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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
- Thread starter gwallaia
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I don’t givadam. I’ll be upset if the Texans draft him with the #2 overall pick.
I will root for the little fella.
I will not critique his game, unless he starts playing scared (think David Carr from year 3 on). But if he gets hurt (like Stingley) I’ll continue to rant against Nick Casterio.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Will we critique him for injury the same way we would a 6'4 230 qb? Injuries happen. Every critic will say he's nostradamus the second BY is hurt.
I don't think BY could've played 20 years ago long term. Rules being what they are now, I think he can.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Well, somebody this year is fixing to find that out. LOL
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Hottoddie
Veteran
LOL! That reminds me of a similar bet I made with the whole board (I think it was this board or the Texans fan board) several years ago. The bet was whether or not the Texans would draft Reggie Bush with the 1st pick. I ended up betting most of the board that they would not take Bush & they didn't. The winners would then get to change the monikers (name) of the losers (and there were a lot of losers. lol). After the draft, a significant number of the members on the losing side suddenly cried wolf & said they didn't realize they were making a bet. It ended up being more trouble than it was worth, so I asked the moderator to close the thread. Ironically, my reasons for not believing in Bush were that he couldn't/wouldn't run between the tackles due to the pounding he would take. And now, we have Young who I don't feel will be able to hold up under the pounding of the NFL as a starting QB. I won't take the bet you're proposing, but I would be willing to bet my avatar with you that if Stroud is off the board & both Young & Anderson are still there at #2, the Texans will either draft Anderson or trade down from the #2 pick.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I'd wager if...
...if BY were taken, he'd start 90% (15?) of his games once declared a starter.
All civil - criminal- and ped suspension issues would void the bet.
BY would have to miss games purely on his injury status.
I think an avatar bet would be sufficient in humiliating me or whomever for being wrong...
Hottoddie
Veteran
Nah, I'll pass on that bet. Mainly because if the Texans take him, they must feel he can hold up through the rigors of the NFL.
I think you’re right on him being an ectomotph and it is generally more difficult to get them to gain muscle but it can be done if they’ll eat enough. If you look to the nba (lots of ectomorphs) you’ll see guys that have added size over the years yet maintain their crazy levels of athleticism. The best example of the top of my head is Giannis Antetokounmpo. You could add Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant to that list as well. Here’s a great article showing Giannis growth over the years
The Greek Freak Keeps Getting Freakier: The Growth of Giannis Antetokounmpo!
In 2013, the Milwaukee Bucks used their 15th pick in the NBA Draft on Giannis Antetokounmpo, a raw…
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There are also some pics floating around showing the growth of Usain Bolt over the years and it didn’t hurt his athleticism at all. You can definitely add some size without it disrupting athleticism, the trick is you always work on both aspects simultaneously. I worked with a pro beach volleyball player and we added 10 LBs of muscle to him while improving his vertical jump to over 40”. He got faster as well. Where you run into issues is when coaches focus solely on adding size and strength. If you remember David Boston, he worked with a world renowned strength coach and got huge. However, he lost a great deal of his athleticism and it cost him his career.
Just for clarification when I said 10-20 pounds, especially the 20 pound mark I was thinking over a several year period. For example, with my beach volleyball player the 10 pounds was added over roughly a 12-15 month period. I 100% agree that if Bryce tried to add too much too quickly it would undoubtedly be detrimental to his performance
For the record I love Bryce as a player and if he and CJ are sitting there at 2, I’m taking Bryce. His accuracy and anticipation is outstanding BUT his size does scare me
The Texans obviously thought the same about Stingley.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I imagine the coaches are very interested in him and will be bringing him along to the best of their ability once he has full mobility back.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I read your post with great interest!I think you’re right on him being an ectomotph and it is generally more difficult to get them to gain muscle but it can be done if they’ll eat enough. If you look to the nba (lots of ectomorphs) you’ll see guys that have added size over the years yet maintain their crazy levels of athleticism. The best example of the top of my head is Giannis Antetokounmpo. You could add Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant to that list as well. Here’s a great article showing Giannis growth over the years
The Greek Freak Keeps Getting Freakier: The Growth of Giannis Antetokounmpo!
In 2013, the Milwaukee Bucks used their 15th pick in the NBA Draft on Giannis Antetokounmpo, a raw…
There are also some pics floating around showing the growth of Usain Bolt over the years and it didn’t hurt his athleticism at all. You can definitely add some size without it disrupting athleticism, the trick is you always work on both aspects simultaneously. I worked with a pro beach volleyball player and we added 10 LBs of muscle to him while improving his vertical jump to over 40”. He got faster as well. Where you run into issues is when coaches focus solely on adding size and strength. If you remember David Boston, he worked with a world renowned strength coach and got huge. However, he lost a great deal of his athleticism and it cost him his career.
Just for clarification when I said 10-20 pounds, especially the 20 pound mark I was thinking over a several year period. For example, with my beach volleyball player the 10 pounds was added over roughly a 12-15 month period. I 100% agree that if Bryce tried to add too much too quickly it would undoubtedly be detrimental to his performance
For the record I love Bryce as a player and if he and CJ are sitting there at 2, I’m taking Bryce. His accuracy and anticipation is outstanding BUT his size does scare me
What I would have to point out with players in the 6'6"-6'11" height range [Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Usain Bolt, Giannis Antetokounmpo], it should be easy to see how adding 20 lbs of weight and maintaining and even improving some aspects of performance would be very reasonable to expect.
In general, most college football players (especially linemen and LBs) do put on significant weight in their 1st year or 2 in the NFL. But the QB is a unique position. They seldom put on significant weight beyond their college playing weight. Those that do, usually have a history of having played at that increased weight sometime during their college career, then for whatever reason by their senior year (or pre-NFL year) reduced their playing weight.
Neither of us doubt Young's skills.............Neither of us feel comfortable with his size..............only one of us feels comfortable taking him at 2. Whether the Texans or another team takes him high, time will tell us definitively whether he has the durability of a bowling ball or a pancake.
Porky
Hall of Fame
There is nothing in young’s background to suggest he is made of glass. The one shoulder injury happened when he fell on it. I don’t get it. Wish I did, but I don’t. someone make an argument beyond his frame because his frame hasn’t been an issue yet. Why would it now? And he’s had plenty of big dudes get a crack at him. The floor is yours to convince me.
The cat can play, he throws a beautiful ball with great placement, high accuracy, and has high football IQ and intangibles are outstanding. Although very doubtful, I hope both Stroud and Young are available so Nick and co can pick their guy instead of being left with one after Carolina. I like CJ a lot too and it’s close, but I would choose Young if both are available, and my guess is so would the Texans.
The cat can play, he throws a beautiful ball with great placement, high accuracy, and has high football IQ and intangibles are outstanding. Although very doubtful, I hope both Stroud and Young are available so Nick and co can pick their guy instead of being left with one after Carolina. I like CJ a lot too and it’s close, but I would choose Young if both are available, and my guess is so would the Texans.
Depends. If it's a guy with no history of injury, of course not. But if he's like Stingley yes, absolutely & I think most people would, bit to save Nick they're blaming Lovie.
Young has no history of injury. But his light frame, to me, is just as indicative as Lisfranc in a DB & you are betting against the odds.
Most comparable to this situation is Kyler Murray though he is thicker. Always hurt. Wouldn't be a big deal if he were drafted in the 3rd like Russel Wilson. But 1 overall it is a huge problem
I think it's the same argument that college players have to adjust to the NFL. in college the talent is so diluted they rarely face 11 guys at the same time like they will in the NFL every week. He might have been tackled by an NFL prospect once every week. He's about to be hit by an NFL athlete 5 times a game.
Look, Charles Barkley said he chose basketball because the NFL is a man's game. & Barkley ain't no wall flower
Texansballer74
The Marine
Murray played 32 games in his first two years. In year three he missed only two games. Last year he missed 6 games.
The major difference between the two is Murray is always running the ball versus Young who mainly operates in the pocket.
Casserio likely will be expected by ownership to make it happen this year which would most of all include moving aggressively to draft the next franchise QB, but he caught a break because Carolina and not him will have to choose between Stroud & Young.
Not on this board as I was against both Reggie and Vince.
Russell Wilson had added more than 10lbs not too long after he was drafted.
ghostlight
Veteran
We have a history of drafting injury prone picks and Young in my opinion is a risk. Even if he gains 20lbs his skeletal frame is not going to absorb the pounding from NFL defenders. Im see him rolling up like a BB bug after getting his shoulder out of socket several times. A #2 pick should be a risk free investment. Will Anderson comes to mind or Stroud.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He has injured that shoulder 3 times.........the last time resulting from a dislocation..........A-C separation with ligament damage, rotator cuff and likely labrium damage
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I don't think anybody is bashing Stingley. They're bashing the ignoring of the red flags with a pick that high. Dude hasn't been able to stay on the field since 2019, and just like that he misses 8 games of his rookie season.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
This. Stingley would have been a suitable risk with the Texans’ second first rounder last year. But a top 3 pick needs to be as close to a sure thing as you can get.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Wilson as an example is very exceptional for a reason. Wilson's build was already stocky mesomorph at North Carolina State.
Unlike Young's ectomorph structure, his body type could easily take the extra pounds. Even Roesthlisberger only gained and kept the 4 extra pounds he added in transition to the NFL.
Hottoddie
Veteran
EXACTLY!!!
I dunno for sure but wasn't "the Boz" another NFL football player who tried to add too much muscle mass to a frame
inadequate to effectively support the added weight ?
So... like Stingley we're hoping for the best over the first two/three years then hoping for the best?
Sorry, I'll pass.
Porky
Hall of Fame
so your concern is he is transitioning to the NFL. Apparently all the other players don’t transition. Excuse me while I double check that.
I said convince me and this is the pile of rubbish you deliver? Come on man, where is the meat? This is tofu, and one man’s tofu at that.
We see what we want to see. I see SPAM, you see tofu.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Actually since college, Boz took steroids. In college, he suffered significant shoulder injuries which continued into his 2 NFL years. During that period, he was not able to bench and effectively exercise his upper body. He lost significant weight because of this, and turned to steroids to help regain weight and muscle mass. The steroids and shoulder injuries to promoted and accelerated the development of severe very painful degenerative arthritis to the point that no doctors would clear him to play and he was forced to retire fromm football.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
A bit salty this evening TK...
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FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Well, I wasn't hungry, and tofu didn't move the needle but had to mention Spam - it's terrible for you, but I have never been able to pass up a spam sandwich, I know, I know.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I must introduce you to Vegemite one day.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I have seen and heard that the Panthers want Young and traded to make sure that he is available. Is it a fact? No idea, but it's been mentioned on 610 and many podcasts
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
obviously all scenarios are in play, but its too close to the draft at this point. Therefore for me any talk about which team favors this prospect etc etc is just talk for misdirection purposes.
OK C&D thanks and appreciate your insight and your clarification on the Boz's situation in the NFL.
Well, I don’t have anything to go on other than my own suspicion, but I think that since last season was a lost cause, ‘they’ used Stingley’s hamstring as a way to shut him down. I suspect the same thing happened with Dameon Pierce’s injury.
As a matter of fact, I just discovered this little tidbit…
Dameon Pierce ahead of schedule in recovery
"It's a bummer how it ended but you know, it's a slight injury," Pierce said Monday. "Nothing that nobody can come back from. I could have come back earlier, but it was an administrative decision to put me on IR for the rest of the season, get me so I can be ahead of my offseason program leading into next year. And hopefully, we'll see how things unfold."
That stuff is nasty! :puke:
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I will never taste that crap again!
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
You Aussies are weird
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Well Hell .... nevermind.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Here's another little Tidbit: Basic Texans tenet...........All injured Texans are "ahead of schedule"...........until they're not.
Pierce suffered a Grade II HIGH ankle sprain. Return to decent functionality is at minimum 4 weeks and usually 6 weeks. High ankle sprains especially are notorious for re-injury with too early return. Pierce was never going to be able to return safely before the end of the season. The "administrative" decision saved Pierce from himself.
From Dec 13:
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Stingley suffered a Grade II hamstring tear. Return to play would be a minimum of 6-8 weeks. And this would be further extended for safety due to the effects of his lingering foot issue. Hamstring injuries are notorious for re-injury when returning in the same season. Stingley should have never been considered for return in 2022.
From Dec 17:
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