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banned1976 said:
How will the NFL postpone a game of this magnitude that suddenly doesn't seem important at all. Not only that, but the outcome of the NFL regular season also means nothing right now. That's pretty much what he wrote. At least I think it was.
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It's not about what he wrote specifically, or even 'pretty much'..

It's about when he wrote it, and the singular consideration of it relative to what was at stake at the time.

It's also knowing one's role as a hot-take merchant and knowing what it would mean given everything above.

It was pretty much pathetic.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
www.si.com

Damar Hamlin’s Uncle Offers Update About Injured Bills Safety - Sports Illustrated

The Buffalo safety’s uncle shared news about his nephew, who went into cardiac arrest during Monday’s Bills-Bengals game.
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When a patient requires a 2nd "resuscitation," it means he has suffered a 2nd cardiac arrest. This occurs in ~20% of patients...........but that is in a 5 year period. Two within such a short period of time worsens the prognosis, in that in each episodes significantly increases the risk of neurologic dysfunction, brain injury, disorders of consciousness, neurocognitive deficits, changes in quality of life as well as physical and psychological health.

The most common neurological consequence of cardiac arrest is known as hypoxic-ischemic brain injury (lack of oxygen to the brain). This type of injury, which is a leading cause of significant disability or death following resuscitation.
But this is not the only time injury to the brain cells occure. The ischemia damage is then followed by reperfusion injury. This type of brain injury occurs when the heart is restarted, and results from the interaction of oxygen, which is now returned to the brain, with highly reactive metabolites produced in the brain during the period of cardiac arrest. The end result is brain cell damage and death.

The longer a person remains with limited or no oxygen or blood flow to the brain, the greater the accumulation of these reactive metabolites, and the greater the potential for reperfusion injury when oxygen returns to the brain. In addition to cell death, chemical changes in the brain during cardiac arrest and reperfusion can trigger cerebral edema, or swelling in the brain, along with a severe constriction of blood vessels (vasospasm) in the brain. Both disrupt the flow of blood and delivery of oxygen to the brain, further compounding the injury.

This new piece of information cannot be considered good news for the young man.
 
So the NFL is still without a resolution as to how and when to complete play of the Bills-Bengals game ?
I dunno but does not that game have to be finished before the AFC P/Os can begin, or is there somehow a work-around ?
 
IDEXAN said:
So the NFL is still without a resolution as to how and when to complete play of the Bills-Bengals game ?
I dunno but does not that game have to be finished before the AFC P/Os can begin, or is there somehow a work-around ?
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I haven’t researched it yet to understand all the ramifications but it seems easy to just give the two teams a tie. I don’t see how it will be safe to try to fit in an extra game. Especially given the circumstances that led up to rescheduling the game.
 
TexansBull said:
I haven’t researched it yet to understand all the ramifications but it seems easy to just give the two teams a tie. I don’t see how it will be safe to try to fit in an extra game. Especially given the circumstances that led up to rescheduling the game.
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A tie, with an asterisk, seems fine to me.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Supposedly from a family friend. In this tweet, the word "MAY" sounds somewhat curious. Would have to at least question this friend's report's accuracy.the prognosis

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610644029351288833
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It appears that there is at least a little bit of good news with Hamlin............he only suffered one cardiac arrest. But he has suffered lung damage. If he is not able to get off the ventilator after being on it for 36 hours, this is not a good sign. The next period of critical re-evaluation would be at 72 hours.
 
IDEXAN said:
So the NFL is still without a resolution as to how and when to complete play of the Bills-Bengals game ?
I dunno but does not that game have to be finished before the AFC P/Os can begin, or is there somehow a work-around ?
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I think both teams will have 16 game schedules. One analyst was explaining that a tie could hurt both teams in head-to-head rankings, and neither franchise should be punished for what happened on Monday.
 
Here in Cincinnati there is a lot of talk about what's going to happen.
Many feel the game is simply going to not count. The Bengals and Bills will both finish with one less game and winning percentage becomes the differentiator.
If that is in fact what the league decides, the Chiefs, Bills and Bengals are the 1-3 seeds and the final week may or may not see any movement between them.
If KC wins Saturday, they would be the #1. If they lose and the Bills win, the Bills get the #1. The Bengals could only get to #2.
Neither of those three teams can finish any worse than the 3rd seed even if they lose this week.

Prior to what happened Monday night, the Bengals still had a shot at the #1 by winning out and a KC loss to the Raiders. That's would no longer be the case.
There is not an option that isn't unfair in one shape or another. By just moving forward, it's the easiest for all teams involved.
My thinking is to simply let week 18 play out and see what happens. Then compare and contrast options if the Bengals and Bills game were to be played later.
If you are a fan that like to tinker with the ESPN playoff machine, they are currently treating the machine as if the Bengals/Bills game just goes away.
As much as would have liked to have seen if my Bengals could have gotten to the #1 seed, I also like to think I'm reasonable.
Given the horrible events, I will take the #2 or 3 seed and move forward focusing on the playoffs.
If the Bengals and Bills win their first playoff games, they would face each again in the divisional round.

Cool by me...
 
Speedy said:
Just canceling the game and seeding teams by winning percentage is probably what they need to do. Honestly though, I don't see how the Bills are even ready to play the Pats Sunday.
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WSJ article today said there is conversations between the league and players union into the possibility of moving everything a week later. The only other time they did this was 09/11, but that provided more leeway since it was at the beginning of the season.

According to the article, a percentage of players are questioning if they can play this weekend. This is unprecedented. Hopefully it's just a singularity.
 
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The league had made the comment last week that if the Bengals / Ravens game was for the AFC North title, the game would be moved to the late afternoon slot.
Now we are being told the game will remain at the 1pm time slot, which would indicate the Monday night game will simply not be counted.
The best we can hope for is the #2 seed, but I cannot say as I would be happier about that than the #3 when considering what Buffalo is dealing with.

Can't say as I've heard anyone here even bring up the fact that this would make the Bengals AFC North champions.
Yeah? Seems so meaningless when you think of Hamlin fighting for his life.
 
My crystal ball says the NFL will milk additional money out of the cow any time they can as tone deaf as that seems. I expect they will start the NFC wild cards next week along with the conclusion of the Bills/Bengals. The following week will be the AFC wild cards with the NFC off. The 3rd week will be NFC and AFC divisional rounds, 4th week (currently no games) will be the conference championships and the SB doesn't move. NFL gains another weekend of ratings. Even though all playoff games are televised anyway, having an additional week of games will add $$$$$.
 
Double Barrel said:
WSJ article today said there is conversations between the league and players union into the possibility of moving everything a week later. The only other time they did this was 09/11, but that provided more leeway since it was at the beginning of the season.

According to the article, a percentage of players are questioning if they can play this weekend. This is unprecedented. Hopefully it's just a singularity.
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ArmyBengal said:
The league had made the comment last week that if the Bengals / Ravens game was for the AFC North title, the game would be moved to the late afternoon slot.
Now we are being told the game will remain at the 1pm time slot, which would indicate the Monday night game will simply not be counted.
The best we can hope for is the #2 seed, but I cannot say as I would be happier about that than the #3 when considering what Buffalo is dealing with.

Can't say as I've heard anyone here even bring up the fact that this would make the Bengals AFC North champions.
Yeah? Seems so meaningless when you think of Hamlin fighting for his life.
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You can only move games around or delay games so much.

Many of the stadiums may have events planned when the teams aren’t playing or there are schedules like when the Super Bowl takes place.

I would think this is also part of the difficulty.
 
ArmyBengal said:
My son and I were at the game. 10 rows up from the field, not even 10 yards from where Hamlin went down. Scariest stuff I've ever seen on a football field.
The stadium was electric in anticipation of the game, the AFC North title and implications with the #1 seed on the line.
The first matchup between two young great QB's in Allen and Burrow. IT WAS SO LOUD in the open air stadium.
Then it happened. It went so quiet in that place it was eerie. Like putting on noise canceling headphones.
Seeing these athletes just losing themselves on the field, you just knew the game was going to get canceled. No way it continued.
Everyone knew it, but no one left. I've never been more proud of our fans and city for the way everyone handled this terrible situation.
The players parents that were in attendance were coming down to be with their sons. Tee Higgins was just sobbing in his mothers embrace.
I don't know how this is going to play out, but it's a constant feed here in Cincinnati with updates and hearing from the Hamlin family.
Football is just secondary at this point. God love everyone involved. Thought I would share what we experienced here.
Take care everyone. Hug your loved ones !!
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Not Higgins fault but will remain with him.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Since he is unconscious on life support, I would hope that his physicians are familiar with hypothermia to try to preserve as much of his cardiac and brain function by reducing their metabolic needs. Have used this in the past with improved outcomes in some cases. Have not heard anything of this technique being utilized on Hamlin.

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doc is not this procedure also being used with CVAs?
 
Mollywhopper said:
It's not about what he wrote specifically, or even 'pretty much'..

It's about when he wrote it, and the singular consideration of it relative to what was at stake at the time.

It's also knowing one's role as a hot-take merchant and knowing what it would mean given everything above.

It was pretty much pathetic.
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Knowing Bayless history I saw his comment as turning attention to himself at a terrible time. He was inserting himself like many in media do.
 
$20 million per year for Harbough?


The Broncos' new ownership group is reportedly willing to break the bank for its next head coach.

According to Colin Cowherd of FS1, the Broncos might consider offering Michigan head coach Jim Harbaugh a salary of $20 million.
If the Broncos pursue Sean Payton, they would reportedly offer more than $20 million for the 2023 season.

“The Denver Broncos job, if it is offered, I am told the salary is $20 million (per year) for Harbaugh,” Cowherd said. “It would be greater for Sean Payton, mid-20s. That’s what I know.”
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Broncos Reportedly Preparing $20 Million Per Season Coach Offer

The Broncos' new ownership group is reportedly willing to break the bank for its next head coach. According to Colin Cowherd of FS1, the Broncos might
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Soooo back to Hamlin. Watched the hit and didn’t look bad at all, but heck if a baseball could cause it I guess it’s more timing and placement. But Cloak I have a question for you do to you being the most professional person I know to ask. That type of heart attack, can a doctor know for sure if that’s what happened or do they just look at what the body was going through at the time and make a educated guess. I guess I gotta bring up Covid/vaccines, do you think it’s wrong to question this blame? I’m trying to get a strictly medical point of view absent of politics. Thanks again in advance.


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CloakNNNdagger said:
When a patient requires a 2nd "resuscitation," it means he has suffered a 2nd cardiac arrest. This occurs in ~20% of patients...........but that is in a 5 year period. Two within such a short period of time worsens the prognosis, in that in each episodes significantly increases the risk of neurologic dysfunction, brain injury, disorders of consciousness, neurocognitive deficits, changes in quality of life as well as physical and psychological health.

The most common neurological consequence of cardiac arrest is known as hypoxic-ischemic brain injury (lack of oxygen to the brain). This type of injury, which is a leading cause of significant disability or death following resuscitation.
But this is not the only time injury to the brain cells occure. The ischemia damage is then followed by reperfusion injury. This type of brain injury occurs when the heart is restarted, and results from the interaction of oxygen, which is now returned to the brain, with highly reactive metabolites produced in the brain during the period of cardiac arrest. The end result is brain cell damage and death.

The longer a person remains with limited or no oxygen or blood flow to the brain, the greater the accumulation of these reactive metabolites, and the greater the potential for reperfusion injury when oxygen returns to the brain. In addition to cell death, chemical changes in the brain during cardiac arrest and reperfusion can trigger cerebral edema, or swelling in the brain, along with a severe constriction of blood vessels (vasospasm) in the brain. Both disrupt the flow of blood and delivery of oxygen to the brain, further compounding the injury.

This new piece of information cannot be considered good news for the young man.
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This is the only place we can get this type of information and have it explained in laymens terms so that guy's like me can understand.

We're so fortunate to have CnD on this MB.

Thanks Doc
 
PFT
Bills: Damar Hamlin has made “remarkable improvement” in past 24 hours
Posted by Josh Alper on January 5, 2023, 10:37 AM EST

The Bills issued an update on safety Damar Hamlin‘s condition on Thursday morning.

In a statement, the team says that Hamlin continues to make progress in his recovery from the effects of going into cardiac arrest on the field during this week’s game against the Bengals.

“Per the physicians caring for Damar Hamlin at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, Damar has shown remarkable improvement over the past 24 hours,” the statement said. “While still critically ill, he has demonstrated that he appears to be neurologically intact. His lungs continue to heal and he is making steady progress. We are grateful for the love and support we have received.”

Hamlin’s agents also released a statement calling his improvement “substantial” and offering further thanks to medical personnel for their work and to those who have offered support to Hamlin over the last few days.

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I hope that this is accurate. However, I must remain guarded regarding the statement "remarkable improvement".......................improvement from what state? Also the statement "he appears to be neurologically intact".............testing in a non fully conscious/sedated patient can be performed to determine some basic motor neurologic function (not all cranial nerves can be tested), but cannot in any way effectively determine mental status.
 
pirbroke said:
Soooo back to Hamlin. Watched the hit and didn’t look bad at all, but heck if a baseball could cause it I guess it’s more timing and placement. But Cloak I have a question for you do to you being the most professional person I know to ask. That type of heart attack, can a doctor know for sure if that’s what happened or do they just look at what the body was going through at the time and make a educated guess. I guess I gotta bring up Covid/vaccines, do you think it’s wrong to question this blame? I’m trying to get a strictly medical point of view absent of politics. Thanks again in advance.
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It's a good question based on data, but, unfortunately even being a critical thinker without an agenda gets you attacked for asking the wrong questions these days.

That said, it deserves to be asked regardless if anyone/everyone wants to ignore obvious concerns when you read the following:

Cedars-Sinai: COVID-19 Surges Linked to Spike in Heart Attacks

"The spikes in heart attack deaths have tracked with surges of COVID-19 infection—even during the presumed less-severe Omicron phase of the pandemic. Furthermore, the data showed the increase was most significant among individuals ages 25-44, who are not usually considered at high risk for heart attack."

This is not about politics, so let's all refrain from bringing it there. My only objective here is to look at the data from a medical science perspective in order to ascertain potential increased risks of heart problems.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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Bills: Damar Hamlin has made “remarkable improvement” in past 24 hours
Posted by Josh Alper on January 5, 2023, 10:37 AM EST

The Bills issued an update on safety Damar Hamlin‘s condition on Thursday morning.

In a statement, the team says that Hamlin continues to make progress in his recovery from the effects of going into cardiac arrest on the field during this week’s game against the Bengals.

“Per the physicians caring for Damar Hamlin at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, Damar has shown remarkable improvement over the past 24 hours,” the statement said. “While still critically ill, he has demonstrated that he appears to be neurologically intact. His lungs continue to heal and he is making steady progress. We are grateful for the love and support we have received.”

Hamlin’s agents also released a statement calling his improvement “substantial” and offering further thanks to medical personnel for their work and to those who have offered support to Hamlin over the last few days.

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I hope that this is accurate. However, I must remain guarded regarding the statement "remarkable improvement".......................improvement from what state? Also the statement "he appears to be neurologically intact".............testing in a non fully conscious/sedated patient can be performed to determine some basic motor neurologic function (not all cranial nerves can be tested), but cannot in any way effectively determine mental status.
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I’ve been watching the doctors take questions for the last half hour on EsPN. The first question Damar wrote on the pad they gave him is “did we win” so it appears the assessment is pretty spot on.
 
Finally, possibly some encouraging news. Hamlin is still intubated, but has been able to limitedly communicate (writing). He supposedly was able to communicate the question..........."Did we win?" He is still far from over the hump of his long-term cardiac and pulmonary status, and his overall cognitive skills. He is still considered "critical." For him to be upgraded from critical to stable condition, he will need to be taken off the breathing tube and show more improved neurological and respiratory functions. But baby steps are certainly positive.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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Bills: Damar Hamlin has made “remarkable improvement” in past 24 hours
Posted by Josh Alper on January 5, 2023, 10:37 AM EST

The Bills issued an update on safety Damar Hamlin‘s condition on Thursday morning.

In a statement, the team says that Hamlin continues to make progress in his recovery from the effects of going into cardiac arrest on the field during this week’s game against the Bengals.

“Per the physicians caring for Damar Hamlin at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, Damar has shown remarkable improvement over the past 24 hours,” the statement said. “While still critically ill, he has demonstrated that he appears to be neurologically intact. His lungs continue to heal and he is making steady progress. We are grateful for the love and support we have received.”

Hamlin’s agents also released a statement calling his improvement “substantial” and offering further thanks to medical personnel for their work and to those who have offered support to Hamlin over the last few days.

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I hope that this is accurate. However, I must remain guarded regarding the statement "remarkable improvement".......................improvement from what state? Also the statement "he appears to be neurologically intact".............testing in a non fully conscious/sedated patient can be performed to determine some basic motor neurologic function (not all cranial nerves can be tested), but cannot in any way effectively determine mental status.
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I read that as doctors trying to give family some sort of hope. I do not expect much but continue to pray
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Finally, possibly some encouraging news. Hamlin is still intubated, but has been able to limitedly communicate (writing). He supposedly was able to communicate the question..........."Did we win?" He is still far from over the hump of his long-term cardiac and pulmonary status, and his overall cognitive skills. He is still considered "critical." For him to be upgraded from critical to stable condition, he will need to be taken off the breathing tube and show more improved neurological and respiratory functions. But baby steps are certainly positive.
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They were describing the process for slowly taking him off the ventilator but besides that they were real cautious and it almost felt like they didn’t want to jinx anything or over promise and under deliver. That’s got to be a difficult position to be in because the media were asking some stupid questions.
 
NFL set to cancel Bills-Bengals game and is now considering some wild scenarios for AFC playoffs, per reports

The NFL has made the decision to cancel the Bills-Bengals game that was postponed on Monday night, according to the Associated Press.

Although cancelling the game was arguably the easiest solution, it still creates several issues.

If the league sticks to its standard playoff format following the cancellation, all playoff seedings would be decided by winning percentage, which would be good for the Bengals, but bad for the Bills. In this case, the cancellation would give the AFC North title to the Bengals before they even take the field against Baltimore on Sunday.

The owners will hold a meeting on Friday regarding the AFC playoff-seeding issues, according to multiple reports.

Here's a quick look at the biggest ramifications from the cancellation if the NFL sticks to its standard format for deciding playoff teams:
  1. Chiefs in the driver's seat for the No. 1 seed. The Bills (12-3) were in a spot to clinch the No. 1 overall seed by winning their final two games over Cincinnati and New England, but with the Bengals game canceled, the Chiefs (13-3) now would control the fate of the top seed. Kansas City would only have to beat the Raiders on Saturday to clinch the No. 1 seed in the AFC.
  2. Bengals win the AFC North. The Ravens (10-6) probably won't be thrilled with the Bills-Bengals cancellation, and that's because the decision would give the AFC North title to Cincinnati. Even if the Ravens win on Sunday against the Bengals, that would put them at 11-6, which would still be a half game behind the Bengals, who would finish 11-5 with a loss. With a win over Cincinnati, the Ravens would sweep the Bengals and have the better division record, but still not get the AFC North crown.
  3. Bengals can't get the No. 1 seed. The upside for the Bengals is that this cancellation would give them the division title, but the downside is that it prevents them from getting the top seed in the AFC. If the Bengals had beaten the Bills and Ravens to close the season, combined with a Chiefs' loss in Week 18, Cincinnati would have gotten the top seed, but the No. 1 seed will become impossible to claim for the Bengals with the cancellation.

Here are several wild scenarios that the league is reportedly considering for the AFC playoffs.
  • No. 1 seed gets to pick home-field advantage or first-round bye. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the league is kicking around the idea of giving the one-seed the option of taking EITHER home field advantage or getting a first-round bye. The No. 2 seed would then get the leftover option.
  • Neutral site AFC title game. Another idea the league is considering would be to have a neutral-site AFC Championship, but only if the Bengals or Bills make it to the game. This means that if the Chiefs got the No. 1 seed, they would host any team seeded fourth or worse, but they would play at a neutral site against the Bills or Bengals.
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Really appears there's no solution that will satisfy everyone. I think keeping in mind what a uniquely difficult and pretty anomalous situation this is, and coupled with Hamlin's hopeful continued progress, should allow perspective for everyone involved. Probably also doesn't hurt that we're still not all that far removed from the 'covid season' where we learned that sometimes you just gotta make chicken salad outta chicken sh*t.

Still would be pretty wild to see any of those playoff scenarios come to fruition.
 
Mollywhopper said:
NFL set to cancel Bills-Bengals game and is now considering some wild scenarios for AFC playoffs, per reports

Really appears there's no solution that will satisfy everyone. I think keeping in mind what a uniquely difficult and pretty anomalous situation this is, and coupled with Hamlin's hopeful continued progress, should allow perspective for everyone involved. Probably also doesn't hurt that we're still not all that far removed from the 'covid season' where we learned that sometimes you just gotta make chicken salad outta chicken sh*t.

Still would be pretty wild to see any of those playoff scenarios come to fruition.
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Could be a logistics nightmare for a neutral site. Plus say the Chiefs are the 1 seed and choose home field over a bye, which would be dumb to choose to play an extra game, but say they do. The title game would have to be played in KC no matter who is in, right? Doesn't make sense to give that option to a team then they don't get to play at home in the title game if they get there. Might make more sense if Buffalo and Cincy played in the title game though. Play it in Detroit or something. I don't know. Will be interesting to see what they decide. Glad they're not replaying the game though and pushing everything back a week.
 
Speedy said:
Could be a logistics nightmare for a neutral site. Plus say the Chiefs are the 1 seed and choose home field over a bye, which would be dumb to choose to play an extra game, but say they do. The title game would have to be played in KC no matter who is in, right? Doesn't make sense to give that option to a team then they don't get to play at home in the title game if they get there. Might make more sense if Buffalo and Cincy played in the title game though. Play it in Detroit or something. I don't know. Will be interesting to see what they decide. Glad they're not replaying the game though and pushing everything back a week.
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I'm not following you here. If KC were to choose home field over the bye my understanding is that they'd get the home field site as long as they make the title game and if they don't whoever is the highest remaining seed gets it. If they choose the bye over home field then they play the 1-seed route but play away in the title game as long as they play the 2-seed, at home versus anyone else.

Not sure if that helped or not, but just trying my hand to see if we're seeing the same thing.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I'm not following you here. If KC were to choose home field over the bye my understanding is that they'd get the home field site as long as they make the title game and if they don't whoever is the highest remaining seed gets it. If they choose the bye over home field then they play the 1-seed route but play away in the title game as long as they play the 2-seed, at home versus anyone else.

Not sure if that helped or not, but just trying my hand to see if we're seeing the same thing.
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Another idea the league is considering would be to have a neutral-site AFC Championship, but only if the Bengals or Bills make it to the game. This means that if the Chiefs got the No. 1 seed, they would host any team seeded fourth or worse, but they would play at a neutral site against the Bills or Bengals.
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That's saying that if the Chiefs are the 1 seed they don't play at home if the Bengals or Bills are in it. Or maybe they're talking about not doing both options, meaning if the NFL chooses the neutral site title game then the choose home field or a bye is not offered or vice versa?
 
Speedy said:
That's saying that if the Chiefs are the 1 seed they don't play at home if the Bengals or Bills are in it. Or maybe they're talking about not doing both options, meaning if the NFL chooses the neutral site title game then the choose home field or a bye is not offered or vice versa?
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The latter is how I understand it. They're either/or options, not both.

They go with the home field/bye choice by the 1 seed or they go with the neutral site afc title game.
 
Texazan said:
They were describing the process for slowly taking him off the ventilator but besides that they were real cautious and it almost felt like they didn’t want to jinx anything or over promise and under deliver. That’s got to be a difficult position to be in because the media were asking some stupid questions.
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There are pretty set guidelines to weening a patient off of a respiratory. You don't prolong the time on a ventilator just for caution's sake. Mechanical ventilation potentially injures both normal and diseased (already injured) lungs. However, the injury will typically be much more severe in the latter. Hamlin is reported to have "damage to his lungs." So the last thing you would want to do is unnecessarily prolong his time on the mechanical ventilator.
 
NFL’s proposed approach to cancellation of Bills-Bengals conflicts with 2022 policy manual
Posted by Mike Florio on January 5, 2023, 10:25 PM EST


The NFL’s owners will vote on Friday regarding the specific protocol for playing postseason games among the various AFC teams based on the cancellation of the Week 17 game between the Bills and Bengals.

Some have expressed curiosity and confusion as to why the owners must be involved in the process. The answer is simple. The proposed solution — including the possibility of a neutral-site AFC Championship and a coin flip to determine the location of a potential wild-card game between the Ravens and Bengals (if the Ravens beat the Bengals on Sunday) violates the plain terms of the NFL’s Policy Manual for Member Clubs, Game Operations 2022 Edition.

Here’s the relevant language, from page A78, under the category of “Emergencies and Unfair Acts” and the specific rule entitled “Competitive Policy for Cancelled Games”: “If a game is cancelled, a team’s standing in its division or in its conference (e.g., qualification as a Wild Card in the playoffs or position in playoff seeding) shall be determined on the basis of its final record. When necessary, playoff tiebreakers shall be calculated according to per game average for all teams.”

There’s nothing about neutral sites or coin flips. Seeding is based on winning percentage, period.

That’s why the owners are involved. They’re changing the rules on the fly, during the 2022 NFL season.

That’s their prerogative. But the NFL in the past has been loathe to change the rules during a given season. In this case, for all the discussion and haggling and brainstorming and whatever, the previously determined answer was hiding in plain sight. Fair or not, the NFL had developed a procedure that applies following the cancellation of games.

And, yes, this is a rare and unusual occurrence. But what cancellation of a regular-season game wouldn’t be the result of a rare and unusual occurrence?

Tomorrow, the owners will consider changing that policy. It will be fair for some of them to ask, “Why?”

Also, given that the proposed approach represents a deviation from current rules, the owners will be required to approve the revision via a 24-vote supermajority. The NFL has confirmed this.

So, in other words, only nine votes are needed to block it. Tomorrow could be interesting.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
NFL’s proposed approach to cancellation of Bills-Bengals conflicts with 2022 policy manual
Posted by Mike Florio on January 5, 2023, 10:25 PM EST


The NFL’s owners will vote on Friday regarding the specific protocol for playing postseason games among the various AFC teams based on the cancellation of the Week 17 game between the Bills and Bengals.

Some have expressed curiosity and confusion as to why the owners must be involved in the process. The answer is simple. The proposed solution — including the possibility of a neutral-site AFC Championship and a coin flip to determine the location of a potential wild-card game between the Ravens and Bengals (if the Ravens beat the Bengals on Sunday) violates the plain terms of the NFL’s Policy Manual for Member Clubs, Game Operations 2022 Edition.

Here’s the relevant language, from page A78, under the category of “Emergencies and Unfair Acts” and the specific rule entitled “Competitive Policy for Cancelled Games”: “If a game is cancelled, a team’s standing in its division or in its conference (e.g., qualification as a Wild Card in the playoffs or position in playoff seeding) shall be determined on the basis of its final record. When necessary, playoff tiebreakers shall be calculated according to per game average for all teams.”

There’s nothing about neutral sites or coin flips. Seeding is based on winning percentage, period.

That’s why the owners are involved. They’re changing the rules on the fly, during the 2022 NFL season.

That’s their prerogative. But the NFL in the past has been loathe to change the rules during a given season. In this case, for all the discussion and haggling and brainstorming and whatever, the previously determined answer was hiding in plain sight. Fair or not, the NFL had developed a procedure that applies following the cancellation of games.

And, yes, this is a rare and unusual occurrence. But what cancellation of a regular-season game wouldn’t be the result of a rare and unusual occurrence?

Tomorrow, the owners will consider changing that policy. It will be fair for some of them to ask, “Why?”

Also, given that the proposed approach represents a deviation from current rules, the owners will be required to approve the revision via a 24-vote supermajority. The NFL has confirmed this.

So, in other words, only nine votes are needed to block it. Tomorrow could be interesting.
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Texans get to vote on what happens?

That means Texans finally get to make an impact on the playoffs.
 
Hamlin has had the endotracheal (breathing) tube removed and he is talking. His basic neurologic functions are intact. It still remains to see what permanent damage has occurred to his lungs and heart. The finer neurological elements like memory and quickness of thought, etc. will need much more time for evaluation. But for now, very good news.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
NFL’s proposed approach to cancellation of Bills-Bengals conflicts with 2022 policy manual
Posted by Mike Florio on January 5, 2023, 10:25 PM EST


The NFL’s owners will vote on Friday regarding the specific protocol for playing postseason games among the various AFC teams based on the cancellation of the Week 17 game between the Bills and Bengals.

Some have expressed curiosity and confusion as to why the owners must be involved in the process. The answer is simple. The proposed solution — including the possibility of a neutral-site AFC Championship and a coin flip to determine the location of a potential wild-card game between the Ravens and Bengals (if the Ravens beat the Bengals on Sunday) violates the plain terms of the NFL’s Policy Manual for Member Clubs, Game Operations 2022 Edition.

Here’s the relevant language, from page A78, under the category of “Emergencies and Unfair Acts” and the specific rule entitled “Competitive Policy for Cancelled Games”: “If a game is cancelled, a team’s standing in its division or in its conference (e.g., qualification as a Wild Card in the playoffs or position in playoff seeding) shall be determined on the basis of its final record. When necessary, playoff tiebreakers shall be calculated according to per game average for all teams.”

There’s nothing about neutral sites or coin flips. Seeding is based on winning percentage, period.

That’s why the owners are involved. They’re changing the rules on the fly, during the 2022 NFL season.

That’s their prerogative. But the NFL in the past has been loathe to change the rules during a given season. In this case, for all the discussion and haggling and brainstorming and whatever, the previously determined answer was hiding in plain sight. Fair or not, the NFL had developed a procedure that applies following the cancellation of games.

And, yes, this is a rare and unusual occurrence. But what cancellation of a regular-season game wouldn’t be the result of a rare and unusual occurrence?

Tomorrow, the owners will consider changing that policy. It will be fair for some of them to ask, “Why?”

Also, given that the proposed approach represents a deviation from current rules, the owners will be required to approve the revision via a 24-vote supermajority. The NFL has confirmed this.

So, in other words, only nine votes are needed to block it. Tomorrow could be interesting.
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All that should matter is established policy: "Seeding is based on winning percentage, period."

All the BS chatter about "fair" just clouds the issue, because the game is inherently "unfair" when teams are often punished by human error due to incompetent officiating.

A coin flip is a joke. I'd probably just walk away from the league if they lower themselves to such pointless nonsense. Too much whining by owners and fans. Man the eff up.
 
Double Barrel said:
A coin flip is a joke. I'd probably just walk away from the league if they lower themselves to such pointless nonsense. Too much whining by owners and fans. Man the eff up.
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There's only one game where game site MAY be decided by a coin flip
 
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