What Grade Did Caserio Get on Watson Trade?

[maverick512000]

I have not once argued we could/should have gotten more.

The post you quoted had absolutely nothing about getting more.

Out of charity I ask you to re-read what you quoted & think about why you responded as you did. Perhaps it says more about you than it does about me

Frankly you haven't made any sense regarding the trade since it was made. You talk about how you hate how it was done and how the Wilson trade was done right all while ignoring that Watson is not Wilson and Wilson has more class is is frankly a better human being. Its been pointed out to you multiple times that the NTC doesn't work like you seem to think it does, that Texans can get Watson to give them a list and that sets it in stone, but again you have ignored that. You're final answer would be to not just cut off our nose but gouge out our eyes and sew or lips shut as well to spite our faces when you know, or at least should know, that it won't make a single thing better or get us a better trade.

Finally I "responded like I did" because you are making as much sense as @Texian in regards to this trade. The only thing that says about me more than it does you is that apparently I had more realistic expectations about how all this was going to go down.

 

[maverick512000]

This is where I disagree.

No one should ever have had access to Watson.

No one had access to the disgruntled Russell Wilson.

Believe what you will, but it was reported several teams were making inquiry about Watson even after it was reported again & again that Nick was not backing off the asking price.

You can call it wasting his time, but Seattle worked out a deal with WFT, presented it to Wilson who turned it down. They then worked out another deal presented it to Wilson, he accepted it.

Watson was coddled & stroked by Casserio overly concerned with what Watson wanted.

Thats where you are wrong.

3 NFL teams reportedly candidates for Russell Wilson trade

While he is happy with the Seattle Seahawks for now, quarterback Russell Wilson is reportedly at least receptive to three NFL teams if he is traded.

sportsnaut.com

Wilson's preferred team and where he wanted to go was Denver. Guess where he ended up going. Wilson was just more low key about it and didn't make teams dance for his amusement and ego. Its that whole more class thing.

 

[thunderkyss]

Teams were not even allowed to talk to Watson unless they...

Why were teams even allowed to talk to him? He wasn't on a franchise tag. He was under a contract he signed 18 months ago.

its like you base things off only one team or party setting all the terms.

In most trades the one party who has no say on terms is the player. With an NTC the player gets to choose the destination.

This guy renegotiated a fairly new deal.

 

[maverick512000]

Why were teams even allowed to talk to him? He wasn't on a franchise tag. He was under a contract he signed 18 months ago.




In most trades the one party who has no say on terms is the player. With an NTC the player gets to choose the destination.

This guy renegotiated a fairly new deal.

Again TK do you not understand how a NTC works? Seriously asking because you keep making it sound like they could make Watson waive it prior to a trade actually being made. The NTC was not actually waived till Sunday when the deal officially passed the league approvals. Before that literally at anytime Watson could have backed out with just a word. Watson was the first to weaponize it like this but the potential was always there.

 

[thunderkyss]

Wilson's preferred team and where he wanted to go was Denver. Guess where he ended up going.

Are you ignoring Wilson was disgruntled & had an NTC?

Wilson being a better person & more accomplished would definitely effect the value of compensation, I'm not arguing that.

But the way Seattle handled their situation is my evidence of how it should have been done.

Other teams were not given "access" to him so he could negotiate a brand new contract.

He may very well work out a new contract now. That's the way it's always been done.

 

[thunderkyss]

Thats where you are wrong.

3 NFL teams reportedly candidates for Russell Wilson trade

While he is happy with the Seattle Seahawks for now, quarterback Russell Wilson is reportedly at least receptive to three NFL teams if he is traded.

sportsnaut.com

Wilson's preferred team and where he wanted to go was Denver. Guess where he ended up going. Wilson was just more low key about it and didn't make teams dance for his amusement and ego. Its that whole more class thing.

Sorry, I just read the report you posted in this reply.

It says nothing about teams having access to Wilson. Nor one of them contacted Russell to beg him to play for their team.

In fact, it reports Seattle continued to deny they were considering a trade & Wilson would have to force it.

There's another report Wilson says he had no idea Seattle was even talking to Denver until they presented him with the trade.

 

[maverick512000]

Are you ignoring Wilson was disgruntled & had an NTC?

Wilson being a better person & more accomplished would definitely effect the value of compensation, I'm not arguing that.

But the way Seattle handled there situation is my evidence of how it should have been done.

Other teams were not given "access" to him so he could negotiate a brand new contract.

He may very well work out a new contract now. That's the way it's always been done.

I don't disagree that the way it was done with Wilson is how it should have been done but where we disagree is that with Watson it couldn't be done that way. Texans couldn't stop Watson's agent and the Browns from talking to each other. Their only options was to file a tampering charge or nix the whole deal. If they had tried to hold the Browns feet to the fire Watson could come along with his NTC and throw water on that by just letting everyone know he wouldn't be traded to any team but Cleveland. Then the Texans choice becomes trade him for whatever lowball amount the Browns will offer or make Watson ride the bench and pay him 35 million. They couldn't flat out refuse to pay him money as that would be a clear violation of his contract and he could have really taken them to the cleaners. Thats not even factors in the players union getting involved.

I guess I just don't understand what more you think they could have done. The things you've suggested would not have achieved anything except burning the whole thing to the ground and putting the team in a position it might never have recovered from.

 

[maverick512000]

Sorry, I just read the report you posted in this reply.

It says nothing about teams having access to Wilson. Nor one of them contacted Russell to beg him to play for their team.

In fact, it reports Seattle continued to deny they were considering a trade & Wilson would have to force it.

There's another report Wilson says he had no idea Seattle was even talking to Denver until they presented him with the trade.

I looked up and read that to and you are right in that Wilson said he didn't initiate it which I can believe. Could be that Seattle knew he wanted out and that Denver was his preferred landing spot so they cut a deal with the team that they knew he would wave his NTC to. Again though the X factor here you are not taking into account is the personality differences between Wilson and Watson. One has always been a classy professional and the other showed he's a lying scumbag. Let you guess which is which.

 

[Texansballer74]

Were they though? I know Caserio talked about wanting players but I have a really hard time seeing Cleveland as willing to give up all those picks and their best defense and offense weapons. They are looking to win now and that would have dramatically lowered their odds. Also my understanding was it was Cleveland that called Watson's agent and asked to be let back into the game and bought their way in with the guaranteed money.

I’m just passing on the information I heard from my boy. His information came from an ex player of the Texans.

 

[thunderkyss]

If they had tried to hold the Browns feet to the fire Watson could come along with his NTC and throw water on that by just letting everyone know he wouldn't be traded to any team but Cleveland. Then the Texans choice becomes trade him for whatever lowball amount the Browns will offer or make Watson ride the bench and pay him 35 million. They couldn't flat out refuse to pay him money as that would be a clear violation of his contract and he could have really taken them to the cleaners.

This is where we disagree.

Texans couldn't stop Watson's agent and the Browns from talking to each other.

Yes, they absolutely could have

Again though the X factor here you are not taking into account is the personality differences between Wilson and Watson.

I believe that's a figment of your imagination. We know he was at least willing to talk to Carolina, New Orleans, & the Browns. We know he called Atlanta into the mix. If the Texans would have handled the trade like Seattle did, Watson would have been playing for Atlanta (most likely). He'd talk to them, after the trade, about renegotiating his contract to protect him from a suspension.

But he wouldn't have the fully guaranteed max deal he's got now. & it's not that I care what kind of deal he's got. But that he got it in large part due to the mishandling of this situation by the Texans.

Gives me no confidence in these guys regarding future trades or contract negotiations with star players. Things will probably work out better than they did with Hopkins, & Clowney (& Dunta if you really want to go back that far), but that's the sad state we are in.

 

[vtech9]

Hmmmm....Tampering on part of the Browns? Could we get more picks? Another grand jury starting for WD40?

 

[maverick512000]

This is where we disagree.


Yes, they absolutely could have


I believe that's a figment of your imagination. We know he was at least willing to talk to Carolina, New Orleans, & the Browns. We know he called Atlanta into the mix. If the Texans would have handled the trade like Seattle did, Watson would have been playing for Atlanta (most likely). He'd talk to them, after the trade, about renegotiating his contract to protect him from a suspension.

But he wouldn't have the fully guaranteed max deal he's got now. & it's not that I care what kind of deal he's got. But that he got it in large part due to the mishandling of this situation by the Texans.

Gives me no confidence in these guys regarding future trades or contract negotiations with star players. Things will probably work out better than they did with Hopkins, & Clowney (& Dunta if you really want to go back that far), but that's the sad state we are in.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on it because I believe the NTC clause and what Watson, and perhaps more so his agent, were willing to do with it tied the Texans hands more than you think.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

This is where we disagree.


Yes, they absolutely could have


I believe that's a figment of your imagination. We know he was at least willing to talk to Carolina, New Orleans, & the Browns. We know he called Atlanta into the mix. If the Texans would have handled the trade like Seattle did, Watson would have been playing for Atlanta (most likely). He'd talk to them, after the trade, about renegotiating his contract to protect him from a suspension.

But he wouldn't have the fully guaranteed max deal he's got now. & it's not that I care what kind of deal he's got. But that he got it in large part due to the mishandling of this situation by the Texans.

Gives me no confidence in these guys regarding future trades or contract negotiations with star players. Things will probably work out better than they did with Hopkins, & Clowney (& Dunta if you really want to go back that far), but that's the sad state we are in.

The announcement of another Grand Jury is WHY the Texans couldn't wait. They needed to get rid of him ASAP, for a good haul. Some of you think that the Texans were going to get 7or 8 assets out of this trade.
That was never going to happen, not with the NTC. Just imagine now, if that GJ indicts on that single count. What would Watson's trade value be then?
Texans received fair compensation. Time to move on....

 

[thunderkyss]

The announcement of another Grand Jury is WHY the Texans couldn't wait. They needed to get rid of him ASAP, for a good haul.

That makes more sense than kissing WatsonAz because of an NTC.

Some of you think that the Texans were going to get 7or 8 assets out of this trade

I've yet to complain about the compensation.

 

[GanadoUHCoog]

Golly, another possible grand jury for Watson? Our trade with the Browns has no "take backs" right? I assume those picks are ours no matter what? Would the NFL somehow intervene and take the picks away if Watson ends up in jail? Can anyone confirm what the deal is? The fact that the Browns confirmed they were aware of this makes Caserio look alot better in my mind by clearing Watson off our plate and putting the risk on someone else (Browns) if the picks really are ours no matter what. Given this info and the extra 4th, and only giving a 6th, I'm feeling like this is a solid B trade for us at this point.

 

[Rich Schmidt]

The bigger difference in all of this between Russel and WD40 is that Wilson would have played if a deal had not got done, not ride pine for $35m. And before you say make WD40 play, yeah, right. Feign an injury. One has class, the other was an ass

 

[Texian]

Golly, another possible grand jury for Watson? Our trade with the Browns has no "take backs" right? I assume those picks are ours no matter what? Would the NFL somehow intervene and take the picks away if Watson ends up in jail? Can anyone confirm what the deal is? The fact that the Browns confirmed they were aware of this makes Caserio look alot better in my mind by clearing Watson off our plate and putting the risk on someone else (Browns) if the picks really are ours no matter what. Given this info and the extra 4th, and only giving a 6th, I'm feeling like this is a solid B trade for us at this point.

Technically DW4 is taking his physical today, so Browns could say he failed his physical but i don't foresee that happening.

 

[DBCooper]

Technically DW4 is taking his physical today, so Browns could say he failed his physical but i don't foresee that happening.

Doc posted in another thread he passed it.

 

[maverick512000]

Technically DW4 is taking his physical today, so Browns could say he failed his physical but i don't foresee that happening.

Browns have already said they were aware Thursday of the new GJ so either they are lying or they don’t think it will be an issue. Either way hard for them try to pull the failed his physical card particularly since Watson has not played in over a year.

 

[thunderkyss]

The bigger difference in all of this between Russel and WD40 is that Wilson would have played if a deal had not got done, not ride pine for $35m. And before you say make WD40 play, yeah, right. Feign an injury. One has class, the other was an ass

That may have been another issue. Texans seem absolutely against letting him play.

 

[DBCooper]

That may have been another issue. Texans seem absolutely against letting him play.

Dude quit.

He lost the privilege.

 

[Texazan]

It wasn't perfect and really I dont care what the optics were, who did what to who or who got dragged around, they shipped his ass out for a nice haul and the rest is really of no consequence. It was actually over pretty quick. Solid A grade from me.

Like we say in golf, there are no pictures on the scorecard, its just your score so no matter how ugly or pretty what did you shoot?

 

[Thorn]

.... they shipped his ass out for a nice haul and the rest is really of no consequence .....

This needs to be beaten into the heads of everybody. There is no spilt milk here to be concerned about.

 

[IDEXAN]

Browns have already said they were aware Thursday of the new GJ so either they are lying or they don’t think it will be an issue. Either way hard for them try to pull the failed his physical card particularly since Watson has not played in over a year.

So if thy are talking "GJ" then that means that Watson will then still be at risk of another criminal trial again, right ?

 

[Mangler]

What we must keep in mind is the fact this was the second biggest haul of draft picks in NFL history! Those who continue to complain will never acknowledge that or be satisfied.
They should be thankful O'Brien was not GM else we likely only get a bag of Doritos.

The fact that Caserio was able to get the type of haul for a player that professionally hasn’t really accomplished jack sh*t, who quit on the franchise that drafted him months after signing a massive deal, who is a sexual predator (allegedly) is freakin amazing.

 

[Double Barrel]

This is where I disagree.

No one should ever have had access to Watson.

No one had access to the disgruntled Russell Wilson.

Believe what you will, but it was reported several teams were making inquiry about Watson even after it was reported again & again that Nick was not backing off the asking price.

You can call it wasting his time, but Seattle worked out a deal with WFT, presented it to Wilson who turned it down. They then worked out another deal presented it to Wilson, he accepted it.

Watson was coddled & stroked by Casserio overly concerned with what Watson wanted.

The NFL is a results-driven business, and that includes the off-season, as well.

At the end of the day, Caserio got what he wanted and it has been considered by just about everyone to be a historical deal. It is very rare that any team gives up three no. 1 picks for a single player.

I don't care what he had to do to achieve the results. Watson is a diva and had to be treated like one to achieve the endgame. He's now Cleveland's problem and I cannot cast any shadows over Caserio's methods because he was hamstrung by the diva, time, court cases, and an owner that was probably pressing him to get it done asap.

Comparing Wilson to Watson is like comparing apples to anal beads. Wilson is professional, never acted like a jackass and never refused to play, and he worked with his franchise to get a deal done. Watson is a quitter with a sketchy private life and has an ego the size of a moon.

 

[Texian]

Aaron Wilson on Twitter: "Rusty Hardin: 'This is a year-old allegation. We knew, the Browns knew. Deshaun is going to be the Browns quarterback this year.'" / Twitter

 

[thunderkyss]

Comparing Wilson to Watson is like comparing apples to anal beads. Wilson is professional, never acted like a jackass and never refused to play, and he worked with his franchise to get a deal done. Watson is a quitter with a sketchy private life and has an ego the size of a moon.

Which one should have been allowed to renegotiate their contract?

If I were Wilson I'd fire my agent & call Mulagetta

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

This franchise would be in amazing shape right now had they not made some many blunders in the past.

As it stands, they are in a pretty good place moving forward regardless.

 

[FuzzyLogic]

Correct. The Texans currently have back to back picks @ #107 & #108.

But Nick will probably trade a future 6th to jump from #108 to #106 to make sure the guy with #107 doesn't steal his pick - the guy is a thinker! (I kid... Mostly)

 

[Lucky]

I'll never let you go, Deshaun.

 

[CWTexansFan]

Yes it’s can be frustrating but we always have to remember. What we think they should get, more and likely won’t be what they will get. Gotta set the bar low brother. Just like all of our mock drafts. I know one particular member will go over board once the Texans are done with the draft. We all know they will not draft the players we think they should draft.

Yep, with his incessant rousing of rabbles.

 

[Dejaview]

Are you ignoring Wilson was disgruntled & had an NTC?

Wilson being a better person & more accomplished would definitely effect the value of compensation, I'm not arguing that.

But the way Seattle handled their situation is my evidence of how it should have been done.

Other teams were not given "access" to him so he could negotiate a brand new contract.

He may very well work out a new contract now. That's the way it's always been done.

I don’t agree. This trade is in no way related to the Wilson trade. both had NTC’s but IMO the DW trade was all about his legal problems. There was just too many ways the trade could go wrong if the Texans assumed full responsibility for his baggage and prevented other teams from talking to him. By letting them interview him they shifted liability to his suitors who could ask the questions that effected their liability instead of the Texans trying to answer them. Even the contract discussions shifted liability to Cleveland because they were doing the due diligence for any future problems that might pop up. Wilson didn’t come with that liability baggage so there was no need to take the Texans route here nor did NC take this route with his other trades.

 

[maverick512000]

So if thy are talking "GJ" then that means that Watson will then still be at risk of another criminal trial again, right ?

In theory yes though the odds of it are honestly pretty low.

 

[thunderkyss]

I don’t agree. This trade is in no way related to the Wilson trade. both had NTC’s but IMO the DW trade was all about his legal problems. There was just too many ways the trade could go wrong if the Texans assumed full responsibility for his baggage and prevented other teams from talking to him. By letting them interview him they shifted liability to his suitors who could ask the questions that effected their liability instead of the Texans trying to answer them. Even the contract discussions shifted liability to Cleveland because they were doing the due diligence for any future problems that might pop up. Wilson didn’t come with that liability baggage so there was no need to take the Texans route here nor did NC take this route with his other trades.

That sounds plausible. I can understand this thinking.

I don’t know it was a requirement that teams needed to talk to him. Just about everything involving the legal matters was public, everyone knew there was some risk.

Miami flat out didn’t care about the criminal charges before the trade deadline with the shenanigans they tried to pull. Carolina flat out said they didn’t care.

It’s possible other teams didn’t care. With the reports of teams inquiring after Caserio saying he won’t back off his ask, after saying he’s not offering any concessions, & the way teams were wanting in after the first grand jury no bill, I’m sure there was a healthy market of teams willing to take the risk.

 

[Xopher]

I looked up and read that to and you are right in that Wilson said he didn't initiate it which I can believe. Could be that Seattle knew he wanted out and that Denver was his preferred landing spot so they cut a deal with the team that they knew he would wave his NTC to. Again though the X factor here you are not taking into account is the personality differences between Wilson and Watson. One has always been a classy professional and the other showed he's a lying scumbag. Let you guess which is which.

The other X factor is the entire world knew Watson wanted to be traded and said he wasn't ever playing for the Texans again. Wilson didn't do that. Denver didn't know that. This made negotiating a trade for Wilson much easier than Watson. Wilson may have wanted a trade but he never said he wasn't going to play for the Seahawks again, at least not publicly. We also don't know what Watson told the Texans. He could have said "I am not waiving my NTC unless you let me talk to the teams." Do people really believe the McNairs would have allowed Nick to keep Watson on the team and pay him 35 million this year. The compensation would have been even less next year. Yeah Nick could have said "We want all those picks plus Hunt/Garrett or we aren't trading Watson." He might have and Jimmy Haslam promptly called Cal. Watson had this team over a barrel. He is all about the money and would have sat on the bench and collected his 35 million for the foreseeable future.

 

[thunderkyss]

"I am not waiving my NTC unless you let me talk to the teams." Do people really believe the McNairs would have allowed Nick to keep Watson on the team and pay him 35 million this year.

I wouldn’t have paid him. What’s he going to do?

He couldn’t even keep up with his lease for his sandwich shop. He’d have waived his NTC for teams he wanted to play for if you mess with his money.

Watson had this team over a barrel.

Only because they let him.

 

[maverick512000]

I wouldn’t have paid him. What’s he going to do?

He couldn’t even keep up with his lease for his sandwich shop. He’d have waived his NTC for teams he wanted to play for if you mess with his money.


Only because they let him.

TK you do realize in the state of Texas it is actually a criminal offense to refuse to pay an employee right? Not to mention any lawyer would have taken the case on a pay upon win deal because it would be open and shut and that 167 million just became 500 million.

As far as the sand which shop goes I think that has more to do with Watson’s selfishness of not caring about anyone or anything but himself rather than actual lack of funds.

 

[Bluehen Texan]

Were you ever a member of the teams official message board before it shut down in 2018? I was a member since its inception in 99' and they had some real douche mods over there. They used some ridiculous point system and were always PMing you over the most mundane things. They had no life obviously. Glad I found this place. 100% better forum/members/mods. Now back to the topic on hand.....which I can't recall what it was....oh yes Nicks grade....

Was that the Bull pen? I was on that one from about 2005 to the end but don’t remember a point system. I hated to start all over somewhere else but this has been good.

 

[Dejaview]

That sounds plausible. I can understand this thinking.

I don’t know it was a requirement that teams needed to talk to him. Just about everything involving the legal matters was public, everyone knew there was some risk.

Miami flat out didn’t care about the criminal charges before the trade deadline with the shenanigans they tried to pull. Carolina flat out said they didn’t care.

It’s possible other teams didn’t care. With the reports of teams inquiring after Caserio saying he won’t back off his ask, after saying he’s not offering any concessions, & the way teams were wanting in after the first grand jury no bill, I’m sure there was a healthy market of teams willing to take the risk.

I just think he had so much baggage and had been playing in a cesspool that nobody but him could know all the details it would be dangerous to assume that you could know and verify all the possible contingencies associated with him and declare those to a suitor. Teams can say they didn’t care about his charges but if are selling your house and didn’t know anything about a major septic system problem about to break you are still going to get sued for not disclosing it to the buyer. It just didn’t seem like the NTC was driving those interviews because DW never invoked anything until the end.

 

[thunderkyss]

TK you do realize in the state of Texas it is actually a criminal offense to refuse to pay an employee right? Not to mention any lawyer would have taken the case on a pay upon win deal because it would be open and shut and that 167 million just became 500 million.

No. I don’t think this applies to contracted providers to the NFL or it’s affiliate members.

As far as the sand which shop goes I think that has more to do with Watson’s selfishness of not caring about anyone or anything but himself rather than actual lack of funds.

I’m sure

 

[thunderkyss]

nobody but him could know all the details it would be dangerous to assume that you could know and verify all the possible contingencies associated with him and declare those to a suitor.

I agree. Nobody but Watson new everything. Texans aren’t any more aware of the specifics than any other team & aren’t obligated to disclose anything they don’t know.

Nick pretty much put a big “As is, No Warranty” sign on Watson when he said there will be no contingencies.

if are selling your house and didn’t know anything about a major septic system problem about to break you are still going to get sued for not disclosing it to the buyer

Like hail I am

 

[JB]

Are you ignoring Wilson was disgruntled & had an NTC?

Wilson being a better person & more accomplished would definitely effect the value of compensation, I'm not arguing that.

But the way Seattle handled their situation is my evidence of how it should have been done.

Are you ignoring the fact that Wilson (and Ryan) were set to become FA's after next year? It was trade them now or risk them leaving anyway with no more compensation than a 3rd round comp pick? And Ryan was only traded because after the Watson fiasco,he told ATL that he would rather go play for Indy.

If I were Wilson I'd fire my agent & call Mulagetta

Perhaps Wilson has more honor than you do

 

[thunderkyss]

Are you ignoring the fact that Wilson (and Ryan) were set to become FA's after next year?

Should make Watson more tradeable not less

normally, you’d think Wilson would more likely get a new contract in conjunction with the trade, not Watson

 

[Dejaview]

I agree. Nobody but Watson new everything. Texans aren’t any more aware of the specifics than any other team & aren’t obligated to disclose anything they don’t know.

Nick pretty much put a big “As is, No Warranty” sign on Watson when he said there will be no contingencies.

Like hail I am

Lol, sure you would. This is Amerika. That’s why DW is like the house in this example. He is being sold with who knows what contingencies exist so the seller of the house lets the buyer’s home inspector ( DW interviewers) look at everything and sign off on it. Now you have a safety net.

 

[mws]

TK you do realize in the state of Texas it is actually a criminal offense to refuse to pay an employee right? Not to mention any lawyer would have taken the case on a pay upon win deal because it would be open and shut and that 167 million just became 500 million.

As far as the sand which shop goes I think that has more to do with Watson’s selfishness of not caring about anyone or anything but himself rather than actual lack of funds.

This is a messy question when it comes to Watson. You are obligated to pay an employee only if he performs the duties he is being compensated for. Try a little experiment tomorrow. Tell your bosses that you are going to come to work but that you are not going to do anything while you are there. See how far that gets you.

Of course Watson had guaranteed money that most of us don't have. With all the negative press & who knows what the future will bring as far as suspension goes I think the Texans did a good job unloading Watson while getting their compensation with no strings attached.

I did notice that the Browns reworked his contract & gave most of his 2022 money in a signing bonus. That way if he is suspended he only loses game checks which went from something like 2.1 million per game to 55k per game.

 

[Texansballer74]

Should make Watson more tradeable not less

normally, you’d think Wilson would more likely get a new contract in conjunction with the trade, not Watson

David and D-Fingers put a plan together and executed it to near perfection. If it wasn’t for those allegations, the plan would’ve went down last year. They played the Texan, leading them to believe he was their guy. They played the Browns with this outlandish contract. And furthermore they played the F out the NFL with that NTC and also knowing the commish wasn’t going to intervene on any of it.
Wilson had been the league a lot longer, had been very successful and has been a great example for those that want to play on that level. Even when he wanted out of Seattle, he conducted himself very professional and to the highest class. Him and his agent wasn’t trying to screw over the NFL by pulling a fast one with that NTC in his contract.

 

[thunderkyss]

This is a messy question when it comes to Watson.

Not really. There's precedence in the league. When teams have refused to pay players, the process goes to arbitration (players are not employees).

Everything the Texans had to deal with, surrounding Watson, has a precedence. This is the first time it was handled this way.

 

[thunderkyss]

Him and his agent wasn’t trying to screw over the NFL by pulling a fast one with that NTC in his contract.

IF his agent is worth a crap, they did try. Seattle said, "Nay-nay...."

 

[maverick512000]

This is a messy question when it comes to Watson. You are obligated to pay an employee only if he performs the duties he is being compensated for. Try a little experiment tomorrow. Tell your bosses that you are going to come to work but that you are not going to do anything while you are there. See how far that gets you.

Of course Watson had guaranteed money that most of us don't have. With all the negative press & who knows what the future will bring as far as suspension goes I think the Texans did a good job unloading Watson while getting their compensation with no strings attached.

I did notice that the Browns reworked his contract & gave most of his 2022 money in a signing bonus. That way if he is suspended he only loses game checks which went from something like 2.1 million per game to 55k per game.

You see this is the common misconception regarding Watson. He never technically refused to honor his contract. Oh sure he said he was unhappy and wouldn't play another down but when it actually came down to it he fulfilled all of his job roles. He showed up to mandatory training camp, he showed up for the games yes he never played a single game but that was the Texans that made that decision. To use your example you show up for work and your boss tells you your assignment today is to sit and watch everyone else work and you are still going to get paid.