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Jack Easterby is gone!

steelbtexan said:
This,

People make it out like he came with no credentials.

That's simply not true.
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His credentials were as a team chaplain. That was it. Not anything involved in personnel. Not anything in the actual running of a football organization. He was qualified as a team chaplain and that was it. He was exposed pretty early on as a POS and yet he kept rising in the organization to become the freaking GM.
 
steelbtexan said:
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This

I didn't care if Easterby was fired or not. He had no power in the org this yr, so him being here didn't really matter to me. He did the job he was hired to do, clean up the trash in the org and help with the hiring of Caserio, who the McNair's had wanted to hire for yrs. His job had been completed down on Kirby.

The scapegoat is gone, who will be the new scapegoat? Remember the McNair's still own the team, so if things dont go well there will always be a new scapegoat. I'm guessing Lovie.
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Hervoyel said:
I feel like I'm probably not in a good position to really appreciate how good this is. I punched out right before or just at the time of his arrival and started distancing myself from the Texans for my own sanity. As nothing seemed to get better for years after I can only assume I was fortunate to have missed most of his time here. I honestly still don't even know what he did exactly. I get that he was one of those people that seems to make the place dysfunctional but I also can't help but worry that the "dysfunction" was in the building a lot longer than Easterby. Probably longer than O'Brien as well.
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Kinda my take as well....The dysfunction was alive and well well before he arrived on Kirby in 2019 & i'm inclined to believe that'll always be the stigma around the Texans until they start winning........which still won't mean anything in terms of whether or not there is dysfunction. That tell all book about what was really going on over there off Kirby is gonna be fire b/c i'm sure there's a helluva lot more to why his tenure lasted as long as it did here than people wanted........& i'd wager it goes well beyond the Houston & subsequent national sports media narrative that he was the source of it all... The sad thing is alot of fans too ingrained in their sports radio 610 narrative will believe his exit from the organization is the turning point..& it very well may be....but only b/c that was around the corner as we finally have a GM who appears to know what he's doing & we are rebuilding right...... Not b/c Easterby was finally fired.

Lets also not forget he was instrumental in bringing NC here if it turns out that he's the GM that some of us think he is.
 
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Mr teX said:
The sad thing is alot of fans too ingrained in their sports radio 610 narrative will believe his exit from the organization is the turning point..& it very well may be....but only b/c that was around the corner as we finally have a GM who appears to know what he's doing & we are rebuilding right...... Not b/c Easterby was finally fired.
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Agreed, this firing won't be a turning point. The turning point will be when the offensive line and QB play improve.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, so you're running with the media narrative...got it.
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I don't even know what media narrative you're talking about as I've been detached from the Texans since shortly after BoB got fired and I don't live in Houston. I wanted a full house cleaning in 2020, not a team chaplain as GM. I also believe the past and current players themselves who posted on twitter about the toxic environment surrounding the Texans that arose shortly after Jack arrived. This type of stuff never is publicly shared by multiple players or former organizational people in an NFL franchise, much less with their names attached to it. Yet despite this, still Jack got more power. There was smoke everywhere you turned that the guy was treating people terribly. When they didn't do a full house cleaning and Deshaun requested a trade (this was before all his horrendous behavior came out), that was my end point.

So no, I don't know what media narrative you're talking about. I only chimed in to wish those fans that stuck around well as I do miss rooting for the Texans and chatting here (even wore my old shirt today after hearing the news).
 
Brisco_County said:
Agreed, this firing won't be a turning point. The turning point will be when the offensive line and QB play improve.
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saw a graphic while watching the Jets/Packers game yesterday that showed the Texans are 2nd only behind the Jets in terms of the good production they are getting from their rookie class. Thats pretty damn stout. I say that to say that our upcoming good cap situation as well as that stellar draft class….. Easterby’s prescence in the org didn’t prevent that from happening…so its more likely that his presence in the org prior to that wasn’t as detrimental as houston sports media would have you believe either.

Dude was just used as a scapegoat…b/c he upset the apple cart in that FO. and its likely that Cal kept him around despite calls for his firing b/c he knew. Hell Cal has alluded as much to it…the narrative being run about him in the media is not accurate…
 
TexansFight said:
In the Loop today was great. It was cathartic to listen since I have never hated anyone as much as BOB and Easterby other than Bud Adams. Must listen. Landry Locker and the OG John Lopez were nails.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582087774395518976
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I found it to be a bit weak, especially how they tried to discredit Easterby's part in hiring Caserio. They also tried to make it out that Easterby and Caserio were not that close and didn't know each other that well. They worked together in New England, Easterby went to the ring ceremony and spent the evening sitting next to Caserio, flew home the next day and fired Gaine with the intent to hire Caserio. If it weren't for Easterby, Nick Caserio would not have become the Texans GM. Today Caserio has been relegated to Cal and Lovie's assistant in much the same way Rick Smith was Bob and Gary's. The Loop really tried to downplay all of this.
 
cameronkrazie86 said:
I don't even know what media narrative you're talking about as I've been detached from the Texans since shortly after BoB got fired and I don't live in Houston. I wanted a full house cleaning in 2020, not a team chaplain as GM. I also believe the past and current players themselves who posted on twitter about the toxic environment surrounding the Texans that arose shortly after Jack arrived. This type of stuff never is publicly shared by multiple players or former organizational people in an NFL franchise, much less with their names attached to it. Yet despite this, still Jack got more power. There was smoke everywhere you turned that the guy was treating people terribly. When they didn't do a full house cleaning and Deshaun requested a trade (this was before all his horrendous behavior came out), that was my end point.

So no, I don't know what media narrative you're talking about. I only chimed in to wish those fans that stuck around well as I do miss rooting for the Texans and chatting here (even wore my old shirt today after hearing the news).
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There was only 1 player that i can recall who said anything that directly pointed at Easterby…..& that was AJ…and 1, he had nothing to lose by saying what he said b/c he had no skin in the game as a former player….2, he also was saying what he said (at the time) in defense of his boy DW4 & his request for a trade….which blew up in his face so spectacularly due to DW4’s off the field issues, he had to fall back immediately. The next time we even see AJ, he’s chumming it up with Cal in the press box at a Texans game…he likely even knew he had made a mistake..Easterby was still on the payroll at that point too.

the only other player who said something mostly on the record about Easterby indirectly was Nuk..right after his trade in the SI article. but his track record is shaky too considering how it was revealed in that same article how he low key manipulated his way out of Houston, 2, his history of storming out of practice behind an innocuous statement made by BoB McNair…& 3 most recently, his 6 game PED suspension.

The media narrative at 1 point or another attributed most of that to Bob….. and after he was fired or by extension Easterby..who was here at BoB’s recommendation and who supposedly “helped” him with the Nuk trade and the later DW4 extension…..

the question you have to ask yourself is do you REALLY believe Easterby was a SIGNIFICANT power player with those 2 disastrous deals or do you believe BoB…a NOTORIOUS control freak & red ass with so many folks in the FO throughout his tenure here was the main driver, architect and brainchild for idiotic deals like he was for so many other stupid contracts, trades & extensions that wound up hurting this team. The answer is obvious. Not a chance in hell.
 
TexansFight said:
In the Loop today was great. It was cathartic to listen since I have never hated anyone as much as BOB and Easterby other than Bud Adams. Must listen. Landry Locker and the OG John Lopez were nails.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582087774395518976
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Not a whole lot there…2 guys who already had it out for him going on a tirade talking about things he said to them that they didnt believe…they thibk He lied to them about….offering no proof…..at the same tine giving BoB…and themselves passes..
 
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TexansBull said:
Way off the mark. It isn’t about hiring a DC. It is about not being in a lawsuit for discrimination. That is why we have Lovie.
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I've stated several times that Lovie was a PC hire.

Maybe foregoing a dc was the deciding factor between Lovie or Pep getting the hc gig.idonno: They both fit the criteria.

:coffee:
 
steelbtexan said:
This,

People make it out like he came with no credentials.

That's simply not true.
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He didn't. He lied about who he was in Jacksonville. NE had a great culture because they were winning before he ever stepped foot in the building. How you go from character coach to negotiating contracts, to interim gm after getting Gaine fired. He was a snake and still a snake. I mean when he was speaking and stereotyping people is enough to know this dude is a snake.
 
Leaving this MB for awhile is far more honorable than staying and whining all day everyday. You made a single point and it stuck. Others make the same points day after day after day with the same results day after day after day.
 
Mr teX said:
saw a graphic while watching the Jets/Packers game yesterday that showed the Texans are 2nd only behind the Jets in terms of the good production they are getting from their rookie class. Thats pretty damn stout. I say that to say that our upcoming good cap situation as well as that stellar draft class….. Easterby’s prescence in the org didn’t prevent that from happening…so its more likely that his presence in the org prior to that wasn’t as detrimental as houston sports media would have you believe either.

Dude was just used as a scapegoat…b/c he upset the apple cart in that FO. and its likely that Cal kept him around despite calls for his firing b/c he knew. Hell Cal has alluded as much to it…the narrative being run about him in the media is not accurate…
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C'mon bro. They couldn't even get interviews with coaches because JE was in the way. I don't have anything against Lovie, I actually like Lovie and the way he functions, but Lovie was basically a half court hook shot .
 
cuppacoffee said:
I've stated several times that Lovie was a PC hire.

Maybe foregoing a dc was the deciding factor between Lovie or Pep getting the hc gig.idonno: They both fit the criteria.

:coffee:
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You are probably right.

Funny part is I quoted you saying Lovie was a PC hire. Last week sometime.
 
leebigeztx said:
C'mon bro. They couldn't even get interviews with coaches because JE was in the way. I don't have anything against Lovie, I actually like Lovie and the way he functions, but Lovie was basically a half court hook shot .
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Think that was mostly b/c the DW4 fiasco wasn’t anywhere close to being resolved…..….criminally that is. Once that happened, they didn’t really have a problem this past offseason getting interviews from candidates despite all the civil suits still not being fully resolved. Lovie was just the guy who’d already been here and integrated.
 
TexansBull said:
I don’t know about y’all - but having Easterby gone is like finally getting closure from the fuckastrophe that OB, Watson, and Easterby created.

Finally we can close that chapter and officially go back to being an expansion team again.
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I dont even think about Easterby until someone mentions him here or elsewhere. Out of sight out of mind when it comes to my Texans.
 
steelbtexan said:
^^^^
This

I didn't care if Easterby was fired or not. He had no power in the org this yr, so him being here didn't really matter to me. He did the job he was hired to do, clean up the trash in the org and help with the hiring of Caserio, who the McNair's had wanted to hire for yrs. His job had been completed down on Kirby.

The scapegoat is gone, who will be the new scapegoat? Remember the McNair's still own the team, so if things dont go well there will always be a new scapegoat. I'm guessing Lovie.
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I think you overstate the job he was hired to do and his success. You're on record that you knew Watson was selfish and not the person he portrayed himself to be. I don't think you have ever met Watson or spent significant time with Watson. Yet, Easterby, a professional character coach who interacted with Watson on a daily basis, didn't notice or warn the McNairs about his character flaws. Yes, it was the McNairs who signed off on Watson's contract, but everyone gave Easterby credit for the negotiations and the no-trade clause. Even on the day the contract was signed, it was Easterby at the press conference raving about Watson's character and his will to serve. Was he lying?

Also, about cleaning up the trash. Did he miss it or was involved in the hotel arrangement the Texans setup for Watson? How did he clean that up? IMHO. The only thing Easterby was successful at was getting undeserved organization power and money from the McNairs.
 
Earl34 said:
I think you overstate the job he was hired to do and his success. You're on record that you knew Watson was selfish and not the person he portrayed himself to be. I don't think you have ever met Watson or spent significant time with Watson. Yet, Easterby, a professional character coach who interacted with Watson on a daily basis, didn't notice or warn the McNairs about his character flaws. Yes, it was the McNairs who signed off on Watson's contract, but everyone gave Easterby credit for the negotiations and the no-trade clause. Even on the day the contract was signed, it was Easterby at the press conference raving about Watson's character and his will to serve. Was he lying?

Also, about cleaning up the trash. Did he miss it or was involved in the hotel arrangement the Texans setup for Watson? How did he clean that up? IMHO. The only thing Easterby was successful at was getting undeserved organization power and money from the McNairs.
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That's one point of view

I think after he got the lowdown on Derrick he told McNair and then toed the company line.

He did screw up badly give Derrick the no trade clause. He was also a poor negotiatior with the Mercilus/Cunningham contracts. Out of his depth and I'm glad he's gone. Hopefully Cal learned something.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who was responsible for the Strong pick?

Talk about a bust.

Whoever made that pick was an idiot. To think Lockett went 1 pick ahead of this turd.
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Slick Rick flubbed that one. Texans traded up with the intention of drafting Tyler Lockett, but they sent in the paperwork too soon telegraphing their move and SEA jumped ahead of them to steal Lockett away. Strong was the next guy on Rick's WR board, and he couldn't get something different done in the time allotted.

Think about this: Had the Texans drafted Lockett they wouldn't have needed to draft Will Fuller. Lockett filled returner and WR roles. Big fail.
 
TexansFight said:
Lovie is a below-average to average at best HC. Once we draft a franchise QB this year or next, we need to hire an elite offensive mind as HC. Lovie can be a placeholder until then. He is nothing more. The Josh McCown potential nightmare is no more.
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Yep. If you can't get a college program to .500, you (should be) on the backside of you're coaching career. Innovative he is not.
 
TexansBull said:
Way off the mark. It isn’t about hiring a DC. It is about not being in a lawsuit for discrimination. That is why we have Lovie.
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We have Lovie because Cal overrode Caserio, who had told Jonathan Gannon he was getting the gig.

Cal brought Lovie in because Rick had convinced Bob that Lovie was an option and Bob would've hired him. Cal hired Caserio because Bob tried three or four different times to hire Nick. One of these was a good decision.

Question is, what will Cal (or Kyle as his first HC hire called him) do now that there are no more decisions left that his dad would've made???
 
cuppacoffee said:
So you think Lovie is doing a better job than McCown could have done? :shades: I don't.
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So you think someone with ZERO coaching experience at any level could do better? That’s some whack thinking if that’s the case.

And FWIW, George Halas wrapped in Vince Lombardi wouldn’t get much more out of this team. They just don’t have the pieces yet.

cuppacoffee said:
Hiring a failed HC is not necessarily a better choice than hiring a first time coach. Lovie failed miserably on his last job.
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A first time coach is one thing. A first time coach of anything ever is quite different if you’re still talking about McCown.

cuppacoffee said:
How much money is Lovie saving Cal by not hiring a DC? :thinking: A concession to get the job?
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Lovie was hired because of the clusterfuck they had with their HC search. 2nd clusterfuck in 2 consecutive years BTW.

Also, I’m not defending Lovie. Never thought he would be much and I don’t believe his stay will last too much longer. But I’ll take his experience over somebody who has NONE eight days a week. Any of the other candidates last January, save for Hines Ward, would have been fine by me. Don’t know if any of them would have worked out in the end, but I’m not making a guy with ZERO experience at any level of coaching the head of my NFL football team.
 
leebigeztx said:
He didn't. He lied about who he was in Jacksonville. NE had a great culture because they were winning before he ever stepped foot in the building. How you go from character coach to negotiating contracts, to interim gm after getting Gaine fired. He was a snake and still a snake. I mean when he was speaking and stereotyping people is enough to know this dude is a snake.
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Who was he stereotyping? I haven't heard anything but him joking around a bit.
 
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