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What Grade Did Caserio Get on Watson Trade?
- Thread starter TexansBull
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Who knows what their ol will look like in 2 years.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The topic is about grading the Texans on this trade. But somehow we’re talking about th Browns offense and etc. But my comment gets deleted for being off topic. Wow come on mods, why aren’t you deleting these other post that are not on topic?
Dejaview
All Pro
Then this boards posts would be reduced 75%. I think maybe folks are rightfully giddy coming out of this DW miasma.
I've been having issues accessing the site the last few days. Otherwise I'd have deleted them too. But I'm not going to go back now.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Most definitely, but any particular member shouldn’t be singled out. If you’re going to delete those comments that are not on topic , then delete them all.
Dejaview
All Pro
If it makes you feel better I get whacked more than a whack-a-mole at an Alabama county fair but I just consider the sources, lol. I’ve even deserved a few.
Hey if they delete everyone's posts that are off topic my post count would probably only be three.
With my rambling mind it would be easier for Deshaun to be content without the happy ending than it would be for me to stay on topic.
I not speaking for the other mods, I view threads as a conversation that you have with friends at bar, coffee shop, work break, etc. It starts one place and goes in different directions. As happened here, at somebody goes hey we were supposed to be talking about Watson and we are a little too far off now.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I have never in my life been talking with friends and said "Hey, we were supposed to be talking about X and we are a little far off now."
Just sayin.
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Good points. This is the way Texans Talk has always been, so we'll definitely have to do better as a mod team to keep ourselves from stifling on-going conversations as much as possible.
Obviously we don't want a No Spin Zone argument breaking out in a football thread (or anywhere on this forum
), but it is rare for threads to stay 100% on topic. Some should - like CnD's injury thread just to keep it focused - but other threads that come and go should get a little more leeway.
I have often, but I am also a career academic, nerd, egg-head where a conversation may start let's talk about -----
Jack Burton
Veteran
Seriously. What is the deal here with that?!?!?
Ive never been to a board and a mod was so power trippy as to attack the conversation of a bunch a guys talkin shop.
It’s odd and it was immediately noticeable as I’m a fairly new poster.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I loved people like this in group projects:
Because this was me in group projects. I was the worse:
Because this was me in group projects. I was the worse:
Texazan
Our HOF 34
Were you ever a member of the teams official message board before it shut down in 2018? I was a member since its inception in 99' and they had some real douche mods over there. They used some ridiculous point system and were always PMing you over the most mundane things. They had no life obviously. Glad I found this place. 100% better forum/members/mods. Now back to the topic on hand.....which I can't recall what it was....oh yes Nicks grade....
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Texazan
Our HOF 34
I have ADD. Ok I have ADHD and boy can I steer a converstaion off the rails
texanhead08
All Pro
I think they did pretty good on this trade considering with the no trade their options were limited.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Jeez. That’s just pathetic. Like a fan social credit score.
FFS…
vtech9
All Pro
I can't remember when I left the "official" boards. I was a member of the original board, and another MB, before everything changed. Hell, I can't remember how many MBs we had back then. I know there were very few people like liked the "Official" MBs when they changed.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I joined that message board in 2004 or 2005 iirc. Gratefully I was directed to this message board by Vinny who no longer posts here. I am still extremely grateful to him.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
This still boggles my mind. The second largest trade in NFL history, free up a massive amount of cap space, remove a PR nightmare who may still get suspended or put on CEL who also had a NTC so he could nix any trade he didn't like AND send your problem child to one of the worst organizations with some of the worst weather and playing in what maybe the best division and some of you still think this was a bad trade? Its like you people expected to get all of a teams picks and all their best players all while telling Watson to sit down and shut up.
Tell me how exactly was Caserio or anybody suppose to do better?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Some were expecting all those picks plus at least one top tier player. It would have been nice but then you gotta pay that top tier player and that may not have gelled with what Carstereo has planned so now they are having a hissy fit.
michaelm
vox nihili
Don't know if it's true but there was speculation that the Browns were guilty of tampering because they didn't ask for permission to contact Watson again on Friday after they were ruled out as an option on Thursday.
The rumor is that Caserio told them he'd need an extra pick to make it good.
I heard this on 610 yesterday
Jack Burton
Veteran
I was guilty of this. i originally said HOU wasn’t getting this insane haul of picks and players but as this fustercluck continued, I started thinking more would be added due to a insane bidding war, and low and behold it was never a legitimate scenario.
So some are flustered.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
With Twitter and other media apps these days franchises can guage what a likely response will be on any particular issue. Some likely wisely pulled out thus reducing the competition.
What we must keep in mind is the fact this was the second biggest haul of draft picks in NFL history! Those who continue to complain will never acknowledge that or be satisfied.
They should be thankful O'Brien was not GM else we likely only get a bag of Doritos.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
If it was just the Texans teams had to deal with we most likely would have had the bidding war. The wild card was the NTC which means ultimately teams had to sell it to Watson just as much as they did the Texans. The moment Browns said they would guarantee the entire contract and give him a raise and Saints and Falcons wouldn't that was it the decision was made.
The official board actually became this board probably at least 10 years ago now. I don't remember the reason the Texans didn't like hosting a message board at this moment.
an extra 4th round pick in place of Garrett & Hunt...
yeah, that makes since.
if you are Bill O'Brien
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
We were never going to get Garret and/or Hunt and there was nothing that could be done to force it. The only other option was to nix all the trades, let Watson ride the bench another year while paying him 35 million, have the NFL lower the hammer on us because he is still a Texan and then watch next year as his value goes down and, guess what, we still don't get premier players.
At this point TK I really don't know if you honestly believe we could have gotten more or are just trolling.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
The mother upgraded to new forum software that sucked and THEY LOST ALL OUR SMILIES!!!
So they gave the smilies and old software to Texans Talk and most of us migrated over here.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Given what @CloakNNNdagger posted about another GJ investigating Watson I'm just going to go ahead and say I think Caserio fleeced Cleveland on this one even without any players.
Well said. I think the local media did a terrible job of setting fan expectations for this trade. They were never realistic and most of their trade projections were apparently pulled out of their backsides.
And their initial reactions last Friday did nothing to bring Texans fans down to Earth.
The truth (to me) is Caserio did a magnificent job of managing Watson's ego while being patient and navigating the NFL shark tank. He was in complete control over who could even have access to Watson. At no point did Watson set the terms of dropping his NTC for a specific team without Caserio approving that team first. So no Seattle, no San Fran, no Steelers, or whoever else that Watson could have picked.
Fans wanted players, but I think Caserio saw more value in picking his own players and starting fresh with their rookie contracts.
As long as Caserio makes good choices with those picks, the Texans will come out of this entire mess in good shape and hopefully having learned some valuable lessons.
Looking at Vinny's posts in the lounge and the original forum was transferred to Texans Talk in 2007. So 15 years ago! Crazy how time flies.
The Texans went with a new website package that happened to have had a very basic forum feature, which ended up being the "official" forum that they finally closed in 2018 after struggling for years. They tried to get Vinny to run it, but none of us were interested and we all migrated to here.
At the time, I remember Vinny talking about how other teams (he also ran the 49er forum) took care of their admins/mods and cared about their forums, but the Texans brass never saw value in it and actually disliked hosting an opinion site that allowed criticism of their franchise. So it was never a surprise when the Texans finally cut it from their website completely.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I believe my opinion on this matter is well-known. I will only repeat some of the things I have said such as comments from several people believing Nick Caserio wanted three round ones, two second-round picks and 2 young preferably defensive players on rookie deals. Do we absolutely know that ever occurred? No however we do know that many people repeated it from different sources. It's up to us as individuals to decide what we believe. Same as with what Caserio could or should do with Watson and his no trade clause. Each of us gets to decide what we think Watson or any Texans player would be worth in a draft. Are our opinions realistic? I think your evaluation is based upon what you think such as just getting Watson out of Houston. For me it was a done deal that he would never play another Snap so I did not figure it into the trade evaluation.
Evaluating the trade is exactly like evaluating Combine results and statistics of college players, offensive and defensive schemes and skill sets of players. It is all in the eye of the beholder.
I have seen no one here post that they wanted all of any teams players or pics. Also Nick Caserio did not "get" any of the package for Watson as it was given to him by Cleveland and he was basically told to take it or leave it. Of course that is my opinion just like your comments are yours.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
What a refreshing change that would be. I'm still on hold with Casino Caserio until this free agent season and the draft is over with. Then I shall proclaim judgement on Caserio.
And please, don't anyone remind me we have to wait a while on whether the draft was any good or not. I can use my excellent and never-wrong judgmental process on Caserio at any time. Just ask SteelB.
I give Caserio an A.
Got rid of an overrated selfish POS, the distraction that his pathetic life was, and his albotross of a contract.....for multiple impact draft picks. No more of Watson calling his own number in the red zone 99% of the time with his 1 yard keepers and his 2 yard passes to the TE so that he can artificially boost his numbers. I told you all from day 1 this guy was all about himself, but nobody wanted to hear it.
Once his new contract would've kicked in, the Texans never would've been able to surround him with the necessary talent he would've needed to take this team to the next level. He couldn't even take a superior roster to any more wins than a rookie with an much inferior roster could. Them 1 yard TD runs that any other team would give to their RB sure looked good on paper though, right? As Cleveland will find out, this gutter rat is nowhere near capable of carrying a team thru the playoffs on his own. I still look back and laugh at how befuddled he was against Matt Eberflus and the Colts in the playoffs back in 2019, at home to boot. And thats the guy who's now making 230 million gauraunteed.....lol.
Good luck Cleveland, you're gonna need it with this narcissistic scumbag fraud. And well done Caserio.
Got rid of an overrated selfish POS, the distraction that his pathetic life was, and his albotross of a contract.....for multiple impact draft picks. No more of Watson calling his own number in the red zone 99% of the time with his 1 yard keepers and his 2 yard passes to the TE so that he can artificially boost his numbers. I told you all from day 1 this guy was all about himself, but nobody wanted to hear it.
Once his new contract would've kicked in, the Texans never would've been able to surround him with the necessary talent he would've needed to take this team to the next level. He couldn't even take a superior roster to any more wins than a rookie with an much inferior roster could. Them 1 yard TD runs that any other team would give to their RB sure looked good on paper though, right? As Cleveland will find out, this gutter rat is nowhere near capable of carrying a team thru the playoffs on his own. I still look back and laugh at how befuddled he was against Matt Eberflus and the Colts in the playoffs back in 2019, at home to boot. And thats the guy who's now making 230 million gauraunteed.....lol.
Good luck Cleveland, you're gonna need it with this narcissistic scumbag fraud. And well done Caserio.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
You say that is your opinion, though you state it as fact, but we know that is not the case. Teams were not even allowed to talk to Watson unless they met the ante up price otherwise do you really think there was only 4 teams that had an interest? BB this is where your trade scenarios never make sense, its like you base things off only one team or party setting all the terms. Its why I have pointed out in some of your trade threads the the one thing you haven't factored in is that the other team has to agree to it. Well this is it in reverse, you seem to have not factored in that the Texans had to agree to the deal as well. Or do you really believe Cleveland wanted to give up their next three 1st rounds picks and then several later picks?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well I disagree with your premise as I always look at the receiving team I want to trade with to see if it makes a good deal for them. Again your belief in mine do not have to line up. For example I thought laremy tunsil to Miami Dolphins for either 1.29 and their 2.50 was a deal that both teams would accept. Of course I do not know that but they can be said of anything that we post basically on this message board.
No team wants to give up anything for any player but do recognize the value and whether they want to meet it or not. That's just silly on your part but carry on.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes it’s can be frustrating but we always have to remember. What we think they should get, more and likely won’t be what they will get. Gotta set the bar low brother. Just like all of our mock drafts. I know one particular member will go over board once the Texans are done with the draft. We all know they will not draft the players we think they should draft.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They were apart of the original trade proposal. But after Watson’s team called them back. They took that proposal off the table. If Watson would’ve selected them at first, those two would’ve been Texans.
lol
I look forward to your comments if/when the draft doesn’t go as you think it should.
I have not once argued we could/should have gotten more.
The post you quoted had absolutely nothing about getting more.
Out of charity I ask you to re-read what you quoted & think about why you responded as you did. Perhaps it says more about you than it does about me
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Were they though? I know Caserio talked about wanting players but I have a really hard time seeing Cleveland as willing to give up all those picks and their best defense and offense weapons. They are looking to win now and that would have dramatically lowered their odds. Also my understanding was it was Cleveland that called Watson's agent and asked to be let back into the game and bought their way in with the guaranteed money.
Texian
Hall of Fame
In Lovie we trust......unless of course we start off with a 4.60 safety or a crippled CB.
This is where I disagree.
No one should ever have had access to Watson.
No one had access to the disgruntled Russell Wilson.
Believe what you will, but it was reported several teams were making inquiry about Watson even after it was reported again & again that Nick was not backing off the asking price.
You can call it wasting his time, but Seattle worked out a deal with WFT, presented it to Wilson who turned it down. They then worked out another deal presented it to Wilson, he accepted it.
Watson was coddled & stroked by Casserio overly concerned with what Watson wanted.