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Double Barrel said:
All that should matter is established policy: "Seeding is based on winning percentage, period."

All the BS chatter about "fair" just clouds the issue, because the game is inherently "unfair" when teams are often punished by human error due to incompetent officiating.

A coin flip is a joke. I'd probably just walk away from the league if they lower themselves to such pointless nonsense. Too much whining by owners and fans. Man the eff up.
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I'm thinking the same thing. What kind of twisted **** is this? For all intents and purposes they are giving the Bengals a loss for a home game they were leading. In what world is that "fair". Most "fair" would be to go by what the manual says - winning percentage. I will not watch a single playoff game if they follow through with this jackass plan.
 
Owners change rule for handling canceled games
Posted by Mike Florio on January 6, 2023, 1:18 PM EST


Faced with an unprecedented situation, the NFL’s owners have done an unprecedented thing.
The owners have voted to approve changes to the existing rule for handling the aftermath of a canceled game, PFT has confirmed.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, 25 owners voted in favor of the changes, with three or four voting no and the rest abstaining.

The new rule creates a potential neutral-site AFC Championship based on various factors, given the cancellation of Bills-Bengals.

The new rule also determines home-field advantage for a Bengals-Ravens wild-card game by a coin flip, if the Ravens beat the Bengals on Sunday.

The existing rule would have determined all seeding based on winning percentage, with no neutral sites or coin flips or any other twists or tweaks.

The NFL has not explained to the media or the general public why the rule on the books was insufficient. The NFL could have previously crafted a rule that would have given the Commissioner the power to make decisions regarding playoff seeding and game location, but it didn’t.

Today’s development becomes a de facto endorsement of the Commissioner exercising that precise power, by mustering enough votes to get the change to the rule passed.
 
JB said:
There's only one game where game site MAY be decided by a coin flip
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The only time a coin flip should be involved with an NFL game is to decide who receives and kicks off.

Winning should matter more than a game of chance. Besides, that's what the 2022 NFL rulebook states. They should not be changing rules mid-season. That's a precedent they should avoid at all costs, regardless of the emotional demands.
 
Double Barrel said:
Winning should matter more than a game of chance. Besides, that's what the 2022 NFL rulebook states. They should not be changing rules mid-season. That's a precedent they should avoid at all costs, regardless of the emotional demands.
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If the Bengals win there is no coin toss. They would have to lose to the Ravens for the second time. If they lose they don't deserve home field anyway
 
JB said:
If the Bengals win there is no coin toss. They would have to lose to the Ravens for the second time. If they lose they don't deserve home field anyway
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There have been division champions before that got swept by division opponents. Winning percentage has always mattered more than head-to-head match ups. Only time head-to-head mattered is when there is a tie record for wins/losses.

Why a coin toss? Why not a punt/pass/kick contest? Why not arm wrestle? Why not a game of Madden? It's all goofy just the same. Winning games should matter more than coddling emotion-based perceptions. JMO.
 
Double Barrel said:
There have been division champions before that got swept by division opponents. Winning percentage has always mattered more than head-to-head match ups. Only time head-to-head mattered is when there is a tie record for wins/losses.

Why a coin toss? Why not a punt/pass/kick contest? Why not arm wrestle? Why not a game of Madden? It's all goofy just the same. Winning games should matter more than coddling emotion-based perceptions. JMO.
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While I agree a coin toss is a silly way to determine an outcome like this, I also think essentially handing Cincinnati a win relative to win percentage by them playing one less game than Baltimore is hardly any more reasonable.

I think if a neutral site is good enough for the afc title game it should be good enough for a potential wild card game, if that should be the matchup.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
While I agree a coin toss is a silly way to determine an outcome like this, I also think essentially handing Cincinnati a win relative to win percentage by them playing one less game than Baltimore is hardly any more reasonable.

I think if a neutral site is good enough for the afc title game it should be good enough for a potential wild card game, if that should be the matchup.
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Then use other tie-breakers like winning percentage against division opponents. The NFL has an entire flowchart dedicated to determining playoff positions. A coin toss has never been one of them, iirc (maybe way down the list? idk).

The overall point is the potential danger of precedent being set for changing rules mid-season. Why not just do this every year when an official clearly screws up? Remember the Saints/Vikings playoff debacle a couple of years ago? With this precedent, they could change the rule that week. Why wait until the off-season to discuss and vote when they can just Zoom call to change it immediately? Knee jerk reactions to change rules are a rabbit hole that could have some serious implications.

And with all the whining about "fair", why do some teams get to play in dome stadiums, others play in good weather states, some referee squads are better than others, some games have a lot more cameras, and some stadiums have natural grass instead of field turf? That's not an equal treatment of all NFL teams. "It's not fair." lol

This just seems more like an emotional reaction to a recent tragedy rather than a well-thought-out, reasoned and logical solution.

But, I readily admit to over-thinking about it while on the forum, but then I'm off to actually important things in life and this stuff doesn't cross my mind. They'll do what they do and I'll just bring the popcorn.
 
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Rich McKay explains decision to change rules regarding cancelled game
Posted by Mike Florio on January 6, 2023, 7:48 PM EST

Overlooked throughout much of a week that entailed questions regarding the most appropriate way to proceed with the postseason given the decision to not finish the Week 17 game between the Bills and Bengals was the fact that the NFL already has a rule in place for determining playoff positioning if a game is canceled. It became obvious on Thursday night that the NFL already had decided that, in the event of a cancellation, playoff positioning would be based on winning percentage.

On Friday, 25 owners (one more than the requisite minimum) voted in favor of changing the rules during the season. In a conference call with reporters, Falcons CEO and Competition Committee chairperson Rich McKay addressed the decision to change the rules on the fly, and the move to not follow the rules as already written.

“I would say it’s not necessarily that they weren’t followed,” McKay said, “it was that you had a circumstance, it wasn’t necessarily captured — we don’t capture everything in every rule and every policy manual and sometimes when you face situations you have to try to make adjustments, and this was one of those adjustments. Not a lot different than in COVID when we were trying to get — to make sure we got to [256 games] and we had to do a lot of schedule manipulation, and some teams that were affected were not obviously happy with it. But that was done in the best interest of all 32, and that really was the focus of this, is what’s in the best interests of all 32? And that’s why this was voted on, and then voted on prior to this week’s game, so that all teams would know.”

But if the league wanted the flexibility to “capture everything,” the rules could have been written that way. They weren’t. The rule was that, if a game is canceled, playoff positioning is determined by winning percentage. The league, for reasons still not clear, opted to scrap that rule and replace it with a two-headed Frankenstein monster that calls for neutral sites under various potential AFC Championship configurations and a coin flip to determine home-field advantage if the Ravens complete a regular-season sweep of the Bengals, who have clinched the AFC North title, based on winning percentage.

During COVID, significant schedule flexibility was employed in order to play all games. If a game had been canceled, the playoffs and seeds would have been determined by winning percentage, likely without these meandering permutations aimed at making a given situation more fair, or less unfair.

If the league had simply pushed to the media on Tuesday or Wednesday the fact that the established rules call for playoff seeding to be based on winning percentage and nothing else, who would have complained? There may have been some private grumbling from the affected teams, but the rule that was on the books would have prevailed.

The decision to change the rules feels strange, and it seems as if ulterior motives may have been at play. One source suggested on Friday that the Bengals-Ravens coin flip was aimed simply at generating interest in an otherwise meaningless game.

The best and cleanest and simplest approach would have been to say, “We already have a rule for this.” And if the league decided after the season that the rule as previously written lacked necessary flexibility or equity, the rule could have been changed, in the event of its future application.
 
Double Barrel said:
Only time head-to-head mattered is when there is a tie record for wins/losses.
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If Baltimore wins they will both have 11 wins. Baltimore has all the tiebreakers. Head to head, division record and conference record. The only reason Cinci got division champion is because winning pct? It's a rare unusual situation that had to be handled somehow. How would you suggest to make it fair to both teams?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The best and cleanest and simplest approach would have been to say, “We already have a rule for this.” And if the league decided after the season that the rule as previously written lacked necessary flexibility or equity, the rule could have been changed, in the event of its future application.
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If they would have done that, Florio would be having a field day going off on how fk'd up they were for not giving consideration to the unusual circumstance
 
JB said:
If Baltimore wins they will both have 11 wins. Baltimore has all the tiebreakers. Head to head, division record and conference record. The only reason Cinci got division champion is because winning pct? It's a rare unusual situation that had to be handled somehow. How would you suggest to make it fair to both teams?
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Why not just go down the NFL tiebreaker list and whoever wins the most of those wins the division and home field? I think that would be a ton more fair than a coin flip.

Probably could have done the same with regards to the title game scenarios. It’s almost like they’re throwing the whole rest of the season out the window over ONE game that was missed. This all doesn’t have to be that hard.
 
Double Barrel said:
The only time a coin flip should be involved with an NFL game is to decide who receives and kicks off.

Winning should matter more than a game of chance. Besides, that's what the 2022 NFL rulebook states. They should not be changing rules mid-season. That's a precedent they should avoid at all costs, regardless of the emotional demands.
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The NFL is run by by God,'ell. Emotional decisions should be expected. Also petty and wrong decisions should be expected because they're made out of emotion.
 
The Bengals feel like they've been screwed. They
believe that they have been given a raw deal by the league, both by canceling a game they wanted to play and by changing the rules regarding playoff seeding. The Bengals could have secured the No. 1 or No. 2 by beating the Bills. Now, their best-case scenario is No. 2, if they beat the Ravens and if the Bills lose to the Patriots.
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Texansballer74 said:
www.espn.com

Sources: McVay's future as Rams coach in limbo

Sean McVay's immediate future as the Rams' head coach is in limbo, sources told ESPN.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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We can only hope and pray the Rams are more dysfunctional than the Texans and lay the current Rams failure at the feet of McVay and decide to go in another direction.

The big question, if the Rams turn McVay loose…..does Cal and Caserio have enough savvy to get this HC hired? McVay could be coming into a very decent situation.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
We can only hope and pray the Rams are more dysfunctional than the Texans and lay the current Rams failure at the feet of McVay and decide to go in another direction.

The big question, if the Rams turn McVay loose…..does Cal and Caserio have enough savvy to get this HC hired? McVay could be coming into a very decent situation.
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Its not about the Rams letting go of Mcvay. Its about a coach seeing that the SB window has closed and doesn’t want to stick around for the rebuild. Like Sean Payton in New Orleans: Brees retired and they were in cap hell.

Mcvay knew the “eff them picks” would give him a window to win a Super Bowl. He got a ring and now sees the window is closed. Time to cash in for a year commentating then pick his destination while the Rams get picks to help their rebuild to let him go like the Saints will get for Payton.
 
How bout dem Cowboys!!!!!!!

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Cowboys close out regular season with a dud, falling to Washington 26-6
Posted by Charean Williams on January 8, 2023, 7:41 PM EST

As it turned out the Cowboys’ result Sunday didn’t matter. They wouldn’t have won the NFC East even with a win as the Eagles beat the Giants 22-16.

The Cowboys played from start to finish as if it didn’t matter.

They saved their worst for last, getting blown out 26-6 by a Commanders team playing for next season.

Dallas finishes 12-5 and with the fifth seed in the NFC playoffs and is headed to Tampa next weekend for a wild-card game against Tom Brady and the Bucs. Brady is 7-0 in his career against the Cowboys, including a season-opening win in September.
The Cowboys had 11 three-and-outs on the day, gaining only 182 yards with 10 first downs. They also had three huge special teams miscues, with a dropped snap by punter Bryan Anger, a fumbled punt by KaVontae Turpin and a missed extra point by Brett Maher.

Dak Prescott played one of the worst games of his career, going 14-of-37 for 128 yards with a touchdown and an interception that Kendall Fuller returned for a touchdown. Dallas finally sat him with 5:19 left in the game.

The Cowboys’ vanilla offense saw 27 carries for 64 yards with Tony Pollard going for 19 yards on seven carries and Ezekiel Elliott for 10 yards on eight carries.

The Commanders had 309 yards, with rookie Sam Howell getting a win in his starting debut. He completed 11 of 19 passes for 169 yards with a touchdown and an interception. Terry McLaurin caught three passes for 74 yards and a touchdown, and practice squad running back Jaret Patterson had 17 carries for 78 yards.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1612297503763726338
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Matt LaFleur: Quay Walker’s actions are “unacceptable”
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 9, 2023, 5:01 AM EST


Packers head coach Matt LaFleur said after Sunday night’s loss that there is no excuse for the actions of linebacker Quay Walker, who was ejected for shoving a member of the Lions’ medical staff.
That was the second time this season that Walker was ejected for shoving someone from the opposing team who was not in uniform; Walker also shoved a member of the Bills’ practice squad who was in street clothes on the sideline during a game.

“That is unacceptable,” LaFleur said. “I’ve got a much higher standard for our players than to do silly things like that. We’ve got a guy ejected twice. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that in my career. We’ve got to be much more mentally tough. Any time our guys commit personal fouls I take that very personally because I think that’s always a reflection of myself and the standards we set for these players. And we’ve got to be better and we’ve got to learn from that because that is unacceptable.”

For Walker to shove a medical professional who was coming to the aid of a player after a week in which the entire football world praised the medical professionals who resuscitated Damar Hamlin on the field is particularly appalling. Nothing is more important in the NFL than ensuring that the doctors and trainers who care for injured players can do their jobs. Walker ought to be suspended for the start of next season after what he did.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
www.profootballrumors.com

Broncos Request HC Interviews With Dan Quinn, Raheem Morris, DeMeco Ryans

The list of candidates for the vacant Broncos' head coaching role continues to grow. Denver has formally requested an interview …
www.profootballrumors.com www.profootballrumors.com

Only to show that a team can put a list of candidates together quickly
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A published list like this would go a long way to who is & who is not a "favorite" or where there is "mutual interest" in the Texans search. Without it, their speculating on old news.
 
My Bengals beat the Ravens and avoided all the nonsense the league came up with on the fly.
There was no fair to be had which would have made everyone happy, but the Bengals certainly got the raw end of the changes being made.
Winning percentage might not have been the best, but it was the rule. Rules are changed in the offseason and has never happened prior to this.
There's simply no way to look at what took place and call it "The most fair". The changes introduced bias to the whole process all agreed upon to start the season.

The news also didn't cover the report about the Bills front office telling the Bengals front office they would stay in town to address the game in the coming days.
That turned into them inexplicably boarding the plane that night and going home. So the Bengals did the right thing and got shafted.
Well, such is life. I'm not complaining. I'd rather my team do the right thing and get the raw end of the deal.
HOWEVER, should this happen again, the league has now given teams reason to rethink simply canceling a game.

The Bengals handled the game yesterday well and will again this weekend.
Baltimore must have thought this was the same Bengals team from week 5.
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ArmyBengal said:
My Bengals beat the Ravens and avoided all the nonsense the league came up with on the fly.
There was no fair to be had which would have made everyone happy, but the Bengals certainly got the raw end of the changes being made.
Winning percentage might not have been the best, but it was the rule. Rules are changed in the offseason and has never happened prior to this.
There's simply no way to look at what took place and call it "The most fair". The changes introduced bias to the whole process all agreed upon to start the season.

The news also didn't cover the report about the Bills front office telling the Bengals front office they would stay in town to address the game in the coming days.
That turned into them inexplicably boarding the plane that night and going home. So the Bengals did the right thing and got shafted.
Well, such is life. I'm not complaining. I'd rather my team do the right thing and get the raw end of the deal.
HOWEVER, should this happen again, the league has now given teams reason to rethink simply canceling a game.

The Bengals handled the game yesterday well and will again this weekend.
Baltimore must have thought this was the same Bengals team from week 5.
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I just don’t know why they wanted to change? And why the teams voted to give the Bengals the shaft when that could be them the next go around?

It seems that a make up game could have been played but because the NFL couldn’t find enough time to market and sell it then it didn’t happen.

Or teams having played one less game were viewed as a unfair advantage when it came to winning percentage?

Don’t know.
 
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Titans fire Todd Downing, three more assistant coaches
Posted by Myles Simmons on January 9, 2023, 5:21 PM EST


The Titans have fired offensive coordinator Todd Downing, the team announced on Monday.

Downing, who was also arrested in November for driving under the influence, oversaw a unit that regressed from 15th in points scored and 17th in total yards last season to 28th in points scored and 30th in yards in 2022.


No league discipline had yet been announced for Downing’s DUI arrest.

Tennessee also announced offensive line coach Keith Carter, secondary coach Anthony Midget, and offensive skill assistant Erik Frazier have been fired.

“I want to thank Todd, Keith, Anthony, and Erik for their service and commitment to our team over their time here in Tennessee,” head coach Mike Vrabel said in a statement. “Each of them made an impact on our organization, were dedicated to the process, and loyal members of our coaching staff.”

Downing was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2021 after spending two seasons as the team’s tight ends coach. He replaced Arthur Smith, who had been hired by the Falcons as head coach.
 
In NFL vs. ESPN over whether Bills-Bengals would resume, an ESPN reporter breaks the tie
Posted by Mike Florio on January 9, 2023, 9:59 PM EST


Well, this is awkward.

A week after ESPN tiptoed around the prospect of openly disputing the league’s line-in-the-sand position that no consideration was ever given to resuming the Week 17 game between the Bills and Bengals, ESPN.com has dropped a bombshell that bolsters ESPN’s position — and that takes specific aim at NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent.

The item from Don Van Natta, Jr. characterizes league official Dawn Aponte, who was at the game, as a voice of reason who was being pushed by Vincent to proceed with the game.

“The Lord himself could come down, and we were not going to play again,” an unnamed, high-ranking official from one of the teams told ESPN. “[Aponte] was getting pressure. She was not getting consistent and direct messaging that she deserved to receive.”

Aponte reportedly did not waver.

“Whatever crazy nonsense she was getting, man, she held it,” the source told Van Natta regarding Aponte. “She held it strong.”

Van Natta’s item makes it clear that the postponement of the game came not from the league office but from the site of the contest.

“The league did not cancel the game,” the unnamed team official told Van Natta. “The Bills and the Bengals canceled the game.”

Then there’s this, from the unnamed source: “The league screws this **** up because Troy Vincent screws this stuff up. That’s the wrong person in the wrong position at the absolute wrong time. . . . He wants to be the hero, but he will never take accountability. That’s him to a ‘T’.”

Van Natta’s item also contends that ESPN officiating expert John Parry received word that the game would resume on Monday night from “a senior NFL rules analyst inside the NFL command center.”

The NFL, in a statement to ESPN.com, was “adamant that at no time did [the unspecified rules analyst] say anything related to a five-minute warm-up period to John Parry … John is just plain wrong. . . . We stand by Troy Vincent’s comments and strongly refute this characterization.”

But, as Joe Buck told Van Natta, the league never asked ESPN to put the five-minute toothpaste back in the tube.

“We were on the air for another 40 minutes and no one corrected the idea that the game would resume,” Buck told Van Natta. “No one.”

A source who reviewed the ESPN.com article predicted that the league will try to identify the unnamed team official who spoke to Van Natta. “There aren’t that many,” the source said, “and it’s only two teams.”
And this report likely will cause issues at 345 Park Avenue. Added the source: “I know Troy well enough to know this will cause freaking shock waves.”

The shock waves started last Monday, exacerbated by Vincent’s decision to characterize any suggestion of resuming play as “insensitive” and “ridiculous,” when it would have been perfectly reasonable to explain that the league has a standard protocol that initially was going to be deployed, until it became obvious that the situation called for a different approach.
If that had happened, a huge mess would have been avoided.
 
Lamar Jackson, despite the team saying he would be able to play mid December following a mild left knee injury, as I expected he will not even be back after more than 5 weeks post injury. His actual knee injury is a Grade II PCL. I would not have expected him to return short of 6 weeks. And if he were pushed too hard too early and aggravated his PCL, he may not be able to return this season at all.
 
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Lamar Jackson, despite the team saying he would be able to play mid December following a mild left knee injury, as I expected he will not even be back after more than 5 weeks post injury. His actual knee injury is a Grade II PCL. I would not have expected him to return short of 6 weeks. And if he were pushed too hard too early and aggravated his PCL, he may not be able to return this season at all.
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He's got too much money on the line to play again this yr.

I wouldn't do this, but the Falcons or Raiders should look at trading for LJ and draft Richardson.
 
There was great excitement with the news that Hamlin has acutely lived through his cardiac arrest after CPR. But, as I have tried to emphasize, he is far from being able to return to any normal life style. His neurologic was deemed "intact." but that does in no way mean that anything but his basic neurologic functions are intact. Having dealt for decades with post cardiac arrest issues in patients, they typically have significant residual issues with their heart and lung functions. From what I have been told, Hamlin is definitely dealing with these. Commonly, these issues never return to baseline. As far as the neurologic, his memory is bound to be affected. He is having balance issues now that cannot be explained by weakness alone. Virtually all of these patients deal with varying degrees of Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Just like Injury Reports coming from teams tend to be overly optimistic, reports on Hamlin should be assessed with caution. As I pray for the young man, I know that his journey out of this tragedy is not even close to over. 1673454996832.png

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What’s next for Damar Hamlin’s recovery process after his return to Buffalo?

Bills safety Damar Hamlin’s doctors determined he was strong enough to be transported back to Buffalo on Monday, one week after he went into cardiac arrest during his team’s game in Cincinnati.

Hamlin remains hospitalized but is no longer in critical condition. His doctors at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center said Monday that Hamlin has “met a number of key milestones.”

This is a tremendous step forward. Here’s what we know about what could come next for Hamlin in his recovery.

What are the likely next steps for Hamlin?
Hamlin’s next goal will be to get out of the hospital and return home to continue his recovery. Hamlin has been up and walking around on his own and tolerating a normal diet. Based on the reports that have been released, his heart and lungs seem to be the primary concern going forward, so he will be constantly monitored and continue to undergo additional testing. This will be a combination of scans (MRI, CT, etc.) and lab testing on all organs.

Doctors have stated that Hamlin is neurologically intact. This means that despite Hamlin going into cardiac arrest, the medical team was able to get his heart beating quickly enough that he did not experience brain damage due to reduced oxygen.

One key in Hamlin’s recovery is to determine the exact cause of the cardiac arrest. Was it something like commotio cordis? Or is there an underlying problem that needs to be addressed? If there is any sort of physical or structural abnormality to the heart, that will change his recovery plan.
https://theathletic.com/4055359/2023/01/03/damar-hamlin-cardiac-arrest-procedure/
How long of a recovery process does he likely face?
Hamlin’s recovery is dependent on quite a few things, but until we know the source of the cardiac arrest his recovery process will remain a bit unclear. It could take months to figure out the cause. It is also dependent on which organs were affected and how much damage was caused.

What we know right now is the medical team on site perfectly executed its Emergency Action Plan and kept Hamlin alive. He now faces a long road to recovery that could take months or even years.

When asked about Hamlin’s future, one of his doctors at UCMC, Dr. William Knight IV, said “The best outcome is back to who he was before this all happened.” It’s too soon to know how long that might take, but the fact it’s even a possibility is incredible.
https://theathletic.com/4055531/2023/01/04/damar-hamlin-nfl-emergency-plan/
What are some of the challenges he could encounter?
There are three components to Hamlin’s recovery — physical, neurological and psychological.

Hamlin is already progressing physically. After a week in the ICU, and a few days sedated and on a ventilator, he is going to be incredibly weak. Hamlin has already been walking around the hospital. He will slowly increase his level of activity as he builds up his strength, but it will take a long time for him to get back to where he was.

Testing on Hamlin’s neurological function has been great so far. Some symptoms may not manifest until later, though. This can include memory, motor function and balance. He will continue to be monitored to ensure any neurological issues that may arise are identified and addressed quickly. Hamlin has been talking to his family and teammates and was even able to watch the Bills’ emotional win in Week 18.

Finally, there’s the psychological component. Hamlin may or may not remember exactly what happened on the field, but he underwent a traumatic experience. This aspect of recovery can’t be overlooked.

What are his prospects for returning to athletic activities?
We are far away from knowing whether Hamlin might be able to return to physical activities and eventually football. He has made tremendous progress in just one week, but the goal right now needs to be to get out of the hospital. If he continues to progress as he has so far then anything is possible. Hamlin will continue to require extensive testing on his heart and lungs (and all other organs), both of which are vital to return to any high-intensity activity. It’s too soon to speculate on his athletic future.
 
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