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I've been asked to clarify Watson's return to the Cleveland Browns. Watson is now allowed back in the Browns training facility. He can participate in meetings and fitness training. But he still is not allowed to throw to or practice with the team until until Nov. 14.
 
Clowney has been ruled out against the Patriots, with a knee injury, an ankle injury, and an elbow injury. This season, this is the 3rd game of 6 that he has missed games due to injuries.

Go Browns! Go to ...............
 
I continue to believe Goodell made bad agreement with DW. Any new charges no matter when should lead to further discipline. DW said no other women and he lied. Why would Goodell not include that?
 
badboy said:
I continue to believe Goodell made bad agreement with DW. Any new charges no matter when should lead to further discipline. DW said no other women and he lied. Why would Goodell not include that?
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DW40's got lawyers w/resources

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Was it Rusty Hardin's firm or Athletes First that negotiated this w/the NFL?
 
Myles Garrett exited Sunday’s loss late in the fourth quarter with an apparent left shoulder injury. From what I've found, Garrett has aggravated the left shoulder sprain he suffered during his rollover car crash prior to Week 3. He says he will play, but I don't expect to see the "real" Myles Garrett out there if he does.
 
It's good Browns aren't uttering 'tough, smart, accountable' lately because it doesn't fit
Akron Beacon Journal


CLEVELAND — Deshaun Watson's greatest contribution to the Browns thus far is ostensibly forcing them to discreetly abandon their “tough, smart, accountable” mantra.

Coach Kevin Stefanski and General Manager Andrew Berry adopted the phrase after the Browns hired them in 2020 and trotted it out in news conferences and press releases.

They haven't been uttering it publicly, though, since the franchise traded in March for Watson, the quarterback who has faced 25 lawsuits from women accusing him of sexual misconduct or sexual assault during massage appointments, received a five-year, $230 million fully guaranteed contract from the Browns despite those allegations and served six of the 11 games for which he's suspended.

It's a good thing Stefanski and Berry have strayed from the “tough, smart, accountable” claim because it would be the height of false advertising.
https://www.beaconjournal.com/pictu...-week-6-nick-chubb-myles-garrett/10518424002/
The Browns have individuals who embody those characteristics, but they aren't close to being a “tough, smart, accountable” team, and it showed Sunday during an embarrassing 38-15 loss to the New England Patriots at FirstEnergy Stadium.


Third in AFC North division standings, Browns need a miraculous turnaround

At 2-4 and third in the AFC North, the Browns will need a miraculous turnaround to make the playoffs this season, especially with the schedule stiffening. The Baltimore Ravens (3-3), Cincinnati Bengals (3-3), Miami Dolphins (3-3), Buffalo Bills (5-1) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (3-3) are the next five opponents.

Following that stretch, Watson, who has denied wrongdoing and settled 23 of those aforementioned lawsuits but has yet to resolve two of them, including one filed last week, is slated to return to the lineup Dec. 4 on the road against his former team, the Houston Texans. The Browns will be lucky to have a viable role in the postseason hunt by then.

With Mac Jones (ankle) and Brian Hoyer (concussion) out, the Patriots pummeled the Browns with rookie third-string quarterback Bailey Zappe, who completed 24 of 34 passes (70.6%) for 309 yards and two touchdowns without an interception for a rating of 118.4.

Zappe had a rating of 100 last week in his starting debut, a 29-0 win over the Detroit Lions, so he should have had the Browns' full attention. Now he's the first rookie QB with a 100-plus rating in his first two starts since Sonny Jurgensen in 1957.
 
Player Commitment and Side Effects of the Deshaun Watson Trade
This week, Cleveland Browns players addressed issues with player commitment, which has been a contributing factor in why the team has performed below expectations. There's issues that are on individuals but the Deshaun Watson trade played a role too.
Cleveland Browns players are openly acknowledging a lack of player commitment that has been apparent much of the early part of this season, a risk of having such a young team especially when so much of it is concentrated on one side of the ball. While players are ultimately responsible for the amount of extra work they put in at the facility as well as away from it, this is yet another indirect cost of the move to acquire their would be franchise quarterback Deshaun Watson.

Because of the negotiating process that led to he trade and the resulting uncertainty that came with Watson's availability, free agents weren't excited about the prospect of playing in Cleveland for the 2022 season. The assets spent on Watson and having to plan for future salary cap implications also discouraged the Browns from spending on veteran players, which almost certainly would have been on the defensive side of the ball and might have helped to avoid some of their current issues.

Instead, the Browns capitalized on an opportunity to trade for wide receiver Amari Cooper, a move that cost them just a fifth-round pick that gave them the proven receiver the team needed as well as another reason for Watson to come to Cleveland.

The Browns signed unproven veteran defensive tackle Taven Bryan, but their other moves on that side of the ball were re-signing players they already had, such as linebacker Anthony Walker Jr. and defensive end Jadeveon Clowney. They extended corner Denzel Ward as well.

The Browns actually got younger on that side of the ball by not re-signing players like defensive lineman Malik Jackson and trading corner Troy Hill. Jackson had a brutal year in Cleveland in no small part because he was signed to play the big end in their defense who would kick in to the three-tech, but because of the ineffectiveness of the interior, he played almost exclusively on the inside, a position he's not really built to play in a full-time role.

It's interesting that safety John Johnson III picked Wednesday to talk about player commitment because exactly one year ago, Jackson hinted at some of the issues the same issues within this team.
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steelbtexan said:
If you say so.

I would rather not discuss an overrated selfish racist pervert, that surrounds his self with trash. But if that's your thing then go ahead and discuss away with others.
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What's up with the unlike TB.

The truth hurts sometimes I guess.
 
Texansballer74 said:
There is nothing true about that racist comment. Why do you say stuff that you don’t want people saying to you?
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He said he wanted an all African American QB room and now he's got one. There are other instances, like look at his representations client list etc...

I call it like I see it. Some people in today's society are uncomfortable with that.
 
Earl34 said:
LOL. Watch it. You will be accused of reading old posts. :texans:
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Sorry you're guy is who he is.

It's gotta hurt, just know selfish people let selfishness infect their entire lives.

I'm just glad that POS isn't on Kirby anymore and he never should have been, like I said the day another POS drafted him. It doesn't really surprise me that one FO guy that's sexually harassing employees would draft a guy who has those same qualities.
 
steelbtexan said:
He said he wanted an all African American QB room and now he's got one. There are other instances, like look at his representations client list etc...

I call it like I see it. Some people in today's society are uncomfortable with that.
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Lol, TB

Imagine if Rodgers said I want an all white QB room and force his GM to trade Love. Wonder what your reaction would be then?
 
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steelbtexan said:
He said he wanted an all African American QB room and now he's got one. There are other instances, like look at his representations client list etc...

I call it like I see it. Some people in today's society are uncomfortable with that.
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What if you are seeing what you want to see? For example. Josh Rosen is a white QB who was in the QB room since training camp with Watson. That was not an all African American QB room.
A couple of weeks ago. Due to injuries on their defense, the Browns traded for a LB and to free a roster spot, they released Rosen.

So, to keep this narrative going. You are saying they should have cut Dobbs instead of Rosen or cut someone else and kept a 4th string QB on the roster? BTW. Why do you even give a rat's a$$ about the 4th QB on the Browns roster when the Texans have Jeff Driskell on theirs?
 
Earl34 said:
What if you are seeing what you want to see? For example. Josh Rosen is a white QB who was in the QB room since training camp with Watson. That was not an all African American QB room.
A couple of weeks ago. Due to injuries on their defense, the Browns traded for a LB and to free a roster spot, they released Rosen.

So, to keep this narrative going. You are saying they should have cut Dobbs instead of Rosen or cut someone else and kept a 4th string QB on the roster? BTW. Why do you even give a rat's a$$ about the 4th QB on the Browns roster when the Texans have Jeff Driskell on theirs?
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Nope Rosen was signed late in camp after Derrick was suspended. He was signed to the PS and cut as soon as Derrick came off of the suspension. That's not a narrative, that's a fact.

BTW, I don't care, just pointing out the double standards. I just want posters to know who Derrick really is.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope Rosen was signed late in camp after Derrick was suspended. He was signed to the PS and cut as soon as Derrick came off of the suspension. That's not a narrative, that's a fact.

BTW, I don't care, just pointing out the double standards. I just want posters to know who Derrick really is.
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Sigh. Again, you are seeing what you want to see and ignoring facts for this black QB room nonsense. This has been posted before and you keep ignoring it. Exactly who do you think is standing next to Watson? Is that a black QB? They signed Rosen on July 22nd. Training camp opened July 27th. The NFL announced the suspension on August 22.

I don't really care but if you are going to make those race-tinged comments facts do matter.

Browns sign QB Josh Rosen (clevelandbrowns.com)

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Earl34 said:
Sigh. Again, you are seeing what you want to see and ignoring facts for this black QB room nonsense. This has been posted before and you keep ignoring it. Exactly who do you think is standing next to Watson? Is that a black QB? They signed Rosen on July 22nd. Training camp opened July 27th. The NFL announced the suspension on August 22.

I don't really care but if you are going to make those race-tinged comments facts do matter.

Browns sign QB Josh Rosen (clevelandbrowns.com)

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You should go back and check out CnD's post on this topic.

He not only wanted an African American QB room. He wanted Cal to have a minority GM. That's why he wanted Khan to become the GM.

He is who he's proven to be. You can live in denial all you want. It frankly amazes me after all that he's done and CnD's post on this topic that you're willing to give this POS the benefit of the doubt. He certainly hasn't earned it.
 
steelbtexan said:
You should go back and check out CnD's post on this topic.

He not only wanted an African American QB room. He wanted Cal to have a minority GM. That's why he wanted Khan to become the GM.

He is who he's proven to be. You can live in denial all you want. It frankly amazes me after all that he's done and CnD's post on this topic that you're willing to give this POS the benefit of the doubt. He certainly hasn't earned it.
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It's not about denial or even giving him the benefit of the doubt. From an unbiased perspective, the facts, the timeline and Rosen being on the roster doesn't match the rumors. I get it. Watson is a POS and doesn't deserve the time we waste discussing him. I just find it hard to believe in this day and age a player can demand players of a certain race by on a roster. It's just too insane to believe.

Also, no disrespect to CnD. But I don't think he runs in Watson's circle or was in the negotiations with Watson, Mulughetha and the Browns. I have no idea how his source could give that info to him. I have no issue with CnD. However, as we have seen on numerous occasions. Sources get things wrong too and when the facts do not match the rumor, by nature, I'm skeptical of the source and the agenda. We can close this round.
 
steelbtexan said:
He said he wanted an all African American QB room and now he's got one. There are other instances, like look at his representations client list etc...

I call it like I see it. Some people in today's society are uncomfortable with that.
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People of color can't be racist because they hold no power. Top that off, how is Mulagetta part of Athletes 1st that has client of all colors and be racist, which he can't possibly be? You're smarter than this, but carry on.
 
steelbtexan said:
You should go back and check out CnD's post on this topic.

He not only wanted an African American QB room. He wanted Cal to have a minority GM. That's why he wanted Khan to become the GM.

He is who he's proven to be. You can live in denial all you want. It frankly amazes me after all that he's done and CnD's post on this topic that you're willing to give this POS the benefit of the doubt. He certainly hasn't earned it.
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He was wrong, sources were wrong, but carry on.
 
leebigeztx said:
People of color can't be racist because they hold no power. Top that off, how is Mulagetta part of Athletes 1st that has client of all colors and be racist, which he can't possibly be? You're smarter than this, but carry on.
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Show me the Mulaghettta client list then we can have a discussion.

If you want to say Athletes 1st hired DM because he could deliver high profile minority athletes, I would agree with you. I guess that's just another case of the white man talking advantage of minorites for financial gain?
 
steelbtexan said:
Show me the Mulaghettta client list then we can have a discussion.

If you want to say Athletes 1st hired DM because he could deliver high profile minority athletes, I would agree with you. I guess that's just another case of the white man talking advantage of minorites for financial gain?
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Again, what power does Mulgetta has? Watson is a qb, his agent is part of a multiracial agency. Neither are owners, gm's, or vps. When you get the chance ,look up the definition racist. You have to have power over a group of people . You think Watson or David have power over a group of class of people in the nfl? The mods are probably going to move this, but you keep saying the same thing and you're incorrect. Carry on.
 
steelbtexan said:
Says who?

Believe what you want.

Another poster giving Derrick the benefit of the doubt.

SMH
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When the poster made statement about Watson wanting a all black front office, coaches, qb room and all the other ridiculous ideas, I mentioned Khan ,the Steelers gm who is of Arabic descent.. Then you look the teams in the sweepstakes, none had what he mentioned via sources. The stuff about pulling a coup on ownership sounded like a hbo series. Believe what you will, because that's your right. Sources are wrong all the time and if you fish through , you will see where it was admitted sources were wrong.
 
leebigeztx said:
Again, what power does Mulgetta has? Watson is a qb, his agent is part of a multiracial agency. Neither are owners, gm's, or vps. When you get the chance ,look up the definition racist. You have to have power over a group of people . You think Watson or David have power over a group of class of people in the nfl? The mods are probably going to move this, but you keep saying the same thing and you're incorrect. Carry on.
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They don't have the power over billionaires

Agree to disagree
 
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leebigeztx said:
When the poster made statement about Watson wanting a all black front office, coaches, qb room and all the other ridiculous ideas, I mentioned Khan ,the Steelers gm who is of Arabic descent.. Then you look the teams in the sweepstakes, none had what he mentioned via sources. The stuff about pulling a coup on ownership sounded like a hbo series. Believe what you will, because that's your right. Sources are wrong all the time and if you fish through , you will see where it was admitted sources were wrong.
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Where do I need to be fishing?
 
leebigeztx said:
When the poster made statement about Watson wanting a all black front office, coaches, qb room and all the other ridiculous ideas, I mentioned Khan ,the Steelers gm who is of Arabic descent.. Then you look the teams in the sweepstakes, none had what he mentioned via sources. The stuff about pulling a coup on ownership sounded like a hbo series. Believe what you will, because that's your right. Sources are wrong all the time and if you fish through , you will see where it was admitted sources were wrong.
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Khan is not of Arabic descent. He is half Hispanic and half Indian.
 
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