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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

JB said:
Watson still got paid with no fines and full cap hit and counted against the roster the entire year
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Right, and the Texans and Watson both agreed to that. The NFL was not involved and never ruled that Watson could not suit up for games.
 
Lucky said:
True. But the Texans were not going to allow Watson to play last year with the investigation by the DA office still ongoing. There was no way Watson would ever be on the field last season. Still, that wasn't a league directive, and I don't see how an agreement between the Texans and Watson plays into the suspension.
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Watson went publicly first that he wasn’t going to play for the Texans. He wouldn’t return calls. He said the Texans were insensitive to social justice, wore Atlanta Falcons gear out publicly, didn’t like the Texans didn’t hire Eric Bieniemy, and wouldn’t talk to Caserio or Easterby. Which he liked Easterby when he go him that room at the Houstonian…

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I agree the Texans wouldn’t have let him play. But Watson tipped his hand first publicly.
 
JB said:
Watson still got paid with no fines and full cap hit and counted against the roster the entire year
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If I’m David Culley i’m suing the NFL if they consider last season as a suspension. He surely could’ve fielded a more competitive team had he not had to carry the predator and his cap hit on the roster all season.
 
Lucky said:
All of that plays in a civil suit where witnesses can be called, and a jury can decide on the preponderance of this type of evidence. That's not enough to convict Watson criminally, nor should it be enough for an indefinite suspension. It's not like Judge Robinson will hear from these witnesses directly. It's still a "he said, she said case".
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It’s a he said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said case btw.

To get an indefinite suspension doesn’t mean you have to have a criminal conviction.
 
Lucky said:
All of that plays in a civil suit where witnesses can be called, and a jury can decide on the preponderance of this type of evidence. That's not enough to convict Watson criminally, nor should it be enough for an indefinite suspension. It's not like Judge Robinson will hear from these witnesses directly. It's still a "he said, she said case".
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There's more than enough to suspend indefinitely.. criminal court is a different animal, but the league doesn't have to wait on something to happen there to suspend him indefinitely.
 
Lucky said:
All of that plays in a civil suit where witnesses can be called, and a jury can decide on the preponderance of this type of evidence. That's not enough to convict Watson criminally, nor should it be enough for an indefinite suspension. It's not like Judge Robinson will hear from these witnesses directly. It's still a "he said, she said case".
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It’s a workplace violation. It absolutely can support an indefinite suspension. The allegations themselves are enough and the women have been deemed credible by the police.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Agent’s Take: Deshaun Watson’s potential suspension carries various financial consequences
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A key step in resolving Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson’s 2022 season playing status is taking place. A disciplinary hearing to determine if Watson is violated the NFL’s policy of personal conduct the behavior began on Tuesday.
Watson has faced 24 civil lawsuits for alleged sexual misconduct during massage sessions held while he was with the Houston Texans. Twenty out of 24 cases were settled last week. Two grand juries in Texas have refused to file a criminal complaint against Watson, who denied any crime, earlier this year.

Retired U.S. District Court Judge Sue L. Robinson, who was jointly appointed by the NFL and NFLPA, is leading the hearing. The procedure is expected to take several days.
Procedurally, the NFL was required to notify Robinson, Watson, and the NFLPA of its recommended discipline at least 10 days prior to the hearing, under the NFL Collective Agreement. There are several reports that the NFL is looking for indefinite suspension lasting at least one year. Talks between the NFL and NFLPA / Watson prior to the hearing did not lead to a settlement.

There is no set schedule for Robinson to make a decision. Ideally, a verdict will be handed down before the Browns open training camp on July 27th. A finding that there is no policy violation, which does not seem likely, would be the final solution to the case.

Both parties have three working days to appeal in the event of disciplinary action. Commissioner Roger Goodell or someone he appoints as his nominee would preside over the appeal, with the freedom to increase, decrease or confirm Robinson’s sentence.

Signing bonus revocation / cancellation of guarantees

Whether Watson gets a one-year suspension or is allowed to play football this season, the $ 44.965 million bonus in a fully guaranteed five-year, $ 230 million contract he signed in March as part of his trade with the Texans is not compromised because the way which contract is structured. Watson’s salary guarantees will not be revoked in either case.

This is due to the specific language in Watson’s contract. The relevant sign-up bonus language is as follows.

“… a suspension by the NFL solely in respect of items disclosed to the club in writing in accordance with paragraph 42, resulting in the inaccessibility of the club’s players only for games during the 2022 or 2023 NFL years will not subject the Player to a forfeiture of the bonus for signature. “

Without this language, the Browns would be entitled to ask Watson for an $ 8.993 million signing bonus attributed to the 2022 salary cap with a one-year suspension. That would be one-eighteenth of the $ 8.993 million signing bonus attributed to the 2022 pay limit for each week of the 18-week regular season that Watson missed with a shorter suspension. For example, a suspension of eight games would give the Browns a chance to recoup $ 3,996,889 (or an eighteenth of $ 8,993 million) from Watson.

Technically, Watson did not receive any signature bonus. Fifteen million is due on July 31. Another $ 15 million is due on January 31, and the final $ 14.965 million will be paid on March 31 next. Wage deferrals do not affect the exemption.

Suspensions are without salary, but that refers to the basic salary. Since Watson’s base salary for 2022 is $ 1.035 million, he will lose $ 57,500 (or one-eighteenth of $ 1.035 million) for each week he misses due to the suspension.
The appropriate language that protects Watson’s warranties from cancellation is below.

“… this shall not constitute a failure or refusal to train or play with the club and the player will not be left behind if: … (iii) the player is suspended solely in respect of matters disclosed to the Club in writing in accordance with paragraph 42, resulting in the unavailability of players for the club only for games during the 2022 or 2023 NFL years. “

The language is significant because it prevents Browns from potentially leaving the contract without major consequences for the restriction due to misconduct that was known before the trade. Probably any additional allegations regarding massage sessions while Watson was with the Texans would not qualify as a new offense.

In other words, the Browns can’t get out of the deal because of the accusations stemming from the massages. Practically speaking, the Browns would not have done so even if it had been possible after giving up the peaks in the first round of 2022, 2023 and 2024, the peak of the fourth round in 2022, the third round in 2023 and the fourth round in 2024 to win Watson and the sixth round round 2024.

These restrictions apply to the first two years of the contract. Should there be any discipline regarding these matters after 2023, the Browns will have the right to seek a refund for the signature from Watson and / or cancel the remaining guarantees in the contract.

Consequences of a one-year suspension

The biggest consequence of the one-year suspension is Watson’s contract, which currently runs until 2026. In essence, Watson’s contract would be frozen and resumed in 2023 with toll collection. This means that his contract year 2022 would become his contract year 2023, and additional contract years would also be moved back a year. Instead of Watson’s contract expiring after the 2026 season, he would terminate after the 2027 season.

Although the contract would have been postponed for a year, the proportion of the signing bonus of $ 8.993 million per year from 2022 to 2026 would remain intact. Watson’s salary limit for 2022 is 10.028 million dollars, and it consists of 8.993 million dollars, the proportion of the bonus on the salary and his basic salary of 1.035 million dollars. This basic salary would come out of the Cleveland books for 1.035 million dollars to reduce the limit for 2022.

Watson’s maximum number for 2023 would rise to $ 10.028 million with his base salary for 2022 moving to 2023 and his base salary of $ 46 million from 2023 shifted to 2024. Maximum numbers for 2024 to 2026 each would amount to $ 54,993 million, and the base would consist of a sign with $ 94 million8. bonus proration. The maximum number for 2027 would be 46 million dollars of the basic salary, which was originally for 2026.

Consequences of a shorter suspension

Another important consequence of the one-year suspension would be Watson’s expulsion from the training camp. That would not be the case with a suspension that would allow him to play football in 2022. Watson would be allowed to participate fully in training camp and play in the Browns ’preseason games. The suspension would not take effect until September 5, which is the day after the end of the pre-season training camps, as defined by the CBA.

Watson’s contract does not include a suspension where he will be able to play football in 2022. His contract will run as planned, which means that his contract will be terminated after the 2026 season. Watson would lose any basic salary not earned due to suspension. For example, a suspension of eight games would cost Watson $ 460,000 (or an eighteenth of $ 1,035 million) because he earns $ 57,500 each of the 18 weeks in the regular season.

Watson will be allowed to return to the team premises and participate in limited activities during the second half of the suspension. Permitted activities would be virtually the same as players suspended under the NFL’s substance abuse and performance improvement policies.

Most importantly, Watson could attend team meetings, practice individually with Browns strength and fitness coach, meet individually with Browns head coach Kevin Stefansky, offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt and quarterback coach Drew Petzing, and receive treatment / rehabilitation from medical staff and Browns coaches after a fourth game suspension of eight games. Prohibited activities during the entire suspension include attending, observing or participating in training, attending home or away matches, attending or participating in group training.
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I consider this a poke in the NFL's eyes and would think that Rodger Goodell backed by the 31 other owners would be really PO'd and will retaliate as strongly as possible to keep this from being a precedent setting contract. My continued hope is that he is eliminated from playing in the NFL and the Browns have to eat his contract. Those four lawsuits and the possibility of six new ones has got to be a serious concern of the NFL and Sue robinson.
 
How does Easterby continue to skate unscathed. He’s like Teflon Don, continues to be a corrupt, toxic stain on the Texans and the entire city of Houston, but he’s sitting on a throne asking the hired help to refill his earl grey tea. This ownership group ie Cal and Mama, has to be the most clueless duo in the history of mankind. Pathetic losers. They need to be run out of town on a rail.
 
TexansBull said:
sports.yahoo.com

Here’s a proposed deal to resolve the Deshaun Watson case

As the third day of the Deshaun Watson hearing begins, with no information regarding the evidence or the arguments making their way to the media, the process continues toward a decision from Judge Sue L. Robinson. Now or at any time before that happens, the two sides could reach a deal on an...
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Florio’s article.

The way I read it is proposing the year he sat out be treated as a suspension. Watson return the money to the Texans and still sit out 8 games in 2022. As Florio put it - the year he sat out should count for something.

Wrong. He purposely sat out demanding a trade. That’s on him.

Watson - If I remember correctly demanded a trade prior to Buzbee bringing forward the sexual assault cases.
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No to that deal as Bull says 2021 benching had nothing to do with anything but contract. IMO DW needs 1 year suspension for upheaval caused getting extension then demanding trade and getting Hopkins traded. I know, but that's my belief. He needs four year suspension for the devious [NFL will call it] manipulation of contract with Cleveland. Yes, Browns should be stuck with costs of GTD $ for making owners look stupid (I'm not suggesting they are not). After that he should be suspended indefinitely pending results of the 4 lawsuits and possible 6 others. I cannot imagine that the NFL wants W ever to step foot on the field again. Yes Rodger Goodell needs to say he is making an example of Watson and then say that he will determine the NFL owners such as Snyder as each case is investigated and when evidence appears. This is his chance to make up for past snafus.
 
Lucky said:
They could have fined Watson, not paid his salary, and his contract would not have tolled for 2021.
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They could have fined him.

I've been told guaranteed money is escrowed & out of the Texans hands when I suggested they at least threaten to not pay him.

The contract doesn't toll unless the NFL puts him on the CEL, which they didn't.
 
Lucky said:
All of that plays in a civil suit where witnesses can be called, and a jury can decide on the preponderance of this type of evidence. That's not enough to convict Watson criminally, nor should it be enough for an indefinite suspension. It's not like Judge Robinson will hear from these witnesses directly. It's still a "he said, she said case".
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His settling 20 cases is pretty much admitting he knew he did something wrong any why I believe the NFL waited to end their investigation.
 
Deshaun Watson's 4 active civil lawsuits revealed after 20 settled

The four cases that remain active are:

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A woman who accused Watson of sexual assault at a Houston spa in August 2020 when she said he asked her to perform oral sex on him and tried to push her head down to his genitals. Her lawsuit states he applied pressure to her upper body to prevent her from being released from his restraint and masturbated in front of her.

In a previous encounter that year, her lawsuit states he groped her. But she took him again as a client in August 2020 because she didn't realize it was him after he gave a false identity on the first occasion stating he was "an entertainer," according to her lawsuit.

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Another remaining plaintiff is Lauren Baxley, one of the first two women who came forward publicly by name to accuse Watson of misconduct in 2021. She is a licensed massage therapist who said Watson exposed himself to her and caused his genitals to touch her in June 2020. Watson’s attorneys noted Baxley responded to Watson’s messages 19 times after their encounter, suggesting she wasn’t troubled by whatever happened between them.

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A third active plaintiff is a woman who said Watson came to her mother’s house for a massage in Manvel, Texas, more than a 30-minute drive south of Houston. He came to that house with his own personal towel and a non-disclosure agreement for her to sign, according to Watson’s recent deposition testimony. Her lawsuit stated he exposed himself and ejaculated on her in her second encounter with him in November 2020.

A grand jury in Brazoria County, Texas, declined to indict Watson in this case after the woman testified there. A Houston police detective who investigated 10 criminal complaints against Watson still said this woman’s case was one of the strongest.

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The fourth remaining plaintiff is Ashley Solis, the first plaintiff to sue Watson in March 2021 and the first to come forward publicly. Baker said in her deposition “the strongest suit to me was Ashley Solis.”
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CloakNNNdagger said:
It would not be that easy if he feigned injury.
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I've said this before, its a better look for the Texans if he faked and injury vs just being passive aggressive. Just like the Tunsil situation except one guy is a qb. They could've set down demands of participation and play vs the charade they let him put on.
 
Porky said:
How does Easterby continue to skate unscathed. He’s like Teflon Don, continues to be a corrupt, toxic stain on the Texans and the entire city of Houston, but he’s sitting on a throne asking the hired help to refill his earl grey tea. This ownership group ie Cal and Mama, has to be the most clueless duo in the history of mankind. Pathetic losers. They need to be run out of town on a rail.
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He's brainwashed the McNairs into his little personality cult. They were dumb enough to give Bill O'Brien the GM job after an epic playoff choke, dumb enough to give Watson that contract without due diligence, and it should be no surprise that they would be dumb (and gullible) enough to believe Jack's pied piper BS.

Easterby is here for the long haul. He's ingrained himself into the Houston Texans front office now.
 
Double Barrel said:
He's brainwashed the McNairs into his little personality cult. They were dumb enough to give Bill O'Brien the GM job after an epic playoff choke, dumb enough to give Watson that contract without due diligence, and it should be no surprise that they would be dumb (and gullible) enough to believe Jack's pied piper BS.

Easterby is here for the long haul. He's ingrained himself into the Houston Texans front office now.
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I have said this from the jump. The Easterby knows too much to just be thrown out. He knows where the bodies are. He will serve out his contract and then be gone.

His handling of the Houstonian makes me more certain that’s the case.
 
TexansBull said:
I have said this from the jump. The Easterby knows too much to just be thrown out. He knows where the bodies are. He will serve out his contract and then be gone.

His handling of the Houstonian makes me more certain that’s the case.
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“I’d like the Easterby special, thank you”

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Deshaun Watson's four active lawsuits revealed after dismissal notices filed in court

A look at the four pending lawsuits against Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson after dismissal notices were filed in 20 other cases.
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Information in here about the four remaining lawsuits:

From the article:

A woman who accused Watson of sexual assault at a Houston spa in August 2020 when she said he asked her to perform oral sex on him and tried to push her head down to his genitals. Her lawsuit states he applied pressure to her upper body to prevent her from being released from his restraint and masturbated in front of her.

In a previous encounter that year, her lawsuit states he groped her. But she took him again as a client in August 2020 because she didn't realize it was him after he gave a false identity on the first occasion stating he was "an entertainer," according to her lawsuit.[/quote ]
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profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Deshaun Watson hearing concludes, after three days

The Deshaun Watson hearing is over.
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The Deshaun Watson hearing is over.

Three days of testimony and argument have concluded. Per a source with knowledge of the proceedings, some relevant information appears below.

First, the NFL interviewed 12 women who are making allegations against the Browns quarterback. Five cases became the focal point of the league’s presentation.

Second, the NFL’s case included no evidence that Watson engaged in violence, made threats, applied coercion, or used force.

Third, the NFL admitted that the punishment it seeks (an indefinite suspension of at least one year) is unprecedented.

Fourth, as to the argument that any punishment imposed on Watson must be proportional to punishment imposed on owners who may have violated the Personal Conduct Policy, the NFL admitted that its director of security investigated the allegations of solicitation made against Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and that no punishment was imposed.

Based on those points, the NFL Players Association will push for no discipline of Watson. Judge Robinson will issue a decision, eventually.

If the decision is criticized as being too lenient, the league will try to take cover in the notion that it attempted to secure a significant punishment. If any discipline is imposed at all, the league will have the right to appeal the decision to the Commissioner.
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Porky said:
Someone help me because math was always my worst subject. I realize this is the era of new math, but since when did indefinite come to mean one year? I might use that in my next marriage. I will love you indefinitely…
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You lost me at next marriage.

One and done buddy. Never again.

“Fool me once - shame on me. Fool me twice - well - shame on me again.”

Authored by George W Bush.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Not sure what is funny about sexual assault allegations. I do question some of the leadership on this board, but I will give you the actual link to what I am talking about.
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You posted an 8 page document. Quote the relevant section you are referring to.
JB said:
His settling 20 cases is pretty much admitting he knew he did something wrong any why I believe the NFL waited to end their investigation.
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It would seems so. But legally, settling a lawsuit does not presume guilt. That is not something in of itself the NFL can point to.
 
Carr Bombed said:
There's more than enough to suspend indefinitely.. criminal court is a different animal, but the league doesn't have to wait on something to happen there to suspend him indefinitely.
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This is more than enough by itself to get him suspended indefinitely:

[PERSONAL CONDUCT POLICY] Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the NFL.

For ~15 months, Watson's issues have continually marred the perceived integrity of and public confidence in the NFL. And there is no end really in sight.
 
TexansBull said:
“Fool me once - shame on me. Fool me twice - well - shame on me again.”

Authored by George W Bush.
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“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

― George W. Bush
 
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