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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

TheMatrix31 said:
Are you serious?

I don't like chocolate based ice creams but I *love* fudgesickles because they're not brutally chocolate-y.

I ******* love Blue Bell. My favorite thing about living in Texas now.
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They came out with cookies n cream with chocolate syrup in it. Talk about good good extra good. Hate it was limited
 
Longtime Texans beat writer John McClain believes the Texans will take Kentucky QB Will Levis with the second pick of the 2023 NFL Draft.
“(Houston) has no indecision whatsoever, those are national media reports," said McClain, who recently retired after decades of covering Houston-area pro sports teams. "They know what they’re going to do, they’ve just put a tight lid on it. ... I just can't believe [Texans general manager] Nick Caserio would pass up on a quarterback to take an edge rusher." Other reports over the past two weeks have said the Texans are ready and willing to pass on a quarterback and use the draft capital to improve their defense for 2023 and beyond. If the Colts believe Houston will take Levis with the second pick, they could trade up from No. 4 to ensure they get their guy. The first night of the draft is sure to be eventful.
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djohn2oo8 said:
You can poo poo it all you want to. Stroud appears to be no scholar. Not even close.
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You don’t know what type of grades he had there. Stop the nonsense.

Why are you hating on this young man so hard? Did he do something to you are one of your family members?
Like I said before why do we tear down our own so much?
 
My earlier post several weeks ago #1988 Will Levis
Post #1988
His completion percentage last season (65.4) was actually higher than Young’s (64.5). His play-action passing maybe fit well with a team productive in running the ball (Pierce). Texans can and should improve the offensive line and do more play action. He completed 68.5% of attempts with 9.7 air yards per attempt in play-action situations last season.

I'm not infatuated with Levis just sharing some stats but I like him.
WCO West Coast Offense Bill Walsh liked play action schemes.
Play action with a strong running game to complement.
He completed nearly 70% of his passes between the numbers last season, which is among the best in this entire draft class.

In the 24 games Levis played in as a starter at Kentucky, the Wildcats won 17 games. Levis never played in an SEC title game, but did win a Citrus Bowl .
2nd in Kentucky quarterback wins (17)
4th in Kentucky 300-yard passing games (6)
5th in Kentucky career passing touchdowns (43)
6th in Kentucky career passing yards (5,233).
Levis was hurt last year and had a terrible supporting cast.
 
Ok, I have to wonder. Is Stroud sabotaging himself? After reading reports of his testing scores and hearing him explain it away the way he did. I am now listening to his interview where he said he's the smartest QB in the NFL!! I have to wonder, is he pushing for a slide down the draft board in the hopes he is attainable and "wanted" by a team that doesn't need as much help to get right as those at the top of the draft? I.E. Dallas, New England or Seattle. Is this a case of a young man betting on himself?
 
The1ApplePie said:
I think it is a much stronger possibility that the Texans trade up from 12 into the top 10 to get Richardson or Levis if they slide, then going Hooker. Hooker probably won't see the field in 2023, making him a better fit for a team like the Vikes that have a questionable, but solid QB that they may want to replace.
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I considered that too and it’s a viable options too. I just have a feeling that they like Hooker. Thanks for the input.
 
Texansballer74 said:
They came out with cookies n cream with chocolate syrup in it. Talk about good good extra good. Hate it was limited
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I absolutely loved the Cookie Two Step, which is the cookie dough and cookies and cream hybrid.

But everything I've had so far has been amazing. Strawberry, mint, banana pudding, the bride cake, the fruity pebbles one, the oatmeal cream pie, the cotton candy might be the best of the bunch.

God. Dangerous.
 
Porky said:
I did a final mock draft. I know this isn't a mock thread but just going on the record with my best guesses as of now. Pass it on by if you're not a mock draft fan.

I don't do trades in mocks, so take with large grains of salt as there will be probably 3 trades and we'll end up around 9 choices total.

1.2 - Tyree Wilson DE- Demeco gets someone that is somewhere between Arik Armstead and Nick Bosa. Ryans has stated he wants to build inside out. This suits that very well.
1.12 - Hendon Hooker QB - Probably trading down and then taking him, but who knows. Good developmental prospect that I think fits a WCO very well.
2.33 - Jalin Hyatt WR - Bringing in Hendon's running mate makes sense to help ease the transition, and Hyatt has enough juice to threaten teams over the top.
3.65 - Luke Wypler C - They need a C bad, and Wypler is a good fit in a zone scheme, which I assume we'll be running at times.
3.73 - Antonio Johnson S - They really need a 3rd guy to round out the S room. This seems a bit low for him, so excellent value. This Aggie is Pitre's future running mate and is excellent depth until then.
4/104 - Henry To'oto'o LB - Kind of a Christian Kirksey type so not the dynamic playmaker type. That's ok in the 4th round. Should be good for depth/ST and could start early in his career under the tutelage of Demeco.
5.161 - Zack Kuntz TE - I have seen projections from the 4th-7th round but he's big and athletic and has some after catch skills. I'm going more on scouting reports here. Haven't seen him in live action, but seemed like the right guy at the right time.
6.188 - Darrell Luter Jr. CB - Another small school guy I never saw live but fits the press corner type and overall traits show some real upside to be in the rotation.
6.201 - Rakim Jarrett WR - I'm taking him as Metchie ins. If Metchie comes all the way back, Jarrett might be on the PS. But kind of a slot type WR who can add depth.
6.203 - Keaton Mitchell RB - Smallish, but quick as a dime and fast as lightning. Can he play on 3rd down and protect the QB? Not sure, but at worst, he's a specialist change of pace back with speed to take it to the house on any touch.
7.230 - Dante Stills DL - Bit of a tweener type but I see him as a pass rusher from the interior. A rotational guy, isn't great at any one thing but could be in the mix and adds depth.
7. 259 - Starling Thomas V CB - Slot corner type. Depth/ST/PS type as he develops. He's got some tools if it all comes together.
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So you’re going to draft a player who is coming off an injury at 2.
Hey at least you’re keeping it Texans-like.
 
JB said:
Can't read it... who do they have the Texans selecting at #12?
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12. Houston Texans (from CLE): Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State
After getting their quarterback with the No. 2 pick, the Texans give Stroud a familiar face for a weapon. Smith-Njigba is a crafty and precise route runner and highly productive pass catcher who should help boost the Texans’ offense. — Jones
 
Texansballer74 said:
That test was totally different and it actually had more data. It didn’t just pop up out of the blue like this S2 crap.
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S2 has been around for almost a decade and supposedly about half the NFL teams utilize it. Just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it just popped up. It is simply getting more visibility to the broader public, especially as players stop taking the Wonderlic.

Additionally, it is a better test than the Wonderlic that measures intellect/education, because it actually measures aptitudes in an environment similar to real game situations.

Personally, I would give weight to an assessment related to processing speed and reaction times more than one figuring out in how many miles two trains travelling in opposite directions will pass each other at 84 mph.
 
Texansballer74 said:
So you’re going to draft a player who is coming off an injury at 2.
Hey at least you’re keeping it Texans-like.
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to be clear it’s not what I would do. My mocks aren’t me as the GM with my wish list. I’d personally take Stroud.
My mocks are always based on what I think they will do. I could be wrong for sure, but there’s a ton of smoke around Tyree and he has cleared their physical, so as of now, I’ve got him going at 1.2.
 
sandman said:
S2 has been around for almost a decade and supposedly about half the NFL teams utilize it. Just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it just popped up. It is simply getting more visibility to the broader public, especially as players stop taking the Wonderlic.

Additionally, it is a better test than the Wonderlic that measures intellect/education, because it actually measures aptitudes in an environment similar to real game situations.

Personally, I would give weight to an assessment related to processing speed and reaction times more than one figuring out in how many miles two trains travelling in opposite directions will pass each other at 84 mph.
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I read that as well. But all of sudden it has convinced a mass majorly to take it as the true gospel on how to evaluate the quarterback’s position. Some are using it as a knock on Stroud who if they actually watched his games. Would know that that test is full of crap. Imo of course. Hell half of the NFL doesn’t even use this method and the Texans are one of those teams. Question should be: Why doesn’t every team employ this method of testing? Could it be because they think it’s not truly proven?
 
TexansBull said:
It’s not a straw man. It just like every other test. You study enough, you learn the test taking skills, and you can pass anything. It doesn’t necessarily translate to success in a position. Nor does failing a test.

This is outrage for outrage sake.
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I agree. Not sure why people are outraged over the S2. IMO, they are Stroud fans outraged over his low scores being made public and his perceived drop in draft stock. This is more about Stroud than it is the S2.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
12. Houston Texans (from CLE): Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State
After getting their quarterback with the No. 2 pick, the Texans give Stroud a familiar face for a weapon. Smith-Njigba is a crafty and precise route runner and highly productive pass catcher who should help boost the Texans’ offense. — Jones
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I don't care for their draft at all... sure hope it doesn't go that way
 
Texansballer74 said:
I read that as well. But all of sudden it has convinced a mass majorly to take it as the true gospel on how to evaluate the quarterback’s position. Some are using it as a knock on Stroud who if they actually watched his games. Would know that that test is full of crap. Imo of course. Hell half of the NFL doesn’t even use this method and the Texans are one of those teams. Question should be: Why doesn’t every team employ this method of testing? Could it be because they think it’s not truly proven?
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I would say that it has convinced those who didn't want Stroud in the first place to really not want him now. Again, I don't claim to have read every post here lately, but I don't think I've heard anyone use this as a singular excuse not to draft him.
 
BattleRedBlud said:
Ok, I have to wonder. Is Stroud sabotaging himself? After reading reports of his testing scores and hearing him explain it away the way he did. I am now listening to his interview where he said he's the smartest QB in the NFL!! I have to wonder, is he pushing for a slide down the draft board in the hopes he is attainable and "wanted" by a team that doesn't need as much help to get right as those at the top of the draft? I.E. Dallas, New England or Seattle. Is this a case of a young man betting on himself?
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With his agent it would not surprise me at all
 
JB said:
With his agent it would not surprise me at all
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Precisely why it came to mind. I could see that guy coaching Stroud in this way with the enticement that he could fall to a team who is closer to playoff ready than those teams at the top of the draft order.
 
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Max said:
I think everyone should post their S2 score so we can get a sense of how accurate the test is at reflecting intelligence and comprehension abilities. My score was 7 so it seems to be fairly accurate so far.
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I got a C+
 
My final Texans mock draft

1. CJ Stroud
1-12 trade up to 3 (12,33, and a first in 24)
1-3 Will Anderson
3-65 Luke Wyper OC
3-73 Jonathan Mingo Wr
4-104 Tyler Steen OL
5-161 Mike Morris Edge
6 BAP
6 BAP
6 BAP
7 BAP
7 BAP
 
sandman said:
I would say that it has convinced those who didn't want Stroud in the first place to really not want him now. Again, I don't claim to have read every post here lately, but I don't think I've heard anyone use this as a singular excuse not to draft him.
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I didn’t say singular at all.
 
Man, this thread is going 1,000 mph.

Lucky said:
How did teams find QBs before the S2 and these other tests? Old fashioned methods like watching tape? What were they thinking back then, looking at actual football games? Barbaric!
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Not defending the S2, but have you seen QB drafts every single year since forever? Link. It ain’t pretty. Just eyeballing it it looks to be anywhere from 15-20% success rate. 2015 was 0%. So watching tape sure doesn’t seem to help in predicting anything.

I, like I think most of us, have never heard of the S2 before a couple of weeks ago. So I have no idea of it’s usefulness. Now I’m also not saying tape doesn’t matter, but if there’s something that could maybe help the process along, well, you see if it does.

Early results, if you can believe where they’re coming from, say high scores don’t guarantee anything, but those who have succeeded have high scores. It's also been reported that no one with low scores has succeeded.

Can it be believed? I don’t know. Only time will give a better understanding of it. What I do know, and God knows I’m no expert but I like to think my nearly half century watching football might have taught me something, is that the tape I watch of guys like Richardson and Levis tells me there’s no way they should have 1st round grades, yet here they are being talked about going top 10 or so. Is the NFL that desperate for QBs? But then, even Lance Zierlein, who I respect more than anyone in the business has a higher grade for AR and than he did for Mahomes. I mean, on the field one had a 63.5% completion percantage, 93 TD, 25 INT, the other had 54.7% completion percentage, 24 TD, 15 INT. One in this system, the other in that system, blah, blah, blah. So who the **** knows?

Again, look at the history, and just in the 1st round. '19 - Murray, Jones, Haskins. '18 - Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson. Hit 2 of 5 there so that's pretty good. '16 - Goff, Wentz, Lynch. '14 - Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater. '11 - Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, and on and on. Sounds to me like even the professionals need a lot more than what they've been doing to hit on these guys. If S2 is another tool that might be able to help, then take a look at it. An end all be all definitive solution? No. Just another tool. At least until proven otherwise.
 
sandman said:
Except, the people who developed the S2 are already on record that a high score does not equate to becoming a great QB
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Funny how the people here were all about the S2, like it was sliced bread on bees knees when Young's score was "leaked."

Then when Stroud's score was "leaked," it doesn't mean anything.
 
Texansphan said:
If you take him, I don't think you seriously contemplate starting him unless he is 100% healed and is impressive in training - and even then not until the second half of the season.
He will likely miss OTA's and preseason games so his development will be hampered.
More likely 2024 before you start him.
Treat with kid gloves!
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November 8 2017 Watson had surgery for ACL. He returned for TC 2018. Anyone remember how he did for 2018?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I absolutely loved the Cookie Two Step, which is the cookie dough and cookies and cream hybrid.

But everything I've had so far has been amazing. Strawberry, mint, banana pudding, the bride cake, the fruity pebbles one, the oatmeal cream pie, the cotton candy might be the best of the bunch.

God. Dangerous.
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I miss the Groom’s cake one. That was my favorite.
 
Porky said:
I did a final mock draft. I know this isn't a mock thread but just going on the record with my best guesses as of now. Pass it on by if you're not a mock draft fan.

I don't do trades in mocks, so take with large grains of salt as there will be probably 3 trades and we'll end up around 9 choices total.

1.2 - Tyree Wilson DE- Demeco gets someone that is somewhere between Arik Armstead and Nick Bosa. Ryans has stated he wants to build inside out. This suits that very well.
1.12 - Hendon Hooker QB - Probably trading down and then taking him, but who knows. Good developmental prospect that I think fits a WCO very well.
2.33 - Jalin Hyatt WR - Bringing in Hendon's running mate makes sense to help ease the transition, and Hyatt has enough juice to threaten teams over the top.
3.65 - Luke Wypler C - They need a C bad, and Wypler is a good fit in a zone scheme, which I assume we'll be running at times.
3.73 - Antonio Johnson S - They really need a 3rd guy to round out the S room. This seems a bit low for him, so excellent value. This Aggie is Pitre's future running mate and is excellent depth until then.
4/104 - Henry To'oto'o LB - Kind of a Christian Kirksey type so not the dynamic playmaker type. That's ok in the 4th round. Should be good for depth/ST and could start early in his career under the tutelage of Demeco.
5.161 - Zack Kuntz TE - I have seen projections from the 4th-7th round but he's big and athletic and has some after catch skills. I'm going more on scouting reports here. Haven't seen him in live action, but seemed like the right guy at the right time.
6.188 - Darrell Luter Jr. CB - Another small school guy I never saw live but fits the press corner type and overall traits show some real upside to be in the rotation.
6.201 - Rakim Jarrett WR - I'm taking him as Metchie ins. If Metchie comes all the way back, Jarrett might be on the PS. But kind of a slot type WR who can add depth.
6.203 - Keaton Mitchell RB - Smallish, but quick as a dime and fast as lightning. Can he play on 3rd down and protect the QB? Not sure, but at worst, he's a specialist change of pace back with speed to take it to the house on any touch.
7.230 - Dante Stills DL - Bit of a tweener type but I see him as a pass rusher from the interior. A rotational guy, isn't great at any one thing but could be in the mix and adds depth.
7. 259 - Starling Thomas V CB - Slot corner type. Depth/ST/PS type as he develops. He's got some tools if it all comes together.
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Not too thrilled with the first two picks but can understand why you went down that route. For me personally if we ain’t picking young or Stroud at 1.2, then I’d skip any QBs in the first round and instead take a flyer on the later round guys etc Bennett. I’d use that 1.12 pick on another position key position (LB, CB, WR…)
 
Texansballer74 said:
You don’t know what type of grades he had there. Stop the nonsense.

Why are you hating on this young man so hard? Did he do something to you are one of your family members?
Like I said before why do we tear down our own so much?
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Why do we tear down our own? We just had a sexual deviant at QB who happens to share the exact same agent Stroud. The same agent who was behind propaganda that Cal was racism and ALMOST had a group of people ready to match down to NRG and physically harm Easterby. It’s really astonishing some people are willing to look past that.

And if you really watch Stroud on tape, he’s good when things are perfect in the pocket. There’s a dramatic drop off when things aren’t.
 
There seems to be too many concerning issues with the QB's and the two top defense players so again I say take Bijan Robinson. He checks all the blocks and has no injury issues. What does it matter is BR is taken at 2 by us if he will give us a solid player for at least the next 5 yrs.
 
ghostlight said:
There seems to be too many concerning issues with the QB's and the two top defense players so again I say take Bijan Robinson. He checks all the blocks and has no injury issues. What does it matter is BR is taken at 2 by us if he will give us a solid player for at least the next 5 yrs.
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What concerning issues does Will Anderson have?
 
sandman said:
Except, the people who developed the S2 are already on record that a high score does not equate to becoming a great QB.

You don't have to like the assessment, even if the NFL is moving away from the Wonderlic to the S2. But don't create strawman arguments.
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Based on almost nothing at all I think the results from the S2 show that a particular player has one skill that at this point appears to be required to be a great QB but it doesn't account for anything else. That's how I interpret the results where all the people who blew it didn't pan out. Not everyone who smoked it went on to greatness. Plenty of other reasons why that could be. Without that ability to quickly process and react to what you see you're just not too likely to make it at this level.
 
Speedy said:
Not defending the S2, but have you seen QB drafts every single year since forever? Link. It ain’t pretty. Just eyeballing it it looks to be anywhere from 15-20% success rate. 2015 was 0%. So watching tape sure doesn’t seem to help in predicting anything.
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NFL QB is the most demanding position in any sport. Apoligies to hockey goalie, because I understand jack about the sport. QB is hard to play, hard to coach, hard to evaluate. Everyone's looking for the cheat code. No honest scientist would take a small sample of results and claim they have a magical formula that has eluded a sport since it's existence. But this is the one? Looking at a video and pressing a keyboard when you see something flash? Maybe if there was a red dog blitz bearing down on the testee, I could get with this. Seems like we're testing who is the best gamer, now.
 
Lucky said:
The agent. 90% of the Stroud animosity is agent driven. I'm pretty sure Stroud was already with Mulughetan prior to the Watson nightmare. But, let's blame the kid.

Now I know how I'm drowning my draft night sorrows.
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Bruh. It's so good.
 
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Pretty interesting video today from Brooks Kubena.

Talks about how the Texans College Scouting Coordinator called Stroud/Young 1A/1B

Pair that up with Demeco's video and Brooks mentioning how these guys have been scouted for over a year.

I think Stroud is a lock. Will be shocked if they go defense due to that significant information.


Go to 9.20 if you want to see the reference.
 
Lucky said:
NFL QB is the most demanding position in any sport. Apoligies to hockey goalie, because I understand jack about the sport. QB is hard to play, hard to coach, hard to evaluate. Everyone's looking for the cheat code. No honest scientist would take a small sample of results and claim they have a magical formula that has eluded a sport since it's existence. But this is the one? Looking at a video and pressing a keyboard when you see something flash? Maybe if there was a red dog blitz bearing down on the testee, I could get with this. Seems like we're testing who is the best gamer, now.
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If you read the rest of the post, I never said it's "the one". I said it's a tool. And undecided if it's a legit tool. No, there isn't a cheat code, but the way it's been, just watching games and tape and taking measurements at combines is really doing wonders, so........
 
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