or may not stay that way.
Are those three better than Young, Stroud and Richardson, who were the top 3 this year?
I don't know that you can say that with any certainty. Lets see how they do this year and discuss.

Again, that's my point. It's too hard to say. I like Stroud and think he's going to do well for the Texans.
That being said, I have my concerns there too. I like to think I'm being fair when talking about players.
For example. I hate Ben Roethlisberger. I mean I really hate that guy. Hell of a football player though.
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I like the Michigan QB more than anybody in the last draft as well. Penix injury history keeps him out of my top 3. I like Nix a lot as well. Then you've got sleepers like Ewers who I expect to be much improved after he gained experience last year.
 
JB said:
Of course you do
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You don't and why don't you think I would fit in well with those orgs? We share the same philosophies. That's a big part of business, finding people who share your philosophy. For instance I wouldn't want to work for the Texans org unless I was way overpaid like Caserio is and then I would just bite my tongue and collect a paycheck like Caserio is currently doing. While still doing the best job I could do with the constraints that are being put on by ownership. Who can blame him?
 
steelbtexan said:
I fault them because the team is going to become a playoff team if Stroud isn't a bust. But not a true contender. As I've said before, if Stroud ever wins a big game that will be a 1st.
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What's incorrect about this post. Obviously you're a big Buckeye fan. No rings in Columbus. How long if Michigan continues to beat OSU will Day's leash be?
 
steelbtexan said:
What did the fan council discuss? What does the team hope to accomplish this off-season?

This should be relevant to this thread? Since you were on the council, this would be hearing from a reliable source.
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We have only had one meeting and have been figuring out logistics because this is both a new and an old way of doing things. The Texans from the beginning of the franchise have had various fans and fan groups advising them of different things. Since the beginning, I worked with various people I knew there over the years because they made it clear to me that they cared about the fan experience, and if I had a fan issue I needed fixing, I should go to them about it instead of having to talk about it in the paper. Which is what adults do. My day job is all about working through novel problems and finding solutions that work for everyone.

The existence of the Texans Talk message board, as you know, came from the Texans gifting it to the fans after the NFL decided that all NFL websites needed to conform to one standard. They didn't need to do that. Also, in retrospect, knowing the internet then and now, it couldn't be healthy for team/players/staff to host a message board which often times was roasting them, fairly and unfairly. They had some weird boards for a while but that went away. But a digression, I am glad we are still here. :)

There have been a lot of changes of people with the team particularly in recent times. The new and old people want to make sure what they are doing rings true to the fanbase. It can be hard for them because we are now going on our second generation of fans, and a lot of the fanbase has shared memories in a way that older fanbases do not. We were also very much connected as a fanbase through the internet, so we have some sort of familiarity with each other to some degree.

It is hard doing things when one group has different shared memories than the new people. How do you let them know what matters to you, how you bring the best of the past into the present? The Texans have various cultures and subcultures IRL and online, and how do you bring them together? We have at points in the franchise but for fleeting moments. They want to make things resonate with us in real ways and that can be a challenge mixing new and old people together.

A main concept for our franchise is this: We can't exactly control when we win but we can control the fan experience and the connection between us.

The fan council is a group of people of different backgrounds--day 1 diehards, new fans, different lots, some from out of town, media, young, old, different specialities in their backgrounds, just a lot of different people. I know some, getting to know others. In my experience, fan councils are usually used in soccer or motorsports, and the people with the Texans new and old are wanting to get more immediate feedback as to what they are doing.

I don't know what the fan council will be. We will be meeting again soon, so anything that is important to y'all, is important to me. They are fixing the football. If there is anything else that could be better, they are committed to do it. And I am committed to making that happen because I've always been committed to make that happen for all of us. No matter what kind of fan you are and what you value in your support.

This is a long answer to saying, I don't know what will come of our efforts but everybody is committed to try. It's a good group of people but I could literally put 1000s of Texans fans to gather who would want to help each other out because that is our collective nature. We want to help, we want avenues to help because we all want to see what it is like to root for a truly dominant NFL team. I want that while I am still breathing lol.
 
Steph, (@Texans_Chick ) can you share some things all of us here may not know?

How many on the council?

Was there an application as you mentioned paperwork, I assume so. Please go into that and any obstacles or questions you had/have about the process.

How long is "membership"and is there participation requirements. Such as does one have to be a season ticket holder?

Who decided who got final approval?

I would think an applicant would have to provide a means to reach out to and receive input from more fans other than family and friends.

Thanks and as always grateful for your thoughts and information.
 
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Texans_Chick said:
We have only had one meeting and have been figuring out logistics because this is both a new and an old way of doing things. The Texans from the beginning of the franchise have had various fans and fan groups advising them of different things. Since the beginning, I worked with various people I knew there over the years because they made it clear to me that they cared about the fan experience, and if I had a fan issue I needed fixing, I should go to them about it instead of having to talk about it in the paper. Which is what adults do. My day job is all about working through novel problems and finding solutions that work for everyone.

The existence of the Texans Talk message board, as you know, came from the Texans gifting it to the fans after the NFL decided that all NFL websites needed to conform to one standard. They didn't need to do that. Also, in retrospect, knowing the internet then and now, it couldn't be healthy for team/players/staff to host a message board which often times was roasting them, fairly and unfairly. They had some weird boards for a while but that went away. But a digression, I am glad we are still here. :)

There have been a lot of changes of people with the team particularly in recent times. The new and old people want to make sure what they are doing rings true to the fanbase. It can be hard for them because we are now going on our second generation of fans, and a lot of the fanbase has shared memories in a way that older fanbases do not. We were also very much connected as a fanbase through the internet, so we have some sort of familiarity with each other to some degree.

It is hard doing things when one group has different shared memories than the new people. How do you let them know what matters to you, how you bring the best of the past into the present? The Texans have various cultures and subcultures IRL and online, and how do you bring them together? We have at points in the franchise but for fleeting moments. They want to make things resonate with us in real ways and that can be a challenge mixing new and old people together.

A main concept for our franchise is this: We can't exactly control when we win but we can control the fan experience and the connection between us.

The fan council is a group of people of different backgrounds--day 1 diehards, new fans, different lots, some from out of town, media, young, old, different specialities in their backgrounds, just a lot of different people. I know some, getting to know others. In my experience, fan councils are usually used in soccer or motorsports, and the people with the Texans new and old are wanting to get more immediate feedback as to what they are doing.

I don't know what the fan council will be. We will be meeting again soon, so anything that is important to y'all, is important to me. They are fixing the football. If there is anything else that could be better, they are committed to do it. And I am committed to making that happen because I've always been committed to make that happen for all of us. No matter what kind of fan you are and what you value in your support.

This is a long answer to saying, I don't know what will come of our efforts but everybody is committed to try. It's a good group of people but I could literally put 1000s of Texans fans to gather who would want to help each other out because that is our collective nature. We want to help, we want avenues to help because we all want to see what it is like to root for a truly dominant NFL team. I want that while I am still breathing lol.
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@Texans_Chick
Thanks for the reply, how many people roughly are currently on the council? If you would keep us informed about some of topics being brought up at the next meeting it would be greatly appreciated.
 
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steelbtexan said:
You think I really care? 🤣

After 2 plus decades I'm not buying what the McNair's are selling anymore.
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You've been saying this for YEARS....and yet you're still here still acting like the same miserable crab trying to pull and drag everyone down in your bucket of misery with you...if you're not happy and not buying into this franchise and team...then go root for A DIFFERENT TEAM...

That seems pretty simple, logical and rational. I will ALWAYS be a fan of the Texans, but after the whole kneel for the anthem and fiasco and playing the "black anthem" and the product the Texans put on the field I stepped away and stopped watching football all together for a few years...sure Id catch some highlights (low lights in our case) on SC or the internet, but now that it seems they have figured that out and are trying to put a better product on the field and have revived the enthusiasm surrounding the TEAM AND FRANCHISE I'm back to watch and see what they do and accomplish with this new staff and commitment to building a better team and to cheer them on....win, lose or draw I'll be rooting for them b/c I cant find it in myself to root for another team....but you wont find me posting the same drivel and negativity that you have for 2 plus decades...thats just sad and insane.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
You've been saying this for YEARS....and yet you're still here still acting like the same miserable crab trying to pull and drag everyone down in your bucket of misery with you...if you're not happy and not buying into this franchise and team...then go root for A DIFFERENT TEAM...

That seems pretty simple, logical and rational. I will ALWAYS be a fan of the Texans, but after the whole kneel for the anthem and fiasco and playing the "black anthem" and the product the Texans put on the field I stepped away and stopped watching football all together for a few years...sure Id catch some highlights (low lights in our case) on SC or the internet, but now that it seems they have figured that out and are trying to put a better product on the field and have revived the enthusiasm surrounding the TEAM AND FRANCHISE I'm back to watch and see what they do and accomplish with this new staff and commitment to building a better team and to cheer them on....win, lose or draw I'll be rooting for them b/c I cant find it in myself to root for another team....but you wont find me posting the same drivel and negativity that you have for 2 plus decades...thats just sad and insane.
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Good for you

I root for them

I also realize what's most important to them
 
ArmyBengal said:
Those are your top 3 as it stands right now. They may or may not stay that way.
Are those three better than Young, Stroud and Richardson, who were the top 3 this year?
I don't know that you can say that with any certainty. Lets see how they do this year and discuss.
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I wonder what team scouts actually do. I mean the Texans have someone they pay to watch & evaluate college players.

Do you think they have access like reporters? Maybe less, maybe more? How well do they really get to know these players & how do they instruct their teams.

I would think they take future drafts in account. I mean if you just lost Peyton Manning, you need a QB. Do you trade away your future for Cam Newton, Jake Locker, or Blaine Gabbert? Or do you suck for Luck even though there's no guarantee Luck would be any good.

If you're a team like the Titans, are you looking at Luck, Griffin, or Tannehill in the future, or is Locker your guy?

I mean, surely they're looking ahead.
 
steelbtexan said:
True and look what Burrow did with that talent. Stroud was throwing to 3 first Rd picks and didn't accomplish nearly as much as Burrow did.
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Don't disagree at all. Burrow also had a defense that consistently would get the ball back in his hands.
Stroud has not had that luxury with a very inconsistent defense, which has seen coordinators being replaced.
RB's, o-line and other items also impact those types of things, but again, don't necessarily disagree.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like the Michigan QB more than anybody in the last draft as well. Penix injury history keeps him out of my top 3. I like Nix a lot as well. Then you've got sleepers like Ewers who I expect to be much improved after he gained experience last year.
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I like JJ McCarthy as well. Not sure I'm there with you, but that's cool.
I think Ewers is a head case, but he has talent for sure.
Like I said though, that's just what I have seen regarding the top 3 at this time.
I'm sure that will change. Injuries can play a huge part in that. Will just have to watch it play out.
 
Corrosion said:
I haven't noticed any substantial increase in traffic .... a couple new faces following specific players to their new teams, outside of that - the same people who have been posting here for years.

To see any real change in traffic here, this franchise has to win at a much higher rate.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
A screen shot taken this morning:

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5 members
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230 guests! WOW!! Impressive!..............until you realize that most all of the 230 "guests" are robots! It used to be that true guests and robots were listed as separate categories, BUT..........

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Is it just me or am I seeing more of the posters who had checked out return? It seems that I see a lot of names that I haven’t seen in a while (the misery years of Watson/OB/Easterby) coming back to post here and there.

It’s nice to see those guys comeback.
 
thunderkyss said:
I wonder what team scouts actually do. I mean the Texans have someone they pay to watch & evaluate college players.

Do you think they have access like reporters? Maybe less, maybe more? How well do they really get to know these players & how do they instruct their teams.

I would think they take future drafts in account. I mean if you just lost Peyton Manning, you need a QB. Do you trade away your future for Cam Newton, Jake Locker, or Blaine Gabbert? Or do you suck for Luck even though there's no guarantee Luck would be any good.

If you're a team like the Titans, are you looking at Luck, Griffin, or Tannehill in the future, or is Locker your guy?

I mean, surely they're looking ahead.
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From my limited understanding of scouts, although I have discussed them with an NFL personnel guy (neighbors are great), they have all the access in the world when it comes to the college players. Trainers, coaches (position, strength, etc.) access to practices and more. I think they are probably better to make calls on players more than anyone else in their organization. Are some better at their job than others? I would assume so. Some people aren't really good at networking and may take a more laid back approach to someone else who's more outgoing and communicates better. Or maybe the structure of their reports varies.

I think team's look to the future, but focus on what's in front of them. If you take a look at the Texans UFA's for 2024, you will find nearly 35. While they aren't all starters, some are. I would hope the Texans looked to the future enough to consider that number and can they address it now. It would appear there are many on a 1 year deal, so it may be something they wait to see how they work out.

If you are a team picking very early in the first round this year and have a QB need right now, you pull the trigger if you think the guy is franchise material (as has been mentioned). I don't think you pass on a guy in front of you because you think the guy next year is going to be better. No guarantees the team is going to finish poorly enough to be in a position to draft that guy next year. If not, are you now giving up draft capital to follow through on your thoughts from the previous season? Did that guy you wanted next year do well? Maybe he suffered a serious injury and no team drafts him in the first round, let alone the top 3 and now what?

It's what I would call getting too cute for your own good.
Sort of like when a team is killing it in a game running the ball down a team's throat and then the coach decides to get cute and go away from what works to start throwing the ball all over the place and they end up losing. Someone got cute.

Don't get cute...
 
The top 3 2023 Draft QBs are still not signed. With the Texans having so many new faces at all levels, everyone being there at day 1 of TC is that much more important. Twelve days and counting............

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Top picks Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud still unsigned as camp approaches

Top NFL draft picks Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud could be on the sideline when training camps open due to ongoing contract negotiations.

Young, the No. 1 pick by the Carolina Panthers, and Stroud, selected second by the Houston Texans, are both in line to start as rookies after promising offseasons.

Stroud worked with receivers and tight ends away from the team facility and was also actively involved in the full team workouts. Whether he will sign while waiting to see the specifics of Young’s deal is unclear.

“It was good, definitely just building chemistry trying to get timing down and trying to be as best we can so we can get to training camp and dominate,” Stroud said. “That was the goal for that one to keep building and have a good offseason.”

Draft picks know the value and framework of their contracts when they are selected due to an NFL draft pool that assigns a value to each pick slot.

The granular clauses, such as offset language that dictates what a team owes if it moves on from a player, and the payment schedule of the initial signing bonus, can often become sticking points.

Most teams spread a signing bonus over three or four payments. The Panthers and Texans can thank the Jacksonville Jaguars for any demand of immediate bonus payments.

The Jaguars made No. 1 pick Trevor Lawrence’s $24.1 million bonus due in full 15 business days after signing in 2021 and paid the more than $24 million signing bonus to Travon Walker in the same timeframe.

No. 3 pick Will Anderson signed with the Texans on June 23. He signed a four-year, $35.2 million deal with a fifth-year team option.

NFL draft slot values peg the contract for the No. 1 pick at four years, $37.95 million, which includes a $24.6 million signing bonus. Stroud stands to sign a deal worth $36.3 million with $23.3 million due at signing.

Colts No. 4 overall pick Anthony Richardson also remains unsigned and has a max contract value of $33.994 million over four years.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
lar clauses, such as offset language that dictates what a team owes if it moves on from a player, and the payment schedule of the initial signing bonus, can often become sticking points.
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They're idiots for making something so insignificant a sticking point....$24 M in a single lump sum rather than, for example, three payments of $8 M??? Can anyone suggest what the big deal is, unless it is just a dominance thing to declare who is the top dog in the contractual relationship.
(edit) I'd put a stop to this so quick. Texans should stand firm.
 
Number19 said:
They're idiots for making something so insignificant a sticking point....$24 M in a single lump sum rather than, for example, three payments of $8 M??? Can anyone suggest what the big deal is, unless it is just a dominance thing to declare who is the top dog in the contractual relationship.
(edit) I'd put a stop to this so quick. Texans should stand firm.
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Time value of money. Bird in hand worth more than two in bush.
 
Number19 said:
They're idiots for making something so insignificant a sticking point....$24 M in a single lump sum rather than, for example, three payments of $8 M??? Can anyone suggest what the big deal is, unless it is just a dominance thing to declare who is the top dog in the contractual relationship.
(edit) I'd put a stop to this so quick. Texans should stand firm.
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Is it any less an insignificant sticking point for the owners than it's assumed to be for the players?

If we're talking just a few weeks or more why not just pay it outright and get your player locked in early with a good faith relationship underway?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Is it any less an insignificant sticking point for the owners than it's assumed to be for the players?

If we're talking just a few weeks or more why not just pay it outright and get your player locked in early with a good faith relationship underway?
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Yes, it very well could present a sticky problem for owners. Just how easy do you think it is to get $24M for a lump sum payout? For the owners it is, or could be, a money management issue.

But then again, it is never a good thing to let employees dictate corporate decisions. In the Texans' case, it could forebode Steelb's prediction of contractual problems three years down the road.
 
Number19 said:
Yes, it very well could present a sticky problem for owners. Just how easy do you think it is to get $24M for a lump sum payout? For the owners it is, or could be, a money management issue.

But then again, it is never a good thing to let employees dictate corporate decisions. In the Texans' case, it could forebode Steelb's prediction of contractual problems three years down the road.
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Yeah, that's probably what the McNair's already had to pay out to all of Watson's accusers..
 
Number19 said:
Yes, it very well could present a sticky problem for owners. Just how easy do you think it is to get $24M for a lump sum payout? For the owners it is, or could be, a money management issue.

But then again, it is never a good thing to let employees dictate corporate decisions. In the Texans' case, it could forebode Steelb's prediction of contractual problems three years down the road.
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Relatively easy, that's how easy.

No one is dictating anything, it's a completely reasonable market-driven negotiation.

And just for the record I'm not even advocating for Stroud to get a full lump sum bonus payout, just that neither side has to necessarily be an 'idiot' in a case like this when it's a normal back and forth negotiation. No one is being unreasonable, given precedent, and no one is holding anyone hostage or taking advantage of anyone else. It's just business, for both sides.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Relatively easy, that's how easy.

No one is dictating anything, it's a completely reasonable market-driven negotiation.

And just for the record I'm not even advocating for Stroud to get a full lump sum bonus payout, just that neither side has to necessarily be an 'idiot' in a case like this when it's a normal back and forth negotiation. No one is being unreasonable, given precedent, and no one is holding anyone hostage or taking advantage of anyone else. It's just business, for both sides.
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Perhaps they are trying to work out offsets, could be a sticking point
 
ArmyBengal said:
Don't disagree at all. Burrow also had a defense that consistently would get the ball back in his hands.
Stroud has not had that luxury with a very inconsistent defense, which has seen coordinators being replaced.
RB's, o-line and other items also impact those types of things, but again, don't necessarily disagree.
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They had a great ol and have always had a stable of RB.
 
Number19 said:
They're idiots for making something so insignificant a sticking point....$24 M in a single lump sum rather than, for example, three payments of $8 M??? Can anyone suggest what the big deal is, unless it is just a dominance thing to declare who is the top dog in the contractual relationship.
(edit) I'd put a stop to this so quick. Texans should stand firm.
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Agreed, they should stick to their guns.
 
TexansBull said:
30M making 1/2% is 150k. Doable in 2 months.

If you know about TMV then you know.
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Yes the essence of time value economically speaking is about compounding over time, and not in terms of months or even years but rather decades !
A couple hundred K in this context is clearly immaterial, so there must be something else they are haggling over ?
 
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