Texans random thought of the day

[steelbtexan]

How do you know this? So, he's a freak micro manager like Scott Pioli?

I read it in an article.

Don't have a link

If you say so.

 

[steelbtexan]

Here is a question for anyone on the trading down strategy:

What do you do when you don’t have anyone trade down with?

What happens when the compensation you would get to trade down is comparable to the minimum amount you should receive? You would be taking a loss to take that trade.

Do you take the pick or take less? How much less are you willing to take?

Say you're trading down 5 spots in this draft, so you're picking #7. and you really like Green and the ol from NC. State, you're pretty sure one of them will be there. Then you would take less than the chart says and gain more assets and still get the guy you wanted. The trade chart is a guide it's not etched in stone.

If you adhere strictly to the trade chart values, you will occasionally get jumped in the draft like RS did with Jimmy G and Lockett.

 

[steelbtexan]

In this draft, because it is deep as it is in Top 10, I trade back because it is so deep and because you're rebuilding. Depends on how far you trade back. Top 3 (2) #1s, Top 5 (2) #1 plus, Top 10 (3) #1s. But by any measure Tennessee is an epic FUBAR of grand proportions.

What if you can't get the value for the pick that you want, which is very likely this yr? Do you take less and still move back?

Tennessee is hardly a FUBAR. An AFCCG a playoff appearance and the 2nd best record in the AFC says differently. However I could see them falling off. They're real beat up with injuries to Brown/Jones/Henry and on defense too with their CB's and Dupree. We will see if they can get somewhat healthy come playoff time.

 

[Texian]

What if you can't get the value for the pick that you want, which is very likely this yr? Do you take less and still move back?

Tennessee is hardly a FUBAR.

A 2nd 1st RD is a must, or you will end up with Clowney or Mario Williams. If teams will trade future #1s to trade up for QBs like Trey Lance and Justin Fields, then it's highly likely teams will want to do the same for QBs like Matt Corral and Kenny Pickett. Tennessee is an epic FUBAR of GRAND proportions.

 

[Texian]

I read it in an article.

Don't have a link

If you say so.

How many offensive plays or defenses did he call? As a File Clerk and a scout what were his responsibilities for the game plan? I'm sure if the article pointed out he was wearing headphones they would've explained the reason for wearing them. Maybe he was just listening to Bruce Springsteen?

 

[steelbtexan]

It's really way to early to get into details, but I'm committed to building our interior line. Throw the rules out.

I've seen Green ranked on early boards from #25 to #8. If Green ends up a top 10, and he might, and I can't wrangle a trade down, I'm biting the bullet and taking him. If he ends up closer to #25, I'll go BPA.

A high second and next years #1 is already less than normal value. If I remember correctly without recalculation, about 40 trading points less. I need that high #2 to draft defense. Right now, this is my minimum.

If I'm able to get a high 2nd, then I'm using it and the Saints 3rd to move into the bottom of the 1st and picking Kinnard. This will fix the issues with the IOL with my 2 favorite OG's in this draft. The run game just got alot better as well as pass pro for the next 5 years.

Then Hopefully McCreary will be there at 2-34.

 

[steelbtexan]

A 2nd 1st RD is a must, or you will end up with Clowney or Mario Williams. If teams will trade future #1s to trade up for QBs like Trey Lance and Justin Fields, then it's highly likely teams will want to do the same for QBs like Matt Corral and Kenny Pickett. Tennessee is an epic FUBAR of GRAND proportions.

Hope you're right.
Give me some AFCCG and playoff appearances along with being the number 2 seed type FUBAR. I can see that you've lost objectivity.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1468044649965236226

 

[cuppacoffee]

What if you can't get the value for the pick that you want, which is very likely this yr? Do you take less and still move back?

Tennessee is hardly a FUBAR. An AFCCG a playoff appearance and the 2nd best record in the AFC says differently. However I could see them falling off. They're real beat up with injuries to Brown/Jones/Henry and on defense too with their CB's and Dupree. We will see if they can get somewhat healthy come playoff time.

I know its just an exercise but in the mocks I do on PFN I can't seem to gain much by trading down.

Only drafted one QB so far, took Strong in the #3 spot in one draft. I think Mills is the only QB on the team that will be here next year.

Haven't really identified a player that I prefer over all others. Assuming that Thibodeaux and Hutchinson go earlier.
Seems to be some quality O linemen this year.

Rather thin on DT's and LB's. Using opinions of "experts".

Right now I would be ok with OT- Neal, C- Linderbaum, Edge- Karlaftis or S- Hamilton, in that order W/ our first pick.

Who do you think is the best running back in the draft?

** edit: drafted Strong in round three.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I know its just an exercise but in the mocks I do on PFN I can't seem to gain much by trading down.

Only drafted one QB so far, took Strong in the #3 spot in one draft. I think Mills is the only QB on the team that will be here next year.

Haven't really identified a player that I prefer over all others. Assuming that Thibodeaux and Hutchinson go earlier.
Seems to be some quality O linemen this year.

Rather thin on DT's and LB's. Using opinions of "experts".

Right now I would be ok with OT- Neal, C- Linderbaum, Edge- Karlaftis or S- Hamilton, in that order W/ our first pick.

Who do you think is the best running back in the draft?

The best RB in the draft will depend on which NFL OL he lands with.

 

[Number19]

...Who do you think is the best running back in the draft?

Several big boards like Isaiah Spiller as their top back. But it also looks like Breese Hall most consistantly rates high. Then there is also Kenneth Walker, to round out a possible top 3.

It's looking like there may be no back taken in the first round, with maybe two or three in the second. The third round, maybe another three or four. There may be no more than five or six taken the second day.

 

[steelbtexan]

How many offensive plays or defenses did he call? As a File Clerk and a scout what were his responsibilities for the game plan? I'm sure if the article pointed out he was wearing headphones they would've explained the reason for wearing them. Maybe he was just listening to Bruce Springsteen?

I'm sure he was communicating what he saw from the press box with his good friend McDaniels. But

I know its just an exercise but in the mocks I do on PFN I can't seem to gain much by trading down.

Only drafted one QB so far, took Strong in the #3 spot in one draft. I think Mills is the only QB on the team that will be here next year.

Haven't really identified a player that I prefer over all others. Assuming that Thibodeaux and Hutchinson go earlier.
Seems to be some quality O linemen this year.

Rather thin on DT's and LB's. Using opinions of "experts".

Right now I would be ok with OT- Neal, C- Linderbaum, Edge- Karlaftis or S- Hamilton, in that order W/ our first pick.

Who do you think is the best running back in the draft?

My guys that I'm real high on at #2 are

Stingley if healthy
Hutchinson
Thibodeaux
Neal
Hamilton

A trade own say 5-10 spots in no particular order. Check these guys out and tell me what you think.

Green
Ekwonu
Kinnard-I've got him ranked higher than most.
Ojabo
McCreary
Gardener
Kendrick
Booth
Penning

 

[steelbtexan]

I know its just an exercise but in the mocks I do on PFN I can't seem to gain much by trading down.

Only drafted one QB so far, took Strong in the #3 spot in one draft. I think Mills is the only QB on the team that will be here next year.

Haven't really identified a player that I prefer over all others. Assuming that Thibodeaux and Hutchinson go earlier.
Seems to be some quality O linemen this year.

Rather thin on DT's and LB's. Using opinions of "experts".

Right now I would be ok with OT- Neal, C- Linderbaum, Edge- Karlaftis or S- Hamilton, in that order W/ our first pick.

Who do you think is the best running back in the draft?

To me the best RB in this draft is Kenneth Walker Michigan St. But I'm not drafting a RB before the 3rd/4th rd. I also like Spiller/Charbonnet/Brooks and Richaad White.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Several big boards like Isaiah Spiller as their top back. But it also looks like Breese Hall most consistantly rates high. Then there is also Kenneth Walker, to round out a possible top 3.

It's looking like there may be no back taken in the first round, with maybe two or three in the second. The third round, maybe another three or four. There may be no more than five or six taken the second day.

I've got a new tandem idea for the Texans backfield. Breece Hall (Iowa St) is a must and Rachaad White (ASU). White really surprised me with him 2021 stat line. I believe he had 43 receptions this season....for a big back who should be in the mid 4.4-40 on his Pro Day.

 

[Lucky]

Justin Reid nominated for NFL Man of the Year.

2021 Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year nominees unveiled

 

[Double Barrel]

I can agree it was dumb to make OB GM. He should have been fired after 51-7.

The biggest damage to the team for me is Watson. We never would have traded Hopkins if it wasn’t for Watson alleged activities off the field.

We traded an extra 1st for Watson.

Watson also said he wanted OB as his coach. Remember when OB was on the hot seat Watson’s rookie year and it was OB vs Rick Smith? Watson came out for OB. Boom. Extension for OB.

Everything goes back to Watson.

I get what you're saying. . .however. . .

The roster was slowly being deflated under O'Brien without being refilled. Players were not being coached up. O'Brien's influence was on the entire organization. He's cussing out fans and players with impunity. There was absolutely no accountability.

Is there really any wonder why Watson thought he was untouchable? His head coach and GM was instrumental in his hubris and arrogance.

O'Brien wanted Easterby here with Cal. Jack was one of the primary voices in the FO to ship Nuk off. And that trade, made by O'Brien/Easterby, still reverberates today.

O'Brien/Easterby behind firing Gaine and Olsen.

Easterby (who is here because of O'Brien) is still heavily influencing player analysis - ongoing - as they must all pass through his 'culture' filter. It has been reported by multiple national sources that approximately 40% of players avoid even talking to the Texans because of the dysfunctional FO with Easterby in any position of power. John McClain recently talked about the Texans having a hard time with free agents because of this mess.

Long after Watson is gone, this franchise will still be dealing with the mess left by HC/GM O'Brien.

Like I said, 1A and 1B. They both suck and have left a wrecked franchise that might take years to rebound.

 

[Earl34]

Random thought. What happened to Chris Moore? Against the Patriots, he had 5 RECs for 109 YDs and now only have five targets in the past six weeks? Is this another result of the BOB/TK offense that consistently goes away from something that worked for weeks at a time?

If that's the case, is Chris Moore due for a big game this week?

 

[cuppacoffee]

The best RB in the draft will depend on which NFL OL he lands with.

We're doomed.

Need to edit previous post. meant to say I drafted Strong in round 3 not #3.

 

[76Texan]

Random thought. What happened to Chris Moore? Against the Patriots, he had 5 RECs for 109 YDs and now only have five targets in the past six weeks? Is this another result of the BOB/TK offense that consistently goes away from something that worked for weeks at a time?

If that's the case, is Chris Moore due for a big game this week?

It's the game plan offense.

 

[Speedy]

Random thought. What happened to Chris Moore? Against the Patriots, he had 5 RECs for 109 YDs and now only have five targets in the past six weeks? Is this another result of the BOB/TK offense that consistently goes away from something that worked for weeks at a time?

If that's the case, is Chris Moore due for a big game this week?

I hear ya. 3 targets, 3 catches for 14 yards the last 4 games for Moore. Zero targets against Indy. But none of the WRs are doing much of anything.
Nico has 3 catches the last 3 games, 1 target against Indy.
Conley has 0 catches on 4 targets the last 2 games - zero targets against the Jets.
Even Cooks has fallen off.
40 catches, 481 yards, 80.1 YPG the 1st 6 games of the season.
25 catches, 261 yards, 43.5 YPG the last 6 games.
0 catches in the 1st half against Indy.

Bad QB play has a lot to do with it, of course, but these guys aren't even getting the targets they should be getting either. I'll give you one guess who that falls under.

 

[Earl34]

I hear ya. 3 targets, 3 catches for 14 yards the last 4 games for Moore. Zero targets against Indy. But none of the WRs are doing much of anything.
Nico has 3 catches the last 3 games, 1 target against Indy.
Conley has 0 catches on 4 targets the last 2 games - zero targets against the Jets.
Even Cooks has fallen off.
40 catches, 481 yards, 80.1 YPG the 1st 6 games of the season.
25 catches, 261 yards, 43.5 YPG the last 6 games.
0 catches in the 1st half against Indy.

Bad QB play has a lot to do with it, of course, but these guys aren't even getting the targets they should be getting either. I'll give you one guess who that falls under.

Good post. It's interesting seeing the performances the first 6 games when they were supposedly going against "good defenses" compared to the last six against "lesser" defenses. It could be that after six games, good DCs have figure out the offense and the lack of adjustments by "who that falls under".

You would think that even with the OL and running game issues, they could get the slot WRs and RBs involved in the quick passing game. You would think.

 

[Texansphan]

I know you and @steelbtexan are BIG on Hutchinson. After watching his last 3 games I have some concerns. Hutchinson plays standing up as a 7 or 9 techniques DE. 7 on the weak side, 9 on the strong side. Something you don't see in the NFL. In a handful of snaps, he has lined up as a 5 technique. I don't recall him playing with his hand in the dirt. It seems as though he needs to get a running head start to be effective. As a 5 tech he was not. Discuss.

Has any other player in this draft had a better year than AH?
Some stats - 13 sacks; 14.5 Tfl's; 3 passes defended; 2 forced fumbles. His presence on the opposite side of the line forced many penalties from opposing olinemen trying to stop him or gain an advantage over him. Dominant - a true force to be reckoned with.
What are your objections?

 

[DBCooper]

Not that it matters but why are we eliminated from the playoffs but the jags with the same record are not?

especially since we hold the tiebreaker at the moment with them.

 

[Texian]

What are your objections?

I thought I was quite clear with what my objections concerns are.

 

[Texansphan]

I thought I was quite clear with what my objections concerns are.

Okie.
So no objections to my first statement? How about those impressive stats - they speak volumes eh?

 

[Texansballer74]

Random thought. What happened to Chris Moore? Against the Patriots, he had 5 RECs for 109 YDs and now only have five targets in the past six weeks? Is this another result of the BOB/TK offense that consistently goes away from something that worked for weeks at a time?

If that's the case, is Chris Moore due for a big game this week?

They're still thinking their identity is running the ball. Looks like they went away from the stuff they ran in the first 6 quarters. There's no creativity and no routes to help the receivers get separation. Remember we were running beautiful pick plays like every other teams were running.

 

[Texian]

Okie.
So no objections to my first statement? How about those impressive stats - they speak volumes eh?

I guess you completely missed the point, re: Hutchinson, you don't see a lot of 7 and 9 techniques in the NFL. You see more 3 techniques in a 3 - 4 and 5 techniques in a 4 - 3. What happens when you put a big TE directly across from AH? Does that negate his advantage?

 

[JB]

Not that it matters but why are we eliminated from the playoffs but the jags with the same record are not?

especially since we hold the tiebreaker at the moment with them.

Because we lost to the Bills and Dolphins and had an easier SOS?

 

[Texansballer74]

This ninja needs to retire.

Report: Tyrod Taylor has torn ligament in injured wrist

Houston Texans quarterback Tyrod Taylor has ligament damage in his injured left wrist, according to John McClain of the Houston Chronicle. The injury impacts Taylor’s ability to receive snaps from center and to grip the ball. Davis Mills played 23 snaps in relief of Taylor in Sunday’s 31-0 loss...

sports.yahoo.com

Houston Texans quarterback Tyrod Taylor has ligament damage in his injured left wrist, according to John McClain of the Houston Chronicle. The injury impacts T...

 

[Speedy]

2002 Texans - 13.3 points per game
2021 Texans - 13.6 points per game

2002 - 0 shutouts, 5 games less than 10 points
2021 - 2 shutouts, 6 games less than 10 points

2002 - 84.4 rushing yards per game
2021 - 78.8 rushing yards per game

 

[steelbtexan]

2002 Texans - 13.3 points per game
2021 Texans - 13.6 points per game

2002 - 0 shutouts, 5 games less than 10 points
2021 - 2 shutouts, 6 games less than 10 points

2002 - 84.4 rushing yards per game
2021 - 78.8 rushing yards per game

Looks alot like an expansion team to me.

Difference is this team has some playmakers on the offense. Just gotta get the right HC/Scheme/Hope Mills develops next yr and most importantly add talent to the OL.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

This ninja needs to retire.

Report: Tyrod Taylor has torn ligament in injured wrist

Houston Texans quarterback Tyrod Taylor has ligament damage in his injured left wrist, according to John McClain of the Houston Chronicle. The injury impacts Taylor’s ability to receive snaps from center and to grip the ball. Davis Mills played 23 snaps in relief of Taylor in Sunday’s 31-0 loss...

sports.yahoo.com

Houston Texans quarterback Tyrod Taylor has ligament damage in his injured left wrist, according to John McClain of the Houston Chronicle. The injury impacts T...

.....uhmmm, nothing.

 

[TheRealJoker]

The Seahawks have the worst pass defense in the league (yds/game). Also, their best player, Jamal Adams is now out for the season.

Seahawks safety Jamal Adams to undergo season-ending shoulder surgery

Seattle Seahawks safety Jamal Adams suffered a torn labrum on Sunday and will undergo season-ending shoulder surgery, NFL network Insider Ian Rapoport reports.

www.nfl.com

Safe to say that this will be Davis Mills’ best matchup of the season. Lets see if he can show he deserves to be in the conversation for starting QB next season.

But not show too much that Tim Kelly deserves to be retained despite having an offense that is putting up worse numbers than the expansion Texans…

 

[Texansphan]

I guess you completely missed the point, re: Hutchinson, you don't see a lot of 7 and 9 techniques in the NFL. You see more 3 techniques in a 3 - 4 and 5 techniques in a 4 - 3. What happens when you put a big TE directly across from AH? Does that negate his advantage?

A player of AHs ability should be able to overcome any difficulties.
Players aren't robots - they can learn new things which is common practice for the NFL.

 

[Texansballer74]

The Seahawks have the worst pass defense in the league (yds/game). Also, their best player, Jamal Adams is now out for the season.

Seahawks safety Jamal Adams to undergo season-ending shoulder surgery

Seattle Seahawks safety Jamal Adams suffered a torn labrum on Sunday and will undergo season-ending shoulder surgery, NFL network Insider Ian Rapoport reports.

www.nfl.com

Safe to say that this will be Davis Mills’ best matchup of the season. Lets see if he can show he deserves to be in the conversation for starting QB next season.

But not show too much that Tim Kelly deserves to be retained despite having an offense that is putting up worse numbers than the expansion Texans…

Watch them shut us out. Lol

 

[Texian]

A player of AHs ability should be able to overcome any difficulties.
Players aren't robots - they can learn new things which is common practice for the NFL.

That's an assumption, Amobi Okoye was an assumption. Sounds to me like you want it to be true. Me, I want to see more before making up my mind. What's his Combine 10 yd split, 225 and broad jump. He needs to show me more when blockers are directly in front of him. You have already fallen in love, so I get it.

 

[Texansphan]

That's an assumption, Amobi Okoye was an assumption. Sounds to me like you want it to be true. Me, I want to see more before making up my mind. What's his Combine 10 yd split, 225 and broad jump. He needs to show me more when blockers are directly in front of him. You have already fallen in love, so I get it.

In love? Nah. Just like exceptionally talented players.
AH has a motor and loves football - big +'s in my book. And I'm sure Lovie will make the best of his talents.
I get that you would prefer someone else but we are all different.
A lot of people were upset when JJ was selected too.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

If the Texans wind up at the #3 spot.....Thibodeaux and Hutchinson will be gone to either the Lions or Jaguars. The Texans could put the #3 pick in a hurry, especially if Caserio poker faced some real interest in QB's Picket or Corral. Teams in the 6 thru 11 spots have a deep need to find a QB which could help Casserio get a nice return.

 

[austins23]

Any of you that are planning on watching this abomination of a game better hit the bars. UNLESS you are in the Houston viewing area, you will get the Cowboys/Redskins on FOX and NOT the Texans/Seahawks. Not that it matters, I'd rather cheer for the Football Team to beat the Cowboys anyway.

 

[Texian]

In love? Nah. Just like exceptionally talented players.
AH has a motor and loves football - big +'s in my book. And I'm sure Lovie will make the best of his talents.
I get that you would prefer someone else but we are all different.
A lot of people were upset when JJ was selected too.

Not in love? You're already ordering his Gold HOF jacket.

 

[TexansBull]

Sorry.... just seemed to me that Rick Smith pre-assigned a value to a pick and then would take no less regardless of market

No problem.

I just keep reading about other people assigning points to draft slots and how terrible it was for the Texans to beat the Titans.

And then if the Texans make a trade of draft picks I am sure they will compare the points of that draft slot.

 

[Lucky]

I guess you completely missed the point, re: Hutchinson, you don't see a lot of 7 and 9 techniques in the NFL. You see more 3 techniques in a 3 - 4 and 5 techniques in a 4 - 3. What happens when you put a big TE directly across from AH? Does that negate his advantage?

The logic behind moving an impact defender outside to reduce the chance of a double team. Bringing Hutchinson closer to the ball would allow that. It's not as if even a big time program like Michigan has enough playmakers that everyone can make impact plays with single man blocking.

I thought Thibodeaux should have been moved around more at Oregon. Offenses can scheme an impact defender out of the game in college. Not as easy to do in the NFL.

 

[TexansBull]

2002 Texans - 13.3 points per game
2021 Texans - 13.6 points per game

2002 - 0 shutouts, 5 games less than 10 points
2021 - 2 shutouts, 6 games less than 10 points

2002 - 84.4 rushing yards per game
2021 - 78.8 rushing yards per game

I had started a thread a while back that we were back to being an expansion team.

 

[Lucky]

I had started a thread a while back that we were back to being an expansion team.

I had a post in the preseason where I said it was a given that the Texans would be the lowest scoring team in the league. I also compared the Texans to the team with the lowest point total of the past decade, and whether this 2021 offense could score more than the expansion Texans.

It wasn't a well received post.

...however I heard on the radio this morning someone asking if the Texans would be the lowest scoring team in the NFL this year.

Did they also ask if the sky is blue and if water is wet?

Better question would be will they score less than the worst scoring team of the past 10 seasons (2011 Rams 12.06 ppg)? Will they be above the expansion 2002 Texans (13.31 ppg)?

 

[Texansphan]

Not in love? You're already ordering his Gold HOF jacket.

If you say so dude.

 

[IDEXAN]

The logic behind moving an impact defender outside to reduce the chance of a double team. Bringing Hutchinson closer to the ball would allow that. It's not as if even a big time program like Michigan has enough playmakers that everyone can make impact plays with single man blocking.

I thought Thibodeaux should have been moved around more at Oregon. Offenses can scheme an impact defender out of the game in college. Not as easy to do in the NFL.

Had the opportuniy to watch Hutchison now and he reminds me more of TJ than JJ, probably because of size which also makes him
appear to be more suited fro 3-4 OLB instead of 4-3 DE.
I dunno who's the comparable for Thibodeaux ?

 

[badboy]

I had a post in the preseason where I said it was a given that the Texans would be the lowest scoring team in the league. I also compared the Texans to the team with the lowest point total of the past decade, and whether this 2021 offense could score more than the expansion Texans.

It wasn't a well received post.

[/QUOTE]
?? how in the world did you perceive me not "receiving your post well"? Sometimes I think you just make stuff up..

My reply to your water wet post:

They did ask but I told them that I had already traded the sky and water to Philadelphia for three first-round picks

 

[badboy]

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[steelbtexan]

Had the opportuniy to watch Hutchison now and he reminds me more of TJ than JJ, probably because of size which also makes him
appear to be more suited fro 3-4 OLB instead of 4-3 DE.
I dunno who's the comparable for Thibodeaux ?

I'm thinking a young Robert Quinn.

Maybe Chandler Jones or Matthew Judon.

 

[Thorn]

Bottom Feeders Club schedules for rest of the season:

Detroit: Broncos, Cardinals, Falcons, Seahawks, Packers
Houston: Seahawks, Jaguars, Chargers, 49ers, Titans
Jacksonville: Titans, Texans, Jets, Patriots, Colts

It's unlikely that Detroit gets another win, but they might if the Packers take their last week off. Or they pull off a road upset at Denver, which I doubt.

Houston and Jacksonville play each other, so one of the two gets another win. Jacksonville, unless they beat the Texans, will likely not win any more, and that same thought goes for the Texans as well. The Texans/Jags game is a home game for Jacksonville, so I'll give them the nod.

And after all that, my prediction is the Texans end up with the number two pick in the draft. We shall see.