The conversation was about what to do with the first pick. You ignore that and want to turn it into another general draft discussion/thread. **** that ****!
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I believe putting the final touches on the defense could be a make or break decision for Caserio in 2023.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
3T is most important position in Lovie’s defense per the HC/DC. Might as well grab the special talent!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Lovie's defense needs an infusion of front 7 talent. I believe DT- Jalen Carter, Georgia would be a good start. I also believe a big sideline to sideline who can plug the gaps is available in ILB- Jack Campbell, Iowa. If LB- Christian Harris can deliver....then Cashman and Wallow should be able to man the strong side while Hansen provides the backup to Harris on the weak side. I'd like to add DT- PJ Mustipher, Penn State to help shore up the middle. A big SS could be a plus addition to pretty much put the defense in its best position in years.
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What rds are you willing to draft these guys in? Remember how badly they need to fix the skill positions and there are only so many picks to make.
You don't think Will Anderson, Jalen Carter, and Myles Murphy are much better upgrades over what we have now versus the upgrade between Mills and the QBs in this draft?
badboy
Hall of Fame
There are round three picks that are better than some of the players we have. When drafting I always evaluate the current year college players are having compared to the previous one and expect each to be better with some exceptions. Among those would be players transferring to another college system, a player having a tremendous season such as Will Anderson in 2021 and being double or triple teamed every play in 2022. BTW that is not happening with anderson.
Also a team losing it's coach such as Oklahoma to USC or injuries such as with Njigba-Smith.
The role a QB has along with relative scarcity each draft also impacts my choices.
leebigeztx
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With 2 picks in the top 15, I don't know why they can't get the highest rated qb, whomever they choose and the highest rated other player. I predicted Brown would win 5 games before Watson return and 4 when he get back. They may fall short of 9, but they will be around 7 which from the looks of it, about 13. Texans pick is going to be top 5. Thats probably 3 and 13 like last year. They could also move Hughes for a 6th or 7th to a team that needs a situational pass rusher. The oline has shown its good enough to support and rookie qb and the run game also. They could use alot of talent in the defensive front 7 and another boundary WR.
Why would you take a QB in the top 5... or top 15 if you don't have the QB rated that high or there are players you have rated higher when your pick comes up?
leebigeztx
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Ratings are in the eye of the beholder. There will be at least 3 qb's who are rated as top prospects more than likely. Nobody on this board, included myself actually know how the scouts rate college prospects. Look no further than this past draft with Gardner,Stingley,Walker,Zion,Green, ec... In my opinion, if any of the qbs are rated a 9.8 and a dl is rated 9.81, I'm taking the qb because of his impact on the game by touching the ball every offensive snap. Now if the qb is a 8.1 vs another player 9.8, then I'm going with the other player. Everyone talks about needs drafting bpa, but the board is vertical and horizontal. I'm watching Zappe operate and drafted by Patriots even though they had Mac Jones but the Texans obviously didn't have Zappe rated as high as Metchie or Anderson.
I'm watching Justin Fields, who Mills is still out playing
I think that's the opinion of the majority. The difference seems to be where the QB's are rated. As of now, I don't have any rated in the top of the draft, though Hooker is rising in my opinion
Texansballer74
The Marine
7 wins for the Brown will more and likely land us another top 10 pick.
leebigeztx
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Both of them are not playing good football. But at least with Fields he adds value to his team with his legs. 10 carries 74 yards.
leebigeztx
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Could be or it might land like it did last year between 10-15. There is alot of teams hovering around there based on projections so far. Jags,Browns,Steelers, Cardinals,commanders,Bears, Saints,Lions,Texans,Broncos, Panthers, Raiders, that's 12 right there. We will see especially when some of the vets are shipped out and guys are just cut.
leebigeztx
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I told my buddies last year they should've brought Nagy back. He wasn't great last year either,but he looked better than this. It lloks like square peg,round hole,but he's not letting the ball go, his eyes are slow.
He's balling today
To make it short, I haven't been impressed with Stroud at all, I posted what I thought of him. I think Young is too small and I think Levis is too raw. And I guarantee that I'm not the only one in the world that thinks that
Carter and the DE from Nortwestern.
Idont compare last yr to this yr. I look at classes in 2 yr windows and you draft to the strength of those classes. Example: This is a really strong TE class, so I would draft a TE in the 2023 class rather than the 2024 class.
This isn't the yr to draft QB or OL except the Center position. IMHO
Fat chance Ika lasts to the 3rd. But if he did I would draft him in addition to Carter.
Carter is hurt. But a better talent than Davis or Wyatt. IMHO
Put Carter, Ika and draft Robert Beal in the 4rh and you have the foundation of a good defense. Sign a top notch LB and a guy like Jack in FA and the defense will look much better.
Or wait a yr to draft your QB and add to your defensive front 7 along with a boundary WR and a TE. Then draft a QB and have a more complete team with your QB on his rookie deal for 5 yrs. This doesn't waste a yr or 2 of your rookie QB's contract and actually you've got a more talented team with a rookie QB and a 5-7 yr window to compete for championships. The only reason not to operate this way is if there's a Manning/Elway/Luck type prospect.
Do you think Jones/Zappe are the future in Foxboro?
So you think Derrick's going to comeback after not playing in 2 yrs and go 6-1?
I haven't seen the schedule and they do play the Texans so that's probably 1 win, but I think it's highly unlikely the Browns go 6-1.
Depends on if you think any of these guys will become top 5 QB's? If not you pass on them.
He did a fine job of a tailback impersonating a QB.
Fields is the guy we saw against the Texans. Not good, My Bears friend is extremely disappointed in his play this yr and is hoping that it's because of a lack of weapons at the WR position.
Maybe he's just another Ohio St. QB that looks great in that offense. But is overmatched against NFL defenses? There's a long list of those guys dating back to the 80's.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes he’s that talented and that offense is stacked. JB is a back up quarterback at best and he doesn’t bring what Watson brings to the table.
The Browns are 2-5 right now. They have been in every game except against the Patriots. When Watson comes back they will only have 6 games left to play. Texans, Bengals, Ravens, Saints, Commanders, and Steelers. The Browns could win all of those games with Watson l.
Looking at this they probably will go 5-2 and win the 7 games LBig was predicting. Man, the Browns had an easy schedule this yr.
leebigeztx
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You keep bringing up Manning,Elway, Luck prospect. You know how many prospects are like those you mentioned? None. You know how many have won superbowls without being that? Plenty. That's like saying I'm not drafting a player unless he's LeBron or MJ. Joe Burrough isn't on that level, he just went to the superbowl. Herbert has uber talent, but they just got ran off the field by Seattle. You can have the vaunted front 7 of the 49ers who just got a 40 piece put on them by KC. The Colts have everything you talk of and what's going on with them? Of course you know this
leebigeztx
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You can say that about every position at any school correct. Where is the hell raiser from Alabama with Saban that Will Anderson is following? The best thing to come out of Bama has been the wr's. Who was the last great Qb from UT? You have to judge every prospect in its own vacuum. Its hard because what you've just witnessed is in your mind. Remember Kyle Boller,Harrington, Smith and the Tedford touch? All failures and drafted high within a 6 yr span. Who was the last one? Rodgers, an all time great. Again, every prospect has to be graded individually, not with association.
leebigeztx
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Dunno. That patriots way look more and more like Brady's way.
leebigeztx
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After the season, I'm going to go out on a limb and say every draft board or top 100 or whatever source you use for the draft, 2 of those guys will be rated in the top 10 maybe 3. We know just on rawness, guys, especially qb get drafted high. I mean Big Ben was raw as was Flacco. A big guy who can move and the ball explodes out of his hands is walking the same line as Josh Allen. The Tennessee kid is a bit older at 25, but he has a big arm and can move. He looks like a more polished Jalen Hurts coming out, but he's moving up also to. Senior Bowl will be key for him. To each is own, we will see, but I hope Indy isn't sorry enough to draft one of those guys and they turn out to be what they're rated because that's going to be trouble.
leebigeztx
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He regressed. He looked more competent last year just on the basic stuff than he does this year. I would've hired the oc from Baltimore in front of Eberflus or again EB. I need a coach who is going to tailor an offense around a skillset.
leebigeztx
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Brissett tricked off 2 games by himself. He hasn't been bad, he's made the worse possible decision at the worse possible time.
No the Colts don't have what you think they've got.
If you settle you end up with Schaub. Give me an answer to your question, how many and how many have been able to do it without a complete roster. Draft a middling QB with this roster and 5 years from now after the roster is built out 2 of which you've wasted training your middling guy up, then you've gotta pay your middling QB and soon there after your window has closed.
The tailback playing QB offense has won how many championships? BTW, if I was hired to be the HC I would do exactly what you're suggesting and I would roll with it until I ran Fields in the ground. After 5 years I would be looking for another QB, but the bright side is I wouldn't have to deal with the trash that represents Anymore. I would have done the same thing with Derrick. You want to play QB that way then let's play QB that way and see how long they last.
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leebigeztx
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Your opinion is middling , but you don't know. If you do, give me the lotto numbers. The Colts are a qb away correct? Every since Luck retired, they've tried the last gasp/no turnover type guys and rely on the other talent. The Titans tried with Tanneyhill who was the #8 pick, but at the end, your qb has to make plays even when everything else is not right. That's why Eli has the same number of rings as his brother and that's why Flacco, though inconsistent has one of the greatest post seasons ever. Your talent has to be able to overcome some things. Nobody is blaming Herbert for their record even though we know his recent receipts. IMO, alot of other factors can hold a team back, but it can't be the qb.
I do know I wouldn't spend a high pick on a QB in this draft.
So yes I do know what I would and wouldn't do. It's probably the opposite of what you would do and what the Texans have been doing for the last 2 decades
leebigeztx
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Your plan would be flawless I'm sure.
vtech9
All Pro
DT's:
I like Carter.
Don't know much about Bresee.
I'll have to watch Mustipher when Penn St plays Ohio State and Michigan.
I like Ika's size. He should be able to block up the middle with just his size alone.
A few other big guys I'll have to scout later are Kentucky DT Justin Rogers, Auburn DT Jayson Jones, FSU DT Robert Cooper, and Coastal Carolina DT Jerrod Clark.
I haven't paid much attention to LB's yet.
This may be true, but perhaps half (or more) picking in the top 10 won't have a QB in the top 10 on their board
leebigeztx
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That's why nobody drafts best player available. Its always bpa that fits a need especially is the early 1st rd. Remember how everyone was beating up the Bengals for drafting Chase vs Sewell? They had Chase as the highest rated player regardless of position vs drafting a trench player because their qb got sacked as a rookie. Sewell has been solid, Chase has been dynamic. There are alot of ways to skin the cat as they say. I'm not against any of it as long as the player being drafted is top flight at his position. Joe Thomas is one of the greatest LT to play, never sniffed a playoffs. Clowney was the top pick in a sub par qb draft. He was suppose to be this generational player even though he was as stiff as a pair of jeans from the cleaners. My point is whatever player you take top 5 or 10, he needs to be one of the best at his position in the nfl.IMO, its way more important to get the all pro or pro-bowl player than it is position.
leebigeztx
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Lovie is not gonna going to draft Ika
What edge have you seen out there that has good bend. I like the DE's from Texas Tech/Nortwestern/Army.
Unfortunately this is true.
Wanna improve the front 7 pick Anderson in Rd. 1 and Ika at the beginning of rd. 2. Add LB's like Barr that can rush the passer in FA along with a stud FA middle LB and the defense will be much improved. I also would take a flyer on a DE like Beal or McDonald in the middle of Rd 4. Too bad Lovie doesn't like big Fatty's.
Think of a draft like this.
Rd.1 DT Carter
Rd.1 WR Johnston
Rd.2 DT Ika
Rd.3 RB Achane
Rd. 3 C Stromberg
Rd.4.TE Kincaid
Rd.4 DE Beal after trading up.
Speed size and toughness. Sign me up for this Combo of size and speed.