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Head Coach Candidates

I like that they interview SP, shows the delta between the guys they chat with and a experienced proven coach. I never found it a bad thing to interview different types, I always learned and maybe changed my thinking. Same as interviewing yourself, sometimes you learn what you don't want talking to a bozo
 
Rich Schmidt said:
I like that they interview SP, shows the delta between the guys they chat with and a experienced proven coach. I never found it a bad thing to interview different types, I always learned and maybe changed my thinking. Same as interviewing yourself, sometimes you learn what you don't want talking to a bozo.
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These hc candidates are expected to lay out their vision for your franchise and what they would do - in great detail - to fix it. Why wouldn't you want that from SP even if they hire a different hc?

I don't want to spend picks on him ,but he would lend a helleva lot more credibility then we currently have.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Much of this is closest to the truth of the dysfunction that has taken place at NRG with CalHannahJack.

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NFL Insider Ian Rapoport Believes The Texans Coaching Job Is Desirable

NFL Insider Ian Rapoport Believes The Texans Coaching Job Is Desirable. This headline is just one of the many questions Sean Salisbury asked NFL Network Inside
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Salisbury's question purporting that Cal hasn't been involved is flat out wrong. Cal has been in there most every day, and had his bought-and-paid-for bestie and organizational spy the Jackster to report to him on days Cal was away from NRG. The Jackster fakked up a lot of stuff, twisted up communications between Nick and Cal throughout his tenure there.

Caserio did not hire Culley per se, he walked into to Lovie sitting in the DC chair and Cal and Hannah and Jack and Janice telling him he could choose between Leslie Frazier and Culley. Maybe 2 owners knew who David Culley even was in 2020, but Cal was talking Culley up in early December before Texans could have contact with Nick. Korn Ferry had Culley (deep) on their black head coach candidates list.

2022 Caserio told Jonathan Gannon he had the job and JG had a staff mostly together including Mike Munchak as OL coach and AHC. Jack had told McCown he had the job. CalHannah overruled Nick and went with Lovie.

McNairs were 100% only hiring black head coaches then, per Janice's orders. Why? Because of their Conversations For Change initiative that was prompted by Bill O'Brien's impromptu I'm Ready To Take A Knee speech on race relations and NFL back in 2020. They didn’t want to be criticized for going back on that initiative so quickly.

Rapsheet: "You can argue about who the influence came from for those other [Head Coach] hires."
Salisbury: Did he [Caserio] solely make the [Head Coach] decisions himself the last two years?
Rapsheet: "I would probably say No."
Salisbury: Was Jack Easterby the next man in power?
Rapsheet: "Yes Jack Easterby and Cal McNair were very tight, there was a lot of influence. Jack Easterby had a part in every decision... There was a lot of voices, not all of them good."
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Amazing. So the Houston Texans are a product of a family melodrama.

I hope that isn't entirely true but it probably is. This franchise is run by a scatterbrained group of amateurs making impulse decisions based on shallow impressions. There's no captain, no rudder, and the ship is getting tossed in whichever direction the wind is blowing.

Until a stabilizing personality with grit and correct values assumes leadership, this is what Houston is stuck with. Caserio demonstrated some of that in handling Watson, but what other good can he do when the owner's freaking wife can emasculate him?

If I were Caserio I would've quit a year ago and immediately aired the dirty laundry for the sake of my own career.
 
Mr teX said:
Generally speaking it doesnt go well for these highly sought after coaches that had success with 1 team for a while, left the game for a few years and then came back.

Ditka and the Saints..disaster

Gibbs and his 2nd stint with the washington..whatevers..hit or miss but never came close to the success he enjoyed the 1st time around.

Jimmy Johnson and the Dolphins…same as Gibbs. Did ok..but He and Marino got embarrassed twice in the playoffs going out on a 60 burger hung on them by Jax of all teams.

Gruden and the Raiders..disaster……. in another way

Parcells is about the only guy who had been able to repeatedly step away from the game for a few years and then duplicate his success over and over.
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probably just me but I tend to look at the coach or player rather than the history of other coaches or players.
 
theCATALYST said:
Aren't the Denver Broncos looking for a Head Coach? If Eniro isn't being considered there, why are we considering him here?
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Perhaps the texans see him differently than the Broncos? NFL teams may have different opinions on players and HC candidates unlike us here on MB where we all agree on everything.
 
powda said:
These hc candidates are expected to lay out their vision for your franchise and what they would do - in great detail - to fix it. Why wouldn't you want that from SP even if they hire a different hc?

I don't want to spend picks on him ,but he would lend a helleva lot more credibility then we currently have.
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I would love a leak of that information.

credibility will come with consistent winning.
 
Porky said:
Intents and purposes. That is all.

PS - Payton is landing in Dallas if they lose in the WC round, and possibly even if they lose in the divisional round. This is just all for show IMHO but we'll see.
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Isn't the division Dallas in very competitive Compared to Houston's?
 
TexansBull said:
This and the Chargers as well.

I think Payton said he wanted to coach in LA.

Chargers, Dallas, and then Texans. That order.

Chargers are only a player or two away. Taxes suck but that’s where I would go if I wanted to win quick.
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Where is the challenge and prestige in going to a team that's only a player or 2 away? Seems like a team that someone like Gannon would go to. I think we as fans should not expect a coach like Payton to think like we would strictly about
Immediate wins.

I have not seen anything stating Payton has said anything about Houston.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
PFT
Saints say Cardinals, Texans, Broncos are “well aware” of compensation for Sean Payton
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 13, 2023, 1:48 PM EST


Three teams have been given permission by the Saints to interview Sean Payton to be their next head coach, and those three teams know that kind of compensation the Saints will demand to hire Payton.

That’s the word from Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis, who said today that those three teams are the only ones that have sought permission to speak to Payton, and all three were given that permission only after the Saints made clear that they’re not giving Payton away.

“We haven’t settled on exactly what the compensation is going to be yet, but they’re well aware that there is going to be compensation,” Loomis said.

Loomis said he hasn’t offered a specific price for Payton because different teams have different combinations of draft picks that they’d be able to send the Saints.

“It’s going to be different for every team because they have different picks and different things available to them,” Loomis said.

“They have to get our permission to have a discussion with him, and then we have to have the compensation settled before they can actually hire him.”

The Saints are in rough salary cap shape this year and don’t have a first-round pick. It’s going to be tough for them to rebuild their roster, but draft picks for Payton would be helpful, and it would benefit the Saints if one of those other teams hires him.
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This makes more sense. Also wouldn’t Loomis prefer Payton in AFC? Not primarily the goal but influential?
 
TexansBull said:
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Is that 2 of the kardashians fighting over the next basketball player?
 
badboy said:
Great! Arizona 3 and Texans 12 and Denver's 29 not comparable so..
Does that eliminate Texans 12? Cards and Texans round twos very comparable to 29.
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If you really want Payton and you want to make sure you get him, you're going to most likely give up 1-12 to get him. I dont see the Cards giving up 1-3 to get Payton.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Much of this is closest to the truth of the dysfunction that has taken place at NRG with CalHannahJack.

www.spreaker.com

NFL Insider Ian Rapoport Believes The Texans Coaching Job Is Desirable

NFL Insider Ian Rapoport Believes The Texans Coaching Job Is Desirable. This headline is just one of the many questions Sean Salisbury asked NFL Network Inside
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Salisbury's question purporting that Cal hasn't been involved is flat out wrong. Cal has been in there most every day, and had his bought-and-paid-for bestie and organizational spy the Jackster to report to him on days Cal was away from NRG. The Jackster fakked up a lot of stuff, twisted up communications between Nick and Cal throughout his tenure there.

Caserio did not hire Culley per se, he walked into to Lovie sitting in the DC chair and Cal and Hannah and Jack and Janice telling him he could choose between Leslie Frazier and Culley. Maybe 2 owners knew who David Culley even was in 2020, but Cal was talking Culley up in early December before Texans could have contact with Nick. Korn Ferry had Culley (deep) on their black head coach candidates list.

2022 Caserio told Jonathan Gannon he had the job and JG had a staff mostly together including Mike Munchak as OL coach and AHC. Jack had told McCown he had the job. CalHannah overruled Nick and went with Lovie.

McNairs were 100% only hiring black head coaches then, per Janice's orders. Why? Because of their Conversations For Change initiative that was prompted by Bill O'Brien's impromptu I'm Ready To Take A Knee speech on race relations and NFL back in 2020. They didn’t want to be criticized for going back on that initiative so quickly.

Rapsheet: "You can argue about who the influence came from for those other [Head Coach] hires."
Salisbury: Did he [Caserio] solely make the [Head Coach] decisions himself the last two years?
Rapsheet: "I would probably say No."
Salisbury: Was Jack Easterby the next man in power?
Rapsheet: "Yes Jack Easterby and Cal McNair were very tight, there was a lot of influence. Jack Easterby had a part in every decision... There was a lot of voices, not all of them good."
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I did not see Mike munchak on that list of names that Gannon had put together for Houston posted earlier. Is he still an option as offensive line coach?
 
Brisco_County said:
Amazing. So the Houston Texans are a product of a family melodrama.

I hope that isn't entirely true but it probably is. This franchise is run by a scatterbrained group of amateurs making impulse decisions based on shallow impressions. There's no captain, no rudder, and the ship is getting tossed in whichever direction the wind is blowing.

Until a stabilizing personality with grit and correct values assumes leadership, this is what Houston is stuck with. Caserio demonstrated some of that in handling Watson, but what other good can he do when the owner's freaking wife can emasculate him?

If I were Caserio I would've quit a year ago and immediately aired the dirty laundry for the sake of my own career.
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I wonder how Many NFL owners would hire you after you aired dirty laundry of one of their compadres? You might feel good.. in unemployment line.
 
Speedy said:
I’m not endorsing Payton at all, but what? He won with a HOF QB developed by another franchise? Go look at his numbers at San Diego. Dude was not very good.

And again, I do not get arguing against a proven successful HC over wanting to roll the dice on somebody with no HC experience. If you don’t like Payton, or don’t want him here, that’s fine, but that’s a silly argument to make for it. That sounds like something the Texans would pull. This guy has been successful throughout this career? Well, we don’t need that kind of culture around here.
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Brees' last 2 seasons in San Deigo were well above average, border line great (for the time and on a very run first team). In '04 he finished 3rd in MVP voting, with roughly 3200 yards and 27 TDs against 7 INTs. '05 was similar with more INTs. And that is throwing the ball 100+ fewer times than he ever did in New Orleans. So yeah, Payton's offense was certainly more prolific, but I'll stand by Drew's development happened mostly in San Diego.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Very valid reasoning.

But, if Cal had to turn the on field product over to Payton on the condition of Cal can't meddle with decisions over who makes final personnel decisions and where Payton wants to spend money to make this franchise successful, would you buy in.

He's the only candidate that can do this.
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I don't know if it's worth it. Plenty of teams win in spite of ownership, but I agree Payton is the only guy who can remove/less Cal's influence on the team. The other potential upside is, Payton could very well insist on a change of GMs contingent on him accepting the HC job. I'm not 100% in the fire Casserio movement, but there have been some poor choices made.
 
Errant Hothy said:
I don't know if it's worth it. Plenty of teams win in spite of ownership, but I agree Payton is the only guy who can remove/less Cal's influence on the team. The other potential upside is, Payton could very well insist on a change of GMs contingent on him accepting the HC job. I'm not 100% in the fire Casserio movement, but there have been some poor choices made.
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If it takes getting rid of Caserio to get Payton then I'm on board, even though I would hate to not get to see Caserio draft the Derrick trade.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Much of this is closest to the truth of the dysfunction that has taken place at NRG with CalHannahJack.

www.spreaker.com

NFL Insider Ian Rapoport Believes The Texans Coaching Job Is Desirable

NFL Insider Ian Rapoport Believes The Texans Coaching Job Is Desirable. This headline is just one of the many questions Sean Salisbury asked NFL Network Inside
www.spreaker.com www.spreaker.com

Salisbury's question purporting that Cal hasn't been involved is flat out wrong. Cal has been in there most every day, and had his bought-and-paid-for bestie and organizational spy the Jackster to report to him on days Cal was away from NRG. The Jackster fakked up a lot of stuff, twisted up communications between Nick and Cal throughout his tenure there.

Caserio did not hire Culley per se, he walked into to Lovie sitting in the DC chair and Cal and Hannah and Jack and Janice telling him he could choose between Leslie Frazier and Culley. Maybe 2 owners knew who David Culley even was in 2020, but Cal was talking Culley up in early December before Texans could have contact with Nick. Korn Ferry had Culley (deep) on their black head coach candidates list.

2022 Caserio told Jonathan Gannon he had the job and JG had a staff mostly together including Mike Munchak as OL coach and AHC. Jack had told McCown he had the job. CalHannah overruled Nick and went with Lovie.

McNairs were 100% only hiring black head coaches then, per Janice's orders. Why? Because of their Conversations For Change initiative that was prompted by Bill O'Brien's impromptu I'm Ready To Take A Knee speech on race relations and NFL back in 2020. They didn’t want to be criticized for going back on that initiative so quickly.

Rapsheet: "You can argue about who the influence came from for those other [Head Coach] hires."
Salisbury: Did he [Caserio] solely make the [Head Coach] decisions himself the last two years?
Rapsheet: "I would probably say No."
Salisbury: Was Jack Easterby the next man in power?
Rapsheet: "Yes Jack Easterby and Cal McNair were very tight, there was a lot of influence. Jack Easterby had a part in every decision... There was a lot of voices, not all of them good."
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The only inkling of truth in this mess by Rapoport is the part about Janice orders and that's not even really 100% fact when it was Janice who was pushing for Josh McCown and Cal who was the voice of reason against it.

Easterby was a nobody. Someone (Bill) may have asked him if he thought X was a good idea / deal .... but he was not making decisions and even when he was interim GM orders were not to do anything.

4 people are responsible for where the Texans find themselves right now.

1- Janice McNair
2- Bill O'Brien
3 - Deshaun Watson
4 - David Mulugeta
 
Corrosion said:
The only inkling of truth in this mess by Rapoport is the part about Janice orders and that's not even really 100% fact when it was Janice who was pushing for Josh McCown and Cal who was the voice of reason against it.

Easterby was a nobody. Someone (Bill) may have asked him if he thought X was a good idea / deal .... but he was not making decisions and even when he was interim GM orders were not to do anything.

4 people are responsible for where the Texans find themselves right now.

1- Janice McNair
2- Bill O'Brien
3 - Deshaun Watson
4 - David Mulugeta
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Thanks for the info! Do you know who was responsible for the Culley and Lovie hires? Was Gannon told the job was his if he kept LS as DC?
 
steelbtexan said:
If it takes getting rid of Caserio to get Payton then I'm on board, even though I would hate to not get to see Caserio draft the Derrick trade.
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Couple of tidbits on Payton.

1) He was a terrible drafter, Saints drafts were mostly pretty bad. 2017 was huge though, without that draft class they don't surge.
2) He's gonna cost a first round pick plus more.
3) Payton was suspended by NFL for keeping Bountygate alive, did not coach the 2012 season. Offense scored 461 points in 2012. Next three seasons after Payton returned the offense scored 414, 401, and 408 points.
 
Number19 said:
I guess my first preference is to hire a young, OC as HC. Having just looked at Kafka, Johnson and Steichen, for now, Steichen is my choice. Of the three, he has the most experience : four years as a QB coach and four years as an OC. And perhaps a deciding factor, he is the only one with coaching experience on the defensive side of the ball : two years as a defensive assistant.
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My question regarding Steichen is whether we could be getting into another situation like Lovie coming out of the Bears stint. The Eagles have been packed to the hilt with player talent. Is it a self-running machine that needs only moderate coaching guidance in order to successful? Or is Steichen really the major driving force?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
My question regarding Steichen is whether we could be getting into another situation like Lovie coming out of the Bears stint. The Eagles have been packed to the hilt with player talent. Is it a self-running machine that needs only moderate coaching guidance in order to successful? Or is Steichen really the major driving force?
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Jalen Hurts is a MVP candidate. If you saw Hurts before Steichen, that should make the guy a head coach alone. It's the best job of QB development I can remember.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Reddick had 16 sacks in one season with Gannon. He had 31 sacks total in 5 prior years with other teams.
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Reddick was misused as an off ball LB his early years in Arizona. He's had double digit sack totals the past 3 seasons, including a career high this year with the Eagles. Gannon used Reddick correctly but didn't teach him how to rush the passer. The Eagles 70 sacks this season was amazing. 4 pass rushers with double digit sacks. If that's not unprecedented, it's still spectacular. It's like the Eagles were facing rookie David Carr and the expansion Texans o-line every weekend.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
My question regarding Steichen is whether we could be getting into another situation like Lovie coming out of the Bears stint. The Eagles have been packed to the hilt with player talent. Is it a self-running machine that needs only moderate coaching guidance in order to successful? Or is Steichen really the major driving force?
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Steichen has the best resume of all the candidates. He’s clearly had a huge impact on Hurts but he also played a major role in helping Herbert win ROTY. You could argue the Chargers haven’t been as consistent since he left. Now Philly has a dominant offense. I fully trust this guy to pick a QB and have the skill to teach them and help them become great. He’s proven it with two drastically different styles QBs.
 
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