TexansBull
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Point is every year media hype around a prospect whose talent and skill is great for college but it doesn’t translate for NFL success.
It is what it is.
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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
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Point is every year media hype around a prospect whose talent and skill is great for college but it doesn’t translate for NFL success.
It is what it is.
Jaren Handy Auburn 256 lbs
Jamar Watson Kentucky 241 lbs
Matthew Butler Tennessee 297lbs
Tre Williams Missouri 253 lbs
Trajan Jeffcoat Missouri 274 lbs
Chantz Williams Miami 255 lbs
Soloman Zubairu Mercer 255 lbs
Gervon Dexter Florida 312 lbs
Brenton Cox Florida 250 lbs
Josh Carr Southern Miss 240 lbs
Hayes Maples Southern Miss 228 lbs
Chance Campbell Mississippi 232 lbs
Sam Williams Mississippi 261 lbs
Cedric Johnson Mississippi 265 lbs
Leon O'Neal Texas A&M 205 lbs
Tyree Johnson 2X Texas A&M 241 lbs
Michael Clemons Texas A&M 270 lbs
Aaron Brule Mississippi St. 220 lbs
Roman Harrison Tennessee 244 lbs
Byron Young Tennessee 245 lbs
Damone Clark LSU 240 lbs
Neil Farrell LSU 325 lbs
Mike Jones LSU 230 lbs
Cameron Lewis LSU 195 lbs
Chris Ojoh New Mexico St. 220 lbs
Simeon Blair Arkansas 209 lbs
Hayden Henry Arkansas 225 lbs
Zach Williams Arkansas 245 lbs
Eric Gregory Arkansas 302 lbs
Colby Wooden Auburn 284 lbs
Derrick Hall 3X Auburn 256 lbs
Marcus Harris Auburn 294 lbs
TD Moultry Auburn 254 lbs
Smoke Monday Auburn 199 lbs
Daniel Grzesiak Utah State 245 lbs
Darrian Beavers Cincinnati 255 lbs
Wilson Huber Cincinnati 250 lbs
Channing Tindale Georgia 230 lbs
Travon Walker Georgia 275 lbs
Robert Beal Georgia 249 lbs
Nolan Smith Georgia 236 lbs
Jaylan Ford Texas 238 lbs
Ovie Oghoufo Texas 242 lbs
Lu Tillery UL Monroe 173 lbs
Drew Sanders Arkansas 232 lbs
Omari Thomas Tennessee 320 lbs
Nathaniel Watson 2X Mississippi St. 240 lbs
Randy Charlton Mississippi St. 270 lbs
BJ Ojalari LSU 250 lbs
Harold Perkins LSU 220 lbs
Otis Reese Mississippi 225 lbs
Isheem Young Mississippi 215 lbs + Tavious Robinson Mississippi 265 lbs = 480 total lbs
JJ Pegues Mississippi 315 lbs
Kory Chapman Austin Peay 185 lbs
Hosea Knifeley Austin Peay 229 lbs
Demetries Ford Austin Peay 170 lbs
VJ Payne Kansas St. 192 lbs
Daniel Green Kansas St. 242 lbs
No, that's not a Big Board. It's list of players who have sacked Bryce Young. Doesn't include those that hit Bryce Young after release of the pass. Or those that tackled Young while running the football. Just sacks.
You'll see players of every body type, 300+ lbers to little DBs. Just like the NFL has. I can prove that. Because about 30 players on this list either have played in the NFL, or will next season.
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Putting their kids through college.
Got it. Alabama is an NFL team playing NFL teams masquerading as CFB teams.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well the purpose of Pierce and hopefully another similar is to have a running game. Slowik system supposedly improves oline, WR, RB and QB.
TexansBull
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Because all other systems supposedly ruins online, WR, RB, and QB?
badboy
Hall of Fame
David Carr 12 games was sacked 15 times with our first year line without Tunsil and Howard. We all expect an improved line in 2023 so..
Who has played football that doesn't have an injury history? Bryce Young has missed one start in his career at Alabama. And the guy many are pushing at QB, including @CloakNNNdagger, is currently rehabbing an ACL tear.
But hey, I like irony.
badboy
Hall of Fame
What? Our system supposedly improves accuracy by QB so that rating is important as I replied to Djohn2oo8.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I can’t blame Doc. Everyone like a good Hooker. Even one in rehab.
Personally I would go with Stroud with 1.2 if you’re going to draft a QB.
But he doesn’t have as an exciting game as Young which I get why so many people are fans of Young.
I think Stroud will be a very good NFL QB. It's a tough call. I wouldn't want my job dependent on getting it right.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
How much is Caserio getting paid?
Shoot give me that job and if I am wrong fire me.
I will be happy to pull a Culley.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
That's true. Every talent guy stacks his board different from each other at every position. Personally, I never thought Manziel or Tebow translated to NFL. Johnny so called strong point was his mobility until you realize how much faster the nfl defensive players are.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Irony?
An ACL (as has been shown in the recent NFL ACL study I previously posted, has little effect on the long-term performance of a QB [in fact, the least of any position] when he returns................... far far what can be said from cumulative injuries to a throwing shoulder of a QB. .
badboy
Hall of Fame
Beat me to it as I was going to point to your chart. I keep hoping someone ignores your advice and brings huge offer for 1.2 and Young. If I am dreaming, I still want Seattle to trade from 5 to 1.2 for Anderson and Panthers to trade from 9 to 5 for Young.
Any who, off to bed and dreamland.
TexCanada
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Personally I wouldn’t put as much emphasis on Young’s size as I would his awareness. His size is certainly a factor, but the longevity of his career will be affected more by his ability to avoid contact.
Does he have the awareness to get rid of the ball on time? Can he sense pressure from his blind side? If he can take less hits then other QBs then he is more likely to hold up in the long run.
A guy like Watson (among others) has the size, but he also hangs onto the ball and invites contact. That style is more likely to get injured then a smaller guy who plays smarter.
And I’m not saying Young does or doesn’t have those traits, just that that is what I’d be looking for to make my decision.
Does he have the awareness to get rid of the ball on time? Can he sense pressure from his blind side? If he can take less hits then other QBs then he is more likely to hold up in the long run.
A guy like Watson (among others) has the size, but he also hangs onto the ball and invites contact. That style is more likely to get injured then a smaller guy who plays smarter.
And I’m not saying Young does or doesn’t have those traits, just that that is what I’d be looking for to make my decision.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Gotta love the double standard around this place. Lol
Young will be in someone’s camp ready to go.
While Hooker probably won’t be ready to go until next season.
Oh let’s draft Richardson, a player who only started 13 games in his collegiate career.
I remember a few people on here not wanting Mills because of the amount of games he played in college.
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TheMatrix31
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Wouldn't that be funny? If we went from that hostage-taking, fake ass, drama queen rapist butt massage addict to someone named Hooker?
Number19
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I count maybe 8 from that list who would be considered large or close to 300 pounds. Shows Young is able to evade larger and slower players for the most part. It's the smaller, quicker, more athletic players who can get to him.
CloakNNNdagger
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Photo taken last year of Bryce Young weighing in at 194 lbs, his playing weight for the entire 2022 season. 
Best argument, I think for drafting Bryce Young is Jerick McKinnon playing the most injury proned position with a very slight frame.
Decim8
Veteran
He’s got that lean build. Whatever works for him
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McKinnon missed over 2 yrs recovering from injury.
I really like him. He's a great fit for a WCO.
He'll be fine after he starts working out with Jeremy Pena.He’s got that lean build. Whatever works for him
TexanBorn51
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Of course coincidentally again it happens to be a Chicago Tribune reporter and the Bears no 1 draft pick
Never going to happen. Texans doing the prudent thing... pfft!!
banned1976
sleeper mode
I'm just starting to get interested in the Texans again after basically taking the last two years off. I'll lose all interest again if they trade valuable picks to trade up from 2 to 1. There is no one worth doing that for in this draft.
Larry in Stafford says this GM won't do that. He was at least an enabler of Lovie getting his way and drafting Stingley last year.
So far, winning that last game of the season last year hasn't cost the Texans anything. I hope it stays that way. But I'm not optimistic. As long as the McNair's are part of the equation, there's a chance they do something insanely stupid...like trading away a whole bunch of picks to draft a 5'9'' quarterback or one that threw 3,000 picks in 24 games.
Larry in Stafford says this GM won't do that. He was at least an enabler of Lovie getting his way and drafting Stingley last year.
So far, winning that last game of the season last year hasn't cost the Texans anything. I hope it stays that way. But I'm not optimistic. As long as the McNair's are part of the equation, there's a chance they do something insanely stupid...like trading away a whole bunch of picks to draft a 5'9'' quarterback or one that threw 3,000 picks in 24 games.
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Number19
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194 lb Young
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
People talking about who might want to trade up to draft Anderson at 2, is he not a player who could immediately transform our D? The big thing last year was the lack of pass rush, the LB corps was poor, Harris/FA/rookie a little later can make that all look better, the DBs aren’t a huge priority, you probably want a S alongside Pitre and can do that in FA, that leaves the DL where the overall rotation seems passable, but we don’t have the Edge you need, Jerry Hughes gives just enough threat that the rookie isn’t going to be the sole focus.
On O convincing Cooks to stick at it under Ryan’s would help, 4 starters we can roll with on OL, and plenty of decent C’s available in FA, TE or RB on day 1 would be a luxury pick, so aside from if the QB available at 2 really moves the needle for Slowick, then why not take the best defender in the draft when he drops in your lap?
On O convincing Cooks to stick at it under Ryan’s would help, 4 starters we can roll with on OL, and plenty of decent C’s available in FA, TE or RB on day 1 would be a luxury pick, so aside from if the QB available at 2 really moves the needle for Slowick, then why not take the best defender in the draft when he drops in your lap?
Mangler
Toro de España
How the hell does one “leak predictions?” A prediction is a guess. Why would anyone take a prediction or thought seriously? Now, leaked information, that’s different! Until I see someone credible leak inside info with Cal or Nick saying they’re trading up, I call bs.
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TexanBorn51
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Agree for a better word was to imply mock draft predictions and/or scenarios. But put any word or none before predictions but the point of the reply in the active thread was that the Texans should stay put and not give up any top draft picks. That's my opinion and mock prediction that I just leaked lol jk. Leaking information within teams is against the NFL rules no?
Texian
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This time next week we will all know for sure.
CloakNNNdagger
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Not WITHIN teams..............BETWEEN teams, yes.
CloakNNNdagger
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Remember, these are the university publicized numbers............we later often find out that colleges "exaggerate" their football players' measures to make them more "desirable." The Combine tends to do away with the facades.
CloakNNNdagger
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NFL Draft 2023: Analyzing Bryce Young's historically slight frame and whether teams should be concerned
Should we care about Young's lack of size?
https://www.cbssports.com/writers/chris-trapasso/
By Chris Trapasso NFL Draft Analyst
In theory, when a quarterback is getting No. 1 overall hype, teams want all the boxes to be checked. Alabama quarterback Bryce Young won't be able to check all the boxes.
The 21-year-old is incredibly poised beyond his years. He throws with NFL-veteran-level anticipation and creates off structure as a runner and outside-the-pocket passer naturally as any quarterback prospect since Patrick Mahomes.
Young, too, will be unprecedentedly small for the position as a professional. Especially for a top-tier quarterback prospect. And that will undoubtedly scare teams considering the former Heisman winner within the first few selections of the 2023 NFL Draft. But does height and weight matter at the quarterback position in the NFL? With Young, the answer is complicated.
Until Young is measured at the outset of his combine experience inside Lucas Oil Stadium next week, we won't know exactly how small he is. But being listed at 6-foot, 194 pounds isn't an encouraging indicator for Young. In most scenarios, players are listed a touch bigger than their actual size. Here are how some notably small, high-caliber quarterback prospects measured in at their respective combines over the past 25 years.
Ironically, it will send shockwaves through the NFL landscape if Young measures in under 6-0 and under 200 pounds but should come as no major surprise. Young looks that tiny on film.
As an evaluator, I don't grade specifically on size alone at the quarterback position. Size, directly, does not hinder or elevate a quarterback at the NFL level. It's what typically comes with size -- or lack thereof -- that does either of those things. Usually, large quarterbacks have stronger arms and the opposite is true with those who lack size.
In the case of Wilson, Mayfield and Murray, they were exceptions. Each had above-average NFL arms despite falling well short of normal starting quarterback size standards. If you simply watched the velocity of the ball out of their hands, or how effortless they ripped it downfield, you would've never guessed they were right around 6-0. Brees was an outlier because of his lightning-quick processing and surgical accuracy, one of the most striking combinations of that kind in NFL history.
The red-flaggy problem with Young is, he doesn't have a big arm and isn't ridiculously accurate with the football at all levels. That scares me. There's a difference between being short and being small. Young will likely be the smallest of the above group of quarterbacks and doesn't have a monster arm. Yes, he reads the field well and doesn't have ball-placement issues. He's nowhere near as accurate as Brees was, and while he ad-libs awesomely, he doesn't possess Murray's explosiveness or top-end speed.
There's no concrete evidence that suggests larger quarterbacks stay healthier than smaller ones, but a body like Young's feels more susceptible to injury on big hits from large defenders than a 6-4, 220-pound passer.
Size for Wilson, Mayfield and Murray didn't bother me. At all, really. They all were highly productive quarterbacks with strong arms -- by NFL standards -- and had standout quarterback traits. Young's creativity, accuracy and anticipation are outstanding. His arm strength is not special. His change-of-direction is, but he doesn't fly, and to be a competent scrambler in today's NFL, you have to be really, really fast.
There are signs that Young may ultimately have a long, successful NFL career. He could be another outlier. But measurables and traits are priorities during the draft process. And Young simply doesn't have classic measurable or out-of-this world traits, which make him one of the more polarizing possible No. 1 overall picks in a long time.
Should we care about Young's lack of size?
https://www.cbssports.com/writers/chris-trapasso/
By Chris Trapasso NFL Draft Analyst
In theory, when a quarterback is getting No. 1 overall hype, teams want all the boxes to be checked. Alabama quarterback Bryce Young won't be able to check all the boxes.
The 21-year-old is incredibly poised beyond his years. He throws with NFL-veteran-level anticipation and creates off structure as a runner and outside-the-pocket passer naturally as any quarterback prospect since Patrick Mahomes.
Young, too, will be unprecedentedly small for the position as a professional. Especially for a top-tier quarterback prospect. And that will undoubtedly scare teams considering the former Heisman winner within the first few selections of the 2023 NFL Draft. But does height and weight matter at the quarterback position in the NFL? With Young, the answer is complicated.
Until Young is measured at the outset of his combine experience inside Lucas Oil Stadium next week, we won't know exactly how small he is. But being listed at 6-foot, 194 pounds isn't an encouraging indicator for Young. In most scenarios, players are listed a touch bigger than their actual size. Here are how some notably small, high-caliber quarterback prospects measured in at their respective combines over the past 25 years.
| HEIGHT | WEIGHT | |
|---|---|---|
| Kyler Murray, 2019 | 5-10 1/8 | 207 |
| Baker Mayfield, 2018 | 6-0 5/8 | 215 |
| Russell Wilson, 2012 | 5-11 | 204 |
| Drew Brees, 2001 | 6-0 | 213 |
As an evaluator, I don't grade specifically on size alone at the quarterback position. Size, directly, does not hinder or elevate a quarterback at the NFL level. It's what typically comes with size -- or lack thereof -- that does either of those things. Usually, large quarterbacks have stronger arms and the opposite is true with those who lack size.
In the case of Wilson, Mayfield and Murray, they were exceptions. Each had above-average NFL arms despite falling well short of normal starting quarterback size standards. If you simply watched the velocity of the ball out of their hands, or how effortless they ripped it downfield, you would've never guessed they were right around 6-0. Brees was an outlier because of his lightning-quick processing and surgical accuracy, one of the most striking combinations of that kind in NFL history.
The red-flaggy problem with Young is, he doesn't have a big arm and isn't ridiculously accurate with the football at all levels. That scares me. There's a difference between being short and being small. Young will likely be the smallest of the above group of quarterbacks and doesn't have a monster arm. Yes, he reads the field well and doesn't have ball-placement issues. He's nowhere near as accurate as Brees was, and while he ad-libs awesomely, he doesn't possess Murray's explosiveness or top-end speed.
There's no concrete evidence that suggests larger quarterbacks stay healthier than smaller ones, but a body like Young's feels more susceptible to injury on big hits from large defenders than a 6-4, 220-pound passer.
Size for Wilson, Mayfield and Murray didn't bother me. At all, really. They all were highly productive quarterbacks with strong arms -- by NFL standards -- and had standout quarterback traits. Young's creativity, accuracy and anticipation are outstanding. His arm strength is not special. His change-of-direction is, but he doesn't fly, and to be a competent scrambler in today's NFL, you have to be really, really fast.
There are signs that Young may ultimately have a long, successful NFL career. He could be another outlier. But measurables and traits are priorities during the draft process. And Young simply doesn't have classic measurable or out-of-this world traits, which make him one of the more polarizing possible No. 1 overall picks in a long time.
TexanBorn51
All Pro
stand corrected thank you ( that's what I meant senior moment one of many lol)
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Since the end of last season, Young's camp has been saying that he was expected to reach 210 pounds for the Combine.
Now, NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah has reported "Young will be almost 200 pounds at NFL scouting combine."
Now, NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah has reported "Young will be almost 200 pounds at NFL scouting combine."
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Another thing to keep in mind..............undersized QB’s put weight on for the combine. Not uncommonly they end up close to their original weight when the NFL season starts.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Watching this 2011 draft recap. Browns traded the pick that turned into Julio Jones.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Finally, people talking about the arm strength which I've been mentioning in here for some time. Young's arm strength and ability to drive the ball is maybe NFL average at best coming in, and that is as a shiny 22 year old rookie. That's fine if he were primarily a pocket QB with an uncanny ability to hit timing passes, which he can. But his ability to make plays off-structure is the thing that separates Young, and that will be hard to accomplish with his arm strength at the NFL level - at least to the degree he did in college. His skill set makes translation to the next level very iffy.
However, I must admit I'm intrigued by having a Doug Flutie-esque player (+) in his prime and in this generation, possibly on the team. He would be easy to root for.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
He won a bunch of championships in the CFL, when those rosters actually had 1/2 dozen NFL caliber players each season or so. Flutie was pretty talented and probably should have re-emerged in the NFL well before age 35, but that kind of player was not in fashion in the 1990s. Flutie did go 21-9 as the starter for the Bills through 1998-2000, as supplanted Rob Johnson as the starter. He did pretty well considering he was past his prime... I think Young is more talented version of Flutie and in today's NFL, so he may do well. But then again, he may be just a guy like Flutie with a high floor and skills don't translate in becoming a Tier-1 QB, which is my greatest fear with Young. In other words, Young is 'mid' and we're saddled with that for an indefinite period of time.
Mid is the most likely outcome.
Also injury will be visiting him and availability is the greatest ability.