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thunderkyss said:
I've never seen anything definitive on this. Just unnamed sources.

John McClain said BO'b wanted Hoyer. BO'b picked Osweiler. BO'b wanted Savage.

At least McClain puts his name on it.
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BOB did want Hoyer

BOB wanted Jimmy G according to media reports. He settled for Savage after RS screwed that up.

BOB told RS to get him a QB after the Hoyerable debacle. RS came up with OS and BOB signed off on this without even RS/BOB talking to Os in person.

Total dysfunction, I'm so glad those days are in the past.
 
steelbtexan said:
BOB wanted Jimmy G according to media reports. He settled for Savage after RS screwed that up.
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Actually, BO’b said there wasn’t much difference between the QBs in that draft.

I’ve never seen one report saying BO’b wanted Garoppolo. I’ve seen guys saying Garoppolo is BO’bs type, but that was just speculation. Same with Mahomes.

The rumor was the Texans considered Savage at 33

The on-again, off-again Tom Savage hype came full circle in Round 4 of the 2014 NFL draft, when he landed with the Houston Texans -- the team rumored to be interested in him as high up as No. 33 overall
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Savage had been projected as possibility to the Texans with the first pick of the second round. Houston passed there, but there clearly was interest from new head coach Bill O'Brien
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  • Fox disputes reporting regarding Tom Brady’s contract
    Posted by Mike Florio on May 10, 2022, 10:47 PM EDT


    A couple of companies owned by Rupert Murdoch apparently are at odds over the specifics of Tom Brady‘s broadcasting deal with Fox.

    Andrew Marchand of the New York Post, a publication owned by Murdoch’s News Corp., reported on Tuesday that Fox will pay Brady $375 million on a 10-year deal that commences when he retires from playing football. Via Marchand, a Fox spokesman has generally taken issue with the accuracy of the reporting regarding Brady’s deal.




    “What has been reported isn’t an accurate description of the deal and we have not released details beyond what was disclosed on our quarterly earnings call,” Fox corporate spokesman Brian Nick said.
    Although Marchand points out that Nick didn’t specify the inaccuracy, three guesses don’t seem to be needed. Or two.

    The only details reported about the Brady deal were the duration and value. Thus, if Fox says what’s been reported isn’t an accurate description of the deal, the statement necessarily is disputing Marchand’s reporting.
    Marchand writes that his sources have reiterated the details he reported. The bigger point is that a pair of Murdoch-owned companies aren’t on the same page about the dollars to be paid to Murdoch’s newest employee, eventually.
 
steelbtexan said:
BOB did want Hoyer

BOB wanted Jimmy G according to media reports. He settled for Savage after RS screwed that up.

BOB told RS to get him a QB after the Hoyerable debacle. RS came up with OS and BOB signed off on this without even RS/BOB talking to Os in person.

Total dysfunction, I'm so glad those days are in the past.
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I'm in no way trying to apologize for RS and BOB because they were bidding against themselves, but there is some context that is left out when we talk about the OS signing. There were reasons why they didn't meet with OS and they were aware of the potential ramifications. The Texans simply took a gamble, played by the rules, tried to be aggressive and sign OS before the Broncos and got burnt.

"Currently, there is a 52-hour window—two days and four hours—in which agents and teams can talk about a free-agent player’s services. But the player himself can have no contact with anyone from a team other than the one he just played for, until the free-agent market opens."

"But it’s not as if the Texans brass were being reckless with such a critical decision. It’s that league rules forbid any direct contact between a player and a prospective team before the official opening of free agency."

"O’Brien did as much fact-finding as he could on Osweiler. He watched tape of every game Osweiler played in Denver. He grilled Osweiler’s college coordinator, Noah Mazzone, who loved Osweiler. He paid attention to the impressive game Osweiler played against New England on a Sunday night in crunch time. He was sold, and told owner Bob McNair and GM Rick Smith he really wanted Osweiler. Smith did the deal, and three hours before the market opened, Osweiler sent word to agent Jimmy Sexton that he was picking Houston. Sexton then called the Texans."

NFL rule banning free agents from meeting teams needs to change - Sports Illustrated
 
Earl34 said:
I'm in no way trying to apologize for RS and BOB because they were bidding against themselves, but there is some context that is left out when we talk about the OS signing. There were reasons why they didn't meet with OS and they were aware of the potential ramifications. The Texans simply took a gamble, played by the rules, tried to be aggressive and sign OS before the Broncos and got burnt.

"Currently, there is a 52-hour window—two days and four hours—in which agents and teams can talk about a free-agent player’s services. But the player himself can have no contact with anyone from a team other than the one he just played for, until the free-agent market opens."

"But it’s not as if the Texans brass were being reckless with such a critical decision. It’s that league rules forbid any direct contact between a player and a prospective team before the official opening of free agency."

"O’Brien did as much fact-finding as he could on Osweiler. He watched tape of every game Osweiler played in Denver. He grilled Osweiler’s college coordinator, Noah Mazzone, who loved Osweiler. He paid attention to the impressive game Osweiler played against New England on a Sunday night in crunch time. He was sold, and told owner Bob McNair and GM Rick Smith he really wanted Osweiler. Smith did the deal, and three hours before the market opened, Osweiler sent word to agent Jimmy Sexton that he was picking Houston. Sexton then called the Texans."

NFL rule banning free agents from meeting teams needs to change - Sports Illustrated
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Then why was it reported that BOB said he only worked with the players RS gave him. I took that as saying signing Os wasn't his idea.
 
steelbtexan said:
Then why was it reported that BOB said he only worked with the players RS gave him. I took that as saying signing Os wasn't his idea.
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That was after the fact & BO'b found out he couldn't get along with Osweiller, or any of the other people he brought in. The guy was toxic.

But if you look at everything BO'b said before Osweiller actually got to Houston, he was very much in on bringing Osweiller to Houston.
 
thunderkyss said:
That was after the fact & BO'b found out he couldn't get along with Osweiller, or any of the other people he brought in. The guy was toxic.

But if you look at everything BO'b said before Osweiller actually got to Houston, he was very much in on bringing Osweiller to Houston.
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Told you exactly what he said after the fact. Believe what you want, I'm certainly not going to change your mind.

Of course when RS signed Os what was BOB supposed to say.

I've heard that after the 1st practice of 2 a days that BOB was like, this was a mistake. Os was woefully inaccurate.
 
Patriots great Gino Cappelletti dies at 89
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 12, 2022, 3:49 PM EDT
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an original member of the Boston Patriots and one of the greatest players in the history of the American Football League, has died at the age of 89.

A wide receiver, defensive back and kicker, played all 10 of the AFL’s seasons before it merged with the NFL, and never missed a game in those 10 seasons. With 1,100 points scored, he was the leading scorer in the history of the AFL, and in 1964 he was named the AFL’s Most Valuable Player.

Despite a good college career as a quarterback at Minnesota, Cappelletti wasn’t chosen in the 1955 NFL draft, and he then joined the U.S. Army and played some minor league football, and he easily could have never had a professional football career.

But when the AFL came along, Cappelletti tried out for the Patriots, and he made an immediate impact. At first, he played on defense, and his efforts included a three-interception game as a rookie. After his first season he switched over to offense, and over the course of his career he caught 292 passes for 4,589 yards and five touchdowns.

All the while, Cappelletti was one of the best kickers in football, leading the AFL in field goals three times. He retired after the 1970 season.

Upon retirement, Cappelletti worked in broadcasting, and the was the Patriots’ radio commentator for seven years before a three-year stint as the Patriots’ special teams coach. He then returned to the broadcast booth before retiring in 2012.

“My heart aches after learning of Gino Cappelletti’s passing this morning,” Patriots owner Robert Kraft said. “For the first 51 years of this franchise’s history, Gino contributed as an all-star player, assistant coach and broadcaster. You couldn’t be a Patriots fan during that era and not be a fan of Gino’s. The Patriots have had many iconic, fan-favorite players over the years. Gino was the first. I remember watching him play in 1960 and throughout his career. He was one of the AFL’s biggest stars, becoming the first Patriots player to earn league MVP honors and retiring as the league’s all-time leading scorer. He became the second player in franchise history to earn Patriots Hall of Fame induction and I will always believe he deserves to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.”


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Goodbye to an all-time great! RIP.
 
Random thought. When did speculating about the NFL schedule become a thing? It feels like a media driven agenda to manufacture NFL news.

We can't wait a couple of days for the official schedule to be release? We need speculation about opening day? Really? Exactly what is the point?
 
Earl34 said:
Random thought. When did speculating about the NFL schedule become a thing? It feels like a media driven agenda to manufacture NFL news.

We can't wait a couple of days for the official schedule to be release? We need speculation about opening day? Really? Exactly what is the point?
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As if the sleeze known as the NFL couldn't sink lower...............

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St. Louis lawsuit exhibits expose that Rams and NFL lied about planned L.A. move
May 13, 2022, 8:10 PM EDT


It doesn’t take a smoking gun to cause a reasonable person to conclude that the Rams and the NFL lied repeatedly about the planned relocation from St. Louis to Los Angeles. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch found one anyone.

Or more than one.


The publication fought to get access to court exhibits that the league wanted to expunge. It’s obvious why the league didn’t want these documents to see the light of day. They expose that the league and its teams lie when they think need to. It’s not personal, it’s just business.

For example, the exhibits obtained by the Post-Dispatch confirm that the Rams and the league knew that owner Stan Kroenke purchased the Hollywood Park racetrack in Inglewood with the specific plan to build a stadium there. He wanted to hide that information. The NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell participated in the lie.
It was strategic, but it was still a lie. Which confirms that they indeed will lie whenever they think it meshes with their broader objectives.

The most clear example comes from the lies told by Goodell at his pre-Super Bowl press conference in early 2014. The Rams crafted, with the help of the league office, a false narrative regarding the property Kroenke had purchased. And Goodell helped affirmatively push that false narrative.

“We’re going to try very hard to stay under the radar screen and nobody will know we bought it,” Kroenke told Goodell after buying the land in Inglewood. “We’ll stay hidden, which is what we want, for as long as we can.”
Per the report, the Rams and the league office collaborated at least twice on crafting public statements aimed at concealing Kroenke’s intentions. The goal was obvious. In March 2014, Kroenke and his partner in the land deal in Inglewood discussed the goal of keeping the plan to move the Rams there secret in order “to maximize 2014 ticket sales by avoiding any unnecessary publicity about the possible departure of the Rams.”

For its part, the league office deliberately tried to play dumb about Kroene’s plan. Former NFL executive Eric Grubman, for example, argued against asking Kroenke directly about his plans for the property. “If we do, it is harder to play dunce,” Grubman wrote in an email in January 2014. “If we don’t we will not have his side.”
The league also advised the Rams to stay out of the story, deferring to Kroenke’s real-estate company. The Rams complied.

“As real estate developers, the Kroenke Organizations are involved in numerous real estate deals across the country and North America,” the Kroenke Group eventually said in a statement at the time. “We have yet to decide what we are going to do with the property.”

Rams COO Kevin Demoff told the same lie internally. “Our focus will remain 100% on putting the best team on the field for St. Louis in 2014 and beyond,” he wrote in email to team employees after a story broke that Kroenke planned to move the Rams to his new property in L.A.

Then came Goodell, who lied about Kroenke’s plans at the pre-Super Bowl press conference. “Stan is a very large developer on a global basis,” Goodell said. “He has land throughout the country and throughout the world. There are no plans, to my knowledge, of a stadium development.”

Those who follow the league closely aren’t surprised. Those who have read Playmakers are even less surprised. They lie. Pretty much every big company does, whenever it feels like the interests of the business require it.

It’s sad. But it’s true. And it really doesn’t have to be that way. Then again, liars don’t just roll out of bed one day and start lying. It becomes a habit, a way of life, a means to each and every end they want. They do it once, it works, so they keep doing it.

Indeed, years ago Kevin Demoff’s father, Marvin, told me regarding something another reporter had done, “You only lose your integrity once.” The good news, apparently, is once you’ve lost your integrity, you don’t have to worry about losing it anymore.
 
NFL's "honesty" just keeps coming into play.

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Key hearing in Jon Gruden’s lawsuit against NFL set for May 25
May 14, 2022, 7:54 PM EDT

The wheels of justice often move more slowly than molasses down a frozen sliding board.
The lawsuit filed last year by former Raiders coach Jon Gruden against the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell remains mired in a preliminary skirmish over whether it will be heard in open court or in the secret, rigged kangaroo court of the Commish.


Via ESPN.com, the hearing on the question of whether the case should be dismissed or forced into the league’s internal arbitration process will happen on May 25.

Gruden sued in early November, just a few weeks after the leak of emails he sent before being hired by the Raiders to former Washington president Bruce Allen forced him out as the head coach in Las Vegas. Nearly six months after the filing of the lawsuit, the court will be taking up the NFL’s threshold Hail Mary aimed at stacking the deck against Gruden.

It’s still not known who leaked the emails. If the case is forced into arbitration, we may never know. The universe of people with access to those emails was very small.

Gruden alleges that Goodell leaked them in order to force the Raiders to push Gruden out. Some think Washington owner Dan Snyder did it, as revenge for the punishment imposed on him as a result of attorney Beth Wilkinson’s 10-month investigation that would have resulted in a recommendation that he be forced to sell the team, if the league had bothered to ask for a recommendation in writing.

Eventually, the presiding judge will put a decision in writing as to whether Gruden will be able to proceed in a real court or must proceed in the NFL’s secret rigged kangaroo facsimile. That decision will go a long way toward determining whether Gruden prevails — and whether the rest of us ever find out the truth as to how the emails ended up being leaked to select media with the goal of forcing Gruden to step down during the 2021 season.

This isn’t about whether Gruden should have avoided accountability for his emails. This is about whether accountability will be avoided for weaponizing supposedly secret documents with the goal of taking Gruden out. It’s possible that Gruden both did something for which he deserved to be fired and didn’t deserve to be treated the way that he was.
 
This is God'ells NFL.

And fans dont think they're past rigging games, when it's been proven they do what's best for business. Integrity be damned
 
if you believe Al Davis, Rozelle had a plant in the jury in his first suit vs the NFL. Rigging a court of law. I’d put nothing past them…why I almost always side with the players.

meanwhile in Vegas…
www.nytimes.com

The Disarray and ‘Stone Age’ Dysfunction of the Las Vegas Raiders

Former employees described an N.F.L. franchise bedeviled by executive departures, poor financial management, unpaid electric bills and a raft of firings, payouts and N.D.A.s.
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The Las Vegas Raiders have been rocked by a mass exodus of front office leaders amid dire management blunders like overpaying taxes and underpaying certain employees for years.
The latest upheaval came last week with the ouster of the team’s interim team president. That executive, Dan Ventrelle, responded by accusing the owner, Mark Davis, whose family has run the team for more than 50 years, of creating a hostile work environment, without giving specifics.
It was one of many examples of a workplace racked by years of dysfunction, and the latest sign of an N.F.L. franchise with troubled inner workings. Since the Raiders moved to Las Vegas from Oakland, Calif., in 2020, with high hopes in a growing market, six of the team’s eight top executives have quit or been fired with little explanation, either publicly or internally.
In interviews with The New York Times, more than a dozen former employees, some of whom spoke on condition of anonymity because they signed agreements with the team prohibiting them from discussing their employment publicly, described numerous problems large and small. There were, they said, lax controls over how money was spent and how people were paid and even the bungling of the payment of its taxes over several years. Not long after its move, the team missed a payment for the electric bill in its temporary office, forcing the lights to be shut off.
Nobody has asserted the financial disorder amounts to any crimes, but erroneous information on company ledgers can generally lead to problems with creditors, regulators, the league and others.
Employees who raised concerns over the team’s operations were often ignored or pushed out and given settlements and nondisclosure agreements to keep them quiet.
“If anyone complained, they were let go,” said Nicole Adams, who worked in the human resources department for almost five years. She was pushed out in late 2020 and declined to sign a severance agreement that she said would have prevented her from speaking about her tenure at the team. She said that Ventrelle, then the team’s general counsel, “joked he would be ready to settle if anyone came forward with a charge.”
 
Double Barrel said:
This is the billionaire's club NFL. Goodell is just their current lap dog.
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Agreed

But why wasn't it this way under Rozelle and Tags?

They stood up to multi millionaires in their day.

Bottom line is Godell is bad for the league. Tags may or may not have lied.But I liked him alot, he stood up for what was best for the football and the league.

God'ell sold his soul along time.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Agreed

But why wasn't it this way under Rozelle and Tags?

They stood up to multi millionaires in their day.

Bottom line is Godell is bad for the league. Tags may or may not have lied.Bur I liked him alot, he stood up for what was best for the football and the league.

God'ell sold his sole along time.
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You say he's bad for the league but the league has experienced exponential growth while he's commish.

That growth is obviously a result of the decades of work by Rozelle and Tags, but the owners would appoint someone to be their front man regardless if it's Goodell or some other mouthpiece.

So ultimately, the owners themselves disagree with your take simply because the only thing they really care about is maximizing profits. And the mind-boggling sums of money in today's NFL is why things are different now.
 
Double Barrel said:
You say he's bad for the league but the league has experienced exponential growth while he's commish.

That growth is obviously a result of the decades of work by Rozelle and Tags, but the owners would appoint someone to be their front man regardless if it's Goodell or some other mouthpiece.

So ultimately, the owners themselves disagree with your take simply because the only thing they really care about is maximizing profits. And the mind-boggling sums of money in today's NFL is why things are different now.
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It's grown because of fantasy football, most of these people couldn't tell you who the HC of the Texans is, or even have an idea of what a Tampa 2 defense looks like. Go to a game and you see kids kicking soccer balls around more than throwing the football around. Most of the crowd is there to be seen not to see the game. Really sad

Yes the NFL has grown financially because they've sold their soul to the gamblers. They used to do this undercover, now they've become brazenly obvious what they're doing. It's all about the money now instead of about the game and the game is much worse off because of this. Give me the 70's-80's brand of football where WR's earned their money going across the middle. Now any hard hit is most likely going to be a penalty, regardless if it really is or not.
 
steelbtexan said:
It's grown because of fantasy football, most of these people couldn't tell you who the HC of the Texans is, or even have an idea of what a Tampa 2 defense looks like. Go to a game and you see kids kicking soccer balls around more than throwing the football around. Most of the crowd is there to be seen not to see the game. Really sad

Yes the NFL has grown financially because they've sold their soul to the gamblers. They used to do this undercover, now they've become brazenly obvious what they're doing. It's all about the money now instead of about the game and the game is much worse off because of this. Give me the 70's-80's brand of football where WR's earned their money going across the middle. Now any hard hit is most likely going to be a penalty, regardless if it really is or not.
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I predict that gambling will eventually be the NFL's downfall. Maybe not soon, but it's just a matter of time before the inherent greed and corruption that gambling brings infects the NFL and there is little that Roger can do to "protect the shield" once the perceived integrity of the league has been destroyed.
 
It will be interesting to see how the Texans smallish but fast DBs compete against the Colts large WRs/TEs. I know the Texans will be at a severe disadvantage in the running game.

I think the Colts are the runaway favorites to win the division and their window to compete for a championship is now. They also added Ngakkoue and Gilmore to their defense this season. And got their QB.

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Colts The Colts turned to WR Alec Pierce in the second round to continue to address their receiving corps, identifying his size and athleticism as traits they could really use. It's early, but Pierce reportedly
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Latest On Antonio Brown
May 19th, 2022 at 11:59am CST by Adam La Rose

Free agent wideout Antonio Brown made headlines once again this offseason with an unexpected message related to his playing career. Earlier this week, he tweeted his desire to retire as a member of the Steelers.

As Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk writes, however, that message wasn’t meant as a request to sign with Pittsburgh now or in the future. The 33-year-old has remained on the open market since his infamous departure from the Buccaneers. Among the reasons for the team cutting him was the status of his injured ankle, which remains an impediment to him being available for the 2022 campaign.

“I need to get my ankle fixed, but I just want to make sure I got an obligation or a commitment from a team”, Brown said in March. “It’s a lot for a guy to go do surgery without an idea of where you gonna work, or who you going to work for.”

As Florio notes, there has been “no talk about any team signing Brown” throughout the offseason, even with the initial waves of free agency and the draft having taken place. The four-time All-Pro produced during his time in Tampa Bay, leaving open the possibility that a receiver-needy team could take a flier on him, but the new-look Steelers offense already features a number of notable pass catchers.

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It's alot for a team to obligate themself to a player with his unstable reputation AND looking for surgery for ankle damage which may have potential adverse affect his future performance.
 
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