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TexansBull said:
Watson isn’t the “scapegoat” for the bad season.

He is the main reason the Texans look so bad.

OB being the GM didn’t do this team any favors, but this team would look much better with Watson.

Watson is holding this team hostage. If they only get two 1sts the Texans will get robbed.

SMH at he is doing this team any favors.

Caserio is getting a free year of judgement. Not a free year to do nothing like Watson. Caserio still only has a limited number of years to turn this team around.
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They might look better with Watson but that doesn’t translate to more wins necessarily. They won 4 last year with Watson.
 
Texian said:
I would expect as much from the File Clerk. Like I said earlier, the File Clerk doesn't know what he is doing. The absolute worst QB in the NFL could not throw 4 INTs against the Texans unless they wanted to. This too will come back to bite the File Clerk in the butt.
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Texian said:
Mark these drugs words, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for the players that could've been drafted by the Texans but were lost because of a useless win in Tennessee.
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Like I predicted that brain fart in Tennessee has in fact come back to bite the File Clerk and the Texans squarely in the butt. A mighty BIG bite I may add. Had the Texans lost to the Titans in that brain dead game they would have been assured the #1 pick in the draft if they were to lose out for the rest of the season. The 1-16 record would have been the worst record in 2021. The Lions 1-15-1 would have had the #2 pick.

So, this FUBAR and SNAFU extraordinaire will likely have cost the Texans 6000 to 9000 in trade value points if they would have traded this #1 pick. Compounded with the bounty expected from the DW4 trade and the Texans would've been set for the next 5 years and a perennial playoff team for many years to come.

Tankathon | 2022 NFL Draft Order
 
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Texian said:
Like I predicted that brain fart in Tennessee has in fact come back to bite the File Clerk and the Texans squarely in the butt. A mighty BIG bite I may add. Had the Texans lost to the Titans in that brain dead game they would have been assured the #1 pick in the draft if they were to lose out for the rest of the season. The 1-16 record would have been the worst record in 2021. The Lions 1-15-1 would have had the #2 pick.

So, this FUBAR and SNAFU extraordinaire will likely have cost the Texans 6000 to 9000 in trade value points if they would have traded this #1 pick. Compounded with the bounty expected from the DW4 trade and the Texans would've been set for the next 5 years and a perennial playoff team for many years to come.

Tankathon | 2022 NFL Draft Order
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The loss is more on Tennessee and Tannehill than the Texans.

Texans can’t throw games.

We couldn’t score against the Colts, we loss to the Jets, and loss to the Dolphins.

What would you have the Texans do differently to lose games?
 
Texian said:
Like I predicted that brain fart in Tennessee has in fact come back to bite the File Clerk and the Texans squarely in the butt. A mighty BIG bite I may add. Had the Texans lost to the Titans in that brain dead game they would have been assured the #1 pick in the draft if they were to lose out for the rest of the season. The 1-16 record would have been the worst record in 2021. The Lions 1-15-1 would have had the #2 pick.

So, this FUBAR and SNAFU extraordinaire will likely have cost the Texans 6000 to 9000 in trade value points if they would have traded this #1 pick. Compounded with the bounty expected from the DW4 trade and the Texans would've been set for the next 5 years and a perennial playoff team for many years to come.

Tankathon | 2022 NFL Draft Order
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The season is a long way from being over. If Caserio gets 1-1 who's your pick? If you trade down who do you think Caserio is able to trade down with and how much does he get in a trade?
 
TexansBull said:
Watson isn’t the “scapegoat” for the bad season.

He is the main reason the Texans look so bad.

OB being the GM didn’t do this team any favors, but this team would look much better with Watson.

Watson is holding this team hostage. If they only get two 1sts the Texans will get robbed.

SMH at he is doing this team any favors.

Caserio is getting a free year of judgement. Not a free year to do nothing like Watson. Caserio still only has a limited number of years to turn this team around.
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It cost the Texans two first rounders to draft Watson.
Anything of the equivalence is good for a guy that "hold a team hostage".
Some team loses a premium player for next to nothing.
Oh wait; the Texans under OB did.

You can blame Kyle first though.

Any GM would only have a limited number of years to produce.
Talent evaluation and acquisition isn't limited to one player.

Look at the Pats without Brady and Caserio.
 
steelbtexan said:
The season is a long way from being over. If Caserio gets 1-1 who's your pick? If you trade down who do you think Caserio is able to trade down with and how much does he get in a trade?
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I'm firmly on the trade down side. The Giants and the Eagles are about where I'd be looking. In return I'd be wanting their highest 2nd this year and their future 1st in 2023. Anything more would be a plus.

My pick, after trading down, is Kenyon Green (LG). And with the Texans 2/33 I'd take Darian Kinnard (RG). If possible, I'd trade back up into the bottom of the 1st so I'd have a five year contract.
 
Number19 said:
I'm firmly on the trade down side. The Giants and the Eagles are about where I'd be looking. In return I'd be wanting their highest 2nd this year and their future 1st in 2023. Anything more would be a plus.

My pick, after trading down, is Kenyon Green (LG). And with the Texans 2/33 I'd take Darian Kinnard (RG). If possible, I'd trade back up into the bottom of the 1st so I'd have a five year contract.
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We're definitely on the same page.

Can you imagine how much better the offense would look with Green/Kinnard manning the OG spots for the next 5 yrs. Even next year with an OL of

LT- Tunsil
LG- Green
C- Britt, I would also try to draft Britt's replacement for when Britt gets hurt again.
RG- Kinnard
RT Howard/Heck

You wouldn't have the issues they currently have with the run game and with these 2 monsters holding up in pass pro you could shift protections over to help Howard/Heck on the right side.
 
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steelbtexan said:
The season is a long way from being over. If Caserio gets 1-1 who's your pick? If you trade down who do you think Caserio is able to trade down with and how much does he get in a trade?
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This would be a good draft to trade down in but with no primo QBs, the suitors may be few and far between - a very similar situation to the Clowney draft.
If we get 1.1, gun to my head, I take Hutchinson.
I don't really want to do it, but it's the safest bet.
CB would also be a good pick here but Stingley has had some injury issues.
Evan Neal also appeals and he would be my other consideration at 1.1. A toss-up.
 
steelbtexan said:
The season is a long way from being over. If Caserio gets 1-1 who's your pick? If you trade down who do you think Caserio is able to trade down with and how much does he get in a trade?
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In this draft, because it is deep as it is in Top 10, I trade back because it is so deep and because you're rebuilding. Depends on how far you trade back. Top 3 (2) #1s, Top 5 (2) #1 plus, Top 10 (3) #1s. But by any measure Tennessee is an epic FUBAR of grand proportions.
 
Texansphan said:
This would be a good draft to trade down in but with no primo QBs, the suitors may be few and far between - a very similar situation to the Clowney draft.
If we get 1.1, gun to my head, I take Hutchinson.
I don't really want to do it, but it's the safest bet.
CB would also be a good pick here but Stingley has had some injury issues.
Evan Neal also appeals and he would be my other consideration at 1.1. A toss-up.
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I know you and @steelbtexan are BIG on Hutchinson. After watching his last 3 games I have some concerns. Hutchinson plays standing up as a 7 or 9 techniques DE. 7 on the weak side, 9 on the strong side. Something you don't see in the NFL. In a handful of snaps, he has lined up as a 5 technique. I don't recall him playing with his hand in the dirt. It seems as though he needs to get a running head start to be effective. As a 5 tech he was not. Discuss.
 
76Texan said:
It cost the Texans two first rounders to draft Watson.
Anything of the equivalence is good for a guy that "hold a team hostage".
Some team loses a premium player for next to nothing.
Oh wait; the Texans under OB did.

You can blame Kyle first though.

Any GM would only have a limited number of years to produce.
Talent evaluation and acquisition isn't limited to one player.

Look at the Pats without Brady and Caserio.
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The Pats with and without Brady still have Belicheck - the decision maker in all things. Caserio had input but not the decision maker.

If you paid for your house 100k for your house but the value doubled in 4 years you wouldn’t sell it for 100k and be happy you broke even. In reality you lost money.

That’s Watson. It cost us 2 firsts but we aren’t going to try to get 2 firsts and just because we spent that. We are trying to get more because he has shown (on the field at least) he is worth more.

You have witnessed too many trades done by OB.

As a GM I wouldn’t want to lose premium players and get nothing for it. That’s why Belicheck has traded premium players and doesn’t think twice about it. Hell - It would have been possible for him to trade Brady if Kraft would have let him keep Garrapolo.
 
Number19 said:
I'm firmly on the trade down side. The Giants and the Eagles are about where I'd be looking. In return I'd be wanting their highest 2nd this year and their future 1st in 2023. Anything more would be a plus.

My pick, after trading down, is Kenyon Green (LG). And with the Texans 2/33 I'd take Darian Kinnard (RG). If possible, I'd trade back up into the bottom of the 1st so I'd have a five year contract.
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Here is a question for anyone on the trading down strategy:

What do you do when you don’t have anyone trade down with?

What happens when the compensation you would get to trade down is comparable to the minimum amount you should receive? You would be taking a loss to take that trade.

Do you take the pick or take less? How much less are you willing to take?
 
Texansphan said:
This would be a good draft to trade down in but with no primo QBs, the suitors may be few and far between - a very similar situation to the Clowney draft.
If we get 1.1, gun to my head, I take Hutchinson.
I don't really want to do it, but it's the safest bet.
CB would also be a good pick here but Stingley has had some injury issues.
Evan Neal also appeals and he would be my other consideration at 1.1. A toss-up.
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One of my mocks on PNN I accepted a trade for #3 and took CB Kalir Elam @ 8 and Edge G Karlaftis @ 9.

I took Strong @ 42

Kinda high for Elam but we need a CB. Projected late pick round #1

Why does the Liberty QB keep showing up as a Texans pick?

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TexansBull said:
Here is a question for anyone on the trading down strategy:

What do you do when you don’t have anyone trade down with?

What happens when the compensation you would get to trade down is comparable to the minimum amount you should receive? You would be taking a loss to take that trade.

Do you take the pick or take less? How much less are you willing to take?
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It's really way to early to get into details, but I'm committed to building our interior line. Throw the rules out.

I've seen Green ranked on early boards from #25 to #8. If Green ends up a top 10, and he might, and I can't wrangle a trade down, I'm biting the bullet and taking him. If he ends up closer to #25, I'll go BPA.

A high second and next years #1 is already less than normal value. If I remember correctly without recalculation, about 40 trading points less. I need that high #2 to draft defense. Right now, this is my minimum.
 
TexansBull said:
The Pats with and without Brady still have Belicheck - the decision maker in all things. Caserio had input but not the decision maker.

If you paid for your house 100k for your house but the value doubled in 4 years you wouldn’t sell it for 100k and be happy you broke even. In reality you lost money.

That’s Watson. It cost us 2 firsts but we aren’t going to try to get 2 firsts and just because we spent that. We are trying to get more because he has shown (on the field at least) he is worth more.

You have witnessed too many trades done by OB.

As a GM I wouldn’t want to lose premium players and get nothing for it. That’s why Belicheck has traded premium players and doesn’t think twice about it. Hell - It would have been possible for him to trade Brady if Kraft would have let him keep Garrapolo.
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It's exactly because the Texans could/should get more than two first rd picks that Watson will be doing them a favor.
His not playing will also give Caserio a high pick in every round.

Don 't want to speculate about Belichik; I have no idea what he wants to do.
 
TexansBull said:
People easily forget that part. He has done more damage to the Texans than OB being named GM.
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OB being GM was, by far, the worst decision these owners have ever made.

Teams can recover from player controversies. Some team out there is going to win a lot of games with Watson under center.

Which has impacted the franchise more is arguable, but for me it's 1A and 1B.
 
Texian said:
I know you and @steelbtexan are BIG on Hutchinson. After watching his last 3 games I have some concerns. Hutchinson plays standing up as a 7 or 9 techniques DE. 7 on the weak side, 9 on the strong side. Something you don't see in the NFL. In a handful of snaps, he has lined up as a 5 technique. I don't recall him playing with his hand in the dirt. It seems as though he needs to get a running head start to be effective. As a 5 tech he was not. Discuss.
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I like Hutchinson alot because of his motor and the fact that he's improved every yr in Ann Harbor. With this said, if healthy and I'm Caserio stuck with the 1st pick. My choice would be Stingley. Most talented guy in the draft with the most upside and yes, I know a CB has never been picked at 1-1.

A bad yr to be picking 1st.
 
TexansBull said:
The Pats with and without Brady still have Belicheck - the decision maker in all things. Caserio had input but not the decision maker.

If you paid for your house 100k for your house but the value doubled in 4 years you wouldn’t sell it for 100k and be happy you broke even. In reality you lost money.

That’s Watson. It cost us 2 firsts but we aren’t going to try to get 2 firsts and just because we spent that. We are trying to get more because he has shown (on the field at least) he is worth more.

You have witnessed too many trades done by OB.

As a GM I wouldn’t want to lose premium players and get nothing for it. That’s why Belicheck has traded premium players and doesn’t think twice about it. Hell - It would have been possible for him to trade Brady if Kraft would have let him keep Garrapolo.
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Difference is it's impossible to get anywhere near fair value for a Pervert that very well could be in the slammer this time next yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like Hutchinson alot because of his motor and the fact that he's improved every yr in Ann Harbor. With this said, if healthy and I'm Caserio stuck with the 1st pick. My choice would be Stingley. Most talented guy in the draft with the most upside and yes, I know a CB has never been picked at 1-1.

A bad yr to be picking 1st.
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I’m a much bigger fan of S- Kyle Hamilton (Notre Dame) since he’s capable of playing in the box to help with the run defense, more than capable of shutting down TE’s, and still has enough speed and size to play deep. I also think he’d be a perfect fit for Lewis’s defense.

I’d also like to add S- Smoke Monday (Auburn) if he’s still on the board later. Texans are covered if Reid departs for greener pastures. Having the speed, size and physicality of Hamilton and Monday in the defensive backfield would certainly help.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’m a much bigger fan of S- Kyle Hamilton (Notre Dame) since he’s capable of playing in the box to help with the run defense, more than capable of shutting down TE’s, and still has enough speed and size to play deep. I also think he’d be a perfect fit for Lewis’s defense.

I’d also like to add S- Smoke Monday (Auburn) if he’s still on the board later. Texans are covered if Reid departs for greener pastures. Having the speed, size and physicality of Hamilton and Monday in the defensive backfield would certainly help.
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I value the CB position more than the S position if the talent is comparable and in this case it is. IMHO
 
Double Barrel said:
OB being GM was, by far, the worst decision these owners have ever made.

Teams can recover from player controversies. Some team out there is going to win a lot of games with Watson under center.

Which has impacted the franchise more is arguable, but for me it's 1A and 1B.
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I can agree it was dumb to make OB GM. He should have been fired after 51-7.

The biggest damage to the team for me is Watson. We never would have traded Hopkins if it wasn’t for Watson alleged activities off the field.

We traded an extra 1st for Watson.

Watson also said he wanted OB as his coach. Remember when OB was on the hot seat Watson’s rookie year and it was OB vs Rick Smith? Watson came out for OB. Boom. Extension for OB.

Everything goes back to Watson.
 
Lucky said:
I don't agree with looking for fits, especially when drafting that high. Take the best player. A good coach can maximize a great player.
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Agreed,

That's why I'm on board with picking Stingley. I think he's the most talented player in this draft if healthy. A star level player and a very safe bet.

With that said, I think Hutchinson would be a great fit in a Lovie defense. Doesn't mean I would draft him.
 
cuppacoffee said:
One of my mocks on PNN I accepted a trade for #3 and took CB Kalir Elam @ 8 and Edge G Karlaftis @ 9.

I took Strong @ 42

Kinda high for Elam but we need a CB. Projected late pick round #1

Why does the Liberty QB keep showing up as a Texans pick?

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Good question.
Me? If they pull the trigger on a QB, I hope it is Pittsburgs Kenny Pickett. Has a bit of size to him and is said to be the most accurate in this draft.
Trouble is, I have a feeling someone will get desperate and reach for him - likely in the middle of the first round.
If they don't, someone may offer us a juicy trade for our high second round pick (which Caserio will accept if strong enough) and take him.
If Texans want him bad enough they may have to trade back into the back end of the first to get him.
I would rather trade back than up for more picks.
 
Texansphan said:
Good question.
Me? If they pull the trigger on a QB, I hope it is Pittsburgs Kenny Pickett. Has a bit of size to him and is said to be the most accurate in this draft.
Trouble is, I have a feeling someone will get desperate and reach for him - likely in the middle of the first round.
If they don't, someone may offer us a juicy trade for our high second round pick (which Caserio will accept if strong enough) and take him.
If Texans want him bad enough they may have to trade back into the back end of the first to get him.
I would rather trade back than up for more picks.
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Honestly, I probably wouldn't draft a QB in this draft. I'm really not sold on any of the QBs coming out, and we have too many other holes to fill. We need to build up the OLine before we spend a lot of money on a high pick QB. I really don't want to go through the whole David Carr thing again.
 
vtech9 said:
Honestly, I probably wouldn't draft a QB in this draft. I'm really not sold on any of the QBs coming out, and we have too many other holes to fill. We need to build up the OLine before we spend a lot of money on a high pick QB. I really don't want to go through the whole David Carr thing again.
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If Culley is just a place holder it wouldn't make sense to draft a QB. Clock starts & you've only got 5 years.
 
This is only sort of Texans related. Have been watching the Colts Hard Knocks in season on HBO, and it's obvious to me that Frank Reich is a hard core christian. It's also obvious that he brings his values to the building every day, that his players respect that part of what he is, and that many of them are also christians and that it has become a part of that team's culture. Yet, I don't remember the Colts making a big deal out of hiring a fake preacher and declaring that they will instill the "right" culture into their organization.
 
TexansBull said:
Here is a question for anyone on the trading down strategy:

What do you do when you don’t have anyone trade down with?

What happens when the compensation you would get to trade down is comparable to the minimum amount you should receive? You would be taking a loss to take that trade.

Do you take the pick or take less? How much less are you willing to take?
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Spoken like a true Rick Smith fan
 
vtech9 said:
Honestly, I probably wouldn't draft a QB in this draft. I'm really not sold on any of the QBs coming out, and we have too many other holes to fill. We need to build up the OLine before we spend a lot of money on a high pick QB. I really don't want to go through the whole David Carr thing again.
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I wouldn't either, but Caserio just might want to anyway - remember last draft? And I think that Taylor is not a long term solution so the hunt for another franchise QB is on.
 
vtech9 said:
In this upcoming draft, I'm in the trade down for more picks group. My question is would we have a better chance of trading down with the #1 pick, or with the #2 or lower?
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At the moment, I'd say picks #2 thru #5 would carry the best value since there are certainly players that could be justified in those spots.

On the flip side....I think the NFL Combine and Pro Days could certainly upset the applecart b/c this draft doesn't possess a "Franchise QB" type.

I would've included the Senior Bowl, but I could see a lot of top talent bowing out of the game to protect their draft status. The Senior Bowl participants will be the athletes hoping to improve their draft position.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’m a much bigger fan of S- Kyle Hamilton (Notre Dame) since he’s capable of playing in the box to help with the run defense, more than capable of shutting down TE’s, and still has enough speed and size to play deep. I also think he’d be a perfect fit for Lewis’s defense.

I’d also like to add S- Smoke Monday (Auburn) if he’s still on the board later. Texans are covered if Reid departs for greener pastures. Having the speed, size and physicality of Hamilton and Monday in the defensive backfield would certainly help.
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Hamilton may be the most athletic player in this draft. Let's see what the Combine brings. A safety like Jamal Adams was worth (2) 1st and (1) 3rd RD draft picks in trade value. (Although looks like a bad trade for Seattle)
 
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