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Davis Mills getting no respect

Mills throwing at his receivers feet on those sideline passing attempts are solely on him. That’s not on his teammates or coaching. That’s him struggling with simple routine passes. He’s been struggling with that all year. I’m sorry he’s not a starting caliber NFL quarterback. He’s not the only one either because there’s a lot of terrible quarterback play going on this year. Right now even Wilson doesn’t look like a starting quarterback.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Mills throwing at his receivers feet on those sideline passing attempts are solely on him. That’s not on his teammates or coaching. That’s him struggling with simple routine passes. He’s been struggling with that all year. I’m sorry he’s not a starting caliber NFL quarterback. He’s not the only one either because there’s a lot of terrible quarterback play going on this year. Right now even Wilson doesn’t look like a starting quarterback.
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That may be the case. But he was a 3rd round pick two years ago. He may not be helping us win games, but until he is consistently giving them away, so what?

I’m more convinced Lovie is not going to be HC for long & by extension Pep won’t be our OC.

I doubt our new HC will be married to Mills & will draft his own QB in 2024.
 
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thunderkyss said:
That may be the case. But he was a 3rd round pick two years ago. He may not be helping us win games, but until he is consistently giving them away, so what?

I’m more convinced Lovie is not going to be HC for long & by extension Pep won’t be our OC.

I doubt our new HC will be married to Mills & will draft his own QB in 2024.
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Being a third pick suppose to mean what exactly? He’s in the NFL and starting. Dude has to make those type of throws period. Even high school quarterbacks have to make those type of simple easy throws. And what you mean so what? I can’t believe an fan like you are saying things like that. Especially when a certain someone wasn’t doing what they we’re suppose to do out there, you called them out. Not only that wasn’t you the one crapping on Mills when he was drafted? All you talked about was he didn’t play enough. Not that he has played, you’re on the defensive about his terrible play.

And I’ve been said Lovie and Pep has to go. Lovie’s defensive philosophy is outdated. And Pep scheme is worser than O’Brien. But you can’t get your offense going when your quarterback can’t even throw the ball to any sideline patterns consistently.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Being a third pick suppose to mean what exactly? He’s in the NFL and starting. Dude has to make those type of throws period. Even high school quarterbacks have to make those type of simple easy throws. And what you mean so what? I can’t believe an fan like you are saying things like that. Especially when a certain someone wasn’t doing what they we’re suppose to do out there, you called them out. Not only that wasn’t you the one crapping on Mills when he was drafted? All you talked about was he didn’t play enough. Not that he has played, you’re on the defensive about his terrible play.

And I’ve been said Lovie and Pep has to go. Lovie’s defensive philosophy is outdated. And Pep scheme is worser than O’Brien. But you can’t get your offense going when your quarterback can’t even throw the ball to any sideline patterns consistently.
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Not to put words in his mouth, but I think what he's saying is it doesn't matter who the QB is, the team is so bad that a different QB won't make that much of a difference
 
Texansballer74 said:
Being a third pick suppose to mean what exactly? He’s in the NFL and starting. Dude has to make those type of throws period. Even high school quarterbacks have to make those type of simple easy throws. And what you mean so what? I can’t believe an fan like you are saying things like that. Especially when a certain someone wasn’t doing what they we’re suppose to do out there, you called them out. Not only that wasn’t you the one crapping on Mills when he was drafted? All you talked about was he didn’t play enough. Not that he has played, you’re on the defensive about his terrible play.

And I’ve been said Lovie and Pep has to go. Lovie’s defensive philosophy is outdated. And Pep scheme is worser than O’Brien. But you can’t get your offense going when your quarterback can’t even throw the ball to any sideline patterns consistently.
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Somebody is a little too emotional. I doubt Mills will be the QB next yr, whether a new QB is drafted or not. I'm sure competition will be brought in to compete against Mills if a QB isn't drafted. I would guess that will probably be Minschew or Foles. But I could see Jimmy G or Mayfield being brought in for a couple of yrs. One before the 2024 draft, then draft a QB, then one more yr where the drafted QB sits like Mahomes did.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Not that he has played, you’re on the defensive about his terrible play.
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I couldn’t care less about Mills. I’m not defending him so much as arguing against drafting a QB.

I didn’t want to draft a QB in 2021, I don’t want to draft a QB in 2023. That’s what I think about the job Nick Caserio is doing
 
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Thorn said:
Mills shows flashes of being really good in almost every game he plays. The problem being he never has enough of those flashes, something always goes wrong. I'm willing to blame Mills for at least half of it, but not the other half. This ain't all Mills' fault.
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A QB is only worth as much as the money downs.

On that end, I'm sorry to say that Mills is totally bad.

Mills almost always look the best when there's nothing on the
thunderkyss said:
That may be the case. But he was a 3rd round pick two years ago. He may not be helping us win games, but until he is consistently giving them away, so what?

I’m more convinced Lovie is not going to be HC for long & by extension Pep won’t be our OC.

I doubt our new HC will be married to Mills & will draft his own QB in 2024.
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What are you talking about?

The way Mills have been babysat.

Dink and dunk is not losing.

But the point of the game is to score points.

Even in the good old days, you can't expect the defense to give up 9-14 points and win.

Look up how many points ordinarily needs to put up to win a game.

And please save me from the garbage time points
 
Texansballer74 said:
Mills throwing at his receivers feet on those sideline passing attempts are solely on him. That’s not on his teammates or coaching. That’s him struggling with simple routine passes. He’s been struggling with that all year. I’m sorry he’s not a starting caliber NFL quarterback. He’s not the only one either because there’s a lot of terrible quarterback play going on this year. Right now even Wilson doesn’t look like a starting quarterback.
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I feel Mills has had a lot thrown at him. Didn't play a full season of games in college. Then gets here and learn a new system. He improved over the season and played well down the stretch. This season, he has to learn a new system and much like last year...he flashes being good and then flashes really bad. The question is by the end of the season will he be playing well or not? I think he has to get a little more comfortable. But, I am not going to say he will be great or awful. I will let it pan out. If we do draft a QB...hope they don't have to learn 2 play books in 2 seasons. I think it comes down to a good staff that is can stay in place longer than a season. Only then will we see what Mills can do.. good or bad
 
steelbtexan said:
Somebody is a little too emotional. I doubt Mills will be the QB next yr, whether a new QB is drafted or not. I'm sure competition will be brought in to compete against Mills if a QB isn't drafted. I would guess that will probably be Minschew or Foles. But I could see Jimmy G or Mayfield being brought in for a couple of yrs. One before the 2024 draft, then draft a QB, then one more yr where the drafted QB sits like Mahomes did.
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I he will not be the quarterback next year. And no I’m not being a bit emotional, so please miss me with that drama crap. Mills is trash and that’s the bottom line. He’s a backup quarterback at best. And for the last time, no organization thinks like us. So you can best believe they will not follow SteelB’s draft plans. Never did, never will.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I he will not be the quarterback next year. And no I’m not being a bit emotional, so please miss me with that drama crap. Mills is trash and that’s the bottom line. He’s a backup quarterback at best. And for the last time, no organization thinks like us. So you can best believe they will not follow SteelB’s draft plans. Never did, never will.
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Never have or will win either.

Apparently they can't learn from the past. Forcing a QB pick is plain stupid.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Why because they won’t follow your expertise plan?
They won’t win so you want them to run it back with Mills.
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I'm just telling you what history says and no, I don't want Mills to be the QB next year. However if you want them to draft a QB in 2024 like I do, Mills being the QB wouldn't be the worst thing to happen. Same as with keeping Lovie and staff in place next year.
 
leebigeztx said:
Team can't get in any flow because 3rd downs are brutal. Mills on 3rd down has been terrible. I mean, has anyone ever thought Pep might be protecting him because of his inconsistent nature?
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I'm just going off memory from the first three possessions of Sunday's game. The play action that was blown up from the get go. Then the attempt to run, then the desperate 3rd & long with a blitz they can't pick up (mainly because the OL can't win their one on ones).

All three possessions went that way. Failed pass attempt on 1st & 10. Failed run on 2nd & 10. Failed 3rd & Long. The Giants were ready for us, knew exactly what we were going to do, planned to stop it, & executed perfectly. This is a team that was in the same situation we were in last season & this season, except we have the benefit of being in the 2nd season of our defensive scheme.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm just telling you what history says and no, I don't want Mills to be the QB next year. However if you want them to draft a QB in 2024 like I do, Mills being the QB wouldn't be the worst thing to happen. Same as with keeping Lovie and staff in place next year.
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Interesting. What what would be the worst thing to happen in your opinion?

In my opinion, the worst thing that could happen has been in place since the beginning, the ownership. Nothing else in sports can go so wrong as having bad ownership, and the Texans got it.
 
SnakeEyes said:
I feel Mills has had a lot thrown at him. Didn't play a full season of games in college. Then gets here and learn a new system. He improved over the season and played well down the stretch. This season, he has to learn a new system and much like last year...he flashes being good and then flashes really bad. The question is by the end of the season will he be playing well or not? I think he has to get a little more comfortable. But, I am not going to say he will be great or awful. I will let it pan out. If we do draft a QB...hope they don't have to learn 2 play books in 2 seasons. I think it comes down to a good staff that is can stay in place longer than a season. Only then will we see what Mills can do.. good or bad
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Mills isn't learning a new system.
Pep installed the WCO Offense that Mills ran at Stanford.

texanswire.usatoday.com

QB Davis Mills describes how Pep Hamilton changed the Texans' offense

Quarterback Davis Mills elaborated on how new offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton changed the Houston Texans’ offense compared to the 2021 version.
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Also, noted that Mills also said the Center may make the initial line call, but it's the QB's duty to make sure that the play doesn't get blown up.

So the free blitzer that Mills sometimes didn't see coming is on him, the QB.
 
Thorn said:
Interesting. What what would be the worst thing to happen in your opinion?

In my opinion, the worst thing that could happen has been in place since the beginning, the ownership. Nothing else in sports can go so wrong as having bad ownership, and the Texans got it.
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All of this really goes back to bad ownership. Bob was bad and Janice/Cal are worse. If there's a decision to be made you can almost guarantee they will make the wrong decision.
 
76Texan said:
Mills isn't learning a new system.
Pep installed the WCO Offense that Mills ran at Stanford.

texanswire.usatoday.com

QB Davis Mills describes how Pep Hamilton changed the Texans' offense

Quarterback Davis Mills elaborated on how new offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton changed the Houston Texans’ offense compared to the 2021 version.
texanswire.usatoday.com texanswire.usatoday.com

Also, noted that Mills also said the Center may make the initial line call, but it's the QB's duty to make sure that the play doesn't get blown up.

So the free blitzer that Mills sometimes didn't see coming is on him, the QB.
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Word from Mills
I have a lot of familiarity with this system from what I did out at Stanford in my four years of college,” said Mills. “This is the old pro-style system where all the verbiage is the same from what I did in college. A lot of it looking back and installing these new plays was pretty easy going forward.”
 
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Texans coach Lovie Smith doesn't believe it's time to bench QB Davis Mills
"I just don't think it's time," Smith told reporters after Sunday's 24-16 loss to the Giants. "Simple as that. Quarterback position's a little bit different."

But benching Mills makes little sense. No one needs to see what journeyman Kyle Allen can do. Barring catastrophe, it makes sense to stick with Mills and, at the very least, allow him on-field seasoning.
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JB said:
Texans coach Lovie Smith doesn't believe it's time to bench QB Davis Mills
"I just don't think it's time," Smith told reporters after Sunday's 24-16 loss to the Giants. "Simple as that. Quarterback position's a little bit different."

But benching Mills makes little sense. No one needs to see what journeyman Kyle Allen can do. Barring catastrophe, it makes sense to stick with Mills and, at the very least, allow him on-field seasoning.
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I agree give all the snaps possible to our future number two quarterback.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Word for Mills
I have a lot of familiarity with this system from what I did out at Stanford in my four years of college,” said Mills. “This is the old pro-style system where all the verbiage is the same from what I did in college. A lot of it looking back and installing these new plays was pretty easy going forward.”
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Perhaps he just has to get more use to it. As well as more weapons. As many say Cooks (along with the not wanting to be here) has lost a step. I think he could be ok if somehow he just settled in more. However, so far he looks like he is rushing into passes going 1st read at most 2nd and that's it. No check down for a screen or dump off to a TE all that much. But, if it keeps up then yes a new QB is needed. Not sure why he has went backwards but he has to fix it now or he will be a backup next year.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Perhaps he just has to get more use to it. As well as more weapons. As many say Cooks (along with the not wanting to be here) has lost a step. I think he could be ok if somehow he just settled in more. However, so far he looks like he is rushing into passes going 1st read at most 2nd and that's it. No check down for a screen or dump off to a TE all that much. But, if it keeps up then yes a new QB is needed. Not sure why he has went backwards but he has to fix it now or he will be a backup next year.
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I dont know why he doesn't throw to the TE's more often. Akins seems to be open a lot.
 
Mills had some good and some bad. Biggest two mistakes

1. 3rd down in the red zone cooks beats his guy to the corner but Mills throws short of the sticks to a covered guy. I know he’s nervous because our Oline hasnt been good but man those misses hurt

2. The other one was on second and 25. Mills had just thrown a TD but Green held a guy. I’m sure Mills was frustrated but that’s no excuse to heave it up into double coverage. We’re in field goal range try to pick up 10 yards and make 3rd down/the field goal a bit more manageable. Instead Of a field goal that keeps us in the game we have a turnover.
 
Who was on the hot seat in preseason: QB Davis Mills
Temperature of seat right now: Hot
The Texans' games have mostly come down to the fourth quarter. There have been a few games in which Mills had the opportunity to lead the team to a win with his arm. But he just hasn't. The final quarter is his worst, as he has a passer rating of 62 and has thrown five interceptions with only two touchdowns. The offense has averaged 3.3 points in the fourth quarter, ranked for 30th in the NFL. And the Texans have converted only eight third downs in the fourth quarter, which also ties for 30th in the NFL. For Mills to prove he is the Texans' QB of the future, he needs to make plays in the final frame. -- DJ Bien-Aime
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thunderkyss said:
Akins is playing for a big contract. Every time he gets the ball he’s been making something happen
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Getting cut from the NYG seemed to be a wakeup call for him.

Man if somehow the Texans were able to draft Washington they would have a very solid TE room.

Blocking TE's Washington/Teegan Q

Receiving TE's Washington/Akins/ either Jordan or Howard.

This would be big for the run game and Pierce. Plus provide a huge target down the seam for Young to throw too.
 
Been saying it from jump. Dude has no feel for the game, is to slow to process, is inaccurate outside the hashes, and worst of all he shines when it doesn’t matter and the converse is true. The bigger the moment, the more he shrinks. It seems that finally some of the Mills bandwagon is jumping ship. What took you guys so long?

he’s a nice kid, it’s nothing personal whatsoever. I know he’s giving it his best. Being an NFL QB is an extremely difficult endeavor. But this is a bottom line profession, and bottom line, he’s a career backup waitingor someone better to take the reins. I am interested in keeping him around as a backup, and letting him continue to work on some of these issues, but the idea that this guy is leading a team anywhere over a full season is nonsense.

QB1 next year is most likely Bryce Young.He’s far from a perfect prospect, but I think he has that juice, a little of that mojo, and some of that it factor we need. We had a ton of all of that with Watson, and I personally don’t think Young is the prospect Watson was…but not terribly far off and I think you take your shot at 1.1 or 1.2.
 
Porky said:
Been saying it from jump. Dude has no feel for the game, is to slow to process, is inaccurate outside the hashes, and worst of all he shines when it doesn’t matter and the converse is true. The bigger the moment, the more he shrinks. It seems that finally some of the Mills bandwagon is jumping ship. What took you guys so long?

he’s a nice kid, it’s nothing personal whatsoever. I know he’s giving it his best. Being an NFL QB is an extremely difficult endeavor. But this is a bottom line profession, and bottom line, he’s a career backup waitingor someone better to take the reins. I am interested in keeping him around as a backup, and letting him continue to work on some of these issues, but the idea that this guy is leading a team anywhere over a full season is nonsense.

QB1 next year is most likely Bryce Young.He’s far from a perfect prospect, but I think he has that juice, a little of that mojo, and some of that it factor we need. We had a ton of all of that with Watson, and I personally don’t think Young is the prospect Watson was…but not terribly far off and I think you take your shot at 1.1 or 1.2.
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Agreed. Except I lean toward Stroud a little more.
 
steelbtexan said:
Getting cut from the NYG seemed to be a wakeup call for him.

Man if somehow the Texans were able to draft Washington they would have a very solid TE room.

Blocking TE's Washington/Teegan Q

Receiving TE's Washington/Akins/ either Jordan or Howard.

This would be big for the run game and Pierce. Plus provide a huge target down the seam for Young to throw too.
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I would resign Akins and Howard, its going to be cheap by nfl standards. I don't know why Howard and Akins aren't staples in the pass game. Most of the big gains come from them.
 
JB said:
Texans coach Lovie Smith doesn't believe it's time to bench QB Davis Mills
"I just don't think it's time," Smith told reporters after Sunday's 24-16 loss to the Giants. "Simple as that. Quarterback position's a little bit different."

But benching Mills makes little sense. No one needs to see what journeyman Kyle Allen can do. Barring catastrophe, it makes sense to stick with Mills and, at the very least, allow him on-field seasoning.
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I don't think he should be benched. I think he should be given all the freedom of last year. Seeing he played well once he got to start
 
This is not about dissing Mills but I'm interested in hearing opinions: Has Mills shown anything better this year vs what he flashed last year? Is there something that can be pointed out that shows improvement in his game?
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
This is not about dissing Mills but I'm interested in hearing opinions: Has Mills shown anything better this year vs what he flashed last year? Is there something that can be pointed out that shows improvement in his game?
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He said he's more confident this year.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Davis Mills: "Shocking the world" is about having "full confidence"

Texans quarterback Davis Mills recently shocked the world by claiming that the team will shock the world.
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KoolAid Sipper said:
This is not about dissing Mills but I'm interested in hearing opinions: Has Mills shown anything better this year vs what he flashed last year? Is there something that can be pointed out that shows improvement in his game?
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During preseason, Mills reiterated that he's full of confidence, that the Texans have many things in their repertoire that they haven't shown in the preseason.

Maybe he'll unleash them soon. :)
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
This is not about dissing Mills but I'm interested in hearing opinions: Has Mills shown anything better this year vs what he flashed last year? Is there something that can be pointed out that shows improvement in his game?
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No and no. If anything he's shown regression. Maybe it happened but I don't remember the weak ass floaters last year that he's throwing this year. People will blame it on a lot of other things, and a lot of that may be true to an extent, but Mills is very much to blame as well. He has just not been very good.
 
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Yes, Mills should have gone to Cooks there. Poor decision and not uncommon for Mills. But my main problem is with his fundamentals. Why did he go flat footed in the pocket? He was spread out and could not step into the throw. There are few QBs that can get away with this. Mills is not one of them. And he's made this particular mistake all season.

Is Pep not noticing this? This is why I've called for Mills to step back and watch for a couple of weeks. He needs to look at his own film and the poor decisions and fundamentals. Maybe it doesn't matter, and the Texans have decided to move on. I feel the same. But I also agree that another young QB can't be handed to this staff. Which means they all have to go.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
This is not about dissing Mills but I'm interested in hearing opinions: Has Mills shown anything better this year vs what he flashed last year? Is there something that can be pointed out that shows improvement in his game?
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Not that I've seen. He seems to have taken a step back. I don't know if the fault there lies on him, on Pep, or if this is a natural progression for him learning.

It used to be that you expected a sophomore slump from players. Nowadays, it seems everyone is expecting young QBs to start fast and stay strong, like they don't have to be developed or taught anything.

I've said this before, sometimes when you're learning stuff, you have to take a few steps back as you're trying to put everything together. When I was at the Musician's Institute, you would see all these players come in who were pretty good, then they'd start learning stuff and they'd fall to pieces and be crappy for awhile until they were able to integrate everything they'd learned with their playing.

Davis Mills flashed promise at the end of last year, but that was largely against understaffed or undermanned defenses. He was coming in with a lack of experience and I'm sure he's learned a crap ton. Even in the training camp stuff, they were talking about him getting all sorts of advice about don't throw that pass here, throw it like this, no on this route you have to do this or that, and didn't you read that guy, yadda yadda.

So. I don't know. At this point, if I liked the QBs coming out next year, I'd take one. Then it's up to Mills to keep his job or become the backup he was drafted to be.

If they don't like the QBs coming out next year, then try to find a couple of vets to come in and take the job from Mills and wait until you're in a position to get a QB you want.
 
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