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Thorn said:
I'm sure hoping Mills is the real deal. He certainly has the potential to be. If not, we have the draft capital to get a QB next year. I'd rather see Mills be the one, it saves us the trauma of having to going through another gamble on a highly ranked draft choice.
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After this draft and off season, he should have an improved roster around him and that should give him a better chance to showcase his talent.
If he looks mediocre after that, then we have the resources to go after one in the next draft, or, the capspace to go after a decent FA. If there is one.
 
Thorn said:
I'm sure hoping Mills is the real deal. He certainly has the potential to be. If not, we have the draft capital to get a QB next year. I'd rather see Mills be the one, it saves us the trauma of having to going through another gamble on a highly ranked draft choice.
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Yep. If Mills doesn't work out in 2022, keep drafting a QB until you find one that does. It's a much better option than giving away three 1st round picks and guaranteeing $230 million to one position.
 
Thorn said:
Mills will become the greatest QB in the galaxy. They'll erect statues of him on far away planets.
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I find it just a tad bit funny how some folks are touting how good Davis Mills is and in the same breath are saying how bad Tim Kelly was. I guess we will now find out if Mills is that good and if Kelly was that bad. To answer the thread's question, today, Davis Mills is a poor man's Matt Schaub.
 
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Texian said:
I find it just a tad bit funny how some folks are touting how good Davis is Mills is and in the same breath are saying how bad Tim Kelly was. I guess we will now find out if Mills is that good and if Kelly was that bad. To answer the thread's question, today, Davis Mills is a poor man's Matt Schaub.
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I'll almost agree with this. I think Mills floor is Matt Schaub, but I think his ceiling is higher.
 
Let's be honest about this. He didn't play a full year yet. He showed flashes of being very good and he had some way off plays. Take the OL into account and you can get a little more idea of what he maybe can do. Here is what I saw watching him.

Some really bad INTs in his first few games.

Rushed passes at times because of the awful OL.

Misread Ds at times early on.

As he got more time he was putting the ball on target more often than not.

He has a good arm and can make any throw.

He actually has some ok mobility once he got his feet wet.

His WRs hung him out to dry with drops a few times on very well placed throws.

He can read a D. It took baptism by fire but he showed it in the last few weeks.

He was a top 10-15 QB over the last few weeks.

So, what I am seeing is a rookie who made mistakes. However, shook off bad plays well. Progressively improved as the season went on. A good leader as the players like him. A see zero reason to not put better OL and weapons around him and see what happens. IF he balls out, you found a good QB. If it is hit and miss like the start of last year...draft a QB in 2023.
 
FatSeagal said:
That's kinda my worst fear with Mills. He plays next year shows he isn't "it"? Whatever, we are rebuilding anyway and can look around in the draft for one.

Shows he can play in the NFL, but isn't top tier? I doubt the Texans can break away from the "keep him around, quit looking" mindset

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Maybe. But, if he can play as well as he did the last month or so. You won't be upset. That is IF the team puts weapons and better protection around him. If he can be a top 10-ish QB that's not bad. After all, Jake Delohme wasn't a stud QB but with what they put around him he was good enough for a SB trip and winning seasons. True, you want SB trips and wins every year. But, if you get winning with him you can build a great team and then draft a great QB in 4yrs or so.
 
The main positive quality that I thought Mills displayed at the end of the season was composure.
He looked composed like a veteran with years under his belt.
Yes, he had bad plays. But I never got the feeling that the game was too fast for him.
And I rarely thought he was rattled by pressure.
I think he's a mentally tough kid. And to me, assuming a QB has physical talent, mental toughness is more than half the battle
 
michaelm said:
The main positive quality that I thought Mills displayed at the end of the season was composure.
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You can see the progress Mills made from the preseason to the end of the season. That means he's coachable. The next step is to retain what he's learned, and let his own creativity and spontaneity emerge from there. Mills shouldn't be painting by numbers any longer. He needs to find his own vision and create art. I'm not saying it will be perfect in year 2. Just individual growth.
 
Lucky said:
You can see the progress Mills made from the preseason to the end of the season. That means he's coachable. The next step is to retain what he's learned, and let his own creativity and spontaneity emerge from there. Mills shouldn't be painting by numbers any longer. He needs to find his own vision and create art. I'm not saying it will be perfect in year 2. Just individual growth.
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Again. HOU has got to get this kid weapons.
I have no problem whatsoever doing what CIN did for Burrow through the draft.
 
Jack Burton said:
Again. HOU has got to get this kid weapons.
I have no problem whatsoever doing what CIN did for Burrow through the draft.
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People keep saying the Texans need to draft defense. I disagree. To see what Mills is going to be, he needs to be surrounded by good offensive players. Draft a lineman, top tier WR, and a good RB, and TE. This is supposedly a very deep DL Draft. Use some mid/late round picks there. I don't mind losing games in a shoot out. If Mills winds up sucking then use a 1st next year on a QB and the rest of the picks on defense. At least the offense will be rebuilt for the new QB.
 
mws said:
I'm not the technical expert a lot of you are but it seems to me that a decent running game could take a lot of the pressure off Mills. The Texans were the very definition of a one trick pony last season. Not one of their opponents had to fear or even respect their rushing attack.
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& really, Mills wasn't sacked all that often. I think there was one game that throws the numbers out of whack, but overall he got the ball out quick enough most of the time & got out of the pocket plenty.

Remove the tells, run effectively, & better game planning/play calling, I think he'll be aiight.

Main improvement I want to see from the OL is in the run game.
 
Xopher said:
People keep saying the Texans need to draft defense. I disagree. To see what Mills is going to be, he needs to be surrounded by good offensive players. Draft a lineman, top tier WR, and a good RB, and TE. This is supposedly a very deep DL Draft. Use some mid/late round picks there. I don't mind losing games in a shoot out. If Mills winds up sucking then use a 1st next year on a QB and the rest of the picks on defense. At least the offense will be rebuilt for the new QB.
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Doesn't matter if he's always playing from behind.

Need to improve both sides of the ball.
 
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Xopher said:
People keep saying the Texans need to draft defense. I disagree. To see what Mills is going to be, he needs to be surrounded by good offensive players. Draft a lineman, top tier WR, and a good RB, and TE. This is supposedly a very deep DL Draft. Use some mid/late round picks there. I don't mind losing games in a shoot out. If Mills winds up sucking then use a 1st next year on a QB and the rest of the picks on defense. At least the offense will be rebuilt for the new QB.
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Preach it brother.
Ive been banging the table to go offense and go big. This is a loaded draft with all kinds of offensive weapons and offensive linemen.
I say get Sauce at 3 then go offense the next 4 picks and load this kid with every possible weapon and if he doesn’t work out, the offense is set for the new rookie QB.
HOU can improve the defensive side the following year. They will have a ton in FA and the draft. And no ones advocating to use every single pick on offense but if Mills is stuck with the same offense as last year, they aren’t going to be able to fairly evaluate him.
 
Xopher said:
People keep saying the Texans need to draft defense. I disagree. To see what Mills is going to be, he needs to be surrounded by good offensive players. Draft a lineman, top tier WR, and a good RB, and TE. This is supposedly a very deep DL Draft. Use some mid/late round picks there. I don't mind losing games in a shoot out. If Mills winds up sucking then use a 1st next year on a QB and the rest of the picks on defense. At least the offense will be rebuilt for the new QB.
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I agree except for the drastic need of an edge rusher. If Walker or Hutchinson is around at 3 (trade down even to 6-8 area) you have to go after one. In a trade you're going to get a 2nd and late 1st or multiple 2nd and 3rds. Meaning we can get weapons still rather early
 
Jack Burton said:
Preach it brother.
Ive been banging the table to go offense and go big. This is a loaded draft with all kinds of offensive weapons and offensive linemen.
I say get Sauce at 3 then go offense the next 4 picks and load this kid with every possible weapon and if he doesn’t work out, the offense is set for the new rookie QB.
HOU can improve the defensive side the following year. They will have a ton in FA and the draft. And no ones advocating to use every single pick on offense but if Mills is stuck with the same offense as last year, they aren’t going to be able to fairly evaluate him.
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I would trade back with that #3 pick, around #8-10, another 2nd round pick and possibly a 4th rounder. With let’s say we land the 8th pick. I would draft Sauce with that pick. With our 13th pick I would draft George Karlaftis DE out of Purdue. Then with those 2nd and 3rd rounders picks (total of 4), I would good all offense.
 
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The Pencil Neck said:
Welcome to the board.

Mills did have quite a few passes that could have and should have been picked.

But here's the deal...

Most quarterbacks do. Think about all the games you've watched (I'm assuming here that you've watched a lot of games) where our defense should have or could have had a pick. Every QB I've ever watched has had those almost picks, bad QBs, good QBs, great QBs, all of them.

Personally, I'm not going to count "almost picked off" as a thing until they turn into actually being picked off.
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Not unless almost touchdowns are also counted.
 
Jack Burton said:
Again. HOU has got to get this kid weapons.
I have no problem whatsoever doing what CIN did for Burrow through the draft.
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Yep, the fact that he was a top 10-15 QB at the end of last season and has played so little should be cause for excitement, but it won't be for some. Keeping Pep and adding weapons is big for Mills development.

Ryan is a good choice as a guy that's comparable to Mills talent level.
 
SnakeEyes said:
I agree except for the drastic need of an edge rusher. If Walker or Hutchinson is around at 3 (trade down even to 6-8 area) you have to go after one. In a trade you're going to get a 2nd and late 1st or multiple 2nd and 3rds. Meaning we can get weapons still rather early
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There will be great edge players available at 13 or even 37.

Give me Johnson at 13 or Williams/Ekibetie at 37

Hopefully the 2 biggest badazzez are there at 1-3 and 1-13. Neal/Davis and get the edge at 37. Fix the OL/DL in Rds 1-2. Then start giving Mills weapons to work with. I would trade back into the 2nd for a top notch slot wr.
 
Jack Burton said:
... if Mills is stuck with the same offense as last year, they aren’t going to be able to fairly evaluate him.
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Quarterback is the single most important position a team needs to settle on. My opinion is that Mills appears to have what it takes to go forward with him. But we absolutely need to make this decision this year, at the expense of other priorities. Otherwise we will be using draft resources next year to start all over.

This draft will be heavily influenced by whether Caserio can trade down with either 3 or 13, or both, but drafting offense needs to be our priority and dominate our picks.
 
SnakeEyes said:
I agree except for the drastic need of an edge rusher. If Walker or Hutchinson is around at 3 (trade down even to 6-8 area) you have to go after one. In a trade you're going to get a 2nd and late 1st or multiple 2nd and 3rds. Meaning we can get weapons still rather early
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We no longer have a "drastic" need for an edge rusher. Of course we have Greenard returning, but we also signed as a FA, DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. While not elite, he should equal Greenards production, which could mean 8-10 sacks from both sides.
 
Number19 said:
We no longer have a "drastic" need for an edge rusher. Of course we have Greenard returning, but we also signed as a FA, DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. While not elite, he should equal Greenards production, which could mean 8-10 sacks from both sides.
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Tend to agree - so this is where you can compromise a little by drafting a DB and/or LB who can rush the passer effectively as well.
Enter Kyle Hamilton.
And Devin Lloyd.
 
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Number19 said:
Quarterback is the single most important position a team needs to settle on. My opinion is that Mills appears to have what it takes to go forward with him. But we absolutely need to make this decision this year, at the expense of other priorities. Otherwise we will be using draft resources next year to start all over.

This draft will be heavily influenced by whether Caserio can trade down with either 3 or 13, or both, but drafting offense needs to be our priority and dominate our picks.
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While I don't necessarily disagree with getting as many weapons for Mills to utilize as possible, I'm not in agreement of neglecting the defense to do it. How does Mills become a better QB, making it easy for him? To me it would say more for Mills to take his lumps and hold his own through this than to load up on offense and make it easier for him. Hell, after his horrific start when Taylor 1st went down, where he had 6 TD, 7 INT, 83.6 rating and averaging 10.1 points per game, he sat the bench for 4 games and when Taylor went down again, his last 5 games, 10 TD, 2 INT, 102.4 rating and 23.2 points per game. And that was still with shit for a run game except for that 1 game.

Defense is still just as important as a QB, IMO. You don't win consistently without either. Both sides of the ball needs playmakers. The Texans have enough picks to work both sides.
 
Number19 said:
Quarterback is the single most important position a team needs to settle on. My opinion is that Mills appears to have what it takes to go forward with him. But we absolutely need to make this decision this year, at the expense of other priorities. Otherwise we will be using draft resources next year to start all over.

This draft will be heavily influenced by whether Caserio can trade down with either 3 or 13, or both, but drafting offense needs to be our priority and dominate our picks.
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At this point drafting the best players is the way to go. Luckily the strength of the draft is the OL/DL. Get those fixed with the early picks. Then there are going to be some good skill position guys available at the TE, Wr and RB spots in the 3rd/4th Rds. You can add a guy like wr Pearce and Dulcich in the 3rd and RB Pierce in the 4th.

These guys all would all be big upgrades.
 
Speedy said:
While I don't necessarily disagree with getting as many weapons for Mills to utilize as possible, I'm not in agreement of neglecting the defense to do it. How does Mills become a better QB, making it easy for him? To me it would say more for Mills to take his lumps and hold his own through this than to load up on offense and make it easier for him. Hell, after his horrific start when Taylor 1st went down, where he had 6 TD, 7 INT, 83.6 rating and averaging 10.1 points per game, he sat the bench for 4 games and when Taylor went down again, his last 5 games, 10 TD, 2 INT, 102.4 rating and 23.2 points per game. And that was still with shit for a run game except for that 1 game.

Defense is still just as important as a QB, IMO. You don't win consistently without either. Both sides of the ball needs playmakers. The Texans have enough picks to work both sides.
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Fixing the ol/dl will go a long way to helping Mills.
 
steelbtexan said:
You should be able to upgrade over those guys by drafting a wr in the 3rd Rd. A guy like Pearce or Velus Jones will probably be there in the 3rd.
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Does not change that I’d be impressed if Conley or Dorsett accumulate 800 yards this season.
 
Number19 said:
We no longer have a "drastic" need for an edge rusher. Of course we have Greenard returning, but we also signed as a FA, DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. While not elite, he should equal Greenards production, which could mean 8-10 sacks from both sides.
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Maybe not drastic but if you have a player that can change the game like JJ...you take it. I would like to be 3 and out more. And we have 2 guys in the draft who can do it and one who I'm not sure if he is legit or not in KT. Hutchinson and Walker, who can also gain 20lbs and play DT are studs
 
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