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He's mobile, too. His basketball background really shows in his footwork.

EDIT- since we are (kinda) talking about the OSU game- man, Parker Washington is having himself a good day. Built like a RB, but phenomenal hands. He doesn't have the length to compensate for the relative lack of explosiveness, so I'm a little uncertain about his NFL future, but I'd throw a mid-round pick at him if he declares.
 
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I've been watching Ohio State every week, and I believe they have the most well balanced team I've ever seen !
 
I think they will get three years. This year, next, and the following.

I heard Caserio say on the Pat McAfee show he likes to grade 3 year increments.
Probably so but I think the decision will come from higher up. The Jack easterby termination is possible indicator of Janice McNair moving to bring her team more in line with the fans call for better seasons.
 
Yep, and the is the only reason why I hope Lovie exists Kirby. The game has passed him by in this regard. Fix the DL early in this draft and find some playmakers in rds 3-4 on the offensive side of the ball

Man a DL of Carter, Anderson, Ika, and Greenard is really appealing to me. Great young talent.
Thing is,who is the best interior dl in the nfl? Donald, right? You don't have to have a big space eater to stop the run. McCoy was a 6x probowl and 2x all pro at 6'3 295. He was also had one of the best run stop % in his prime. Even a guy like Grady Jarrett of Arl is a 300 lb guy. Its alot that goes into being a good run stopper besides being big. If your're a big guy who doesn't play with leverage , you're going to get moved out the hole.
 
Thing is,who is the best interior dl in the nfl? Donald, right? You don't have to have a big space eater to stop the run. McCoy was a 6x probowl and 2x all pro at 6'3 295. He was also had one of the best run stop % in his prime. Even a guy like Grady Jarrett of Arl is a 300 lb guy. Its alot that goes into being a good run stopper besides being big. If your're a big guy who doesn't play with leverage , you're going to get moved out the hole.
Agreed

But if you notice, teams that have the big space eaters usually have the best run defenses. Look at the old Ravens/Pats defenses. Or the Eagles/49ers/Titans of today.
 
He's mobile, too. His basketball background really shows in his footwork.

EDIT- since we are (kinda) talking about the OSU game- man, Parker Washington is having himself a good day. Built like a RB, but phenomenal hands. He doesn't have the length to compensate for the relative lack of explosiveness, so I'm a little uncertain about his NFL future, but I'd throw a mid-round pick at him if he declares.
I'm intrigued with Jones' apparent improvemennt/development. My greatest concern re. Jones would still be his mobility in pass protection. Even after 10 pound weight loss from 370 lbs, he still ran a 5:44 40. Have to wonder how this translates to the NFL.
 
I'm intrigued with Jones' apparent improvemennt/development. My greatest concern re. Jones would still be his mobility in pass protection. Even after 10 pound weight loss from 370 lbs, he still ran a 5:44 40. Have to wonder how this translates to the NFL.
I am also interested in seeing his combine/pro day numbers. However, I was more referring to lateral agility here- he does a good job moving side to side without losing balance or power. I don’t think he’s ever going to be one of those tackles who you’ll see 15 yards downfield blowing up a safety.
 
Jalen Carter defensive tackle of Georgia was credited with one assist and no other tackles. If injury is the cause he needs to get better soon.
 
Agreed

But if you notice, teams that have the big space eaters usually have the best run defenses. Look at the old Ravens/Pats defenses. Or the Eagles/49ers/Titans of today.
Davis, who is one of my favorites isn't playing much. Fletcher Cox was disruptive and the reason. The old patriots were a 2 gap team, but that was a long time ago with Vince and they haven't had someone like him in a long,long time. 49ers had Buckner and Armested, Titans have Simmons who is a big agile rush guy along with Artrie another interior rush guy. Now if you want to speak of Lovie and his philosophy of stopping the run on the way to the qb, I agree. When you do that, your lbs have to be in the gap and make the stop. Pete Carrol in his present form is playing with that elephant guy like he did with red bryant and Wagner behind them. If you have a big guy who can't move, teams are going to chack his conditioning and keep him on the field. Vea is ideal because last year with him and Suh they played basically 2 pluggers and 2 de's with white and david behind them. I get your point, but it circles back to why they should've hired Flores who share the same philosophy as Carsterio in terms of body types along the dline. That's another thread though. That's another reason why I don't like temp coaches like Lovie because once Lovie is let go, you're either going to have to draft players similar to this scheme or draft players who fit another scheme in the front 7. Basically another rebuild and wasted picks.
 
If you draft guys like Stingl/Petrie and Harris they can play in any scheme. Same with Carter which is one reason why I hope Caserio picks Carter.
 
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If you draft guys like Stingl/Petrie and Harris they can play in any scheme. Same with Carter which is one reason why I hope Caserio picks Carter.
You think Carter can rush the passer from inside and stop the run. If he can't do that, then he's not worth a top pick in Lovie's scheme. If Carter can't get 8-10 sacks like Gerald McCoy and play the run, that's not a good pick regardless of what people think of him. I watched Travon Walker playing with Josh Allen opposite and he doesn't look special. He's a rookie, I understand, nut when you draft a guy that high, he needs to be really good,really quick, like Parsons.
 
You think Carter can rush the passer from inside and stop the run. If he can't do that, then he's not worth a top pick in Lovie's scheme. If Carter can't get 8-10 sacks like Gerald McCoy and play the run, that's not a good pick regardless of what people think of him. I watched Travon Walker playing with Josh Allen opposite and he doesn't look special. He's a rookie, I understand, nut when you draft a guy that high, he needs to be really good,really quick, like Parsons.

I just know last yr Carter was the best DL on a team with three 1st rd picks. He's a big dude that's very quick. Kinda reminds me of Sapp. He would really fit Lovie's defense well. Anybody's defense for that matter. Look at the difference in Georgias defense when Carter was out.
 
I just know last yr Carter was the best DL on a team with three 1st rd picks. He's a big dude that's very quick. Kinda reminds me of Sapp. He would really fit Lovie's defense well. Anybody's defense for that matter. Look at the difference in Georgias defense when Carter was out.
Cant get off blocks, can't rush the qb. I don't know what you're looking at. Nothing like sapp, with quickness .
 
I just know last yr Carter was the best DL on a team with three 1st rd picks. He's a big dude that's very quick. Kinda reminds me of Sapp. He would really fit Lovie's defense well. Anybody's defense for that matter. Look at the difference in Georgias defense when Carter was out.
Just watch that 1st game, that doesn't look like a hell raiser inside. Looks like a just a space eater.
 
What if you could get both?
Carter doesn't fit Lovie's scheme inside, imo and looking at film. He looks like a 2 tech in a 4-3 or a 5 tech in a 3-4. He has no pass rush moves, not even the basic. He more of just a bull rush guy which in the nfl, if that's all you can do, you're limited.
 
Carter doesn't fit Lovie's scheme inside, imo and looking at film. He looks like a 2 tech in a 4-3 or a 5 tech in a 3-4. He has no pass rush moves, not even the basic. He more of just a bull rush guy which in the nfl, if that's all you can do, you're limited.
How does that differ from Lopez or Hinish or Booker?
 
They are just bull rush guys with no real pass rush moves
Pretty much, but they're low drafted or undrafted guys. If you draft a guy top 5 on the interior, he needs to be Gerald McCoy/Tommie Harris/Sapp light at that 3 tech. If all you can do is bull rush, those guards and center will just anchor down and you're not going anywhere.
 
Pretty much, but they're low drafted or undrafted guys. If you draft a guy top 5 on the interior, he needs to be Gerald McCoy/Tommie Harris/Sapp light at that 3 tech. If all you can do is bull rush, those guards and center will just anchor down and you're not going anywhere.
I haven't seen enough of him healthy yet. Last year he looked good, let's see the rest of this year and bowl games before writing him off. I don't remember seeing a lot of moves from Davis either
 
I am not seeing anyone [ defensively] worth 1.1 this year. Even Will Anderson has disappointed me as we can get his productivity in round two; perhaps he will turn it up these last few games.

On offense the same thing so I am still expecting a trade down with at least one of our round ones depending on Final resting spot.
 
Did you watch any of his play last year?
Yep and it was the same thing. Just like with Walker this year. Hell, Georgia entire defense has 7 sacks. !st game of the season he was healthy and saw him get washed down too much for my liking. He pops up too much. You have to update your resume every year. Nobody is going back to you freshman year tape when you're a junior.
 
Carter doesn't fit Lovie's scheme inside, imo and looking at film. He looks like a 2 tech in a 4-3 or a 5 tech in a 3-4. He has no pass rush moves, not even the basic. He more of just a bull rush guy which in the nfl, if that's all you can do, you're limited.
Tend to agree. Those big guys also need to be rotated out a lot so for mine, the choicest picks should be for guys that can be on the field every snap - unless they're outstanding.
 
Tend to agree. Those big guys also need to be rotated out a lot so for mine, the choicest picks should be for guys that can be on the field every snap - unless they're outstanding.
All you have to do is look at his dna as a coach and who he coached. Tommie Harris, Gerald McCoy, and Warren Sapp. All of those guys at the 3 tech were 6'3 ish, 300lbs ish, with quickness and explosion to wreck the pocket from inside. Carter might go on to be a fine football player, but if the Texans draft him high, they're drafting him out of position.
 
Yep and it was the same thing. Just like with Walker this year. Hell, Georgia entire defense has 7 sacks. !st game of the season he was healthy and saw him get washed down too much for my liking. He pops up too much. You have to update your resume every year. Nobody is going back to you freshman year tape when you're a junior.
I guess we are watching 2 different players
 
I'd like you to meet Derek Stingley.

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Been watching Calijah Kancey. I thought his size might be the only thing going against him until I watched Javon Hargrave last night.

Hargrave: 6-1 @ 309 lbs and 4.93-40 / Kancey: 6-0 @ 280 lbs. and 4.69-40

Kancey would certainly gain his NFL strength and playing weight over his first couple of seasons. To keep his speed....290 lbs might be his perfect weight.
 
Been watching Calijah Kancey. I thought his size might be the only thing going against him until I watched Javon Hargrave last night.

Hargrave: 6-1 @ 309 lbs and 4.93-40 / Kancey: 6-0 @ 280 lbs. and 4.69-40

Kancey would certainly gain his NFL strength and playing weight over his first couple of seasons. To keep his speed....290 lbs might be his perfect weight.
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How can you be so sure?

You think the McNair's want to deal with an agent who talked his client into voiding his 156 mil contract he signed 6 months earlier? Not a chance in Hadies of that happening. If it does I'm thinking Cal is saying, yep you screwed me good, will you please do it again. Cal will supply the lube in this case.
 
You think the McNair's want to deal with an agent who talked his client into voiding his 156 mil contract he signed 6 months earlier? Not a chance in Hadies of that happening. If it does I'm thinking Cal is saying, yep you screwed me good, will you please do it again. Cal will supply the lube in this case.
forgot about his agent
 
You think the McNair's want to deal with an agent who talked his client into voiding his 156 mil contract he signed 6 months earlier? Not a chance in Hadies of that happening. If it does I'm thinking Cal is saying, yep you screwed me good, will you please do it again. Cal will supply the lube in this case.
What does 1 player have to do with another? Look how many deals Rosenhaus has been involved and they weren't pretty either. PK said he liked negotiating with Drew because Drew had clients and knew what he was looking for. The fact that athletes 1st have probably the games best players, you can't duck the agency. If you do that, you're again making the talent pool even smaller to choose from.
 
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