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DW4 Traded to Cleveland

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Number19 said:
Carolina doesn't have a 2022 2nd round pick, or a 3rd round pick. Puts them behind in the Watson race.
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Ugh. Make it a 2023 2nd then.
Who knows what SEA has to offer? Man, they gave up a ton for Adams, I don’t even know what they have anymore with the Wilson trade.
 
Jack Burton said:
  • Panthers get: Deshaun Watson
  • Texans get: 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick, 2022 second-round pick, Christian McCaffrey, Jeremy Chinn
    Yeah, or Nay?
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I take it you mean 2024. Texans original asking price would add 3rd RD in 2024 so I would say you are very close. Carolina does not have 2022 2nd RD so it would be a 2023 2nd RD and a 2024 3rd RD. Don't know about players. Carolina right now is #1 on my list.
 
If you take a look at an updated draft order (I found mine at Great Blue North) it's not looking good to capitalize, in a big way, on Watson in the 2022 draft. There just aren't many teams with multiple picks. The Jets are out (Zach Wilson) and who would go to Detroit. That leaves the Giants and the Eagles with multiple 1st's; and Philly has multiple 2nd's as well.

Maybe Watson will reconsider Philly.

Otherwise, Seattle looks pretty good with Denver's 1/9 and picks 40 and 41 in the 2nd.

Outside of these, we'll have to settle for simply one extra first and second (plus additional later round picks of course). Additional compensation will have to be pushed to 2023 and 2024.

So, in our best interests, it comes down to Watson agreeing to NY Giants, Philadelphia Eagles and Seattle Seahawks.
 
Number19 said:
Wish Watson would reconsider the Big Apple. The Giants would be a great destination and trade partner; and think of the rivalry between Watson and Zach Wilson.
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Wish he would reconsider Houston. To one degree or another, draft picks are probabilities. How probable is it that Texans draft a player of the same quality as Watson? How many picks would it take to considerably raise that probability?

I understand that the chances of Watson returning to play for the Texans again is slim to none. But I'm back to where I was before this whole mess - the Texans aren't going to get equal return for Watson. It would be better if the Texans retained Watson.
 
banned1976 said:
Wish he would reconsider Houston. To one degree or another, draft picks are probabilities. How probable is it that Texans draft a player of the same quality as Watson? How many picks would it take to considerably raise that probability?

I understand that the chances of Watson returning to play for the Texans again is slim to none. But I'm back to where I was before this whole mess - the Texans aren't going to get equal return for Watson. It would be better if the Texans retained Watson.
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That bridge is burned and it's an untenable position for both Watson and the franchise. - but you know that.

Sounds like you want a huge return. Sounds like you want established players more then picks. Sounds like you've already decided to hate the trade before it happens?
 
Number19 said:
If you take a look at an updated draft order (I found mine at Great Blue North) it's not looking good to capitalize, in a big way, on Watson in the 2022 draft. There just aren't many teams with multiple picks. The Jets are out (Zach Wilson) and who would go to Detroit. That leaves the Giants and the Eagles with multiple 1st's; and Philly has multiple 2nd's as well.

Maybe Watson will reconsider Philly.

Otherwise, Seattle looks pretty good with Denver's 1/9 and picks 40 and 41 in the 2nd.

Outside of these, we'll have to settle for simply one extra first and second (plus additional later round picks of course). Additional compensation will have to be pushed to 2023 and 2024.

So, in our best interests, it comes down to Watson agreeing to NY Giants, Philadelphia Eagles and Seattle Seahawks.
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Giants would be optimal with those high 1’s
 
banned1976 said:
How probable is it that Texans draft a player of the same quality as Watson?
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Good question. Sexual Assault allegations aside... he came out of nowhere with this, "won't play for Houston" crap before the ink on his $100M guaranteed contract dried.

Look what's happening around the league. Aaron Rogers didn't do that. Russell Wilson didn't. Matt freaking Stafford didn't do that.

He might win a Super Bowl one day. But it won't be in Houston. Never would have been in Houston. Not with whatever is going on in his head
 
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thunderkyss said:
He might win a Super Bowl one day. But it won't be in Houston. Never would have been in Houston. Not with whatever is going on in his head
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Curious to see how he rebounds off a full year. He may be better? He probably won't be.

When he is traded, schedulers will be sure to make his 1st game against us a prime time event.
 
SnakeEyes said:
50% done now if all 22 settle we can do something. If not...we wait
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Not sure I agree. Watson was already out a year. That will be taken into account with any suspension I think.

The league will take "some action" against him because it has to for publicity sake. I think a deal can be done before the Civil is finalized. Jmo
 
Texian said:
The higher football IQ will wait until 2022 to trade DW4. The lower football IQ will not.
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Texian said:
The reason why you now wait until after the season to trade DW4 is after today the Vikings, Giants, Falcons, Dolphins, Panthers, Broncos, Saints, Washington, and Steelers will need a QB.
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Texian said:
Probably neither. I don't see any jail time for wiggling his weenie. Money talks, BS walks. This will be a cash settlement. All the plaintiffs and lawyers walk away happy. Everyone is in it for the money. DW4 will want to settle early so he can get on with his life.
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Texian said:
I'm still of the opinion that the more players seated at the poker table is a good thing. Another thing that has been a constant is you can usually count on at least one high risk big reach gambler.
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UUUMMMM UUUMMMM MALI MALI MAKI UUUMMMM. Boy did a I get ration of it from the Kool Aid Brigade for the above comments. DW4 will be traded before the draft. I would not be surprised to see him gone in 2 weeks or less.
 
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At first I thought Seatlle made sense but have sense reversed my thinking. Seahawks are in the process of selling the team. May be why they're cleaning up their balance sheet, trading Wilson cutting Wagner. Can't imagine doing anything that might jeopardize a sale or asking price. Plus Watson may be persona non grata in Seattle.
 
Texian said:
UUUMMMM UUUMMMM MALI MALI MAKI UUUMMMM. Boy did a I get ration of it from the Kool Aid Brigade for the above comments. DW4 will be traded before the draft. I would not be surprised to see him gone in 2 weeks or less.
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Hopefully Monday morning. Nick has probably been on the phone all day. I'm sure he's going to be very busy this weekend.
 
Texian said:
UUUMMMM UUUMMMM MALI MALI MAKI UUUMMMM. Boy did a I get ration of it from the Kool Aid Brigade for the above comments. DW4 will be traded before the draft. I would not be surprised to see him gone in 2 weeks or less.
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I didn't read anything above outlandish and i agree with your quotes.

Your no nostradamus. Sorry you caught hell for it. I got some of the same for saying "innocent till proven guilty."
 
Number19 said:
Seattle does not have their own 1st round pick. They have their 2nd and 3rd. They have Denver's 1st (#9) and 2nd (#40) in 2022 and again in 2023.
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As I do not think Watson will go to Seattle I am hoping they use their 9, 40 + 41 to get Pick 3. That's very close in the draft point ranking chart. Watson wants to go to New York and the Jets have a horrible quarterback in Wilson. Jets head coach Saleh may be able to turn the defense around sooner rather than later and Watson may wanting to build his brand and go there if Giants are truly out. I think Jilly would like New York.
 
When the Giants owner commented about being “out” on Watson- I believe the first thing he listed was his legal issues and their cap situation. We know the cap situation can be fixed relatively easily with some maneuvering…

It would not shock me if the Giants got back involved in this thing. I’m not buying that they’re comfortable with Daniel Jones running it back.
 
badboy said:
That's very close in the draft point ranking chart.
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A system created by Jimmy Johnson in the early 90's. I'd be curious to see how close teams adhere to it in recent years...(?)

Sorry. To many variables at play. I don't think it should be considered a standard of any sort.
 
Number19 said:
If you take a look at an updated draft order (I found mine at Great Blue North) it's not looking good to capitalize, in a big way, on Watson in the 2022 draft. There just aren't many teams with multiple picks. The Jets are out (Zach Wilson) and who would go to Detroit. That leaves the Giants and the Eagles with multiple 1st's; and Philly has multiple 2nd's as well.

Maybe Watson will reconsider Philly.

Otherwise, Seattle looks pretty good with Denver's 1/9 and picks 40 and 41 in the 2nd.

Outside of these, we'll have to settle for simply one extra first and second (plus additional later round picks of course). Additional compensation will have to be pushed to 2023 and 2024.

So, in our best interests, it comes down to Watson agreeing to NY Giants, Philadelphia Eagles and Seattle Seahawks.
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DBCooper said:
I’m thinking a multi-team mega deal.
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As in..?
 
Probably missed this as I haven't been around much lately, but is there any consensus on whether Watson's civil suits will need to be settled prior to a team trading for him?
 
Max said:
Probably missed this as I haven't been around much lately, but is there any consensus on whether Watson's civil suits will need to be settled prior to a team trading for him?
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No. Criminal was the defining issue and that hurdles been leaped.
 
Number19 said:
I know Watson nixed Philly, but has there been any indication how he feels about NY?
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Just to clarify, he nixed Philly before they went to the playoffs. Watson with that roster would take them deeper in 2022 than Jalen hurts. The three round ones are just short of pick one in the draft points and Watson is worth more than that.

When his demands for a trade first became known many outside of Houston and including in Philadelphia were saying that Philadelphia's three round ones in this draft would be partial trade for him and there's no reason to think that has changed.

15 +16+19 +51 +Hurts = to a 2nd and extremely cheap backup or good trade bait for Houston is a starting point with some picks in future ;that allows Eagles to move forward in 2023 but still helps the Texans.
 
Max said:
Understood that that was the big hurdle. But seems like a trade partner might want civil settled as well as hearing from the league on any punishment, no?
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Dw just sat out a season. He'll get some kind of punishment from the league I imagine but it won't be severe. Civilly, it will effect his $ and reputation far more then play time.
 
Texian said:
At first I thought Seatlle made sense but have sense reversed my thinking. Seahawks are in the process of selling the team. May be why they're cleaning up their balance sheet, trading Wilson cutting Wagner. Can't imagine doing anything that might jeopardize a sale or asking price. Plus Watson may be persona non grata in Seattle.
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? I miss that. I know Denver is for sale but Seattle? Can you please provide information of anything you have found as that would be very interesting.
 
Htown Legend said:
When the Giants owner commented about being “out” on Watson- I believe the first thing he listed was his legal issues and their cap situation. We know the cap situation can be fixed relatively easily with some maneuvering…

It would not shock me if the Giants got back involved in this thing. I’m not buying that they’re comfortable with Daniel Jones running it back.
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I think the Giants owner was just saving face but now that Watson has been no billed he should be in it
 
Double Barrel said:
He won't be able to wield his NTC if he's playing on the Mean Machine. lol



It's like blaming Warren Moon for the defense and team blowing a 33 point lead in less than a half of football. It's blinder vision at its finest.
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I'm the guy who blames Moon, he blew that lead and yes the defense contributed. But a true leader of men wouldn't have melted when things went bad. Bad leadership from the Csalhoun's down contributed to that crap. We relived the Moon yrs, only this time there was social media.
 
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