TexansBull
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Caserio turned a 3rd round pick into two consecutive seasons of top first round picks in the top 5 picks.
That’s how you work the draft and flip a pick.
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Davis Mills getting no respect
- Thread starter SnakeEyes
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Caserio turned a 3rd round pick into two consecutive seasons of top first round picks in the top 5 picks.
That’s how you work the draft and flip a pick.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That was only in one game. Other than this game Mills was well protected. He’s performing because he knows the heat is own. Some people just can’t handle this type of pressure. The Texans staff were counting on him to continue to improve from last season.I haven’t posted here for a very long time, but from watching the Titans game so far, Mills seems like doesn’t give a sh!t. I can understand why…the interior of the line is not protecting him at all.
If he has “regressed” from last year, it’s because he had more time to throw last year. With all those 1st round draft picks up front, that baffles me. Maybe they are the ones who don’t a give a sh!t, I dunno.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Mills was not well protected in the San Diego game - 4 sacks 10 hits vs. Herbert with 1 sack, 2 hits
Texansballer74
The Marine
Well of course we all know you’re a Mills only fan. He had plenty of time in that game. He just continued to play like crap.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am more interested in how many touchdowns he created through the air or on the ground.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
I say he play like crap when he does. I'm resigned to the fact that the Texans will get a new QB. Whatever. Just saying the OL SUCKED in the SD game, because they did. Not as bad as they sucked last game, but they sucked.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am still watching car stereo sleeves to see if he can pull out a third top five pick in 2024.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
I'm more interested in Pep Hamilton getting fired, because Mills was not set up to succeed here. New incoming QB won't succeed either unless the dearth of talent at OL/WR/TE is addressed along with a new offensive system.
badboy
Hall of Fame
The good news is the quarterback, wide receiver, offensive line and defensive Run game can tremendously approve this offseason
badboy
Hall of Fame
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Well of course picks will help. Going to be a very tall order to plug up multiple gaping holes though. Need C, guard depth, WR1, TE1, RB2 for starters. Metchie may or may not turn into a WR2/WR3. RB2 can easily be filled in free agency. Assuming draft capital is spent on lottery QB, another year of sucking from that. Hopefully we don't get a Trevor Lawrence, Kyler Murray etc that will hamstring the roster for several years. Caesario got hit on this one. Not sure I see that guaranteed guy in this draft though. It will be interesting.
And we haven't even addressed the Front 7: OLB (2), DE, FS, OT - lol. Another 2 years until respectability.
8:43 first Quarter, Mills held the ball for 5 seconds and got sacked.
1:01 3rd quarter.
Some kínd of mix up on a play action roll out. Nobody picked up the edge rusher.
Not sure if he was optioned.
If Mills saw this, he needs to call time out.
Need to see the sack after the fumble by Carter, which ended up as a FG for the Texans.
2:17 4th quarter
3rd and 10
Mills unexplicably decided to take off and run.
The pressure wasn't there.
Maybe he saw green grass up the middle and thought he can run for it.
Bad idea.
Texansballer74
The Marine
So the regression is all on Pep and not the player himself? Some fans just won’t hold their favorite player accountable. It’s every body else’s fault but that particular player.
76 on that roll out to the right, he pumped fake the pass to a wide open RB which was Dare. If he throws the ball there, it was a strong possibility Dare scores.
Like I said dude choked up when it’s time to make a big time play.
But hey it’s only Pep’s fault
76 on that roll out to the right, he pumped fake the pass to a wide open RB which was Dare. If he throws the ball there, it was a strong possibility Dare scores.
Like I said dude choked up when it’s time to make a big time play.
But hey it’s only Pep’s fault
vtech9
All Pro
On that play, you might be right. If Mills throws the ball there, it might have been a big play. However, you weren't on the field, and couldn't see what Mills was seeing. When Mills looked back to Dare, I saw a defender running full out to get to Dare. To me, it didn't look like the blocker was going to be able to make the block, but he did, so the play most likely would have worked. If the blocker couldn't get there to make the block, everyone would be cussing at Mills for throwing another pick six. Now, the question goes back to why didn't Mills make the throw? We'll probably never know the answer.
Poor field vision.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I think it is safe to say that QB class didn’t have much talent…
Or those team’s coaching hasn’t been the best.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It works both ways.
If Mills is being coached not to go for those big plays and do something else who do we blame that on? The player making the hesitation? Or the coach who has trained that player to play that way?
Mills is at fault also.
But the WR's and Mills aren't on the same page. One play for instance Mills threw the ball on a stop route to the outside shoulder like he should have. Problem is Cooks ran a go route. Biggest problem is they both went to the bench and didn't discuss the miscommunication. Who made the mistake? Who knows, what I do know is they were very much on the same page last year.
Texansballer74
The Marine
vtech9
All Pro
That's a big problem. If they are not on the same page, and it's obvious they aren't, they should be getting together on the bench after the play to discuss what they each saw to make them make the decision they made.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
part of it for some fans is the FOMO factor..this qb class this year is projected to be good by the pundits…& the fact that we’ll be in position to take 1 with our projected picks…
its funny b/c the rationale is “well we dont know what 2024’s class is gonna look, so we should get 1 now in this class”…Newsflash folks, you don’t know what THIS class is gonna look like either! Lol…Last year’s draft class should be proof that no matter how these guys project, they’ll be far from immediate franchise savers
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
3 offensive plays decided the game…no wonder the defense gave up.
Where was the sarcasm when the Oline was criticized, wrongly I may add.
A lot of people are going to be upset when Caserio does what he's been doing & not do what they expect with the QB position.
badboy
Hall of Fame
And if he keeps Davis Mills based on what we know today I will be one of those disappointed in Nick casario
Why? If Mills is as bad as you think then high picks will be there in 2024. If he's good next yr with improved weapons that's a good thing right?
I kinda hope he goes the Reid route and brings in an Alex Smith type guy.
What I don't want is for Caserio to draft a QB high in this class.
What if it's based on what they saw coming out of college? Just like Stingley, Green, Harris, Pitre, & Metchie?
badboy
Hall of Fame
You really want to compare Mills' college to those players? Really?
Now back to this game, Mills showing what I hoped he could. I also think part of that is play calling.
No.
The Texans saw something & drafted him based on that. Just like they saw something in their other draft picks.
They may still believe in him based on that & try to find a way to bring that out. Just like Bob (rip) tried to find a way to make David Carr successful.
Carr had a stronger arm & had better hair, but Davis Mills is by far a better QB.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
So Mills just logged his 30th start (Stanford & Texans) since being the number one recruit out of HS. Yep, 30 whole starts. Mind you, the Stanford teams he started 11 games for were not of the typical Stanford quality and his 19 Texans starts were pretty much with the same dismal group of players. Most of the CFB QB's entering the draft have 30 starts under their belt at the CFB level.
Last night's game saw Mills throw one absolutely beautiful TD, one iffy TD, and a couple of horrible INT's. It's part of the development process he's going to go through. I still think he's worth the developmental investment, but a veteran QB in 2023 would be invaluable, and a new rookie QB in 2024 is a must.
Last night's game saw Mills throw one absolutely beautiful TD, one iffy TD, and a couple of horrible INT's. It's part of the development process he's going to go through. I still think he's worth the developmental investment, but a veteran QB in 2023 would be invaluable, and a new rookie QB in 2024 is a must.
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Well Thunder you know we've got a handful of guys here who revel in any opportunity to make disparaging remarks about Caserio and sometimes it puzzles me why they even hang around ?
Last nights performance by Mills was another contradiction as he gunned the ball into small areas on a couple of occasions - big time throws made by a talented passer but on the other hand the picks are certainly worrisome.
I dunno did the HC and/or OC urge or pressure Mills to make a play, or was it his own lack of patience or judgment that resulted in the picks and without knowing it's just so much speculation on our part ?
Yes I'd love to know what Caserio, Lovie and his OC think of Mills now, where he's at and what his remaining potential is ?
Sorry guys but I don't think we will get the definitive answer to that question until next Springs NFL Draft.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Unfortunate about the couple of not-so-good picks Mills made (1 bad decision under pressure, 1 straight-up force/misthrow). I though he did some really good things in the game, especially making plays by moving around in the pocket. This wasn't statue Mills anymore, and I think this element will really help diversify his game because he is mobile enough to make plays outside of the pocket. The TD throw to Moore by scrambling right to escape inside pressure and delivering a perfect pass was a high-grade NFL play.
And that's kind of the deal with Mills: every game, we get 3-4 high echelon NFL throws/plays, some games 1/2 dozen. Mills has high end NFL arm talent. Just the consistency is still lacking, not helped by the lack of receiving (and often OL) talent surrounding him. This guy is going to be an NFL starting caliber QB IMO, because once he gets more experience and figures it out, the arm talent will carry him, especially if he can consistently make plays outside the pocket. It will be interesting to see if it it's in Houston though. If Caserio goes lottery QB, I hope he explores perhaps trading Mills for a draft picks to a team that give him his next opportunity to start.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
This could easily turn into a Brees/Rivers situation. We're not sure if this guy is the guy, so we draft a guy to be the guy, and then the guy we thought wasn't the guy steps up and becomes the guy and now we've got two guys.
To me, Mills hasn't stepped up and said, "I'm the guy", yet. OTOH, he hasn't totally crapped the bed. He could develop into a really good QB.
That's why guys like Caserio get paid the big bucks to figure that out and why they mostly get fired every few years.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Excellent take and agreed. At least from my vantage point, Mills isn't that far away from taking that next step, particularly if he adds more nuance in his game like expanded ability to make plays outside the pocket. We finally saw this against the Eagles because he made conscious effort of it. I expect more in the future. The bigger question is not ability or intellect - he's got plenty of both. It's whether he can be consistent and put it all together. Plenty of QBs have the physical tools, but not all have the clutch gene or can remain consistent. This is the barrier he needs to overcome, although having the worst receiving core in the NFL and Pep's system isn't helping. However, a good heaping is on Mills also. In the end, it's a results driven league.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Not the way I remember the draft. Vikings traded up above Texans to pick Kellen Mond from A&M who some said Casserio wanted. Meals was the last available unless you wanted to look at Ian Books a 6 ft 211 4th round quarterback from Notre Dame who still hasn't done anything.
I think Nick said Mills is better than nothing and after last night I think Davis is better than nothing. If he continues I think we will be extremely pleased but that is a big if.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think most get what you're saying about Davis's college experience and potential. Where I am at however is 2022 has to be his show up year regardless of how long it has taken other QB's to find their way. As a Texan fan I don't want to wait another year to determine if he is the future. As I have stated he really impressed me against a very good team. For once I got a good evaluation rather than how the Texans sloppily played a sloppy opponent the first six games. Players in all three phases stepped up as well as the offensive coordinator. The debate is was it perhaps play calling or team coming together? I think most would probably say a bit of both. Even more importantly is this significant Improvement was after 3 days off between games. That is huge!
My expectations going into the next game against the Giants should be a similar effort as it was last night.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Have to repost this play, because it was high shelf NFL grade stuff. When arm, pocket mobility and ball placement come together. Need more 'good' Davis Mills show up and less 'bad' in the second half.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am not as concerned about our wide receiver corps as many as I think Collins and Phillips can play that role in 2023. My concern has been Mills getting the ball to them and I think we saw last night that he can. Will that continue? I still think a large portion of the blame falls on Hamilton.
Something changed in this game for the better but I'm not sure I can identify what that was.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They came out with a sense of urgency. Maybe the heat is starting to get to both Lovie and Pep. The way they were losing was embarrassing.
I was looking at that last pick. It looked like they weren't on the same page. Mills threw the ball to a spot and the receiver didn't even look back. I could see if Mills just missed the throw, but did he? Maybe the receiver ran the correct route and Mills threw it to a different route.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The main problem was and even the commentator said it, he was staring down his receiver.
vtech9
All Pro
Pep actually opened up the playcalling. I think that's the biggest difference from this game. Pep actually showed up as an OC.
It was mostly Aggie fans that said Caserio wanted Mond. Nothing concrete or more than supposition imo
Phillips?
FIFY
If you ask me, I always have that Vegas betting conspiracy.
The Texans covered the point spread and the over, just like I had predicted in the game thread (though I jokingly said that it might even end up as a 24-all tie.)
I've seen this script many many many times over several decades.
Dog + Over almost always has the Dog scoring first, and they can score 10-17 points in the first half.
I don't think that is the way I would have addressed it. If you remember I didn't care for drafting a QB there at all.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Exactly what I said. Don't know but I think that was on the receiver.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I remember and neither did I. Like most choices by general managers over the years I often disagree but try to get on board once the players are Texans.
That don't matter. At times that's what QBs do.
If the DB cut in front of the receiver to intercept the ball or somehow made a play that got the INT, I would say "staring down the receiver" was an issue.
But in this case it looked like Mills was "throwing it to a spot" if the receiver were to have done what Mills was expecting to be done the Safety who just sat there wouldn't have been able to make a play on the ball.
I don't know if this is one of those offenses where the receiver has options. But looking at the coverage I can understand Mills thinking the receiver would stop, turn, & sit in a hole in the zone. Then he'd have one guy to make miss to get into the end zone.
I'm not saying that's what was supposed to happen, I don't know. But when I heard the announcer say "staring down the receiver" I immidiately said that was irrelevant.
Again, the Safety just sat there. He didn't break jump a route or beat the receiver to the spot. ball fell in his lap.