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thunderkyss said:
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No INTs but pretty pedestrian

I didn’t watch the game & haven’t seen any highlights yet.
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They ran it down the Chargers throat for 153 rushing yards. Plus Herbert wasn’t 100% so they couldn’t generate any offense. No running game either. Jax put up 38 points today and throwing 3 touchdowns shouldn’t be classified as pedestrian.
 
leebigeztx said:
fwiw, Lawrence looks like the best qb in division ,doesn't have a plethora of weapons either. The coach won a superbowl with a backup also. Its Jacksonville division ,but its early also.
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Adding Kirk and Engram to go along with Marvin Jones and the RB duo of Robinson/Etienne is above avg weapons. Look at the Texans skill position players if you want to see a trainwreck. Otherwise than Pierce there's no dynamic playmakers.
 
steelbtexan said:
Adding Kirk and Engram to go along with Marvin Jones and the RB duo of Robinson/Etienne is above avg weapons. Look at the Texans skill position players if you want to see a trainwreck. Otherwise than Pierce there's no dynamic playmakers.
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Texans kept Cooks and added Howard. They also drafted Pierce but kept Burkhead. Posting about what Jaguars added vs what the Texans have is a wash. The difference this year has been the qb and the coach, thats it, but in todays nfl, that's enough. Caserio could've easily had a better backfield from the draft and didn't address it, he brings back Burkhead.
 
leebigeztx said:
Texans kept Cooks and added Howard. They also drafted Pierce but kept Burkhead. Posting about what Jaguars added vs what the Texans have is a wash. The difference this year has been the qb and the coach, thats it, but in todays nfl, that's enough. Caserio could've easily had a better backfield from the draft and didn't address it, he brings back Burkhead.
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Lol exactly.
 
steelbtexan said:
Jimmy G playing like crap tonight.

Looks like what CnD told use about his shoulder surgery and losing accuracy is spot on. Hopefully Jimmy G can return to his old accurate self.
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Garoppolo's shoulder made him step out of the end zone? He's always got something wrong with him. That's why he's worthless as a starter. His talent level is that of a career backup.
zshawn10 said:
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That's not right, because Mills has 3 TDs and 2 INTs.
 
leebigeztx said:
Texans kept Cooks and added Howard. They also drafted Pierce but kept Burkhead. Posting about what Jaguars added vs what the Texans have is a wash. The difference this year has been the qb and the coach, thats it, but in todays nfl, that's enough. Caserio could've easily had a better backfield from the draft and didn't address it, he brings back Burkhead.
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I disagree with the 1st part, except for the coaching. Lawrence has improved some, but they're winning because they've given up 10 points in 2 games. I watched a little of that game yesterday and that defense is fast and plays with I'll intentions. We're going to find out Pederson is a really good HC.
 
Lucky said:
Garoppolo's shoulder made him step out of the end zone? He's always got something wrong with him. That's why he's worthless as a starter. His talent level is that of a career backup.

That's not right, because Mills has 3 TDs and 2 INTs.
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Those late playoff runs and SB were useless. He's good at playing hurt. The surgery has affected his performance as Doc predicted.
 
So I'm currently in Great Falls, Montana enjoying 75 degree temps and 45 degree dew points - eat your hearts out guys !
Magnificent Rocky Mountain Fall weather, dang if I can just catch a few trout !
Didn't get to see the game but looking at comments on the Board I see we've got the usually crowd of Waaaaaah ! cry babies because we lost another tough one, this time to the Bears and I gather in no small part to the pick by Mills at the end of the game.
Mills is only a third round invetsment, and it's still too soon to know for sure about him.
Talked to my wife back home yesterday and she said the D played well, and the stats I saw backed that.
Remember guys it's a long haul getting to respectability, and an even longer trip to contention.
I'm still all-in with those Texans !
 
Mills was crappy most of last year but was heading in the right direction end of year...now he's downright putrid. He's regressed by a lot. Why is a debate I'm willing to have. Pep? Offense doesn't fit? Lovie in his head? Maybe those last few games were a mirage and he's simply reverted to the mean?

I think everyone was hoping to see progression, even me, one of his biggest critics.

That said...In some sort of weird way I think it's better long term that he sucks so bad because it's now obvious to anyone with eyes, he's very likely not the answer.

I thought if he progressed, perhaps his ceiling was a Jimmy G, Cousins, Carson Wentz. To me, that's QB hell.

Good at times, but never good enough to win with consistently.

He's put his foot in the wet concrete at this point. It hasn't completely dried but it's close. If he doesn't turn it around sharply and quickly, that concrete will dry and the die will be cast. 2-4 weeks more and we'll know for sure.

It's pretty clear we'll be drafting in the top 5. We're grabbing Young, Levis, or Stroud. Heck at this point, I might say we're favorites for number 1. The Bears have 2 wins now. The Jags are actually relevant again under Pedersen. The Raiders have too much talent to not at least get to 5-6 wins. I'm not buying the 0-3 with them yet. Titans? Henry will get them 4-6 wins. Jets could be competition. I'm halving my original prediction of 6 wins. I'm now predicting 3 wins.
 
Porky said:
It's pretty clear we'll be drafting in the top 5. We're grabbing Young, Levis, or Stroud. Heck at this point, I might say we're favorites for number 1. The Bears have 2 wins now. The Jags are actually relevant again under Pedersen. The Raiders have too much talent to not at least get to 5-6 wins. I'm not buying the 0-3 with them yet. Titans? Henry will get them 4-6 wins. Jets could be competition. I'm halving my original prediction of 6 wins. I'm now predicting 3 wins.
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What's the point in grabbing a QB high when the overall talent on the team is so putrid? This team needs a couple more drafts of quality talent to have a chance to compete. QB is the last position that should be considered in round 1 or 2 in 2023. My opinion of course
 
JB said:
What's the point in grabbing a QB high when the overall talent on the team is so putrid? This team needs a couple more drafts of quality talent to have a chance to compete. QB is the last position that should be considered in round 1 or 2 in 2023. My opinion of course
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Valid opinion, but I disagree. QB's take some time to hit their stride in 95% of cases. Yes there are a few that light it up as rookies, but that's the exception. I want to groom a guy with the team so that as the team matures, so does he. But I am ok with waiting until 24 if necessary - I think it really depends on your (the team's) eval of the QB available talent where you're drafting vs. other positions vs. Mills/some other placeholder. The other consideration is will you be drafting that high in 24, and what would it cost you if you're not. Sometimes you have to take a bite of the apple when it's available.
 
Porky said:
Valid opinion, but I disagree. QB's take some time to hit their stride in 95% of cases. Yes there are a few that light it up as rookies, but that's the exception. I want to groom a guy with the team so that as the team matures, so does he. But I am ok with waiting until 24 if necessary - I think it really depends on your (the team's) eval of the QB available talent where you're drafting vs. other positions vs. Mills/some other placeholder. The other consideration is will you be drafting that high in 24, and what would it cost you if you're not. Sometimes you have to take a bite of the apple when it's available.
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I would agree with that if they really fell in love with 1 of the available QB's and were ok with him not being the answer year 1. Don't want to see a Fields/Lance/Darnold situation here
 
JB said:
What's the point in grabbing a QB high when the overall talent on the team is so putrid? This team needs a couple more drafts of quality talent to have a chance to compete. QB is the last position that should be considered in round 1 or 2 in 2023. My opinion of course
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Unless there's a Manning or Elway coming out and in the 2023 draft that guys not there. Yesterday's game put me even more in the dont draft an Ohio St. QB camp.
 
I don't give a rats ass if Mills is the answer or not, there's no point in putting a decent QB on this team yet. Who's he gonna throw to? Or protect his dumbass? I'd rather them wait until the 2024 draft before they push the panic button on a QB. In 2023 they need a frigging receiver, another RB and O-lineman before they need another QB.
 
Thorn said:
I don't give a rats ass if Mills is the answer or not, there's no point in putting a decent QB on this team yet. Who's he gonna throw to? Or protect his dumbass? I'd rather them wait until the 2024 draft before they push the panic button on a QB. In 2023 they need a frigging receiver, another RB and O-lineman before they need another QB.
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How many times must this organization put a QB behind a bad OL and the fans not learn what happens next?

The Texans do not have the luxury of drafting a college QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think Mills is trending up. By the end of the season we might not agree, but we’ll know the Texans aren’t looking to replace him.
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I'll NOT have what you're smoking. The odds of Mills being the unquestioned starter next year and considered the long-term answer in are about 1 in 50 and that's probably too generous.

Now could he start next year in a sort of place holder role - that's a bit more likely but still a longshot imo. He's shown absolutely nothing in his time here to make me think anyone wants him near an NFL stadium long term unless he's selling peanuts in the stands.

My money is on a new starter in 23. Not sure if it's a drafted rookie, an Allen (already on the roster), a vet off the trash heap, or a trade.
 
Porky said:
He's shown absolutely nothing in his time here to make me think anyone wants him
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If I were someone who never wanted him here to begin with (which I am) I'd agree with you. We're seeing what we want to see.

But if I were building a football team trying to develop a young QB, Mills is doing fine. Keep in mind, I tried to find something good in Osweiler when he was here.
 
Mr teX said:
I want to see weaponry & talent added THEN go get your qb of the future. In the history of the Texans, that's the only way we haven't done it. The teams currently dominating the league now..Bills, Rams, KC that is the way they did it.
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Off the top of my head, the Chiefs Oline is a turnstile.
They have a different guy or two come in every year.
None of the guys from Mahomes' rookie year (2017) or even from 2018 remain with the team.
 
Mr teX said:
I want to see weaponry & talent added THEN go get your qb of the future. In the history of the Texans, that's the only way we haven't done it. The teams currently dominating the league now..Bills, Rams, KC that is the way they did it.
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In Allen's second year, only one guy, the LT remained from 2018. They brought in four new guys.
Not all of them are still there.
 
thunderkyss said:
If I were someone who never wanted him here to begin with (which I am) I'd agree with you. We're seeing what we want to see.

But if I were building a football team trying to develop a young QB, Mills is doing fine. Keep in mind, I tried to find something good in Osweiler when he was here.
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The five guys with the Rams, whoever they were last year.
Three of them are now gone.
 
Porky said:
I'll NOT have what you're smoking. The odds of Mills being the unquestioned starter next year and considered the long-term answer in are about 1 in 50 and that's probably too generous.

Now could he start next year in a sort of place holder role - that's a bit more likely but still a longshot imo. He's shown absolutely nothing in his time here to make me think anyone wants him near an NFL stadium long term unless he's selling peanuts in the stands.

My money is on a new starter in 23. Not sure if it's a drafted rookie, an Allen (already on the roster), a vet off the trash heap, or a trade.
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I'm just hoping Caserio holds off until 2024 to draft his QB. Whether Mills is the QB long term or not.
 
76Texan said:
Off the top of my head, the Chiefs Oline is a turnstile.
They have a different guy or two come in every year.
None of the guys from Mahomes' rookie year (2017) or even from 2018 remain with the team.
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Your point is what?

That Mahomes got paid and now they lost some of their OL and Hill? If that's the point you're trying to make then I agree with you. BTW, Fisher got hurt and they were forced to move on from Brown. Trey Smith a 6th rd pick is an upgrade on the Chiefs OL.
 
76Texan said:
Do both.
Bring in a vet and let the young guy sit for a year.
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If Mills truly is the dismal failure that some here say, then they'll bring in a vet next year anyway. For several reasons, (1) to have an actual QB running the place, and (2) if he doesn't work out, then draft a QB in 2024 and hope for the best. I don't think it's in the Texans best interests to get both a vet and draft a QB high in the draft in 2023. Those two picks in the 1st and the (as yet) single 2nd round pick in 2023 should not be used on a QB IMO.
 
Thorn said:
If Mills truly is the dismal failure that some here say, then they'll bring in a vet next year anyway. For several reasons, (1) to have an actual QB running the place, and (2) if he doesn't work out, then draft a QB in 2024 and hope for the best. I don't think it's in the Texans best interests to get both a vet and draft a QB high in the draft in 2023. Those two picks in the 1st and the (as yet) single 2nd round pick in 2023 should not be used on a QB IMO.
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Not in this QB class. There's no Manning/Elway/Kelly in this class.
 
76Texan said:
In Allen's second year, only one guy, the LT remained from 2018. They brought in four new guys.
Not all of them are still there.
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pretty much the whole defense was there tho
76Texan said:
The five guys with the Rams, whoever they were last year.
Three of them are now gone.
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the Rams defense was stacked by the time Stafford got there.

To a lesser extent with the Bills the same thing. I know Poyer, Hyde and Milano were already there…..Tredavious White hot there the same year as allen.


My point is the talent levels on those teams was much higher than what the texans have now…even if those teams switched out some players from the time those qbs were brought aboard.
 
Mr teX said:
I want to see weaponry & talent added THEN go get your qb of the future. In the history of the Texans, that's the only way we haven't done it. The teams currently dominating the league now..Bills, Rams, KC that is the way they did it.
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The point you were trying to make here is that those teams were built by having talents first before they get their QBs, and it wasn't necessarily so.

Like I said, the Chiefs Oline were changing every year.
Their defense, too.
The only constant they had were Kelce and T Hill for awhile before Hill was gone.

The Rams were in "All-out" mode pretty much every year since McVay got there.
They went 11-5 his first year after a 4-12 season.
That offensive line-up doesn't remain the same; there have always been guys in and out, including the QB.

As for the Bills, the lone guy (who was on the team when Allen got drafted in 2018) that remains on their starting offensive line-up today is the LT Dawkins. And none of the weapons.
 
76Texan said:
The point you were trying to make here is that those teams were built by having talents first before they get their QBs, and it wasn't necessarily so.

Like I said, the Chiefs Oline were changing every year.
Their defense, too.
The only constant they had were Kelce and T Hill for awhile before Hill was gone.

The Rams were in "All-out" mode pretty much every year since McVay got there.
They went 11-5 his first year after a 4-12 season.
That offensive line-up doesn't remain the same; there have always been guys in and out, including the QB.

As for the Bills, the lone guy (who was on the team when Allen got drafted in 2018) that remains on their starting offensive line-up today is the LT Dawkins. And none of the weapons.
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But all 3 of those examples have a few things the Texans just don't have. Namely overall talent, depth and coaching
 
Mills had little experience prior to his rookie starts last year. Now last year’s experience is largely out the door because of a new offense this year. Exactly where should he be at this point? maybe he is what he is or maybe there is a learning curve he must transcend while wearing shackles? Perhaps this informs Pep’s way of coaching him? Obviously an over emphasis on no turnovers, while restricting him, is designed to not destroy his confidence early on. Our three game outcomes combined have been decided by 10 points. I’ll take that at this point because turnaround’s don’t go from zero to a hundred in three games. It’s actually quite amazing and refreshing to me that given some of the breakdowns we’ve had this team has been coached to keep them to a ten point difference. Maybe I guess I just see it differently.
 
Mills has started 14 games. There are 14 more on this year's schedule. Mill is getting a chance only a few 3rd rounders have received this early in his career. There are only 2 QBs drafted in the 3rd round or later in the past 2 decades that had 28 or more starts in their initial 2 seasons. Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott. What will Mills do with his chance?

If his play does not sharply improve over the rest of the season, I would not just hand Mills the job in 2023. I wouldn't cut him. But Mills will have to compete, even if the Texans don't find a QB in the upcoming draft. I noticed that Cooper Rush is a UFA this offseason. He could be a bridge QB whenever the Texans decide to pull the trigger on a 1st round QB.
 
JB said:
What's the point in grabbing a QB high when the overall talent on the team is so putrid? This team needs a couple more drafts of quality talent to have a chance to compete. QB is the last position that should be considered in round 1 or 2 in 2023. My opinion of course
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We do not go anywhere with competent QB play. If we had a semblance of that in any of these games, we honestly could be 3-0. There's no way we roll Mills out there again next year if he continues down this path. You take Stroud, Young, Levis, whoever it is if you aren't at one(then it's Anderson maybe.)
 
Texansballer74 said:
Wow I really don’t understand Texans fans on this forum. What in the bleep you mean you wouldn’t put a decent quarterback on this team yet? What kind of crazy talk is that and several members liked that outlandish comment. Lol smh
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Who‘s posts are you referring to but no doubt it is something Steel said. Only posts I notice are his references to the draft class. Doesn’t say anything about signing a vet. At this point in time who is the decent ”yet” QB to put on this team? What is your definition of “yet”? Today? Next year? What if they draft another Fields? People can have their opinion about a draft class but everyone wants a good QB. Like the wicked witch of the West said “these things must be done delicately”. Nothing is changing this year. Mills can make this team but he can’t break it. If he starts to jel we are ahead in the QB game. If not we move on. People complain that this team is too old but I believe it is too young. We’ve only had 1 & 1-1/2 drafts the last 2 years. These players are still growing together along with the one year necessary roster fillers. Age isn’t in years but in time playing together. For now Mills has to be a part of that because he potentially can make the biggest difference if it works. He has always said he’s more comfortable in a up tempo game and we’ve seen proof of that. I’m patient enough this year to see if Pep can dial it up more once he gets comfortable with his QB. “Yet” will happen in its proper place.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Wow I really don’t understand Texans fans on this forum. What in the bleep you mean you wouldn’t put a decent quarterback on this team yet? What kind of crazy talk is that and several members liked that outlandish comment. Lol smh
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This is why. That was effectively the beginning of the end for DW4 here..obviously there wound up being way more that would force him outta here but you get what i'm saying. AJ is also on record saying that one of his biggest mistakes in his career was staying in Houston instead of leaving when he had the chance to go elsewhere and win. Said he was of the mindset at the time that he wanted to "see it through".......I imagine JJ was the same way at some point before he asked for his release. What has been shown & proven is that money only holds these guys with you for so long. Evenutally these guys get frustrated and want to leave to go somewhere and win if things aren't happening the way they should. & QB's are the main guys that are starting this trend. Wilson, Stafford....Rodgers toyed with the idea for a split second....TB12 should've retired a pat. Bottom line, You don't want to bring in a talented guy that has proven to be your guy, then be unable to surround him with enough talent that he can't win with. He'll EVENTUALLY want out......or you'll have to pay him a boatload of money too soon that will hamper you from going out and getting playmakers on the FA market.........or you'll watch him get lured away or be convinced to leave b/c the franchise hasn't shown him they can get him playmakers.

Guy has to be convinced that he can win here & its in his best interest to want to stay. The best way to do that is to get him here with talent..& keep him surround with it as long as you can.
 
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Time after time players show up and impress, then the longer they are here the more they regress.
Either that or most of us fall for the hype?

Mills is just the latest. Maybe there really is an Astrodome curse on this team? Nah.

Does anyone on this forum really believe Lovie and Pep will accomplish anything here? I don't. Playing for the tie? :smiliepalm:
I've felt this way from the start. A political correctness coaching hire from the outset. Our ownership succumbed to the pressure.
Even Obrien admitted he needed to coach better. Has Lovie?

This franchise is being run by a eunuch. And no, I don't mean Caserio, he was hamstrung. Given the reins I believe he could clean up the mess.

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