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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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badboy
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Perhaps he uses Tide hypo allergenic?
Boris
All Pro
Florio reading different tea leaves than some of our members. Hope he's wrong & underestimating the judge's notions on DW4's actions. Blown away that some can see 0 suspensions coming.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
Thus, while Tuesday night’s leak of a supposed willingness by the league to not appeal the decision if it lands within the range of a six- or eight-game suspension could be aimed at nudging Judge Robinson from making an unappealable decision that no discipline should be imposed, it’s also possible the league realizes that overturning her decision to impose six or eight games without a good reason for doing so amounts to jumping with both feet into a bear trap of litigation.
Deshaun Watson case could be headed to court, eventually
Despite failed efforts by the NFL Players Association to challenge discipline imposed by the NFL on Tom Brady and Ezekiel Elliott in court, the current effort to impose discipline on Deshaun Watson could ultimately be challenged, too.
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Texian
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I'm simply guessing that the purpose of Watson using the Houstonian was to impress and as part of his sinister plan to seduce the unsuspecting masseuse.
TheRealJoker
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Watson may be an idiot but he’s not dumb enough to let the families of his many victims know where he lives.
TexansBull
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It seems to me that this is a potential chance to look beyond the Wizard of Oz and it's marketing machine to see the old fat man behind the curtain.
They can push whatever image they want via promotional campaigns, but their actions and business practices reveal them to be either incompetent or accomplices (or a bit of both).
These owners are barely a step above the Haslams when taking a bigger picture perspective of everything.
If there is dirt, I hope it is revealed and they are held accountable. Our society needs to stop elevating the filthy rich above the laws and responsibilities of average people.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
That's what we figured when we talked yesterday.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
To the NFL. I hope they let the hate flow through them. Stay angry.
Axisbuck24
Practice Squad
Plus he has a girlfriend as he stated in his deposition.
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Carr Bombed
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Reminds me of the show Dexter.. The Houstonian Hotel room was basically Watson's "kill room" he set up to carry out his crimes.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Florio and Breer are better connected to the nfl as a whole than probably anyone on this board. They go to league meetings and all the other league stuff. Nobody knows, its just alot of speculation. It should surprise nobody whatever the suspension is. It could be 6-8, I'm thinking 12, but it could be 1 year provided he gets counseling and does the other speaking engagements that would aim at some kind of slogan. Everyone wants to be right first it seems. Whatever the punishment, somebody is going to be pissed off its too long or too short. There is no sweet spot in regards to this punishment.Florio reading different tea leaves than some of our members. Hope he's wrong & underestimating the judge's notions on DW4's actions. Blown away that some can see 0 suspensions coming.
Thus, while Tuesday night’s leak of a supposed willingness by the league to not appeal the decision if it lands within the range of a six- or eight-game suspension could be aimed at nudging Judge Robinson from making an unappealable decision that no discipline should be imposed, it’s also possible the league realizes that overturning her decision to impose six or eight games without a good reason for doing so amounts to jumping with both feet into a bear trap of litigation.Deshaun Watson case could be headed to court, eventually
Despite failed efforts by the NFL Players Association to challenge discipline imposed by the NFL on Tom Brady and Ezekiel Elliott in court, the current effort to impose discipline on Deshaun Watson could ultimately be challenged, too.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Robinson will have to deliberate after the hearing is over (which should be over by Friday).........timeline up to her. But if there is an appeal, the final suspension and fine decision may take another several weeks.
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badboy
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But the initial decision will be made known correct and then if there is an appeal we will be notified? The decision will not be kept in house and the public be told a decision was made but an appeal has been made.
CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
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Nothing in the CBA says that any step of the decision procedure need be made public. In the past, prior to a Disciplinary Officer being involved, the initial decision has been released (prior to appeal). With the introduction of the Disciplinary Officer in the equation, she may order no public announcement until appeals are complete, and final decision made. Of course, leaks cannot be entirely accounted for.
badboy
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That was my concern and I definitely understand no Public Announcement until appeals are completed but that could take some time. I just want it to be over as I'm sure everybody does.
CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
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Per Florio just now:
It’s unclear how much longer the hearing will last. That’s because no one is saying much of anything about the situation, undoubtedly at the direct instruction and mandate of Judge Sue L. Robinson.
CloakNNNdagger
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From the Chronicle:
NFL insists on indefinite suspension at Deshaun Watson hearing
ROB MAADDI, AP Pro Football Writer
June 29, 2022
The NFL and Deshaun Watson’s legal team presented their arguments before a disciplinary officer for a second day Wednesday, with both sides holding firm as the hearing is scheduled to continue in Delaware on Thursday.
The league is insisting on an indefinite suspension and Watson’s side is arguing there’s no basis for a punishment that significant, two people in attendance told The Associated Press. Both people spoke on condition of anonymity because the hearing isn’t public.
Former U.S. District Judge Sue Robinson, who was jointly appointed by the league and the NFL Players’ Association, is tasked with determining whether Watson violated the NFL’s personal conduct policy and whether to impose discipline.
If either the union or league appeals Robinson’s decision, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell or his designee “will issue a written decision that will constitute full, final and complete disposition of the dispute,” per terms of Article 46 in the collective bargaining agreement.
Watson agreed to settle 20 of 24 civil lawsui
NFL insists on indefinite suspension at Deshaun Watson hearing
ROB MAADDI, AP Pro Football Writer
June 29, 2022
The NFL and Deshaun Watson’s legal team presented their arguments before a disciplinary officer for a second day Wednesday, with both sides holding firm as the hearing is scheduled to continue in Delaware on Thursday.
The league is insisting on an indefinite suspension and Watson’s side is arguing there’s no basis for a punishment that significant, two people in attendance told The Associated Press. Both people spoke on condition of anonymity because the hearing isn’t public.
Former U.S. District Judge Sue Robinson, who was jointly appointed by the league and the NFL Players’ Association, is tasked with determining whether Watson violated the NFL’s personal conduct policy and whether to impose discipline.
If either the union or league appeals Robinson’s decision, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell or his designee “will issue a written decision that will constitute full, final and complete disposition of the dispute,” per terms of Article 46 in the collective bargaining agreement.
Watson agreed to settle 20 of 24 civil lawsui
Dejaview
All Pro
Yeah, average people are all saints.
Dejaview
All Pro
Right. A masseuse going to Watson’s room in the Houstonian would only think it was for tea and biscuits.
badboy
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TexansBull
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You may have broken the case wide open. Here is a thought -
What if Watson thought by asking for deep tissue massage in his hotel room was code that the masseuses would stick a finger in his butt and the masseuses should know that? Deep tissue massage means to stick a finger in his butt and engage in sexual acts.
And what if the masseuses showed up not knowing that was a thing and just thought it was a deep tissue massage which is what they actually get paid to do.
That’s what happened. A big misunderstanding with 60 plus massage therapists because Watson was just going for those inexperienced ones trying to give them a break. 60 plus inexperienced massage therapists on his multi-million dollar generating athletic body.
And because he has sensitive skin he brought his own towel from home.
And he didn’t want to be a bother and wanted to help the masseuses so he got naked.
And he couldn’t control his erection.
And couldn’t help but hump a table leaving a “wet spot.”
That’s it. All big misunderstanding.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Wouldn't want 66 women knowing where he lived. Especially after abusing them.
Lawsuit Against Texans Reveals Six More Women Could File Lawsuits Against Deshaun Watson
Read “Lawsuit Against Texans Reveals Six More Women Could File Lawsuits Against Deshaun Watson ” and other NFL articles from Total Pro Sports.www.totalprosports.com
From June 21 ....
Carr Bombed
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Not bad at all.Carr Bombed
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At this point I don't know who got a bigger deep tissue massage, Deshaun Watson or the Cleveland Browns for trading for him. 
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Watson starting his elaborate dance of seduction must be like when women encounter Butthead:
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CloakNNNdagger
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Agent’s Take: Deshaun Watson’s potential suspension carries various financial consequences
Sports / By admin
A key step in resolving Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson’s 2022 season playing status is taking place. A disciplinary hearing to determine if Watson is violated the NFL’s policy of personal conduct the behavior began on Tuesday.
Watson has faced 24 civil lawsuits for alleged sexual misconduct during massage sessions held while he was with the Houston Texans. Twenty out of 24 cases were settled last week. Two grand juries in Texas have refused to file a criminal complaint against Watson, who denied any crime, earlier this year.
Retired U.S. District Court Judge Sue L. Robinson, who was jointly appointed by the NFL and NFLPA, is leading the hearing. The procedure is expected to take several days.
Procedurally, the NFL was required to notify Robinson, Watson, and the NFLPA of its recommended discipline at least 10 days prior to the hearing, under the NFL Collective Agreement. There are several reports that the NFL is looking for indefinite suspension lasting at least one year. Talks between the NFL and NFLPA / Watson prior to the hearing did not lead to a settlement.
There is no set schedule for Robinson to make a decision. Ideally, a verdict will be handed down before the Browns open training camp on July 27th. A finding that there is no policy violation, which does not seem likely, would be the final solution to the case.
Both parties have three working days to appeal in the event of disciplinary action. Commissioner Roger Goodell or someone he appoints as his nominee would preside over the appeal, with the freedom to increase, decrease or confirm Robinson’s sentence.
Signing bonus revocation / cancellation of guarantees
Whether Watson gets a one-year suspension or is allowed to play football this season, the $ 44.965 million bonus in a fully guaranteed five-year, $ 230 million contract he signed in March as part of his trade with the Texans is not compromised because the way which contract is structured. Watson’s salary guarantees will not be revoked in either case.
This is due to the specific language in Watson’s contract. The relevant sign-up bonus language is as follows.
“… a suspension by the NFL solely in respect of items disclosed to the club in writing in accordance with paragraph 42, resulting in the inaccessibility of the club’s players only for games during the 2022 or 2023 NFL years will not subject the Player to a forfeiture of the bonus for signature. “
Without this language, the Browns would be entitled to ask Watson for an $ 8.993 million signing bonus attributed to the 2022 salary cap with a one-year suspension. That would be one-eighteenth of the $ 8.993 million signing bonus attributed to the 2022 pay limit for each week of the 18-week regular season that Watson missed with a shorter suspension. For example, a suspension of eight games would give the Browns a chance to recoup $ 3,996,889 (or an eighteenth of $ 8,993 million) from Watson.
Technically, Watson did not receive any signature bonus. Fifteen million is due on July 31. Another $ 15 million is due on January 31, and the final $ 14.965 million will be paid on March 31 next. Wage deferrals do not affect the exemption.
Suspensions are without salary, but that refers to the basic salary. Since Watson’s base salary for 2022 is $ 1.035 million, he will lose $ 57,500 (or one-eighteenth of $ 1.035 million) for each week he misses due to the suspension.
The appropriate language that protects Watson’s warranties from cancellation is below.
“… this shall not constitute a failure or refusal to train or play with the club and the player will not be left behind if: … (iii) the player is suspended solely in respect of matters disclosed to the Club in writing in accordance with paragraph 42, resulting in the unavailability of players for the club only for games during the 2022 or 2023 NFL years. “
The language is significant because it prevents Browns from potentially leaving the contract without major consequences for the restriction due to misconduct that was known before the trade. Probably any additional allegations regarding massage sessions while Watson was with the Texans would not qualify as a new offense.
In other words, the Browns can’t get out of the deal because of the accusations stemming from the massages. Practically speaking, the Browns would not have done so even if it had been possible after giving up the peaks in the first round of 2022, 2023 and 2024, the peak of the fourth round in 2022, the third round in 2023 and the fourth round in 2024 to win Watson and the sixth round round 2024.
These restrictions apply to the first two years of the contract. Should there be any discipline regarding these matters after 2023, the Browns will have the right to seek a refund for the signature from Watson and / or cancel the remaining guarantees in the contract.
Consequences of a one-year suspension
The biggest consequence of the one-year suspension is Watson’s contract, which currently runs until 2026. In essence, Watson’s contract would be frozen and resumed in 2023 with toll collection. This means that his contract year 2022 would become his contract year 2023, and additional contract years would also be moved back a year. Instead of Watson’s contract expiring after the 2026 season, he would terminate after the 2027 season.
Although the contract would have been postponed for a year, the proportion of the signing bonus of $ 8.993 million per year from 2022 to 2026 would remain intact. Watson’s salary limit for 2022 is 10.028 million dollars, and it consists of 8.993 million dollars, the proportion of the bonus on the salary and his basic salary of 1.035 million dollars. This basic salary would come out of the Cleveland books for 1.035 million dollars to reduce the limit for 2022.
Watson’s maximum number for 2023 would rise to $ 10.028 million with his base salary for 2022 moving to 2023 and his base salary of $ 46 million from 2023 shifted to 2024. Maximum numbers for 2024 to 2026 each would amount to $ 54,993 million, and the base would consist of a sign with $ 94 million8. bonus proration. The maximum number for 2027 would be 46 million dollars of the basic salary, which was originally for 2026.
Consequences of a shorter suspension
Another important consequence of the one-year suspension would be Watson’s expulsion from the training camp. That would not be the case with a suspension that would allow him to play football in 2022. Watson would be allowed to participate fully in training camp and play in the Browns ’preseason games. The suspension would not take effect until September 5, which is the day after the end of the pre-season training camps, as defined by the CBA.
Watson’s contract does not include a suspension where he will be able to play football in 2022. His contract will run as planned, which means that his contract will be terminated after the 2026 season. Watson would lose any basic salary not earned due to suspension. For example, a suspension of eight games would cost Watson $ 460,000 (or an eighteenth of $ 1,035 million) because he earns $ 57,500 each of the 18 weeks in the regular season.
Watson will be allowed to return to the team premises and participate in limited activities during the second half of the suspension. Permitted activities would be virtually the same as players suspended under the NFL’s substance abuse and performance improvement policies.
Most importantly, Watson could attend team meetings, practice individually with Browns strength and fitness coach, meet individually with Browns head coach Kevin Stefansky, offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt and quarterback coach Drew Petzing, and receive treatment / rehabilitation from medical staff and Browns coaches after a fourth game suspension of eight games. Prohibited activities during the entire suspension include attending, observing or participating in training, attending home or away matches, attending or participating in group training.
Sports / By admin
A key step in resolving Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson’s 2022 season playing status is taking place. A disciplinary hearing to determine if Watson is violated the NFL’s policy of personal conduct the behavior began on Tuesday.
Watson has faced 24 civil lawsuits for alleged sexual misconduct during massage sessions held while he was with the Houston Texans. Twenty out of 24 cases were settled last week. Two grand juries in Texas have refused to file a criminal complaint against Watson, who denied any crime, earlier this year.
Retired U.S. District Court Judge Sue L. Robinson, who was jointly appointed by the NFL and NFLPA, is leading the hearing. The procedure is expected to take several days.
Procedurally, the NFL was required to notify Robinson, Watson, and the NFLPA of its recommended discipline at least 10 days prior to the hearing, under the NFL Collective Agreement. There are several reports that the NFL is looking for indefinite suspension lasting at least one year. Talks between the NFL and NFLPA / Watson prior to the hearing did not lead to a settlement.
There is no set schedule for Robinson to make a decision. Ideally, a verdict will be handed down before the Browns open training camp on July 27th. A finding that there is no policy violation, which does not seem likely, would be the final solution to the case.
Both parties have three working days to appeal in the event of disciplinary action. Commissioner Roger Goodell or someone he appoints as his nominee would preside over the appeal, with the freedom to increase, decrease or confirm Robinson’s sentence.
Signing bonus revocation / cancellation of guarantees
Whether Watson gets a one-year suspension or is allowed to play football this season, the $ 44.965 million bonus in a fully guaranteed five-year, $ 230 million contract he signed in March as part of his trade with the Texans is not compromised because the way which contract is structured. Watson’s salary guarantees will not be revoked in either case.
This is due to the specific language in Watson’s contract. The relevant sign-up bonus language is as follows.
“… a suspension by the NFL solely in respect of items disclosed to the club in writing in accordance with paragraph 42, resulting in the inaccessibility of the club’s players only for games during the 2022 or 2023 NFL years will not subject the Player to a forfeiture of the bonus for signature. “
Without this language, the Browns would be entitled to ask Watson for an $ 8.993 million signing bonus attributed to the 2022 salary cap with a one-year suspension. That would be one-eighteenth of the $ 8.993 million signing bonus attributed to the 2022 pay limit for each week of the 18-week regular season that Watson missed with a shorter suspension. For example, a suspension of eight games would give the Browns a chance to recoup $ 3,996,889 (or an eighteenth of $ 8,993 million) from Watson.
Technically, Watson did not receive any signature bonus. Fifteen million is due on July 31. Another $ 15 million is due on January 31, and the final $ 14.965 million will be paid on March 31 next. Wage deferrals do not affect the exemption.
Suspensions are without salary, but that refers to the basic salary. Since Watson’s base salary for 2022 is $ 1.035 million, he will lose $ 57,500 (or one-eighteenth of $ 1.035 million) for each week he misses due to the suspension.
The appropriate language that protects Watson’s warranties from cancellation is below.
“… this shall not constitute a failure or refusal to train or play with the club and the player will not be left behind if: … (iii) the player is suspended solely in respect of matters disclosed to the Club in writing in accordance with paragraph 42, resulting in the unavailability of players for the club only for games during the 2022 or 2023 NFL years. “
The language is significant because it prevents Browns from potentially leaving the contract without major consequences for the restriction due to misconduct that was known before the trade. Probably any additional allegations regarding massage sessions while Watson was with the Texans would not qualify as a new offense.
In other words, the Browns can’t get out of the deal because of the accusations stemming from the massages. Practically speaking, the Browns would not have done so even if it had been possible after giving up the peaks in the first round of 2022, 2023 and 2024, the peak of the fourth round in 2022, the third round in 2023 and the fourth round in 2024 to win Watson and the sixth round round 2024.
These restrictions apply to the first two years of the contract. Should there be any discipline regarding these matters after 2023, the Browns will have the right to seek a refund for the signature from Watson and / or cancel the remaining guarantees in the contract.
Consequences of a one-year suspension
The biggest consequence of the one-year suspension is Watson’s contract, which currently runs until 2026. In essence, Watson’s contract would be frozen and resumed in 2023 with toll collection. This means that his contract year 2022 would become his contract year 2023, and additional contract years would also be moved back a year. Instead of Watson’s contract expiring after the 2026 season, he would terminate after the 2027 season.
Although the contract would have been postponed for a year, the proportion of the signing bonus of $ 8.993 million per year from 2022 to 2026 would remain intact. Watson’s salary limit for 2022 is 10.028 million dollars, and it consists of 8.993 million dollars, the proportion of the bonus on the salary and his basic salary of 1.035 million dollars. This basic salary would come out of the Cleveland books for 1.035 million dollars to reduce the limit for 2022.
Watson’s maximum number for 2023 would rise to $ 10.028 million with his base salary for 2022 moving to 2023 and his base salary of $ 46 million from 2023 shifted to 2024. Maximum numbers for 2024 to 2026 each would amount to $ 54,993 million, and the base would consist of a sign with $ 94 million8. bonus proration. The maximum number for 2027 would be 46 million dollars of the basic salary, which was originally for 2026.
Consequences of a shorter suspension
Another important consequence of the one-year suspension would be Watson’s expulsion from the training camp. That would not be the case with a suspension that would allow him to play football in 2022. Watson would be allowed to participate fully in training camp and play in the Browns ’preseason games. The suspension would not take effect until September 5, which is the day after the end of the pre-season training camps, as defined by the CBA.
Watson’s contract does not include a suspension where he will be able to play football in 2022. His contract will run as planned, which means that his contract will be terminated after the 2026 season. Watson would lose any basic salary not earned due to suspension. For example, a suspension of eight games would cost Watson $ 460,000 (or an eighteenth of $ 1,035 million) because he earns $ 57,500 each of the 18 weeks in the regular season.
Watson will be allowed to return to the team premises and participate in limited activities during the second half of the suspension. Permitted activities would be virtually the same as players suspended under the NFL’s substance abuse and performance improvement policies.
Most importantly, Watson could attend team meetings, practice individually with Browns strength and fitness coach, meet individually with Browns head coach Kevin Stefansky, offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt and quarterback coach Drew Petzing, and receive treatment / rehabilitation from medical staff and Browns coaches after a fourth game suspension of eight games. Prohibited activities during the entire suspension include attending, observing or participating in training, attending home or away matches, attending or participating in group training.
I'm not in the hearing (just like everyone else here). But I get the feeling from reports that the NFL is taking the wrong tack by arguing Watson's behavior in the massage sessions. Despite the sentiment among many here, that will be a tough call with no physical evidence and no police reports at the time of the incidents. What can't be argued by Watson or the NFLPA is the multiple violations of the NFL COVID policies. Teams lost draft picks for violating these policies. Watson was beyond flagrant in his abuse of these policies. To be honest, the Texans should be punished by the league if they knew Watson was violating COVID policies. I can see a year's suspension alone for breaking COVID protocols numerous times.Florio reading different tea leaves than some of our members. Hope he's wrong & underestimating the judge's notions on DW4's actions. Blown away that some can see 0 suspensions coming.
Thus, while Tuesday night’s leak of a supposed willingness by the league to not appeal the decision if it lands within the range of a six- or eight-game suspension could be aimed at nudging Judge Robinson from making an unappealable decision that no discipline should be imposed, it’s also possible the league realizes that overturning her decision to impose six or eight games without a good reason for doing so amounts to jumping with both feet into a bear trap of litigation.Deshaun Watson case could be headed to court, eventually
Despite failed efforts by the NFL Players Association to challenge discipline imposed by the NFL on Tom Brady and Ezekiel Elliott in court, the current effort to impose discipline on Deshaun Watson could ultimately be challenged, too.
No physical evidence? There’s text messages, depositions, cash payments. There’s text messages of him asking for his rectum to be massaged. There are text messages of not only him apologizing, but asking more than one woman “are you okay?”There’s text messages of him asking for no one else to be around (which is dangerous btw). They are not wrong to argue his behavior, because by policy it is in there that not only if you tarnish the name of the NFL, if you put anyone else in danger because of your actions that constitutes a violation as well.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Here’s a proposed deal to resolve the Deshaun Watson case
As the third day of the Deshaun Watson hearing begins, with no information regarding the evidence or the arguments making their way to the media, the process continues toward a decision from Judge Sue L. Robinson. Now or at any time before that happens, the two sides could reach a deal on an...
Florio’s article.
The way I read it is proposing the year he sat out be treated as a suspension. Watson return the money to the Texans and still sit out 8 games in 2022. As Florio put it - the year he sat out should count for something.
Wrong. He purposely sat out demanding a trade. That’s on him.
Watson - If I remember correctly demanded a trade prior to Buzbee bringing forward the sexual assault cases.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I’m surprised nobody in the media has brought up the Covid angle. Other players were demonized for just one known violation by sports media.
I believe @CloakNNNdagger brought this up very early. No, breaking COVID protocol is not as heinous as sexual assault. But it's much more provable, and there are no extenuating circumstances as to why Watson would need to break protocal.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You could argue both points successfully.
There are consequences for your actions and decisions. End of story.
That is why I don’t know why this is taking so long.
True. But the Texans were not going to allow Watson to play last year with the investigation by the DA office still ongoing. There was no way Watson would ever be on the field last season. Still, that wasn't a league directive, and I don't see how an agreement between the Texans and Watson plays into the suspension.
Watson still got paid with no fines and full cap hit and counted against the roster the entire year
All of that plays in a civil suit where witnesses can be called, and a jury can decide on the preponderance of this type of evidence. That's not enough to convict Watson criminally, nor should it be enough for an indefinite suspension. It's not like Judge Robinson will hear from these witnesses directly. It's still a "he said, she said case".