The NFL outlawed the Oklahoma Drill" in the last couple years and I dunno is that still legal for some college programs ?
How about the "Forearm shiver" ? That was probably outlawed a long, long time ago ?
Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍
NFL Random Thought of the Day
- Thread starter Wolf
- Start date
How about the "Forearm shiver" ? That was probably outlawed a long, long time ago ?
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Irish offense looked eerily like it did when Tommy Rees was QB. 
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Boys are still trying to pound out a contract with Jason Peters.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I believe that although there was talk about banning the Oklahoma Drill in college programs, it is still permitted in college football AND in high school football.
Last edited:
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You giggle like a school girl about someone bringing it up, but when someone asks you about the facts of the subject all of a sudden it doesn’t matter.
Typical.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Week 1 will have 9 games featuring round 1 vs round 1 QBs.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Forearm shivers were used back when, commonly by olineman. But it isn't seen much anymore, partially because the defensive line doesn't stay put. They present a moving target and you have to be mobile to get your block. I've still seen LBs use the technique. I don't see that the move has been banned except when used to hit an opponents helmet/head.
Last edited:
OL's version of the DL head-slap that has been outlawed?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
List Of Undrafted Free Agents Who Made Team
Hundreds of undrafted free agents are signed to NFL rosters every year, and every year there are a handful who beat the odds to make the team and go on to contribute during the season.
nfltraderumors.co
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2527134/suhh.0.gif)
This is Ndamukong Suh delivering a forearm shiver to Josh McCown, classically placing the legal forearm/elbow hit to the chest..............then he carries the strike upwards to the head...............which earned a personal foul.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I'm not an OU fan. I had a couple of my classmates play ball there and they're recruiting my son as well as the other power 5 schools. I'm just saying that Vernnables is about business, all business. I've know Sark for awhile, he's a good dude, kinda odd, but a good dude. My son likes both, we're going to LSU on the 10. Phone has been going off since 1201 on 9.1 trying to get him in. I'm just along for the ride. Going to Cal Berkley soon.
Really, very interesting.
Awright, thanks C&D.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
This article is about Belichick and the Patriots. But you could easily extrapolate it to Lovie, Pep and the Texans. So far, the flavor of the day has been vanilla. Every fan is hoping for some pleasant surprise flavors on opening day.
*******************************************************************************************
Bill Belichick embraces the “$64,000 question” of opening day
Posted by Mike Florio on September 4, 2022, 4:38 PM EDT
We know that the Patriots will go to Miami five days before they face Dolphins. The Patriots won’t know what they’re getting from the Dolphins until the game starts.
That seems to be something New England coach Bill Belichick relishes.
“That’s the $64,000 question on everything,” Belichick told reporters on Sunday. “Opening day is opening day. Nobody is really showing much in preseason. The cards will be on the table on Sunday. Like every opening game, I’m sure we’ll have to make some adjustments. Once we see what they’re doing and vice versa. That’s always the way it is.
“So you have to leave room for a little bit of the unknown, things that they’ve been working on that they haven’t shown. Or things specifically game-planned for you that you’ve had trouble with at some point. They’ve had a lot of time to prepare for the game, several months, as have we. So there’s a big part of the unknown. I think all of that will clear up in the first two to three weeks of the season when teams settle into their style of play that they want to bank on. But right now that’s not necessarily known. Again, league-wide for playing time for a lot of the key players on every team is low, so it’s hard to tell how some of their players are going to be used but we know guys that they’re going to feature. We’ll have to see how it goes.”
Of course, the Dolphins will be dealing with the same challenge, as Belichick prepares to unleash whatever he’s got cooked up for Miami and the other teams on the schedule.
“I think there’s always an excitement for opening day and to get the season started,” Belichick said. “That brings a lot of different things into the conversation. It’s really just taking all the work that you’ve done in the offseason and training camp, as players, as a staff, everybody involved and now focusing on a single opponent, whatever that actually means. So you just direct it there and that rolls into a lot of different aspects, but it’s just to have a high performance on the one time a week we get an opportunity to compete and that’s what we’re all going to shoot to do. So I think we’re all ready for that opportunity and excited to have it be pretty close to being here. No different than any other year. There’s a training time period and then there’s a competition time period, and we’re heading into the competition time period. So it changes things a little bit in a good way.”
It changes things a lot in a great way for fans. Patriots at Dolphins is just one of nine games that will start next Sunday at 1:00 p.m. ET, when football is back with an explosion of excitement and activity.
Then, three hours later, fans of nine of those teams will be thrilled — and fans of the other nine teams will be upset.
*******************************************************************************************
Bill Belichick embraces the “$64,000 question” of opening day
Posted by Mike Florio on September 4, 2022, 4:38 PM EDT
We know that the Patriots will go to Miami five days before they face Dolphins. The Patriots won’t know what they’re getting from the Dolphins until the game starts.
That seems to be something New England coach Bill Belichick relishes.
“That’s the $64,000 question on everything,” Belichick told reporters on Sunday. “Opening day is opening day. Nobody is really showing much in preseason. The cards will be on the table on Sunday. Like every opening game, I’m sure we’ll have to make some adjustments. Once we see what they’re doing and vice versa. That’s always the way it is.
“So you have to leave room for a little bit of the unknown, things that they’ve been working on that they haven’t shown. Or things specifically game-planned for you that you’ve had trouble with at some point. They’ve had a lot of time to prepare for the game, several months, as have we. So there’s a big part of the unknown. I think all of that will clear up in the first two to three weeks of the season when teams settle into their style of play that they want to bank on. But right now that’s not necessarily known. Again, league-wide for playing time for a lot of the key players on every team is low, so it’s hard to tell how some of their players are going to be used but we know guys that they’re going to feature. We’ll have to see how it goes.”
Of course, the Dolphins will be dealing with the same challenge, as Belichick prepares to unleash whatever he’s got cooked up for Miami and the other teams on the schedule.
“I think there’s always an excitement for opening day and to get the season started,” Belichick said. “That brings a lot of different things into the conversation. It’s really just taking all the work that you’ve done in the offseason and training camp, as players, as a staff, everybody involved and now focusing on a single opponent, whatever that actually means. So you just direct it there and that rolls into a lot of different aspects, but it’s just to have a high performance on the one time a week we get an opportunity to compete and that’s what we’re all going to shoot to do. So I think we’re all ready for that opportunity and excited to have it be pretty close to being here. No different than any other year. There’s a training time period and then there’s a competition time period, and we’re heading into the competition time period. So it changes things a little bit in a good way.”
It changes things a lot in a great way for fans. Patriots at Dolphins is just one of nine games that will start next Sunday at 1:00 p.m. ET, when football is back with an explosion of excitement and activity.
Then, three hours later, fans of nine of those teams will be thrilled — and fans of the other nine teams will be upset.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Brian Flores Calls NFL Agreements “Unconscionable” & Roger Goodell Biased in Latest Court Filings Fighting Arbitration
Amy Dash |
Sep 1, 2022
Lawyers for Brian Flores filed papers in Manhattan federal court Wednesday, opposing the NFL’s attempt to move the former Miami Dolphins coach’s lawsuit against the NFL into arbitration. Flores, who is suing the league in a proposed class action suit, called the arbitration agreements he signed with the NFL “unconscionable” and Roger Goodell “obviously biased.” He also says that his claims against the Broncos, Giants, Texans and Dolphins are not covered by, and therefore outside of the scope of the arbitration agreement.
Flores and several other Black NFL coaches, including Panthers’ defensive passing game coordinator Steve Wilks and former defensive coordinator Ray Horton, are alleging racial bias by the league and singled out commissioner Roger Goodell in their latest arguments.
The lawyers representing Flores told the judge that the NFL is running an “unconscionably biased one-sided ‘kangaroo courts'” that could never fairly decide Flores’ dispute. They specifically said there was no way Goodell could be fair in overseeing and ruling on the dispute, which alleges that the league he governs engaged in systemic discrimination.
Goodell earns hundreds of millions of dollars from teams and has publicly stated that Flores’ suit is without merit, according to his lawyers. They also stated that Goodell’s salary, loyalty to team owners and the fact that he could be a witness in the case, all disqualify him from overseeing an arbitration. Flores wants his case to remain in court and be heard by a jury.
Flores was fired in January after serving as the Dolphins’ head coach. Flores filed a lawsuit soon after, alleging that he was fired due to discriminatory practices targeting not only him but other non-white coaches. He is now an assistant coach with the Pittsburgh Steelers as his case makes its way through the court system.
Back in June, lawyers for the NFL argued that the case should be kicked out of court because the coaches agreed in their contracts to bring their disputes with teams to arbitration.
Flores’ attorneys warned in their filings that allowing the case to go to arbitration, would “embolden employers to create manifestly unfair arbitrations with assurance that they will be approved by the courts.”
“If the Court compels arbitration, scores of employers following this case, and those who learn of it, will undoubtedly change their arbitration clauses to permit the appointment of an obviously biased decision-maker,” the lawyers said.
Several weeks ago, U.S. District Judge Valerie Caproni denied a request by Flores’ lawyers to gather evidence from the NFL through further discovery in order to argue that the case should not be forced into arbitration.
A ruling is expected soon.
Sep 1, 2022
Lawyers for Brian Flores filed papers in Manhattan federal court Wednesday, opposing the NFL’s attempt to move the former Miami Dolphins coach’s lawsuit against the NFL into arbitration. Flores, who is suing the league in a proposed class action suit, called the arbitration agreements he signed with the NFL “unconscionable” and Roger Goodell “obviously biased.” He also says that his claims against the Broncos, Giants, Texans and Dolphins are not covered by, and therefore outside of the scope of the arbitration agreement.
Flores and several other Black NFL coaches, including Panthers’ defensive passing game coordinator Steve Wilks and former defensive coordinator Ray Horton, are alleging racial bias by the league and singled out commissioner Roger Goodell in their latest arguments.
The lawyers representing Flores told the judge that the NFL is running an “unconscionably biased one-sided ‘kangaroo courts'” that could never fairly decide Flores’ dispute. They specifically said there was no way Goodell could be fair in overseeing and ruling on the dispute, which alleges that the league he governs engaged in systemic discrimination.
Goodell earns hundreds of millions of dollars from teams and has publicly stated that Flores’ suit is without merit, according to his lawyers. They also stated that Goodell’s salary, loyalty to team owners and the fact that he could be a witness in the case, all disqualify him from overseeing an arbitration. Flores wants his case to remain in court and be heard by a jury.
Flores was fired in January after serving as the Dolphins’ head coach. Flores filed a lawsuit soon after, alleging that he was fired due to discriminatory practices targeting not only him but other non-white coaches. He is now an assistant coach with the Pittsburgh Steelers as his case makes its way through the court system.
Back in June, lawyers for the NFL argued that the case should be kicked out of court because the coaches agreed in their contracts to bring their disputes with teams to arbitration.
Flores’ attorneys warned in their filings that allowing the case to go to arbitration, would “embolden employers to create manifestly unfair arbitrations with assurance that they will be approved by the courts.”
“If the Court compels arbitration, scores of employers following this case, and those who learn of it, will undoubtedly change their arbitration clauses to permit the appointment of an obviously biased decision-maker,” the lawyers said.
Several weeks ago, U.S. District Judge Valerie Caproni denied a request by Flores’ lawyers to gather evidence from the NFL through further discovery in order to argue that the case should not be forced into arbitration.
A ruling is expected soon.
Hope you and your son are making memories.
Good news.
How many people have been hurt really badly because of the Oklahoma drill?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
All the time
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Nobody does the the bull ring or oklahoma drill anymore. Kinda like very few whip their kids
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Jason Peters has been signed by the Cowboys...........to the PS.
Google can be your friend. I'm not here to lookup a bunch of BS.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
They're probably going to see how the rookie looks 1st. They did draft him to replace Smith. Smith has been avg and hurt since Zeke's 2nd year.
They have to see if Peters can stay healthy while getting in shape
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Probably he's on the PS because come the beginning of the regular season, he will not be guaranteed his salary.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Josh Gordon is back in our division............on the Titans PS. He should disrupt the team just enough to affect their mindset. This is his XXX chance? Maybe soon the Titans can convince Haslam that he needs another chance.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Wilson, who sustained a right knee bone bruise and meniscus tear, had arthroscopic trim of the his meniscus on the knee on Aug. 16 and hasn’t suited up for a practice since. Originally, he was expected to miss 2-4 weeks, a seemingly overoptimistic outlook. Today marks 3 weeks. Remember, this is the same knee that Wilson missed 4 weeks for a Grade II PCL tear. Saleh is pushing hard to get Wilson to play week 1. One week of back to practice before throwing him back into play would not be a smart move. If he tries to start, I don't see him lasting.......hopefully not for another injury.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
@CloakNNNdagger
www.nbcsports.com
Bosa sounds off on artificial turf being ‘problem' for NFL
49ers edge rusher Nick Bosa sounded off to Albert Breer of the MMQB on how the NFL needs to move away from artificial turf.
www.nbcsports.com
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Pittsburgh Steelers are retiring Franco Harris' No. 32 jersey at halftime of Week 16 game against Las Vegas Raiders.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It's a well-known fact that turf is very much associated with higher numbers of lower extremity injuries. Turf is much denser than natural grass and therefore affords greater traction which can be advantageous to many players. However, turf's advantage in that context is more than countered by the fact that it encourages feet to get caught it in...............with any twisting, sudden acceleration or deceleration, change of direction.........bad things happen to the ankles, knees, hips and back.@CloakNNNdagger
Bosa sounds off on artificial turf being ‘problem' for NFL
49ers edge rusher Nick Bosa sounded off to Albert Breer of the MMQB on how the NFL needs to move away from artificial turf.
But many owners are going to promote turf because it is immensely cheaper to install, maintain and replace. Too many of the grass fields are not maintained properly due to frequent maintenence costs. Owners are not able to entertain very many additional events (high school and college games, concerts, ets) unless they ignore grass conditions or shovel a great deal of additional monies into maintenance and replacement. It is self-evident that too many of the grass fields demonstrate less than acceptable upkeep.
Boris
All Pro
i wonder what the cost for properly maintained natural grass would be for a team like the Texans @ Reliant
are we talking greater than $10mil annually?
*according to this article from 2015
it cost the Texans $50k/yr to maintain a grass field @ Reliant...that sounds awfully low
Blog Archives
We're passionate about exploring the intersection of hospitality and technology. Find trends, innovations, and best practices shaping the future of hotels.
transcendent.ai
Last edited:
That was the crappy tray system in 2015i wonder what the cost for properly maintained natural grass would be for a team like the Texans @ Reliant
are we talking greater than $10mil annually?
*according to this article from 2015
it cost the Texans $50k/yr to maintain a grass field @ Reliant...that sounds awfully low
Blog Archives
We're passionate about exploring the intersection of hospitality and technology. Find trends, innovations, and best practices shaping the future of hotels.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Britt Reid scheduled to plead guilty to DWI charge
Posted by Josh Alper on September 6, 2022, 5:03 PM EDT
Former Chiefs assistant coach Britt Reid is set to plead guilty to driving while intoxicated to resolve a charge he faces as a result of a January 2021 car crash that severely injured a young girl.
Glenn E. Rice of the Kansas City Star reports that a court entry shows that Reid, who is the son of Chiefs head coach Andy Reid, is scheduled to enter the plea on Monday. His trial was slated to begin on September 26.
Reid struck two vehicles on a highway entrance ramp and left Ariel Young, who was five at the time, with a traumatic brain injury. Prosecutors say he had a blood alcohol content of 0.113 at the time of the crash.
“The five victims of this crime are relieved that the defendant has chosen to plead guilty and are hopeful that the defendant receives the maximum sentence allowed by law,” Tom Porto, an attorney for the victims, said.
Reid faces up to seven years in prison. The Chiefs reached an agreement with Young’s family last year to provide her with medical care and long-term financial stability.
****************************************************************************************************************************
It should be little wonder how Andy Reid's son has turned out if one knows anything about the family history.
Posted by Josh Alper on September 6, 2022, 5:03 PM EDT
Former Chiefs assistant coach Britt Reid is set to plead guilty to driving while intoxicated to resolve a charge he faces as a result of a January 2021 car crash that severely injured a young girl.
Glenn E. Rice of the Kansas City Star reports that a court entry shows that Reid, who is the son of Chiefs head coach Andy Reid, is scheduled to enter the plea on Monday. His trial was slated to begin on September 26.
Reid struck two vehicles on a highway entrance ramp and left Ariel Young, who was five at the time, with a traumatic brain injury. Prosecutors say he had a blood alcohol content of 0.113 at the time of the crash.
“The five victims of this crime are relieved that the defendant has chosen to plead guilty and are hopeful that the defendant receives the maximum sentence allowed by law,” Tom Porto, an attorney for the victims, said.
Reid faces up to seven years in prison. The Chiefs reached an agreement with Young’s family last year to provide her with medical care and long-term financial stability.
****************************************************************************************************************************
It should be little wonder how Andy Reid's son has turned out if one knows anything about the family history.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Broncos coach Nathaniel Hackett told reporters on today that Denver will use maximum fake crowd noise at practice in order to get ready for the "disruption" to come on Monday night in Seattle.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Phillip Lindsay has signed with the Colts PS.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
For those not aware of the irony of the situation that was not accidentally foreseen by the NFL in their scheduling............
LINK
So sorry when I heard. He was from Houston and graduated from Willowridge High in 1982. When he was still with the 49ers, he was inducted into the Willowridge Wall of Honor and brought an autographed Alex Smith jersey for the silent auction. It is on the wall in my sports memorabilia room. RIP
Texansballer74
The Marine
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Why did it take them 50 years to retire his number? That's a long time.. He could've passed without ever seeing the honor. He was one of the main pieces that created "Steelers football". Doesn't make sense to me.
However since they did wait 50 years.. what a date/opponent to do it on.Those old Steeler and Radier players genuinely hated each other.. apparently they still do.
Boris
All Pro
I'm likely drawing a massive dumb-dumb blindspot here, but how is it not accidentally foreseen?
Do you believe it's just total random chance that the Raiders and Steelers are scheduled to play that week?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Report: NFL will “absolutely” consider taking over discipline for misconduct in joint practices
Posted by Mike Florio on September 6, 2022, 7:18 PM EDT
In two days, Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald will play in a regular-season game two weeks after swinging helmets in a joint practice because, under current rules, the NFL can’t do anything about it.
That could change.
Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports that the league office will “absolutely” consider taking jurisdiction over discipline of players who engage in misconduct during joint practices. The league would implement the same system currently used for on-field discipline during games.
An unnamed source tells Maske that the issue is “already on the winter agenda,” a reference to the annual wave of offseason rule changes.
The potential change is indeed sparked by Donald’s behavior. The Rams handled the matter internally, and they’ve refused to disclose the punishment. (A moderately stern talking-to is a safe bet, possibly with the partial wag of a finger.)
It’s the right move, but it won’t be easy. The NFL Players Association undoubtedly will regard any such change as a mandatory subject of collective bargaining. While the NFLPA should want to ensure that its members are properly protected against misdeeds that go unpunished (and thus undeterred), the union can do exactly what the league would do in a situation like this — fold their arms and say, “What’s in it for us?”
Hopefully, that won’t happen in this case. Or maybe the league can find some other win-win that can be dangled as the quid pro quo for giving the league the ability to do what should have been done after Donald swung helmets on August 25.
Then again, if Donald knew he would potentially be suspended for doing it, maybe he wouldn’t have done it. That makes it all the more critical for the NFL and NFLPA to agree to this much-needed change.
Posted by Mike Florio on September 6, 2022, 7:18 PM EDT
In two days, Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald will play in a regular-season game two weeks after swinging helmets in a joint practice because, under current rules, the NFL can’t do anything about it.
That could change.
Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports that the league office will “absolutely” consider taking jurisdiction over discipline of players who engage in misconduct during joint practices. The league would implement the same system currently used for on-field discipline during games.
An unnamed source tells Maske that the issue is “already on the winter agenda,” a reference to the annual wave of offseason rule changes.
The potential change is indeed sparked by Donald’s behavior. The Rams handled the matter internally, and they’ve refused to disclose the punishment. (A moderately stern talking-to is a safe bet, possibly with the partial wag of a finger.)
It’s the right move, but it won’t be easy. The NFL Players Association undoubtedly will regard any such change as a mandatory subject of collective bargaining. While the NFLPA should want to ensure that its members are properly protected against misdeeds that go unpunished (and thus undeterred), the union can do exactly what the league would do in a situation like this — fold their arms and say, “What’s in it for us?”
Hopefully, that won’t happen in this case. Or maybe the league can find some other win-win that can be dangled as the quid pro quo for giving the league the ability to do what should have been done after Donald swung helmets on August 25.
Then again, if Donald knew he would potentially be suspended for doing it, maybe he wouldn’t have done it. That makes it all the more critical for the NFL and NFLPA to agree to this much-needed change.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
If the union doesn't see fit to protect it's members then screw em.
It's on film, sue each other for assault.
It's on film, sue each other for assault.
schedule wasn't made before this season... I'm not saying they manipulated the schedule to arrange the week 16 meeting, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that they took advantage of the chance
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
jj Watt has not practiced since last week. He has suffered a calf tear and has be said to be day-to-day.This is essentially after missing preseason with COVID test. As predicted, with his injury history, he is unlikely to stay healthy anymore.