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Sign and trade deal for Cooks. I would take GB's #28 OR KC's #29 or CLE #44. They are all in a win now mode, one player away from winning it all phase. There is no player in this draft who can have the immediate help and production that Brandin Cooks can give them over the next 2 to 3 years. Someone will take the bait, CLE's DW4 contract has already proven CLE will. The only problems I see here is Nick Caserio is sitting at the poker table and Jack Easterby hasn't signed Brandin Cooks release permission slip.

Do I hear 28, 28, 28.......do I hear 29, 29, 29.......44, 44, 44,44. 28 or 29 or 44, bidding will close on Thursday, April 28th at 8:00PM EDST.
 
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Texian said:
Sign and trade deal for Cooks. I would take GB's #28 OR KC's #29 or CLE #44. They are all in a win now mode, one player away from winning it all phase. There is no player in this draft who can have the immediate help and production that Brandin Cooks can give them over the next 2 to 3 years. Someone will take the bait, CLE's DW4 contract has already proven CLE will. The only problems I see here is Nick Caserio is sitting at the poker table and Jack Easterby hasn't signed Brandin Cooks release permission slip.
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Does CLE have any cap left?
 
Texian said:
Sign and trade deal for Cooks. I would take GB's #28 OR KC's #29 or CLE #44. They are all in a win now mode, one player away from winning it all phase. There is no player in this draft who can have the immediate help and production that Brandin Cooks can give them over the next 2 to 3 years. Someone will take the bait, CLE's DW4 contract has already proven CLE will. The only problems I see here is Nick Caserio is sitting at the poker table and Jack Easterby hasn't signed Brandin Cooks release permission slip.
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To play devil’s advocate… Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase had better rookie seasons than Cooks ever had. If a team believes one of these rookies can perform like that for them AND they can get them then I bet they go that direction. But I do agree Cooks’ floor is much higher than anybody they can draft next 2-3 years.
 
Green Bay and Kansas City have premier QB’s who will ask that their teams prioritize finding them a new top target. Enter Caserio and Cooks. Both GB (22 & 28) and KC (29 & 30) have (2) late RD1 picks each and could easily justify using “one” of those picks to obtain Cooks from the Texans. Neither team will find a more guaranteed step in on day one starter, in the draft. Based on both team(s) for a starting WR….I think Caserio could make the trade a straight exchange with no other picks included since the picks in play should be 28, 29, or 30.
 
Texian said:
Sign and trade deal for Cooks. I would take GB's #28 OR KC's #29 or CLE #44. They are all in a win now mode, one player away from winning it all phase. There is no player in this draft who can have the immediate help and production that Brandin Cooks can give them over the next 2 to 3 years. Someone will take the bait, CLE's DW4 contract has already proven CLE will. The only problems I see here is Nick Caserio is sitting at the poker table and Jack Easterby hasn't signed Brandin Cooks release permission slip.

Do I hear 28, 28, 28.......do I hear 29, 29, 29.......44, 44, 44,44. 28 or 29 or 44, bidding will close on Thursday, April 28th at 8:00PM EDST.
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I'm not trading the best weapon on the squad for a late 1st. If you want to trade Cooks do it after next off-season. Add a receiving weapon in the draft and hope Collins develops before trading Cooks. I'm not totally against trading Cooks but it would cost a lot more than a late 1st.
 
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/#
Report: Browns among the teams interested in trade for Brandin Cooks
Posted by Charean Williams on April 4, 2022, 7:54 PM EDT


Three teams have traded Brandin Cooks, who has never stayed with one team more than three seasons. Could a fourth trade send him elsewhere?

The Browns are among the teams that have inquired about a trade for Cooks, Mary Kay Cabot of cleveland.com reports. Cabot adds that “the possibility (of a deal) is currently low.”

That’s because the Texans want a second-round choice for Cooks, per Cabot.

The Browns already traded their first-rounder and fourth-rounder in 2022 to the Texans for quarterback Deshaun Watson, as well as a third-rounder in 2023, and a fourth-rounder in 2024.

The compensation for Cooks has fallen every time a team has dealt him. The Saints traded Cooks and a 2017 fourth-round choice (subsequently traded) to the Patriots for a 2017 first-round choice (Ryan Ramczyk) and a 2017 third-round choice (Trey Hendrickson). A year later, the Patriots traded Cooks and a 2018 fourth-round choice to the Rams for a 2018 first-round choice (Isaiah Wynn) and a 2018 sixth-round choice (subsequently traded). In 2020, the Rams traded Cooks and a 2022 fourth-round selection to the Texans for a 2020 second-round choice (Van Jefferson).

A Texans’ trade of Cooks could prove difficult.

Cooks, 28, is heading into the final year of his contract with a base salary of $12.5 million, which means he will want an extension from his new team.

The Browns already traded with the Cowboys for four-time Pro Bowler Amari Cooper. But Cooks, who has six 1,000-yard seasons, teamed up with Watson in 2020 to catch 81 passes for 1,150 yards and six touchdowns.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/#
Report: Browns among the teams interested in trade for Brandin Cooks
Posted by Charean Williams on April 4, 2022, 7:54 PM EDT


Three teams have traded Brandin Cooks, who has never stayed with one team more than three seasons. Could a fourth trade send him elsewhere?

The Browns are among the teams that have inquired about a trade for Cooks, Mary Kay Cabot of cleveland.com reports. Cabot adds that “the possibility (of a deal) is currently low.”

That’s because the Texans want a second-round choice for Cooks, per Cabot.

The Browns already traded their first-rounder and fourth-rounder in 2022 to the Texans for quarterback Deshaun Watson, as well as a third-rounder in 2023, and a fourth-rounder in 2024.

The compensation for Cooks has fallen every time a team has dealt him. The Saints traded Cooks and a 2017 fourth-round choice (subsequently traded) to the Patriots for a 2017 first-round choice (Ryan Ramczyk) and a 2017 third-round choice (Trey Hendrickson). A year later, the Patriots traded Cooks and a 2018 fourth-round choice to the Rams for a 2018 first-round choice (Isaiah Wynn) and a 2018 sixth-round choice (subsequently traded). In 2020, the Rams traded Cooks and a 2022 fourth-round selection to the Texans for a 2020 second-round choice (Van Jefferson).

A Texans’ trade of Cooks could prove difficult.

Cooks, 28, is heading into the final year of his contract with a base salary of $12.5 million, which means he will want an extension from his new team.

The Browns already traded with the Cowboys for four-time Pro Bowler Amari Cooper. But Cooks, who has six 1,000-yard seasons, teamed up with Watson in 2020 to catch 81 passes for 1,150 yards and six touchdowns.
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Yeah, another draft pick - that might flop! Cooks is good, so why not hold onto him?
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not trading the best weapon on the squad for a late 1st. If you want to trade Cooks do it after next off-season. Add a receiving weapon in the draft and hope Collins develops before trading Cooks. I'm not totally against trading Cooks but it would cost a lot more than a late 1st.
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Umum this is Cooks last year of his contract. Your beloved Caserio voided the last year of his Cooks contract (2023) when he restructured that contract last year. Not to mention leaving the Texans with $7.5MM in dead money in (2023) after he is gone. The best way for Cooks to help the future of the Texans is to be traded for a late first or early 2nd RD pick.
Brandin Cooks Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac
 
Texian said:
Umum this is Cooks last year of his contract. Your beloved Caserio voided the last year of his Cooks contract (2023) when he restructured that contract last year. Not to mention leaving the Texans with $7.5MM in dead money in (2023) after he is gone. The best way for Cooks to help the future of the Texans is to be traded for a late first or early 2nd RD pick.
Brandin Cooks Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac
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My beloved Caserio?

End of discussion.
 
Texian said:
Umum this is Cooks last year of his contract. Your beloved Caserio voided the last year of his Cooks contract (2023) when he restructured that contract last year. Not to mention leaving the Texans with $7.5MM in dead money in (2023) after he is gone. The best way for Cooks to help the future of the Texans is to be traded for a late first or early 2nd RD pick.
Brandin Cooks Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac
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I think everyone has forgot that Cooks has said he doesn’t want to to be traded and has threatened to retire if the team tries. He has effectively a no trade clause and would have to agree to the deal.
 
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Lucky said:
I think everyone has forgot that Cooks has said he doesn’t want to to be traded and has threatened to retire if the team tries. He has effectively a no trade clause and would have to agree to the deal.
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& you know Carstereo does whatever is best for the players
 
TexansBull said:
Disagree. The best way Cooks to the future of the Texans is to help with Mills’ development to see if he is a QB of the future.

Both are our opinions.
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I remember when Cooks got here. He was a washed up concussion waiting to happen.

An OB/Easterby mistake

We should be able to get more for Cooks now than what was given to get him.

It's just good business.

Cooks is without a doubt the best receiver on this team.

Now. But things are changing.

I don't care whether he's traded or not, but keeping him "for Mills" is a silly argument not to trade him.
 
Texian said:
I agree with you somewhat but feel a 1st or early 2nd rd would be more valuable than Cooks last year in Houston. It would create $5MM in cap savings and also clean up 2023 and 2024 books.
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Cooks will only be 29 this season. Whether he still has the same opinion, he has said he will not accept being traded again, he'll retire. He is money in the bank, one of the most dependable wide receivers in the game with six 1,000 yd seasons in eight years. The Texans should extend his contract, or wait until after the season.and sign him to a new contract.
 
Lucky said:
I take the guy at his word that he doesn't want to be traded. Cooks could have gone to the Texans and asked for a trade and he hasn't.
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I thought that when he said that was when there was first talk about Watson leaving?
 
TexansBull said:
Disagree. The best way Cooks to the future of the Texans is to help with Mills’ development to see if he is a QB of the future.

Both are our opinions.
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Watson did pretty well after Hopkins left. He continued to progress. Not saying that Mills is Watson but he should do okay. Even more so if we got 2. 35 and could get Zion Johnson to block for him.
 
badboy said:
Because I do not want a wide receiver to be the main safety blanket for meals. That is what I have laremy tunsil and supposedly running back corps.

I would trade to Jets for 2.35.
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Just come out and say you want less weapons for Mills to work with.

I'm beginning to think you want Mills to fail. Or bean counting/draft picks are more important to you than putting talent around Mills. Keep Cooks and let him walk after this yr, so that Mills continues to develop. Maybe if Collins steps up trade Cooks at the deadline. Otherwise keep Cooks and either re-sign him or take the comp pick.

Seriously, why is it every well paid player you want to get rid of them?
 
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Watson did pretty well after Hopkins left. He continued to progress. Not saying that Mills is Watson but he should do okay. Even more so if we got 2. 35 and could get Zion Johnson to block for him.
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Because Derrick had Cooks/WFV to throw too.

Mills has nobody like that to throw too. A 2nd yr guy and who? A draft pick? 2-35 isn't a guarantee.
 
badboy said:
True but still one concussion from possible forced retirement and that could still lower his value.
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LOL, this is the same case you made for trading Cooks last offseason. CnD told us that he was at a low risk considering he had, had concussion issues before of having another concussion and this played out exactly like CnD thought it would. Cooks certainly isn't anymore likely to have to retire from concussion issues than any other player that's played in the NFL as long as Cooks has.
 
This article says 2nd round pick is the asking price. As always, its from an unnamed “source”. I’m going to treat this as a non-story until we see something happen (on draft night if it does imo). Cooks isn’t being actively shopped but the team will listen if someone asks and offers. As they should with any tradeable asset at this point in the rebuild.

www.si.com

Brandin Cooks Trade Rumors: Texans Want 2nd-Round Pick - Source

A scenario that leaves Cooks in Houston ... to help the rebuild ... can be an attractive one.
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badboy said:
True but still one concussion from possible forced retirement and that could still lower his value.
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I think back to when teams wanted to trade a 2nd RD pick for Andre Johnson after his 2013 season. Bob McNair refused to have anything to do with trading AJ. AJ had a mediocre year in 2014 and the Texans and Bob McNair ended up cutting him after the season. A lesson learned? Probably not.
 
Texian said:
I agree with you somewhat but feel a 1st or early 2nd rd would be more valuable than Cooks last year in Houston. It would create $5MM in cap savings and also clean up 2023 and 2024 books.
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Everything you say makes sense. I am willing to admit that I may be in the wrong.

I like the idea of an extra draft pick, but I haven’t heard of a WR to take Cooks place. Nico is still hope and promise. If none of the WRs are worth anything how can we grade Mills?

And Mills is in a make it or break it year. I would rather err on the side of caution and lose out on the 5 million savings and draft pick.

I don’t want there to be any excuses for keeping Mills around.

See the David Carr example. He was kept longer than needed because he needed this or that.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't care whether he's traded or not, but keeping him "for Mills" is a silly argument not to trade him.
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It wasn’t an argument. It was an opinion. So jokes on you.

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thunderkyss said:
I remember when Cooks got here. He was a washed up concussion waiting to happen.

An OB/Easterby mistake

We should be able to get more for Cooks now than what was given to get him.

It's just good business.

Cooks is without a doubt the best receiver on this team.

Now. But things are changing.

I don't care whether he's traded or not, but keeping him "for Mills" is a silly argument not to trade him.
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If you say so - but it is also silly to trade away one of the best players on the team "because he might be one concussion away from retirement" or 'We should be able to get more for Cooks now than what was given to get him."
Trading away valuable assets is silly unless you have a proven commodity of equal value to replace them.
Just good economic sense.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Cooks isn’t being actively shopped but the team will listen if someone asks and offers. As they should with any tradeable asset at this point in the rebuild.
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This is where I'm at.

I don't want to trade Cooks. But I'll trade him if I can get excellent value for him.

We're either going to trust our talent evaluators or not. That's the future of the team. Not the players themselves.
 
thunderkyss said:
This is where I'm at.

I don't want to trade Cooks. But I'll trade him if I can get excellent value for him.

We're either going to trust our talent evaluators or not. That's the future of the team. Not the players themselves.
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I don't disagree with you in theory, but even if the talent evaluators get every pick right, it's unlikely that drafted players will be as beneficial to Mills in 2022 as Cooks will be.
We need to find out about Mills this year. Waiting for talent to develop around him isn't the best solution, in this scenario imo
 
And besides, everyone keeps talking about getting more draft picks. Since when did draft picks become such a sure thing in people's minds? If you can score on half your draft picks you're doing good. Even if you have the best talent evaluators in the business, that doesn't mean that their picks will all pan out.

You're picking humans from draft stock. Humans are notorious for being less than what you expect.
 
michaelm said:
We need to find out about Mills this year.
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I think they should have already made up their mind on Mills. Most likely have.
michaelm said:
Waiting for talent to develop around him isn't the best solution, in this scenario imo
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We’ve got talent at WR. None that have been as productive as Mills, but I don’t think Mills is going to start making dumb decisions because Cooks isn’t out there.

Brevan Jordan & Nico are in their 2nd year & both should have really good 2nd years.

& if they trade Cooks (not that I want them too) maybe they’ll bring someone in, like O’Brien brought in Cooks after trading Hopkins. Or maybe they draft a Jordan Jeffries.

If my goal was to win 12 games, Cooks & Tunsil are untouchable. But if I’m still stumbling through “The Process” nobody is untouchable
 
Thorn said:
Right now Cooks is the best receiver on the team and will not get us as much in return as we would with him on the field. I say keep him for now. If we develop some good receivers, then let him go if we can get a good return. But I wouldn't for now.
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Yeah, rumors of a 2nd round pick isn’t appealing to me. It would have to be top 5 in the second round for me to even listen
 
Thorn said:
If you can score on half your draft picks you're doing good. Even if you have the best talent evaluators in the business, that doesn't mean that their picks will all pan out.
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Half of 8 is four

Half of more is more
 
Thorn said:
Right now Cooks is the best receiver on the team and will not get us as much in return as we would with him on the field. I say keep him for now. If we develop some good receivers, then let him go if we can get a good return. But I wouldn't for now.
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What are we getting with him on the field? They won 4 games in each of the last 2 years with him on the field.
 
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