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I agree that I don’t think either of these guys are really gonna be our franchise QB. But the Bama offense around Young is not good. It’s him and Gibbs and that’s it. Stroud however has an absolutely dominant oline and the best WR’s in the country. Stroud would implode here or anywhere without a top 10 oline in my opinion.
The land mine to avoid is Stroud imo. I don’t think he’s a lock to bust but I’m not at all sold on his ability to handle not being behind that Ohio State oline.
Being without that bevy if stand out WR's is going to hurt him also
The defense would look great and you would still lose a lot of games because the offense would struggle to score 20 points per game
A lot but not enough if you want to draft Williams or Maye in 2024
Agreed and there's merit in going this way.
Get some weapons now so they don't have as steep of learning curve with the new QB. It seems to take more time with most WR's and TE's to reach potential. A year seasoning would do them good. And there is no way Payton will ever coach the Texans as long as McNairs are primary owners
It could have & should have been done very differently targeting 2023 as the year to be active in FA.
& if I were trying to make excuses I’d be right there with you. But he created most of the 2023 dead money & didn’t have to.
Try to understand, I agree with everything you said here.
Have the McNairs ever worked that way? What makes you think they'd start now?
You're not understanding what I'm saying. Flores was his guy. McCown was Janice's guy. The other guys on the list were tokens. Nobody wanted them. By the time Gannon's name came out as "the guy" there was no one else. He was the last guy left on a bogus list.
A draft pick is only as valuable as what someone else is willing to pay for it. It depends on if Detroit wants a QB and is concerned they won't get one of the top 2. It might be cool to have two top 6 picks and another top 15 pick as opposed to the #1 and a top 15.
Good discussion but wrong thread and we need to move to the draft thread rather than Kenyon green.
I would think each team management would believe that they would have an excellent relationship with their star quarterback in his fourth or 5th Year and not anticipate difficulties. The bad taste we have in our mouth with Watson was not over negotiating his new contract but his demand to be traded after he received it plus the sex stuff.
I get that, but Watson got everything he wanted. Rather Watson’s agent got everything he wanted. If I were he I’d push the limit on everything knowing I can’t lose against the Texans
Davis Mills is Pep's guy, Pep talked Nick into drafting Mills and giving up 2 draft picks to move up to draft Collins. That's why there was no competition. This is Pep's offense. Where it gets convoluted is Lovie promised his buddy George Warhop a 1st RD pick to take the OL coach job. Not sure how that set with Pep but explains how the Texans drafted an underachieving athletic 34" arm OG. The funny thing is looking back, Culley was right in wanting to keep Tim Kelly and Caserio and Lovie were wrong going with Pep.
Correct, that's why Culley was FIRED only a day or so after Flores was FIRED. Flores was Caserio's man only after McDaniels wouldn't return Nick's calls. McCown was an Easterby McNair choice. Gannon only entered the picture after the Texans had 2 strikes and a foul ball. After Caserio struck out on Gannon, Cal came in and relieved Caserio.
Cal said I'm going with Lovie only after Gannon told Caserio he was withdrawing his name from consideration.
That was the convenient excuse, people who don't drink the Kool-Aid know this. They know Culley would have likely never said this if it had not been previously discussed. Even if he did he could've come back with we've decided to take the offense in another direction. It really was not a fireable offense. The gullible and naive will swallow the convenient excuse, hook, line, and sinker. It is amazing how the Kool-Aid revises history.
Nope.
Pretty much that is exactly how it happened. When Gannon insisted on hiring his own asst coaches he was told he was no longer under consideration for the Texan's head coach. The next day Cal announced the Texans hired Lovie as the new HC.
Caserio called Gannon and told him Lovie was getting the job because of Cal and Gannon withdrew his name from consideration.
Gannon did not withdraw his name, he was told he was no longer being considered. Even after reports that Texans were very impressed with Gannon and Gannon was thought to be the favorite for the job. When Gannon balked at not being able to hire his own coaches and final say on 53 man roster is when Gannon was told he was no longer being considered. With Flores turning into a dumpster fire, and McCown making absolutely no sense, the Texans were back at square one. Cal and Janice had finally had enough of this circus for the second year in a row. The next day Cal announced Lovie as the new HC, Lovie hired all of his coaches and has the final say on the 3 man roster. The difference between Nick and Cal. The truth of the matter is if Flores had not been fired David Culley might still be the Texans HC.
He was the favorite until Cal told Caserio he was hiring Lovie.
He was the favorite until he said he wanted to hire his own coaches and that's when Caserio said he was no longer being considered. When Caserio told Cal they were back at square one, Cal told Caserio he was hiring Lovie and there would be some changes to Nick's job description and responsibilities.
It was the worst game they played all year. Green is obviously injured, he was manhandled most of the game, embarrassingly so. Mills was disappointing, started off the game with a pick-six. When you take a look at the box score you'll understand. I want Maye or Williams but I don't want Lovie, Pep and Caserio anywhere close to them. They would be the reason the Texans drafted one of them.
Why should Culley fire someone he didn't hire? That's why I said Caserio is a coward. He sticks his head in the sand instead of standing tall on ish
Mills was terrible under pressure. We've seen somebody play with Julian Davenport at tackle under a jail break and make plays, but he can't read defenses
On the pick six which resembled the play last week that took forever to get to the hash marks, he had set in his mind from snap where he was throwing the ball.
I didn't get to watch the game, but I did see the play and he was staring down Cooks.Mills was terrible under pressure. We've seen somebody play with Julian Davenport at tackle under a jail break and make plays, but he can't read defenses
