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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

The1ApplePie said:
As long as Green isn't a huge bust, the best unit on the Texans is the offensive line. Beast of a TE, solid RB. All of that is built for a rookie QB to step in and flourish.
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Having a weak center is like having a humungous hole in the dike..............especially as it concerns a QB, especially a rookie QB.................and especially a rookie QB already suspected of performing poorly under pressuer.
 
Speedy said:
Then why try to get the Texans to bite at moving up? I'm still not convinced they're not taking Stroud, and I think Young will be a Texan.

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They are not taking Stroud & Young's a Texans? So who they taking, Bennett?
 
thunderkyss said:
Funny how we believe these jokers when they say something we want to believe.
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Come on, man. Nobody "believes" any of those guys. I'm as high on LZ as anyone and I don't believe his mock will be anywhere close, though he did hit on the Texans taking both Stingley and Green last year.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Having a weak center is like having a humungous hole in the dike..............especially as it concerns a QB, especially a rookie QB.................and especially a rookie QB already suspected of performing poorly under pressuer.
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100% agree. Still the Texans have bookend tackles and (in theory) good guards. Most rookie QBs would kill for that.
 
Hervoyel said:
Based on almost nothing at all I think the results from the S2 show that a particular player has one skill that at this point appears to be required to be a great QB but it doesn't account for anything else. That's how I interpret the results where all the people who blew it didn't pan out. Not everyone who smoked it went on to greatness. Plenty of other reasons why that could be. Without that ability to quickly process and react to what you see you're just not too likely to make it at this level.
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If I have to put a finger on where I say the S2 assessment shines a light, it is on those who won't make it in the NFL. The only consistent bit of data is that no one who scored low has been a successful NFL QB. And the first one that does will be an anomaly to the trend, not a debunker of the data. It will be the equivalent of 6th round Tom Brady.
 
sandman said:
Then I think you're missing the point that those who don't like Stroud's S2 scores... don't like Stroud, period.
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People used to have faith in the Wonderlic. Reading the ad copy on their site, S2 is still a glorified IQ test, now matter how they try to frame it. Seems kind of like a polygraph. Pseudoscience that can never help you, only hurt you.
 
The1ApplePie said:
People used to have faith in the Wonderlic. Reading the ad copy on their site, S2 is still a glorified IQ test, now matter how they try to frame it. Seems kind of like a polygraph. Pseudoscience that can never help you, only hurt you.
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If the low scoring qbs drop hard, I can see prospects boycotting the test next year. And I wouldn't blame them.
 
powda said:
If the low scoring qbs drop hard, I can see prospects boycotting the test next year. And I wouldn't blame them.
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Just like the Wonderlic, S2 is supposed to be confidential. Of course, the Wonderlic rarely was. They were certainly leaked by teams, as this S2 probably was.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Just like the Wonderlic, S2 is supposed to be confidential. Of course, the Wonderlic rarely was. They were certainly leaked by teams, as this S2 probably was.
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I've considered the Texans as possibly leakers because they don't want Stroud at 2. They want him at 12.

If they don't land him at 12, they indirectly f'ed D-Mulu in a happy coincidence.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Having a weak center is like having a humungous hole in the dike..............especially as it concerns a QB, especially a rookie QB.................and especially a rookie QB already suspected of performing poorly under pressuer.
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I've looked at tape on Centers and seen the rankings. There isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference between the top 4 or 5. I'd rather spend that higher pick on a different position and pick up Scruggs or Stromberg later.
 
Xopher said:
I've looked at tape on Centers and seen the rankings. There isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference between the top 4 or 5. I'd rather spend that higher pick on a different position and pick up Scruggs or Stromberg later.
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Thought about that. The thing that gives me pause is the size and standard of interior DL in the NFL they will face week in week out is gonna be so much more than any of these guys have experienced.
That's why I really like Avila - got real sand in his pants at over 330 pounds so that will give him a fighting chance straight up.
 
Texansphan said:
Thought about that. The thing that gives me pause is the size and standard of interior DL in the NFL they will face week in week out is gonna be so much more than any of these guys have experienced.
That's why I really like Avila - got real sand in his pants at over 330 pounds so that will give him a fighting chance straight up.
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I like Avila, but you're not getting him at 65. If you're going to draft a Center at 33 then you go with Schmitz. If you pick someone at 33, is it worth trading up to mid 2nd round for Avila, waiting until 65 for Tippman or Wypler, or just waiting on Scruggs or Stromberg? I have no idea...LOL This is one of the most confusing positions in this draft for me.
 
Xopher said:
I remember reading something. I can't remember where. Only 2 teams in each division can subscribe and it is first come first serve. I don't know how true that is.
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Much ado about nothing. If SF has access and their not scouting qb's, I'm sure Meco can get it for a fee...
 
Xopher said:
The article I read said the Colts and Titans are the ones subscribed from the AFC South
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But nowhere have I found where it tells you which teams have access legally to the scores, only the teams that subscribe or all of the teams upon request.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
But nowhere have I found where it tells you which teams have access legally to the scores, only the teams that subscribe for all of the teams upon request.
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Are you suggesting the Texans aren't aware/sure of his score?
I'd be surprised and even more disheartened if they aren't.
 
santo said:
I guess we can take our chances at the end of the draft and find our Brady, Warner or Purdy, which seems to happen every 10 years. 🤔
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Well if we hit, we only need to hit about every ten years! A new drafting strategy. I am thinking we can get the rest of the positions through undrafted free agency.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
From a source from the higher ups of the Texans FO, I was just informed that the Texans are split over Stroud....................not so much regarding Mulugheta, but strongly because of how they view his play under pressure. They feel that they can handle dealing with Mulugheta in that they would be ultra cautious and not ever repeat such mistakes as "no trade clause" or stupid guaranteed money.

That said, regarding the Stroud/Mulugheta relationship, college players were never allowed to have NFL agents until they declared for the Draft (Stroud declared Jan 2023). Effective July 1, 2021, the NIL allowed a player to hire an agent. Both of those dates postdate the Watson nightmare (the chain of lawsuits beginning in March of 2021).
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I assume if you knew you would have stated on which side of the split the front office comes down?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Having a weak center is like having a humungous hole in the dike..............especially as it concerns a QB, especially a rookie QB.................and especially a rookie QB already suspected of performing poorly under pressuer.
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I agree. Scenario: we use 2.33 for Hooker or a non center or part of a tradeup as has been suggested. We then miss on round 2 centers like Schmitz, Avila (could also be a guard) and Wypler.

We are coming into round three needing a starter for a dire need position. Who is left to be more than average?

Encourages me to look at Skoronski at 12 for OC.
 
Xopher said:
I like Avila, but you're not getting him at 65. If you're going to draft a Center at 33 then you go with Schmitz. If you pick someone at 33, is it worth trading up to mid 2nd round for Avila, waiting until 65 for Tippman or Wypler, or just waiting on Scruggs or Stromberg? I have no idea...LOL This is one of the most confusing positions in this draft for me.
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Part of my question i posed in reply to Doc. If we take Stroud at 2 or Hooker at 12, we certainly need to consider best OC at 33. Schmitz or Avila or Wypler should be there. Can each of them be the guy in WCO? I can not remember seeing that addressed.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Any way we could possibly end up with Bryce Young and trade #12 and such for Chase Young now that the Redskins declined options or whatever? Not sure how that contract stuff works out in the NFL but if they're not going to extend him, that means they need to trade him, right? He's a Rich Paul **** though. Ehhh.

Just thinking out loud I guess.
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I believe chase young has only played a total of 11 games in the past two season.
 
Stroud going 2!

Houston has called him 1a/1b from the beginning.

Also, the Texans really want to pass on him and have to play him in the division 2x a year? I think that’s another factor that has to be talked about.

If you pass on him, and your rival picks him up. That’s egg on your face 2x a year if he is a hit.
 
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