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All encompassing 2023 Draft thoughts thread.

Texansphan said:
The flip side of all that is that Texans are in a prime position because it's more than likely Chicago goes D with the #1 pick and any team that has their eye on a QB just might offer Texans a nice package to pay for that privilege and it won't be anywhere near as expensive for the #2 pick.
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True, but all of that was in response to the "Chicago trading out scenarios"/doom and gloom crowd
 
steelbtexan said:
I get this, but if the Texans are ever going to draft a TE this is the yr to do it. Major upgrades can be found in the 3rd/4th rd. The reason I like Mayer is I'm pretty sure he's a 10 yr starter.
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He has Patriots written all over him.
I know they never make trade-ups, but you know they are licking their chops over this guy to pair with Mac Jones.
 
Texansphan said:
The flip side of all that is that Texans are in a prime position because it's more than likely Chicago goes D with the #1 pick and any team that has their eye on a QB just might offer Texans a nice package to pay for that privilege and it won't be anywhere near as expensive for the #2 pick.
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The Bears are in the prime position. They can move down a bit, and still get a top defender. Anyone that wants the top QB will need to talk with them.
 
Texansphan said:
Looking at as many QBs at the top as possible.
This is Will Levis:-
  • "Prototype QB standing at 6’4″, 230 pounds with the frame to survive contact in the pro game - looks like a linebacker
  • Has probably the strongest arm in the draft - claims he can throw the ball 80 yards, and from his play, we see no reason to doubt him
  • Has an elite quick-release, unusual for a player with such a strong arm, alongside fast info processing makes him ideal for a Sean McVay-style offense
  • Very accurate on intermediate and long passes; flashes anticipation and placement on intermediate outs and the ability to lead receivers on deeper throws.
  • His stats at UK probably underrate his performance - where most of his interceptions were a result of receiver mistakes as appose to throwing inaccuracy
  • Has played behind a subpar offensive line at UK, meaning a high proportion of his passes were thrown under serious pressure, and he still has managed to take good care of the football
  • Showed incredible improvement after transferring to the UK - came from nowhere to develop into a serious NFL talent
  • Super smart student with 4.0 GPA - was offered scholarships to multiple Ivy League Schools
  • Consistently puts the ball into tight windows over the middle, throwing to spot-on slant or between zone defenders before the receiver is open
  • Very confident passer and shows good accuracy and feel when in rhythm. Showed better ball placement from past years and throws very catchable passes
  • Has well-developed footwork and has experience operating from both the shotgun and under center
  • Athletic quarterback who is a threat to leave the pocket and gain positive yardage at any time, with the size and power to run over smaller defenders. Can be used on QB power, sweeps, and counters and is a major threat in the redzone."
Are we sleeping on Levis?
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Good film study of him. He's got great talent and can deliver under pressure. The down side is he takes too many risks with the ball, resulting in turnovers. If he can be properly coached, he could develop into a great QB.
 
BullRushTX said:

Good film study of him. He's got great talent and can deliver under pressure. The down side is he takes too many risks with the ball, resulting in turnovers. If he can be properly coached, he could develop into a great QB.
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I have been thinking about that.
What you see of him now is what you get straight up but if if he gets good coaching I think he has very good upside.
One positive I noticed is his pocket navigation. He looks to have decent awareness and maneuverability when his line breaks down which happened a lot at UK last season so I guess you could say he had plenty of practice and preparation for the NFL.
I would be happy to take him with #12 - if he lasts that long.
 
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I’ve noticed on the simulators that the 2nd pick is going to get some action…..funny thing, I agree. If the Seahawks or Lions decided to bypass the chase for #1, they could get their QB at 2 and reduce the cost in the process. I believe the Texans could still push for and receive either teams two 1st round picks.

In both scenarios, I’ve been able to select DT- Jalen Carter (Georgia), DE- Tyree Wilson (Texas Tech), and SS- Antonio Johnson (Texas A&M) in RD1. I’ve also been able to add…ILB- Jack Campbell (Iowa) in RD3, CB- Riley Moss (Iowa), and FS- Tykee Smith (Georgia) consistently.

I believe these 6 players could really find immediate playing time with the defense. It could also shore up the middle of the defense in the process with players who can fill the lanes and enjoy the art of wrapping up the guy with the ball.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’ve noticed on the simulators that the 2nd pick is going to get some action…..funny thing, I agree. If the Seahawks or Lions decided to bypass the chase for #1, they could get their QB at 2 and reduce the cost in the process. I believe the Texans could still push for and receive either teams two 1st round picks.

In both scenarios, I’ve been able to select DT- Jalen Carter (Georgia), DE- Tyree Wilson (Texas Tech), and SS- Antonio Johnson (Texas A&M) in RD1. I’ve also been able to add…ILB- Jack Campbell (Iowa) in RD3, CB- Riley Moss (Iowa), and FS- Tykee Smith (Georgia) consistently.

I believe these 6 players could really find immediate playing time with the defense. It could also shore up the middle of the defense in the process with players who can fill the lanes and enjoy the art of wrapping up the guy with the ball.
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Jack Campbell looks like he might be a monster
 
Lucky said:
The Bears are in the prime position. They can move down a bit, and still get a top defender. Anyone that wants the top QB will need to talk with them.
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I think Chicago has to be careful in trading down, as they could easily keep jumped and miss out on both Anderson and Carter.

Say Chicago goes to 4, Houston could drop to 5 (Seattle has some extra draft capital on hand) and still get the 2nd QB, and the Bears miss on the top 2 D prospects. This is all moot if whomever the Bears have at 3 on thier board is close to 1 and 2; but I'm not convinced they are as inclined to trade down as it is perceived right now.
 
Errant Hothy said:
I think Chicago has to be careful in trading down, as they could easily keep jumped and miss out on both Anderson and Carter.

Say Chicago goes to 4, Houston could drop to 5 (Seattle has some extra draft capital on hand) and still get the 2nd QB, and the Bears miss on the top 2 D prospects. This is all moot if whomever the Bears have at 3 on thier board is close to 1 and 2; but I'm not convinced they are as inclined to trade down as it is perceived right now.
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If Poles is smart, he will be looking at a QB at 1-1..
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’ve noticed on the simulators that the 2nd pick is going to get some action…..funny thing, I agree. If the Seahawks or Lions decided to bypass the chase for #1, they could get their QB at 2 and reduce the cost in the process. I believe the Texans could still push for and receive either teams two 1st round picks.

In both scenarios, I’ve been able to select DT- Jalen Carter (Georgia), DE- Tyree Wilson (Texas Tech), and SS- Antonio Johnson (Texas A&M) in RD1. I’ve also been able to add…ILB- Jack Campbell (Iowa) in RD3, CB- Riley Moss (Iowa), and FS- Tykee Smith (Georgia) consistently.

I believe these 6 players could really find immediate playing time with the defense. It could also shore up the middle of the defense in the process with players who can fill the lanes and enjoy the art of wrapping up the guy with the ball.
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I agree with the players you picked in your middle paragraph - they would boost our D straight away while year two could see them turn this D into a force to reckon with.
 
This draft will likely see a kerfuffle in the first few picks as I think three, maybe four teams will be battling for the QBs.
Texans, Colts and Raiders will be shopping for one and Seahawks may also be in the mix and with three decent ones on offer, some of these will have their own idea of who they think is going to be The One and it will be unclear as to who Texans see as that guy, so there could be a big offer for that pick.
Sure Texans may want to move up, but someone else may out bid them to secure it. I hope that is the case. And if so, I would then trade back and try to get Levis. He has a high ceiling.
If all three QBs are gone before you pick ( which is unlikely unless we trade way back) then you take the best of the rest at #33.
 
Errant Hothy said:
I think Chicago has to be careful in trading down, as they could easily keep jumped and miss out on both Anderson and Carter.

Say Chicago goes to 4, Houston could drop to 5 (Seattle has some extra draft capital on hand) and still get the 2nd QB, and the Bears miss on the top 2 D prospects. This is all moot if whomever the Bears have at 3 on thier board is close to 1 and 2; but I'm not convinced they are as inclined to trade down as it is perceived right now.
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Absolutely. Say they trade back to #4 - Colts take QB that Texans wanted so Texans take WA or JC. Now Arizona takes the other top D guy and they are left with the rest.
Of course, they may be more than happy with their draft picks haul and take Myles Murphy.
It all depends on how badly they want the first two.
 
I'm not greedy.

If we come out of this draft with a top notch Edge rusher, Center, speed at WR and a couple of nasty linebackers I'll be happy. :D

If Caserio drafts a late round prospect at QB it's OK with me. I can give Mills one more year with a better coach. Duggan anyone?

:coffee:
 
Lucky said:
While nfldraftbuzz is full of subjective comments, this comment is objectively inaccurate.

"Super smart student with 4.0 GPA - was offered scholarships to multiple Ivy League Schools"

Ivy league schools do not offer athletic scholarships.
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When I googled it said "Big 5" rather than "Ivy League".
 
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cuppacoffee said:
I'm not greedy.

If we come out of this draft with a top notch Edge rusher, Center, speed at WR and a couple of nasty linebackers I'll be happy. :D

If Caserio drafts a late round prospect at QB it's OK with me. I can give Mills one more year with a better coach. Duggan anyone?

:coffee:
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And a partridge in a pear tree. 😜
Agree, but I would really, really like to see a young bull back there to help Pierce in case he gets injured. If both are healthy, then you have a 1-2 punch out of the backfield.
 
Texansphan said:
And a partridge in a pear tree. 😜
Agree, but I would really, really like to see a young bull back there to help Pierce in case he gets injured. If both are healthy, then you have a 1-2 punch out of the backfield.
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After filling my stocking would you be ok with Deuce Vaughn RB Kansas State : "He is extremely quick and has outstanding speed. He has been clocked in the 40 at 4.44 and it shows on film. He shows surprising power for a back his size."

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
After filling my stocking would you be ok with Deuce Vaughn RB Kansas State : "He is extremely quick and has outstanding speed. He has been clocked in the 40 at 4.44 and it shows on film. He shows surprising power for a back his size."

:coffee:
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He would be a nice pick. So would Tank Bigsby among others in those mid rounds.
 
cuppacoffee said:
I don't know how accurate the mock draft sites are, but it seems that several highly rated players will be available to the Texans.

It's going to be an interesting draft to watch. I guess I have more confidence in Caserio than most here.

:coffee:
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Most here think he's okay - just a few are really down about him.
 

Stroud looked good here on the big stage. Good touch and accuracy, goes through progressions, keeps his eyes downfield, good pocket awareness, and better than advertised performance under pressure. The Center, Wypler, also played a solid game and he could be available in the 3rd or 4th round.
 
BullRushTX said:

Stroud looked good here on the big stage. Good touch and accuracy, goes through progressions, keeps his eyes downfield, good pocket awareness, and better than advertised performance under pressure. The Center, Wypler, also played a solid game and he could be available in the 3rd or 4th round.
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Depending on how the draft fell, I would not be upset with Stroud and Wypler later
 
beerlover said:
Don’t believe Bears will accept trade down offer. Instead address one of their biggest holes with BPA, Will Anderson.

Which means teams will shift to pry #2 from Houston.
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I guess it will depend on the new HC but I would draft CJ unless the HC thinks they can work with a qb drafted in the second round. I’m warming up to Richardson from Florida.
 
Texansphan said:
This draft will likely see a kerfuffle in the first few picks as I think three, maybe four teams will be battling for the QBs.
Texans, Colts and Raiders will be shopping for one and Seahawks may also be in the mix and with three decent ones on offer, some of these will have their own idea of who they think is going to be The One and it will be unclear as to who Texans see as that guy, so there could be a big offer for that pick.
Sure Texans may want to move up, but someone else may out bid them to secure it. I hope that is the case. And if so, I would then trade back and try to get Levis. He has a high ceiling.
If all three QBs are gone before you pick ( which is unlikely unless we trade way back) then you take the best of the rest at #33.
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Agreed, except for the pick a QB at 2- 33 part.

Give me Bennett at 3-64 than Young at 1-2.
 
Texansphan said:
Absolutely. Say they trade back to #4 - Colts take QB that Texans wanted so Texans take WA or JC. Now Arizona takes the other top D guy and they are left with the rest.
Of course, they may be more than happy with their draft picks haul and take Myles Murphy.
It all depends on how badly they want the first two.
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I'm thinking if they trade with the Raiders at 1-7 Tyree Wilson will be there and he would be a great pick.

Pick

1-7 Wilson
1-12 Hyatt
2-33 Washington
2-39 Mazi Smith
2- 45 trade Cooks and 4-103- Achane
3-64 Best center available- Stromberg if Van Prann isn't there. I could see trading back into the late 2nd for Van Prann.
3-75- Best safety available, I like Sydney Brown a lot.

This is a foundational type draft.

I bet if Payton becomes HC Mayfield becomes in play to be the QB for a couple of yrs and they draft a QB in 2024. They should have three 1sts to trade and move up in 2024 to get the QB they want. Houston/Cleveland/Las Vegas.

I would definitely do the deal with the Raiders at 1-7.
 
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One thought about Will Levis - after he transferred from Penn St to the SEC, he actually improved.
Apparently he was working with some biometrics guru in the off-season and it paid dividends.
The fact he wanted to be better is also a plus.
 
BullRushTX said:

Stroud looked good here on the big stage. Good touch and accuracy, goes through progressions, keeps his eyes downfield, good pocket awareness, and better than advertised performance under pressure. The Center, Wypler, also played a solid game and he could be available in the 3rd or 4th round.
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Yep - reunite him with his Center.
I would also take Jaxon Smith-Njigba for the same reason - familiarity with two key Offense buddies.
Would be a great help for a rookie QB.
 
santo said:
I guess it will depend on the new HC but I would draft CJ unless the HC thinks they can work with a qb drafted in the second round. I’m warming up to Richardson from Florida.
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He is raw but has a high ceiling.
Will need to sit behind a vet for a year under a good QB coach.
 
That's a great sign about Levis. I love how he doesn't let being pressured or getting hit get to him. I'm increasingly warming to him being the top pick.

I'm less concerned with his turnovers now. I checked CBS Sports list of the top 160 draft prospects. He is the only one listed from Kentucky. Meanwhile, even in a down year, Alabama has 8 prospects in the top 160. Ohio State has 7.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm thinking if they trade with the Raiders at 1-7 Tyree Wilson will be there and he would be a great pick.

Pick

1-7 Wilson
1-12 Hyatt
2-33 Washington
2-39 Mazi Smith
2- 45 trade Cooks and 4-103- Achane
3-64 Best center available- Stromberg if Van Prann isn't there. I could see trading back into the late 2nd for Van Prann.
3-75- Best safety available, I like Sydney Brown a lot.

This is a foundational type draft.

I bet if Payton becomes HC Mayfield becomes in play to be the QB for a couple of yrs and they draft a QB in 2024. They should have three 1sts to trade and move up in 2024 to get the QB they want. Houston/Cleveland/Las Vegas.

I would definitely do the deal with the Raiders at 1-7.
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Don't sleep on Luke Wypler - he is the leader of that solid OS Oline.
 
BullRushTX said:
That's a great sign about Levis. I love how he doesn't let being pressured or getting hit get to him. I'm increasingly warming to him being the top pick.

I'm less concerned with his turnovers now. I checked CBS Sports list of the top 160 draft prospects. He is the only one listed from Kentucky. Meanwhile, even in a down year, Alabama has 8 prospects in the top 160. Ohio State has 7.
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Kentucky had 4 guys drafted last year, three off the offense. A WR and 2 O-line. Levis certainly played with lesser/younger talent this year compared to last.
 
thunderkyss said:
Y’all are going to be so mad when the Texans don’t take a QB.

I’m just telling you now. You’re doing it to yourself
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I won't be if they get Carter or Anderson with #2. Or if they trade back and take one lower in the first.
They really do need to take a punt on one though - you should take one somewhere every year just to see, unless you have a Mahomes or Burrow or Lawrence etc.
 
Lucky said:
On offense?

QBs are supposed to make their teammates better. But you guys are telling me Levis' teammates make him worse? Something's not right here.
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Alabama has 3 on offense, 5 on defense. I don't know much about Kentucky football. Do they have high level talent we can expect to see in the top 160 of the draft next year?
 
Stroud has to declare for the draft by tomorrow. There are rumors out there he won't declare as he wants another shot at the National Championship and he is already making over 7 figures in NIL money and driving around in a Mercedes G wagon for free. If this is the case it really changes the draft and makes Chicago's number 1 pick even more valuable. Damn you Lovie!!!
 
Xopher said:
Stroud has to declare for the draft by tomorrow. There are rumors out there he won't declare as he wants another shot at the National Championship and he is already making over 7 figures in NIL money and driving around in a Mercedes G wagon for free. If this is the case it really changes the draft and makes Chicago's number 1 pick even more valuable. Damn you Lovie!!!
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Fields and Stroud are both Mulughetta clients. Could be a case of Mulughetta trying to “protect” Fields by not giving Chicago another QB option to choose from if they were so inclined?

NIL definitely adds a wrinkle though. Must be nice to still be a millionaire while being king on your campus and playing a lower level of competition than NFL with less scrutiny as well.
 
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