Davis Mills getting no respect

[badboy]

That don't matter. At times that's what QBs do.

If the DB cut in front of the receiver to intercept the ball or somehow made a play that got the INT, I would say "staring down the receiver" was an issue.

But in this case it looked like Mills was "throwing it to a spot" if the receiver were to have done what Mills was expecting to be done the Safety who just sat there wouldn't have been able to make a play on the ball.

I don't know if this is one of those offenses where the receiver has options. But looking at the coverage I can understand Mills thinking the receiver would stop, turn, & sit in a hole in the zone. Then he'd have one guy to make miss to get into the end zone.

I'm not saying that's what was supposed to happen, I don't know. But when I heard the announcer say "staring down the receiver" I immidiately said that was irrelevant.

Again, the Safety just sat there. He didn't break jump a route or beat the receiver to the spot. ball fell in his lap.

This is how I saw that play. Also as a side note we all know that sometimes defensive players just make good plays. They get paid also.

 

[ben.aires.smith]

That don't matter. At times that's what QBs do.

If the DB cut in front of the receiver to intercept the ball or somehow made a play that got the INT, I would say "staring down the receiver" was an issue.

But in this case it looked like Mills was "throwing it to a spot" if the receiver were to have done what Mills was expecting to be done the Safety who just sat there wouldn't have been able to make a play on the ball.

I don't know if this is one of those offenses where the receiver has options. But looking at the coverage I can understand Mills thinking the receiver would stop, turn, & sit in a hole in the zone. Then he'd have one guy to make miss to get into the end zone.

I'm not saying that's what was supposed to happen, I don't know. But when I heard the announcer say "staring down the receiver" I immidiately said that was irrelevant.

Again, the Safety just sat there. He didn't break jump a route or beat the receiver to the spot. ball fell in his lap.

Because the pass was so wide off the mark, I think this assessment is correct.

 

[thunderkyss]

This is how I saw that play. Also as a side note we all know that sometimes defensive players just make good plays. They get paid also.

I agree. Do you think that guy made a good play?

Do you think he made a play at all?

From what I remember he was just in the right spot. Mills threw it right at him. All he had to do was catch it.

 

[badboy]

I agree. Do you think that guy made a good play?

Do you think he made a play at all?

From what I remember he was just in the right spot. Mills threw it right at him. All he had to do was catch it.

Again totally agree that the defensive player was right place right time just to clarify my point.

 

[Texansballer74]

That don't matter. At times that's what QBs do.

If the DB cut in front of the receiver to intercept the ball or somehow made a play that got the INT, I would say "staring down the receiver" was an issue.

But in this case it looked like Mills was "throwing it to a spot" if the receiver were to have done what Mills was expecting to be done the Safety who just sat there wouldn't have been able to make a play on the ball.

I don't know if this is one of those offenses where the receiver has options. But looking at the coverage I can understand Mills thinking the receiver would stop, turn, & sit in a hole in the zone. Then he'd have one guy to make miss to get into the end zone.

I'm not saying that's what was supposed to happen, I don't know. But when I heard the announcer say "staring down the receiver" I immidiately said that was irrelevant.

Again, the Safety just sat there. He didn't break jump a route or beat the receiver to the spot. ball fell in his lap.

No sir that was a very poorly thrown ball in which he’s staring at his receiver. He threw it behind him. Here’s the tape.

 

[leebigeztx]

Jordan etc? How often have you seen any, including Cooks, get the kind of separation Hill and Waddle and Gisecki do?

McDaniels is off that Shanny/Kubiak tree. They know how to scheme people open quickly by formation and and motion with those offset seam/angle routes. Thats not a surprise to nobody right?

 

[Texansballer74]

Dorsett is running a deep post. Mills is looking at him the entire time. So why would he throw the ball to that particular spot. Do he not see the coverage pre snap? Clearly he doesn’t see the DBs in that particular spot.

From y’all point of view , you could argue they wasn’t on the same page.
But still Mills telegraphed his punch by staring Dorsett down the entire time. A quick look to the left, opens that play up earlier. Imo

 

[IDEXAN]

Unfortunate about the couple of not-so-good picks Mills made (1 bad decision under pressure, 1 straight-up force/misthrow). I though he did some really good things in the game, especially making plays by moving around in the pocket. This wasn't statue Mills anymore, and I think this element will really help diversify his game because he is mobile enough to make plays outside of the pocket. The TD throw to Moore by scrambling right to escape inside pressure and delivering a perfect pass was a high-grade NFL play.

And that's kind of the deal with Mills: every game, we get 3-4 high echelon NFL throws/plays, some games 1/2 dozen. Mills has high end NFL arm talent. Just the consistency is still lacking, not helped by the lack of receiving (and often OL) talent surrounding him. This guy is going to be an NFL starting caliber QB IMO, because once he gets more experience and figures it out, the arm talent will carry him, especially if he can consistently make plays outside the pocket. It will be interesting to see if it it's in Houston though. If Caserio goes lottery QB, I hope he explores perhaps trading Mills for a draft picks to a team that give him his next opportunity to start.

Ok friend I'm in agreement with all of your comments and we've still got more games to play than what we've already played so
we shall see how our young QB progresses thru the rest of this football season.

 

[JB]

McDaniels is off that Shanny/Kubiak tree. They know how to scheme people open quickly by formation and and motion with those offset seam/angle routes. Thats not a surprise to nobody right?

You have to read the post I quoted AND the one that one quoted to see what I was saying, but yes I agree with you

 

[thunderkyss]

No sir that was a very poorly thrown ball in which he’s staring at his receiver. He threw it behind him. Here’s the tape.

I’m not contesting that he stared the receiver down. He did.

Dorsett is running a deep post. Mills is looking at him the entire time. So why would he throw the ball to that particular spot. Do he not see the coverage pre snap? Clearly he doesn’t see the DBs in that particular spot.

From y’all point of view , you could argue they wasn’t on the same page.
But still Mills telegraphed his punch by staring Dorsett down the entire time. A quick look to the left, opens that play up earlier. Imo

You’re right. But we don’t know Dorsett was supposed to run a skinny post. Again skinny post in the red zone against cover two doesn’t sound like a good idea. Even if Mills were to look him off.

Makes more sense that Dorsett was supposed to find an empty spot in their 2 deep shell.

Again, I don’t know what he was supposed to do. But I don’t think Mills threw the ball behind a receiver that wasn’t even looking for the ball. I think Mills was expecting his receiver to be looking for the ball at that spot.

Again, as far as “staring down the receiver” it is a problem when it tips the defense off & they are able to make a play on the ball & beat the receiver to the spot.

The Safety in this particular play doesn’t make a play on the ball. He’s sitting in his zone. He doesn’t under cut the route, he doesn’t jump the route, he doesn’t even move really.

The off safety does move. He’s closing in on the spot Mills threw the ball but he was too far away to make a play on the ball at the spot it was thrown.

In this case “staring down the receiver” isn’t what doomed the play. Mills & Dorsett not on the same page was the problem

 

[thunderkyss]

Did we complain about that Matt Schaub throw to Dorsett on the first drive?

Dorsett was BeHIND the defense. If Mills gets that ball in front of Dorsett that’s a TD because nobody is catching him.

they scored on the drive anyway, but that was a missed opportunity

 

[76Texan]

I’m not contesting that he stared the receiver down. He did.



You’re right. But we don’t know Dorsett was supposed to run a skinny post. Again skinny post in the red zone against cover two doesn’t sound like a good idea. Even if Mills were to look him off.

Makes more sense that Dorsett was supposed to find an empty spot in their 2 deep shell.

Again, I don’t know what he was supposed to do. But I don’t think Mills threw the ball behind a receiver that wasn’t even looking for the ball. I think Mills was expecting his receiver to be looking for the ball at that spot.

Again, as far as “staring down the receiver” it is a problem when it tips the defense off & they are able to make a play on the ball & beat the receiver to the spot.

The Safety in this particular play doesn’t make a play on the ball. He’s sitting in his zone. He doesn’t under cut the route, he doesn’t jump the route, he doesn’t even move really.

The off safety does move. He’s closing in on the spot Mills threw the ball but he was too far away to make a play on the ball at the spot it was thrown.

In this case “staring down the receiver” isn’t what doomed the play. Mills & Dorsett not on the same page was the problem

I think Mills should only throw that ball when the DB bails into Cover 4.

The safer throw is the corner route on the other side.

But if he had already made up his mind then I don't know what to say.
Even if the receiver turned around, he would have been hit immediately by the DB, or the pass likely broken up.

 

[76Texan]

Did we complain about that Matt Schaub throw to Dorsett on the first drive?

Dorsett was BeHIND the defense. If Mills gets that ball in front of Dorsett that’s a TD because nobody is catching him.

they scored on the drive anyway, but that was a missed opportunity

It would be better if you name the time of the play.
I can't remember all the plays by heart.

 

[steelbtexan]

I think most get what you're saying about Davis's college experience and potential. Where I am at however is 2022 has to be his show up year regardless of how long it has taken other QB's to find their way. As a Texan fan I don't want to wait another year to determine if he is the future. As I have stated he really impressed me against a very good team. For once I got a good evaluation rather than how the Texans sloppily played a sloppy opponent the first six games. Players in all three phases stepped up as well as the offensive coordinator. The debate is was it perhaps play calling or team coming together? I think most would probably say a bit of both. Even more importantly is this significant Improvement was after 3 days off between games. That is huge!

My expectations going into the next game against the Giants should be a similar effort as it was last night.

So you're impatient?

 

[steelbtexan]

I am not as concerned about our wide receiver corps as many as I think Collins and Phillips can play that role in 2023. My concern has been Mills getting the ball to them and I think we saw last night that he can. Will that continue? I still think a large portion of the blame falls on Hamilton.
Something changed in this game for the better but I'm not sure I can identify what that was.

Who is Phillips?

Yes, Caserio needs to add a couple of high end playmakers. A Johnston type wr to go with Collins and Metchie and you've got a talented young receiving corps

 

[thunderkyss]

Even if the receiver turned around, he would have been hit immediately by the DB, or the pass likely broken up.

He’s getting paid too

 

[JB]

He’s getting paid too

A fact that is often ignored or forgotten

 

[Jack Burton]

Who is Phillips?

Yes, Caserio needs to add a couple of high end playmakers. A Johnston type wr to go with Collins and Metchie and you've got a talented young receiving corps

I’d love one of those 2 1sts used on Mayer TE ND or Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR OHIO ST.
F it. Get em both…

 

[steelbtexan]

I’d love one of those 2 1sts used on Mayer TE ND or Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR OHIO ST.
F it. Get em both…

I hope they end up with one of Mayer/Darnell Washington/Dalton Kinkaid.

Mayer reminds me of Friermuth. A definite upgrade that helps in the pass game, but also especially in the run game.

 

[FuzzyLogic]

I think the QB Whisperer video (posted in one of the other threads) covers the last int. well and goes over all the issues that make up to that int.

1. He discusses repeatedly that Mills needs to get better accuracy but in particular on that play, it's an anticipation throw and you can see when he breaks the play down Mills is letting the ball go and throwing to a spot where he is "anticipating" the receiver to be based on pre-snap of the defense.
2. It's why Dorsett hasn't caught on in the league and is playing for a lack-of-talent team (the Texans) - he is lackadaisical on the motion pre-snap, and never even looks at the QB, for the ball, etc. he's just out there going through the motions. He's fast and can catch, everything else about football, teamwork, knowing the playbook, and dedication to your craft might just not be there he's an I'm talented and fast and that other crap is what people who aren't talented and fast have to do.
3. Oline it's just bad, still, new coach new players same result - it's now the team's culture, we don't know how to block, Q (the center) - lack of talent, lack of experience, expecting to get help and it never comes, I don't know because we aren't behind the curtain, but end result is he's out there looking like he's going to get someone killed.
4 Coaching - both sides of the ball, they can't get the team to execute. Even less talented players can be in the right spot, run the correct route, and know the playbook - these guys don't look like they do and that's on coaching.

Lovie's problem (my opinion) he's a "player's coach" which we hear repeatedly - which typically means he isn't a hard ass that demands excellence, he's your buddy! And what he depends on is having super talented players who are badasses and hold the rest of the team accountable (Lynch, Urlacher, etc.), and when he doesn't have that his D (and team) look like, well the Texans.

Okay rip me a new one... go!

 

[Thorn]

Yes he is.

No he's not.

Yes he is.

No he's not.

I have completely summarized the thread with all aforementioned traits and attributes. This thread can now be closed.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Yes he is.

No he's not.

Yes he is.

No he's not.

I have completely summarized the thread with all aforementioned traits and attributes. This thread can now be closed.

I mean, you're not wrong.

 

[ben.aires.smith]

I think the QB Whisperer video (posted in one of the other threads) covers the last int. well and goes over all the issues that make up to that int.

1. He discusses repeatedly that Mills needs to get better accuracy but in particular on that play, it's an anticipation throw and you can see when he breaks the play down Mills is letting the ball go and throwing to a spot where he is "anticipating" the receiver to be based on pre-snap of the defense.
2. It's why Dorsett hasn't caught on in the league and is playing for a lack-of-talent team (the Texans) - he is lackadaisical on the motion pre-snap, and never even looks at the QB, for the ball, etc. he's just out there going through the motions. He's fast and can catch, everything else about football, teamwork, knowing the playbook, and dedication to your craft might just not be there he's an I'm talented and fast and that other crap is what people who aren't talented and fast have to do.
3. Oline it's just bad, still, new coach new players same result - it's now the team's culture, we don't know how to block, Q (the center) - lack of talent, lack of experience, expecting to get help and it never comes, I don't know because we aren't behind the curtain, but end result is he's out there looking like he's going to get someone killed.
4 Coaching - both sides of the ball, they can't get the team to execute. Even less talented players can be in the right spot, run the correct route, and know the playbook - these guys don't look like they do and that's on coaching.

Lovie's problem (m opinion) he's a "player's coach" which we hear repeatedly - which typically means he isn't a hard ass that demands excellence, he's your buddy! And what he depends on is having super talented players who are badasses and hold the rest of the team accountable (Lynch, Urlacher, etc.), and when he doesn't have that his D (and team) look like, well the Texans.

Okay rip me a new one... go!

I get we've faced the Titans and Eagles over the past 2 games, but the inside of the OL has looked horrible over that stretch. Green and Q have been badly owned, although I'm cutting Green slack because he's a rookie and he can run block. We really have to get a new Center in this draft.

And... you're not wrong. If all good combine stats were all it took to be a viable NFL starter, many more players could hack it. It's the little things at WR like play recognition, running precise route, not getting lazy in motion and positioning on breaks that make a big difference. Dorsett hasn't developed these enough which is why he's bounced around the NFL as a WR4 option. And we saw why with that Mills 2nd INT - dude didn't even look back at the ball once. The ball may or may not have been thrown to the right spot, but Dorsett clearly didn't know the route.

 

[76Texan]

He’s getting paid too

Sure, but the corner route would have been a safer throw.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Sure, but the corner route would have been a safer throw.

This is like my problem with PFF.

To be able to know who did what right or wrong, you have to know the play and what everyone was supposed to do. The reads/progressions on that play may have dictated that Mills throw that ball right to where he threw it. Dorsett may have run the wrong route. Mills may have made the wrong read.

No one knows except the people involved with the play.

 

[badboy]

I’d love one of those 2 1sts used on Mayer TE ND or Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR OHIO ST.
F it. Get em both…

I was all in on Smith-Njigba however he is having difficulty recovering from two injuries. I would rather have Jordan Addison who had very similar stats even though he has a minor injury now. Addison has the games in this season to show he was not just a fluke. Either one of these guys plus a burner like Jalen Hyatt Tennessee wide receiver 6 ft 185 and a 4.3 40 would match well with Philip Dorsett and Nico Collins.

To accomplish more of what we want this offseason we need to trade for more pics and choose well in free agency. Let's see how well Nick car stereo does.

 

[Texansballer74]

 

[steelbtexan]

I hope they're wrong.

Use this draft to build the team out and set them up to draft a QB in 2024.

Did fans not learn anything from forcing the QB pick when McNair made Casserly pick Carr. That pick set the franchise back for at least 7 yrs. I guess some posters like this for a few more wins early in the rebuild.

I can see nothing has been learned by some.

 

[SnakeEyes]

I have been watching games and seen some very good and very bad plays from Mills. I am summarizing to a say 75% chance it's learning a new system. Remember that he played well LATER (still learning?)in the year last year.

Yes, a chance that seeing he has film for teams to watch is part of the issue as well. And last, Cooks is not as good as last year, plus his current (think he wants out) situation. Nico and Mills have been doing better this season being more in sync. After that it is a rotation of pretty much no real great WRs. As for TEs, not sure what to say. They are not bad, but seem to not have enough plays scripted for them.

Will Mills become a good starter? Honestly, I don't know if he will ever have a chance. Too many things going on that likely will prevent him from developing fully. Now on a different team...I think it may happen.

 

[Speedy]

I have been watching games and seen some very good and very bad plays from Mills. I am summarizing to a say 75% chance it's learning a new system. Remember that he played well LATER (still learning?)in the year last year.

Yes, a chance that seeing he has film for teams to watch is part of the issue as well. And last, Cooks is not as good as last year, plus his current (think he wants out) situation. Nico and Mills have been doing better this season being more in sync. After that it is a rotation of pretty much no real great WRs. As for TEs, not sure what to say. They are not bad, but seem to not have enough plays scripted for them.

Will Mills become a good starter? Honestly, I don't know if he will ever have a chance. Too many things going on that likely will prevent him from developing fully. Now on a different team...I think it may happen.

Other than running the ball more and I guess terminology maybe, what exactly is this new system he's supposedly trying to learn? And whatever it is, isn't suppose to be about the same as what he had with Pep at Stanford?

And how exactly are Mills and Nico more in sync when 91 players average more catches per game than he does?

 

[76Texan]

This is like my problem with PFF.

To be able to know who did what right or wrong, you have to know the play and what everyone was supposed to do. The reads/progressions on that play may have dictated that Mills throw that ball right to where he threw it. Dorsett may have run the wrong route. Mills may have made the wrong read.

No one knows except the people involved with the play.

Watch the replay.

Even if the receiver was to run the route where Mills threw the ball too, Mills telegraphed the play from the start.

Two guys were to converge on the receiver.

Mills has got to know this.

Plus he knew, as the QB, that the INSIDE route will draw the other safety to the offensive left (the middle of the field).

The corner route to the right will be in one and one.
Watch the beginning of the play, you can see the way the play was designed that no. 15 will be in one on one one the right side against Cover 4.

I really don't think it's a good read nor a good execution of the play by Mills.

In a nutshell, if the QB sees a double team, he needs to move on to next read.
Mills didn't even seem to acknowledge the double team.

A good QB will manipulate this play as it was to draw both safeties to that side as what happened there butqqq00 throw the corner route to the opposite side (his right).

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Watch the replay.

Even if the receiver was to run the route where Mills threw the ball too, Mills telegraphed the play from the start.

Two guys were to converge on the receiver.

Mills has got to know this.

Plus he knew, as the QB, that the INSIDE route will draw the other safety to the offensive left (the middle of the field).

The corner route to the right will be in one and one.
Watch the beginning of the play, you can see the way the play was designed that no. 15 will be in one on one one the right side against Cover 4.

I really don't think it's a good read nor a good execution of the play by Mills.

In a nutshell, if the QB sees a double team, he needs to move on to next read.
Mills didn't even seem to acknowledge the double team.

A good QB will manipulate this play as it was to draw both safeties to that side as what happened there butqqq00 throw the corner route to the opposite side (his right).

And you've just made all the mistakes I accuse PFF of making: making assumptions based on what you see.

All of this could just come down to bad play design and bad coaching.

Have you watched the JT O'Sullivan analysis of this? Dorsett probably lined up wrong and then ran the wrong route. Mills made his reads and threw it to where Dorsett was supposed to be. It's not like QBs scan the entire field and throw it to open guys all the time. Based on the play design, Mills is supposed to look at two or three guys and based on that, throw to a spot before he even sees if the guy is open or not. Mills could have misread. Or Pep's reads might be flawed in the design of the play. And other mistakes could have been made.

I don't know and neither do you... and neither does JT O'Sullivan.

This is why, if I'm going to get rid of anyone, it's going to be Pep and the offensive staff.

 

[76Texan]

And you've just made all the mistakes I accuse PFF of making: making assumptions based on what you see.

All of this could just come down to bad play design and bad coaching.

Have you watched the JT O'Sullivan analysis of this? Dorsett probably lined up wrong and then ran the wrong route. Mills made his reads and threw it to where Dorsett was supposed to be. It's not like QBs scan the entire field and throw it to open guys all the time. Based on the play design, Mills is supposed to look at two or three guys and based on that, throw to a spot before he even sees if the guy is open or not. Mills could have misread. Or Pep's reads might be flawed in the design of the play. And other mistakes could have been made.

I don't know and neither do you... and neither does JT O'Sullivan.

This is why, if I'm going to get rid of anyone, it's going to be Pep and the offensive staff.

I actually thought the play design was great.
It accounts for Cover 2, cover 3, and cover 4.

Whatever Mills read, he was still tekegraphing his throw.
No mistaking it.

 

[steelbtexan]

I actually thought the play design was great.
It accounts for Cover 2, cover 3, and cover 4.

Whatever Mills read, he was still tekegraphing his throw.
No mistaking it.

Well at least you're thinking this morning, even if you dont know for sure what you're looking at.

 

[Texansballer74]

Watch the replay.

Even if the receiver was to run the route where Mills threw the ball too, Mills telegraphed the play from the start.

Two guys were to converge on the receiver.

Mills has got to know this.

Plus he knew, as the QB, that the INSIDE route will draw the other safety to the offensive left (the middle of the field).

The corner route to the right will be in one and one.
Watch the beginning of the play, you can see the way the play was designed that no. 15 will be in one on one one the right side against Cover 4.

I really don't think it's a good read nor a good execution of the play by Mills.

In a nutshell, if the QB sees a double team, he needs to move on to next read.
Mills didn't even seem to acknowledge the double team.

A good QB will manipulate this play as it was to draw both safeties to that side as what happened there butqqq00 throw the corner route to the opposite side (his right).

He was looking right at them and still threw the ball there. Plain and simple, that was a terrible decision to go there.

 

[Mr teX]

Sure, but the corner route would have been a safer throw.

you dont throw for safety you throw based on what the defense gives you according to the coverage…otherwise the only passes qbs would throw would be checkdowns, the safest pass in the book every pass play. anticipation throws require the qb and wr to see the same things..& the qb in particular has to trust that the WR is not only going to see the same thing he sees, but be where he’s supposed to be…so he’s throwing blind in those situations. ESPECIALLY in the red zone.

Saw this play out in the Tampa game several tines with TB12…2 weeks ago..this also 1 of the issues Rodgers has been complaining about with his young WR core.

its the little subtle things that often define whether a play is successful or not that many folks dont pick up on. Staring down your WR i. The red zone…not that big a deal…**** happens fast down there. Staring them down at any other place on the field can lead to disaster.

 

[76Texan]

you dont throw for safety you throw based on what the defense gives you according to the coverage…otherwise the only passes qbs would throw would be checkdowns, the safest pass in the book every pass play. anticipation throws require the qb and wr to see the same things..& the qb in particular has to trust that the WR is not only going to see the same thing he sees, but be where he’s supposed to be…so he’s throwing blind in those situations. ESPECIALLY in the red zone.

Saw this play out in the Tampa game several tines with TB12…2 weeks ago..this also 1 of the issues Rodgers has been complaining about with his young WR core.

its the little subtle things that often define whether a play is successful or not that many folks dont pick up on. Staring down your WR i. The red zone…not that big a deal…**** happens fast down there. Staring them down at any other place on the field can lead to disaster.

What should your QB do when the D doesn't give him that read?
Force it?

 

[76Texan]

you dont throw for safety you throw based on what the defense gives you according to the coverage…otherwise the only passes qbs would throw would be checkdowns, the safest pass in the book every pass play. anticipation throws require the qb and wr to see the same things..& the qb in particular has to trust that the WR is not only going to see the same thing he sees, but be where he’s supposed to be…so he’s throwing blind in those situations. ESPECIALLY in the red zone.

Saw this play out in the Tampa game several tines with TB12…2 weeks ago..this also 1 of the issues Rodgers has been complaining about with his young WR core.

its the little subtle things that often define whether a play is successful or not that many folks dont pick up on. Staring down your WR i. The red zone…not that big a deal…**** happens fast down there. Staring them down at any other place on the field can lead to disaster.

Watch the first TD here.
Allen looked right, then he looked the two routes on the left, and finally threw the seam route to the 4th read.

 

[76Texan]

you dont throw for safety you throw based on what the defense gives you according to the coverage…otherwise the only passes qbs would throw would be checkdowns, the safest pass in the book every pass play. anticipation throws require the qb and wr to see the same things..& the qb in particular has to trust that the WR is not only going to see the same thing he sees, but be where he’s supposed to be…so he’s throwing blind in those situations. ESPECIALLY in the red zone.

Saw this play out in the Tampa game several tines with TB12…2 weeks ago..this also 1 of the issues Rodgers has been complaining about with his young WR core.

its the little subtle things that often define whether a play is successful or not that many folks dont pick up on. Staring down your WR i. The red zone…not that big a deal…**** happens fast down there. Staring them down at any other place on the field can lead to disaster.

Then watch the second TD.
Which read did he throw the ball too?

 

[76Texan]

you dont throw for safety you throw based on what the defense gives you according to the coverage…otherwise the only passes qbs would throw would be checkdowns, the safest pass in the book every pass play. anticipation throws require the qb and wr to see the same things..& the qb in particular has to trust that the WR is not only going to see the same thing he sees, but be where he’s supposed to be…so he’s throwing blind in those situations. ESPECIALLY in the red zone.

Saw this play out in the Tampa game several tines with TB12…2 weeks ago..this also 1 of the issues Rodgers has been complaining about with his young WR core.

its the little subtle things that often define whether a play is successful or not that many folks dont pick up on. Staring down your WR i. The red zone…not that big a deal…**** happens fast down there. Staring them down at any other place on the field can lead to disaster.

And keep watching.
Then come back and tell me how many of those TDs were on the first read.

 

[JB]

LOL at comparing Mills to Allen

 

[Texansballer74]

you dont throw for safety you throw based on what the defense gives you according to the coverage…otherwise the only passes qbs would throw would be checkdowns, the safest pass in the book every pass play. anticipation throws require the qb and wr to see the same things..& the qb in particular has to trust that the WR is not only going to see the same thing he sees, but be where he’s supposed to be…so he’s throwing blind in those situations. ESPECIALLY in the red zone.

Saw this play out in the Tampa game several tines with TB12…2 weeks ago..this also 1 of the issues Rodgers has been complaining about with his young WR core.

its the little subtle things that often define whether a play is successful or not that many folks dont pick up on. Staring down your WR i. The red zone…not that big a deal…**** happens fast down there. Staring them down at any other place on the field can lead to disaster.

And that’s why Dorsett ran the skinny post. Where Mills threw the ball, there wasn’t an opening right there.

 

[Mr teX]

What should your QB do when the D doesn't give him that read?
Force it?

depends on how they’re not giving him the read. If the defense is playing disciplined and not giving u a read either way, you check it down and take what they give you. If they’re not giving you the read that you anticipate …….b/c they’re doing something else…like taking away a target via double, then that means there’s a hole somewhere else in the defense…& you have to find that hole as a qb. Thats why the presnap read is so important.

you come to the LOS, ID the coverage immediately. See where the safeties are. Are the cb’s up or back? Identify where the rush is coming from and adjust protection accordingly. The rest is just anticipate, read and react after that.

 

[76Texan]

depends on how they’re not giving him the read. If the defense is playing disciplined and not giving u a read either way, you check it down and take what they give you. If they’re not giving you the read that you anticipate …….b/c they’re doing something else…like taking away a target via double, then that means there’s a hole somewhere else in the defense…& you have to find that hole as a qb. Thats why the presnap read is so important.

And Mills didn't do it .

Allen is a pro at it.

 

[JB]

And that’s why Dorsett ran the skinny post. Where Mills threw the ball, there wasn’t an opening right there.

Mills made a bad pass there but it was 3rd & 19 with the Texans down 29-17. 2:16 left on the clock so it was a go for broke play that meant nothing in the grand scheme of things

 

[JB]

And Mills didn't do it .

Allen is a pro at it.

 

[Mr teX]

And Mills didn't do it .

Allen is a pro at it.

lol, if allen was a pro at it, he’d be starting. He couldn’t t even do it consistently at UH. So obviously he aint as good at it as you think since he’s been in the league and hasn’t been able to beat out anybody.

you’re just a UH homer…you had this same ridiculous take regarding Keenum…even after he failed for like 5 years before his outlier season in Minny.

 

[badboy]

Oh no! Here comes the spin again for Case Keenum and Fitzpatrick! Another thread goes bunny hopping away.

 

[76Texan]

lol, if allen was a pro at it, he’d be starting. He couldn’t t even do it consistently at UH. So obviously he aint as good at it as you think since he’s been in the league and hasn’t been able to beat out anybody.

you’re just a UH homer…you had this same ridiculous take regarding Keenum…even after he failed for like 5 years before his outlier season in Minny.

Huh?
I was talking about Josh Allen.

Have you been smoking weeds?

 

[JB]

lol, if allen was a pro at it, he’d be starting. He couldn’t t even do it consistently at UH. So obviously he aint as good at it as you think since he’s been in the league and hasn’t been able to beat out anybody.

you’re just a UH homer…you had this same ridiculous take regarding Keenum…even after he failed for like 5 years before his outlier season in Minny.

He's talking Josh not Kyle... though why he would compare Josh Allen to Davis Mills is beyond me. I don't think there's another person in the country would even bring up that nonsense