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Is It time to fire David Culley after 1 year?
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I don’t want to be your buddy, friend.
The GM and HC get graded differently. The GM fills in the hole the previous admin left. Then the HC builds on top of it. Can’t build until the hole is filled.
If Caserio is a real buddy then he would fill in the hole and get it ready for McDaniels. So McDaniels can hit the ground running.
That’s what I would want my buddy to do. Call me when he is ready. It would be mutually beneficial.
It was probably sold on the plane ride with McNair.
It was probably planned between NC and JM after Easterby tried to poach NC the first time. They wanted OB gone for McDaniels to come in with a clean slate. Maybe Easterby knew all along and influenced the bad trades and contracts so OB would get fired.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
It all goes back to the hiring of Culley. Why Culley? He's a nobody. He was hired to be Bo Porter, and that's it. Once the roster starts looking like a real NFL roster, they'll bring in a much better qualified NFL HC.
Now I don't know if McDaniels is for sure the guy, but seeing how the Texans do things in a we're not Patriots south but we really are kind of way, I feel pretty confident that's how it will play out. But even if I end up being wrong on that, it won't be Culley. It was never going to be Culley.
I'm looking at what the the Patriots are today and how they're performing with a rookie QB under McDaniels coaching.
BTW, you could say that about any asst coach they would hire. What's Bienemy won without Mahomes? Tomlin without Big Ben? McCarthy/La Fleur without Rodgers? Landry without Staubach? Shanny without Elway. Dungy/Kubiak without Manning? I think you get the point.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
You've got to realize too that Culley is likely 32nd among NFL HCs in salary, and probably by a longshot. Sure, you could have signed a HC, McDaniels, whoever, and have the 3 years no expectations or whatever, but you're not signing McDaniels for as little as you're paying Culley.
As a Texans fan. I hope you are right in your optimism for what's happening on Kirby. I believe there are multiple ways to win championships without going through this GM and VP of football Ops top down approach. I believe culture and winning is a bottoms up process that starts from the HC, his staff and players.
Even when Belichick started with the Patriots. It was the holdover players from the Parcells era who drove the culture and set the standard and it permeated the organization and became the Patriots Way. As those players left, Belichick and Brady continued that standard. It was something that was organic and then matured. It wasn't this front office process that is going on at NRG. Like I said. I hope you are right. Time will tell.
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KoolAid Sipper
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I'd been searching for that for a while and couldn't find anything on Culley's salary. This doesn't have it but gives perspective of what it could be if he were near the bottom.
Average NFL Head Coach Salary: How Much Do NFL Head Coaches Make in a Year? - The SportsRush
Being a head coach in the NFL is arguably one of the most difficult tasks in sports. While the job security is low, coaches are well-compensated financially.
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I cannot believe the Jags would give Urban Meyer $12 Million (reportedly) or the Panthers paying Matt Ruhle $8.5 Million. That's nuts!I'd been searching for that for a while and couldn't find anything on Culley's salary. This doesn't have it but gives perspective of what it could be if he were near the bottom.
Average NFL Head Coach Salary: How Much Do NFL Head Coaches Make in a Year? - The SportsRush
Being a head coach in the NFL is arguably one of the most difficult tasks in sports. While the job security is low, coaches are well-compensated financially.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Job security…..that’ll be the biggest calling card. As long as the Patriots are winning…and from what I can see, Jones could make this another long term run at success…Belichick will probably remain with the team. What does this mean for Josh McDaniels? It means he could remain the best man for much longer than he has any desire to do so.
I just got a feeling that Caserio has set the coaching staff for McDaniels eventual arrival at Kirby. I’m still feeling that this could happen at the end of season. Mills is the #2 rookie QB in the NFL this season and has all the qualities needed to operate McDaniels offense once some holes on the offense are addressed in the 2022 NFL Draft.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
That’s why all of us are on a message board versus sitting in a corporate office on Kirby exchanging ideas as how we would fix a historically broken organization. The Texans have been throwing contracts around and paying those contracts to a bunch suits who’ve never put it all together for the past 20+ years.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Hindsight is a beautiful thing & it’s easy to say something was a bad decision when you know the outcome beforehand. That’s why I don’t criticize The Texans FO too much. They had to make their decisions real time and live & die with those decisions with no crystal ball b/c that’s the name of the game.
Furthermore making all the right decisions still doesn’t guarantee anything & very easily could still give rise to other problems or bad decisions…those decisions weren’t made in a vacuum.
Not paying Duane Brown which was hailed as a good decision by some here b/c they didn’t like how he went about it with his holdout & b/c he was coming off injury….well that “good” decision is what ultimately led to the lopsided Tunsil trade, his subsequent all-time contract…….and probably the drafting of Tytus Howard too. So you wound up paying more in the long run anyway.
Paying DW4 was the right decision at the time…& the FO was begrudgingly given credit by most here for getting it done. who among us knew just 3 months later we’d be wearing that “right” decision around our necks like a noose.
Doesn't everyone on the planet fall into this category? No one deserves critique?
Mr teX
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yeah everyone does fall into that category…but whose to say that “critique” is even necessary? I’m a firm believer things happen for a reason. And just b/c a decision was made that appears to be bad on the outside doesn’t mean that the opposite decision is going to lead to a better outcome b/c chances are the ripple effect from that decision, good or bad is going to lead to some other decision that could be perceived as bad…or good.
2014 it was perceived to be a great decision to go after the best HC candidate in BoB….& im sure Rick Smith probably thought so too…How long were people complaining about Rick Smith as our GM by the way? 5 -6 years? That dude finally gets pushed out and enter BoB…who as we know left this franchise in utter chaos….who also brought in Easterby by the way.
so BoB was a great decision by the FO…until it wasn’t. You can’t critique them based on something that not even the biggest hater of Texans football couldve even dreamed would happen.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I read a small blip regarding Brown’s situation and the potential solution could’ve been as simple as “guaranteeing” the final 2 years on his contract. That was a bad move, and I stated as much, if that blip had any real truth behind it. Maybe there was more going on behind closed doors that we, as fans, just weren’t privy to.
I wanted to move Watson before his 4th season….mostly for the opportunity of drafting Herbert and second, avoiding the necessity of giving him a new contract. The only reason I was so willing to move Watson was b/c the Texans had failed to build a team around him and his value was at its peak versus what the team is dealing with today.
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Texazan
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I was watching Red Zone so of course I didn’t see this and I’m glad I didn’t but WTH is Culley doing?? Is Nick in his headset again trying to ensure the tank?
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What about if you made the right call to make players play out there 5th yr options?
Or not trading Hopkins when BOB they did? Not saying that I wouldn't have traded Hopkins last offseason.
Believe it or not a move I really didn't like at the time was letting Gipson go. They had finally found a S that could matchup with TE's and BOB let him walk for nothing. I still dont understand that move.
Mr teX
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lol 4th and 8 is like 4th and 40 with this offense. Besides, even if we do get it, what’s the likelihood we finish that drive off with points….then get the stop..and drive it in for more points to tie or win it? Believe it or not, that punt probably was a good move….maybe Lance tosses us 1 or 1 of the backs fumbles..that’s really been the only consistently good thing this team has shown us this year.
Gipson had that one bad game and pffft he was gone
Bob McNair wanted Brown gone. When McNair talked about "inmates running the prison", Duane was the head inmate.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
This actually makes sense.
Depends on if they complete a pass into the Red Zone. Mills has actually been quite good in the Red Zone despite the lack of a running game.
Texian
Hall of Fame
My understanding is Bob McNair wishes he had never apologized for the "Inmates running the asylum" comments. McNair explained his comments were directed directly at the many lawyers residing in the NFL headquarters (the inmates), who Bob thought were running the show, and not at the players as some had interpreted.
That doesn't excuse McNair's insensitive comments McNair made to the team the day after Obama was elected. Saying that election results were not the outcome they were hoping for. Brown got a burr in his butt because he took McNair's comments as racial and disrespectful. Brown didn't understand it was not racial, but that McNair was not happy with a fan of Marx sitting in the White House. It was a difference in ideologies and had nothing to do with race. Brown was never able to forgive, and it only festered with each passing year and eventually led to Brown holding out. IMO, I think McNair's patience grew thin with Brown's attitude. McNair thought Brown to be a distraction, a negative influence, fostering hostilities towards management and ownership with players on the team. That's why there was no love lost with Brown's departure.
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I guess that's why they call it the surrender index? I prefer the term "tanking", myself.
Yeah, that was a crock. It was about the players taking a knee during the United States national anthem.
The trade was not a football decision. It was a culture decision. The McNair culture. Which is more important than winning. Or even making money.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
That’s what people forget, it wasn’t a case of the Texans not thinking Brown could still play or the coaching staff not knowing what to do with him or even being incompetent. It became personal between McNair and Brown and it wouldn’t have mattered if Brown could have single handily delivered a championship, McNair still wanted him gone.
He’s not the first nor the last owner to put pride and emotions over what’s best for the team. Of course Brown wasn’t innocent either, both sides picked the hill they would die on and there was no coming back from it.
Texazan
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I want the tank. Culley is the tank commander. He inspires confidence of tank.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
Exactly, if you go for it and lose big effin deal. You punted and lost but hey it was the "right and smart" call for a 4-12 team, yea!
Was the score still 7-10 SF at the time? If so, he made the right call.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
LOL hell if I know, I wasn't watching the game! I'd think not since there was 6-7 mins left in the game
Texazan
Our HOF 34
Caserio was probably in the headset yelling Punt Team. LMAO.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I'm not surprised by this, especially if Culley is going to return. Kelly knows the Earhardt-Perkins offense and without Kelly, Culley has no offense to speak of except for a new one that everyone would have to learn from scratch. This kind of talk throws cold water on the Josh McDaniels talk.
For this yr.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It's gonna happen next offseason.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I think there is a 50% chance you are 100% right.
Disliked for the fact that I don't think I can watch another season of Tim Kelly's play calling.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Yeah there was some dumb stuff he's done and not every game went so well....but if the Texans get rid of Culley with the heart this team has showed most of the year and him doing the best he can with literally nothing in the shadow of the aftermath of that tyrant **** O'Brien ESPECIALLY only to replace him with yet another Patriots dildo scumbag Josh McDaniels.....
Lmao
I think he’s got a point.
ticket sales are at an all time low. They’re begging people to buy their PSLs.
they’ve lowered prices on everything next season; tickets, concessions, merchandise.
for the casual fan this started with dumping Clowney for a bag of chips. Extending Mercilus & Martin to deals they clearly didn’t earn & trading arguably the best WR in the game for a washed up never was. Then lying to DeShaun Watson & driving him out of town.
Dump Culley now, who did basically what he was supposed to do to bring in more New Englanders, while saying, “We are not New England South.”
They are already on thin ice & not expecting to win for another year or two, if they get the basics right & right now only two people outside of Kirby think they are on the right track.
Yep, Derrick really screwed over this franchise.
Bottom line is, if they start winning fans will be back. I'm for one, a guy who's glad that the Texans are going to have to do a total rebuild because they weren't going to win anything the way they were constructed. (Bad/selfish people in charge, where sexual misconduct inthe FO/On field product were not only tolerated but accepted)
Good thing is this is a fresh start, if Caserio does his job correctly things will be better in short order. (A couple of yrs) Truth is there are 3 factions of fans that dont want to have to go through the rebuild. 1. The Derrick fans, these fans only care about Derrick and whether Derrick's a successful QB. They could care less about the Texans or if the team is successful. 2. Fans that dont understand what a true contender looks like and it's not their fault because they've never seen a true contender down on Kirby. They just think that Derrick gives the team it's best chance to win right now and they would be correct. However if you're looking for a true contender Derrick hampers that effort because of his lack of morals/selfishness, not to mention his uneven play and salary cap ramifications. In short they've notonly bought into the McNair's mediocrity parade, they've embraced it.
Then you have fans like us on this MB. Diehards that realize what's going on and whether we agree with how they are being rebuilt or not, they know where the franchise is right now and either see hope for the future, or think anything that comes out of Foxboro is evil and that there's no way this rebuild will be successful. Not because of any particular move Caserio has made or hasn't made that may or may not have set the franchise back, but simply because the man in charge of the rebuild got his start in Foxboro.
I'm just glad that the McNair's are being forced to change their business model and the on field product is going to become more important than the marketing arm of the Texans org.
When you think about this. Culley spent the majority of his career with Andy Reid running Mike Holmgrem's version of the WCO. Pep Hamilton's background is the WCO and the Air Coryell offense with Norv Turner. At Stanford, Mills was running David Shaw's WCO with a mix of Pep's Air Coryell concepts.
It appears that there are enough people with experience with the WCO that they don't have to be married to the OB/TK ED scheme. However, would Caserio allow a scheme change?
I think most fans were ok with the idea of a rebuild, just wish they’d get on with it.
This goofy idea of hiring a Bo Porter is one of the things generating new ire for this franchise. One, it looks like that’s exactly what these idiots did. Two it means the rebuild hasn’t started. Three they think we’re dumb enough to fall for it (see ticket sales & empty seats).
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I would not mind bringing in Jay Gruden as OC to run his brand of WCO. Jay is a former QB. One of the best QBs in Arena Football League history in fact and has a history getting the most out of his QBs (Dalton/Cousins).
Keep Pep on staff and Mills is in good hands.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Therein lies the fly in the ointment. Changing 20+ years of indoctrination in the Belichick (Parcels) offense would probably take a couple of hours on the De-Neuralyzer to have a chance at changing to the WCO/ZBS.
It worked for the Stros.
Luhnow got talent in place then hired the manager to manage the talent he had groomed.
I've got no issue with Caserio doing the same exact thing. BTW, Minute Maid was a Ghost Town. Not so much now.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
wouldn’t have mattered, Vrabel had 3 of his own to use…and the offense has to be able to stay on the field….the defense gotta be able to stop pass interfering…& the refs gotta remove the cataracts from their eyes to them to have called that PI.
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