This post is where we disagree and with his current civil cases up in the air it's doubtful that Caserio gets as much as Schnieder got for Wilson. Another reason is that Derrick isn't a top 5 QB.
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This post is where we disagree and with his current civil cases up in the air it's doubtful that Caserio gets as much as Schnieder got for Wilson. Another reason is that Derrick isn't a top 5 QB.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Source: Panthers plan 'aggressive' Watson offer
The Carolina Panthers will make an "aggressive" offer for Deshaun Watson as soon as the Houston quarterback waives his no-trade clause for them to negotiate with the Texans, a league source told ESPN.www.espn.com
This article definitely makes it sound like Deshaun would waive his NTC for Carolina
Panthers have some good young talent that can take the place of their missing 2nd/3rd round picks in a trade.
I’m looking at Brian Burns and DJ Moore first for the players added to a trade. Get an edge rusher and add a stud WR for Mills. Article says Jeremy Chinn is off the table but if Lovie and Caserio said they need him i’m sure it can be arranged.
CMC is a wildcard of course. Not sure if his days of being a healthy bellcow are behind him. RB shelf life is short.
That # 6 pick opens up a lot of possibilities as well for another blue chip talent.
This is why this team is going to be screwed for the next decade. Who will be making the final calls in FA/Drafrt? Caserio, like Calhoun said or Lovie?
GanadoUHCoog
Waterboy
I don’t love that New Orleans can only offer the 18th this year. They’d have to follow up with 2023 and 2024 ones and multiple players or seconds to close the deal IMO. They could have an amazing offense with DW and their skill players.
Number19
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Good read. Lays it all out. But Carolina doesn't have a 2nd or 3rd pick this year. My preferred trade would be with Philly, first choice, with NY Giants a close second choice, depending on who offered up the most.Source: Panthers plan 'aggressive' Watson offer
The Carolina Panthers will make an "aggressive" offer for Deshaun Watson as soon as the Houston quarterback waives his no-trade clause for them to negotiate with the Texans, a league source told ESPN.
This article definitely makes it sound like Deshaun would waive his NTC for Carolina
Texian
Hall of Fame
From everything I've seen since Lovie has been hired, this is Lovie's team. From the Caserio interviews I've watched after Lovie was hired IMO Caserio appears resolved to doing what he did in New England, orchestrate the scouting department and scouting reports. Preparing them for Lovie and his staff review. Caserio appeared OK with this because this is what he knows. Nick is an administrator. He is not a manager. Lovie and his staff make decisions on FA and draft picks and Caserio will be responsible for making it happen. IMHO.
I don’t think the league will take any action. Why would they? There will be no criminal charges, it’s as if he did nothing wrong.
The civil suits are going to play out as disagreements between consenting adults. Accusations of rape are going to be deemed “baseless”.
We’ll pay more attention to the trials than anyone else.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I hope not. Caserio should be making the final decision on personel, but with major input from the coaching staff and scouting department.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I tend to agree, but the league could slap him with violation of Covid protocols repeatedly I guess. One way to still punish his stupidity
Texansballer74
The Marine
He will more and likely be suspended for his bad conduct that got him into this situation. Very unprofessional on all fronts. Sex harassment should get him 4-6 games
Doubt it. Sexual harassment is a criminal charge. There is no evidence of sexual harassment, or assault.
The league has already investigated & supposedly still “investigating” he hasn’t been suspended. Most likely won’t.
Htown Legend
Noob
GanadoUHCoog
Waterboy
My guess is he gets suspended 6-8 but reduced to 4-6 on appeal which is only about 1/4 of the season. It won’t stop teams from trading him. I think the bigger factor is teams would like to hear that movement is imminent or planned on settling the civil cases. Ideally I think teams would prefer those are closed up prior to a team trading for him but I don’t think it is a showstopper.
Roethlisberger got suspended 6 games for no charges though it got reduced to 4. But that was for one woman.
GanadoUHCoog
Waterboy
I hear that Carolina wants him but doesn’t want to mortgage their future. Sorry Carolina, you want a top 10 QB in his 20s? He is your future and you can scrape things together around him. I’ll take whatever else I please off our your table (multiple 1s, 2s, players and maybe even some later picks just because). Caserio hold firm and get MAX value from someone!
GanadoUHCoog
Waterboy
That’s why I think 8 or 10 games reduced to 6 sounds about right.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly lol
badboy
Hall of Fame
Thanks for the insider view and all you said was my understanding. I read somewhere in ~ 2019 maybe that Jody considers herself a "football girl" and in NFL 100%. Also considers the Seahawks her brother's legacy to the city. I don't doubt Seattle wants DW but can you offer anything on why he might go there? I am interested in Seattle's now #9 +40+41 and a first and second following draft but what players? This would barely surpass what your team got for Wilson and I think Caserio wants much more.
From a few days ago "“The ideology there was always defense first, kicking game, punt the ball, field position, forced turnovers, and then hand the ball over to Russ at the end of the game and say, ‘Go be magic.’ I just think it was part of Russell’s frustration. I think it’s why he said, ‘I want to go somewhere where this is going to be an offensive, quarterback-driven team every Sunday with the ball in my hand, like Aaron Rodgers.'” from Greg Olsen https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-west/se...t-on-why-russell-wilson-wanted-out-of-seattle
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Dejaview
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Nobody on this board has any idea of which teams he would exercise his NTC for. He first has to find a team because he may have been no billed but his character is on the 50 yard line with all the lights focused on it. And the NFL just might be ready to exercise their punishment phase which just might be as hard as he wants to make it.
You do realize that Jody Allen is Paul Allen's sister?
Exactly, God'ell could say you need to accept the trade to Cleveland and if you do we will give you a 4 game suspension. Turn down the trade and be prepared to sit out all yr.
badboy
Hall of Fame
As DW is a Texan I believe that would be tampering. Caserio might be selective in giving permission to teams to speak to the agent.
Hottoddie
Veteran
For those that think teams are going to hold back on seeking a trade for Watson until the NFL decides whether or not to suspend him, you're missing the boat. He's 26 years old, locked into a long term contract & considered one of the most talented QB's in the game. Even if he's suspended for an entire year (which I don't think will happen), do any of you really think that team would pass on the chance to trade for a franchise QB that has already proven on the field that he's an NFL franchise QB & not a potential franchise QB? I didn't think so.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Well I don’t think you will see any strong arming like that? But I guess my point is that I have never seen anything but hearsay on which teams he will waive the NTC for. And if he did that would have been some time ago. He may have a NTC but first some team he wants to go to may not want him and secondly the Texans don’t have to make the trade. The world doesn’t revolve around DW Like he may have thought all his life. he can easily be sat down this coming season until time and injuries may make some team meet the Texans demands and DW will have to make up his mind how bad he wants to play football. I know the Texans want the picks this year but if he gets suspended before the season the Texans can just sit on him. NC has said a million times that the Texans are going to do what is best for the Texans.
badboy
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It's good to see others joining me and Optimistic in trade scenarios! Due to what I want and players I think are going to be available, I prefer Eagles trade but would push to include #19 drop # 83 and the 2023 round 2. So 15+16+19+51 + 2023 round 1 which is equated to round two this season. I would agree to take Hurts as he probably will not want to go through that again as he did in college & cost only $1m each next two seasons for a Mills backup.
I would be okay with the Seattle package just do not see DW going plus we could swap 1.3 for 9 +40+ 41.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Deshaun Watson trade market expanding since legal ruling
Teams showing interest in acquiring Watson
Carolina Panthers
Cleveland Browns
Seattle Seahawks
New Orleans Saints
Minnesota Vikings
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Which teams are out of the Watson sweepstakes?
Washington Commanders
Denver Broncos
Miami Dolphins
New York Giants
Philadelphia Eagles
badboy
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I had a thought out lengthy reply but deleted somehow. sigh. Will try again.
I like Moore but do not see him hanging around after this 5th season when he can grab $ in off season. Burns? Now you talking; I looked at him last year as a possible trade & would not only take him but try to extend during the later part of 2023 to avoid his 5th year costs.
Chinn is a must! I compare him favorably to Hamilton and he has a year in NFL so know what we get. Combine He posted 41-inch vertical jump and a 138-inch broad jump to go with a 4.45-second 40-yard dash. Chinn also did 20 reps at 225 pounds on the bench press.
My position: Burns, Chinn, Moore +1.6 plus round 1 in 2023 and 2024.
Bluehen Texan
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I feel the same for the most part. Most importantly I hope strength and love for any victim to heal. F any victimizer forever and always. On the other hand, I want to get fair compensation and move on. I can’t wait for the Texans to be done with this.
TheRealJoker
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Yes Moore could leave. But Texans will be flushed with cap space and able to pay top dollar if him and Mills prove to have a connection.
Moore has dealt with QB issues going back to college and continued to perform. Him and Cooks would give Mills two of the most consistent WRs in the league!
Burns and Chinn would go a long way toward rebuilding the defense for sure.
Htown Legend
Noob
This is interesting as hell to me. If anybody cares to chime in, are y’all reading this as Caserio requesting Deshaun to completely waive his NTC altogether? Or for any particular team before even negotiating?
TexansFan15
All Pro
As a person with a background in this area it’s very hard to find “beyond reasonable doubt evidence” that a prosecutor could go to trial.
I feel bad for the women as well.
Texansballer74
The Marine
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I think team dw said pretend the ntc isn't there. Present 3-4 options and we'll mull it over.
badboy
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hoping you are correct on Moore but why should he remain rather than go play for a passing QB that offers him better stats and chance to win?
Caserio can request whatever he wants. But he has zero leverage in forcing Watson to drop the NTC.
badboy
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that's Troy Chapman who used to post here frequently and I respect his POVs. Jason Fitzgerald at overthecap.com invited Troy to join him as he often quoted Troy. Strong move by Nick and let's see how he does. He may agree to Detroit for example being off table.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I don't even try to guess anymore how the NFL will discipline a player for misconduct (alleged or real). Watson could be suspended no games or 17.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
He does have leverage. Watson can't afford to miss 2 seasons in the prime of his career. He'll want to put this behind him. He just wants to make sure he isn't dealt away to a place like Detroit.
badboy
Hall of Fame
$35 m cash and Cal's ears just went on high alert.
And Caserio can't threaten to keep Watson on the roster and pay him $35 million to not play. Mutual self destruction keeps Caserio from playing that card.
It shouldn't be an issue. Watson should be able to find a team Caserio can deal with.
True. I think the Texans were already prepared to possibly have Watson on the team this year. They can always tell him to accept a trade where the Texans want to send him or not get paid a dime when he refuses to play. Oh and they will try and force him to play if he refuses trades. He half-a**es it? Suspension for Conduct Detrimental to the Team. No pay. I'm not saying the Texans have a ton of leverage, but they have more than people here acknowledge.
To me it sounds like both parties are set up perfectly to cut off their nose to spite their face.
Only way I would say let him rot on the bench is if it looks like OB is brokering the trade for our side.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Then why didn't we cut him when this started?
He has trade value. His rights are owned for the foreseeable future by the Texans. He's not going anywhere without our consent and that is leverage. He can ruin our cap. The Texans can ruin his career. If he wants to play, he'll answer the phone.
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If true,
Caserio is attempting to create some sort of bidding war and/or get Watson's camp to name the teams he wishes to go. I don't blame him for not wanting his time wasted, when the deal could just nixed by Watson.
They wouldn't. They do not want Watson playing for the Texans.
GanadoUHCoog
Waterboy
My thought is Caserio wants Watson to contractually release to him the teams he will accept a trade to. Even if it is only 3-4 teams it is likely they are all interested and Caserio can drive them up in price by saying Watson has green lighted a trade to them but there are “several” others he has done so for as well. I
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
It’s a huge oversight that there wasn’t wording in the contract that meant it was waived upon the player requesting a trade.
Another wording that would have helped would be for future bonuses to be contingent on loyalty.
IE, you request a trade and you remove a chunk of guarantees from your contract, meaning that as a team we now don’t lose this massive cap hit to trade you.
But it seems like the balance of power has shifted somewhat, if Watson wants to get back on the field, and also with the QB market having been moved on a step, he has reason to work with the Texans to some extent to get there.
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