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steelbtexan said:
So you're on the record, being religious should eliminate you from consideration for a NFL FO job.
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I split sentences with spacing to cultivate my meaning but I didn't change a word.

Ummm.

Reread sir.
 
Texian said:
When you ONLY have 75% of the salary cap available and you also have the fewest players signed to contracts in 2022, yes, it's a major problem and matters greatly. You have the least amount of money to spend and the biggest number of new players to sign. You're F'd BIG Time!
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Are you?

If they do what they did last offseason I think they will be able to find another 3 or 4 cheap guys that can play like they did last season and add them to the 3-4 cheap guys they found this FA season. Then add difference makers in the draft.

But even if you're right (Which you probably will be) and they suck again next yr, will the cap be relatively clean in 2023 and will Caserio most likely have a full compliment of high draft picks to work with?
 
Boris said:
always
not just with the Texans

its strange to me for a business to have a chaplain
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It's certainly not strange to me for religious people to be part of a successful org. (Not just talking about the NFL)
 
steelbtexan said:
What's your point?
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I think his point was "employed."

I still don't get how you misinterpret my words about Easterby unless it's a deliberate effort.

Are you trying to slander me to suit your cause in a thread argument? Do you really think I just said people who are religious shouldn't be in the nfl? Thats pretty f'ed up and I never eluded to such a thing.
 
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Boris said:
most NFL teams (i'm assuming) seem to have a chaplain
i just think that's weird
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Billion dollar companies with million dollar 20 year Olds. They want a support system for their talent. I'd guess every team does it.
 
steelbtexan said:
So you're on the record, being religious should eliminate you from consideration for a NFL FO job.
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Challenge flag thrown. You need to chime in fast because you went to extremes with this post.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion you did but I'm not about to sit here and pretend you didn't post this sh*t.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who was Caserio supposed to trade Cunningham too?

I didn't know BOB was still employed by the Texans org?
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You’re forgetting about the 2nd head of the monster - Preacher Jack who is as responsible for this mess who has skated all accountability and has been hidden away from the media and fans so that he doesn’t have to answer for the destruction that has occurred under his watch.
 
TexansFight said:
You’re forgetting about the 2nd head of the monster - Preacher Jack who is as responsible for this mess who has skated all accountability and has been hidden away from the media and fans so that he doesn’t have to answer for the destruction that has occurred under his watch.
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Careful. Your words will be misinterpreted. He's religious so he automatically gets second chances no matter how stupid his football decisions are.

If you oppose his decisions you'll be burned at the steak or thrown in the river.
 
steelbtexan said:
I was just asking why he doesn't like Easterby?

Also I guess I will ask you, what does Easterby do and who did his job before Easterby entered the doors on Kirby? Could it be he just doesn't like anything Foxboro? BTW, where's the The Patriot Way is all Brady and BB would be an avg HC crowd this yr? The Pats are currently the #1 seed in the AFC.

I guess now it's the it's all about BB crowd that will be the loudest. I find it very humorous how the narratives change around these parts.
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Last thing I heard anything about Easterby was Justin Britt saying he was helpful & appreciated.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1468610261846220800

FYI>>>>>EPA=expected points added on pass plays.

As Cunningham was drafted mainly as a LB projected to have elite coverage skills, his EPA and Y/snap allowed stats have been a dismall disappointment............watching him over the years since 2017, it didn't require looking at stats to come to that conclusion.
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And still, one of the more talented players on this abysmal defense. He was cut as the result of a pissing match with nothing in return.
 
Texian said:
When you ONLY have 75% of the salary cap available and you also have the fewest players signed to contracts in 2022, yes, it's a major problem and matters greatly. You have the least amount of money to spend and the biggest number of new players to sign. You're F'd BIG Time!
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Only if you were expecting the team to be competitive in 2022. 2022 is the year to eat all the dead money so you can start fresh in 2023 like a new expansion team and hopefully do things right this time.
 
Has he been claimed off waivers?

If this guy is so good I can’t imagine him getting past the Falcons. If he clears waivers, I’m going to assume nobody wanted that contract. Even without giving up a future draft pick.
 
thunderkyss said:
Has he been claimed off waivers?

If this guy is so good I can’t imagine him getting past the Falcons. If he clears waivers, I’m going to assume nobody wanted that contract. Even without giving up a future draft pick.
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Is that speculation on his true value?
 
powda said:
McKinney was traded for Lawson (?) Lawson was traded for a 6th round pick.

We got dust for Cunningham so I fail to see your point.
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Two players neither team wanted. McKinney was cut.

They felt they had to get Cunningham out of the building, now. So they did. This wasn't about performance. If it were I'm sure they'd have kept him.

But this was about getting a bad apple (from their pov) out of the locker room.
 
thunderkyss said:
Two players neither team wanted. McKinney was cut.

They felt they had to get Cunningham out of the building, now. So they did. This wasn't about performance. If it were I'm sure they'd have kept him.

But this was about getting a bad apple (from their pov) out of the locker room.
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What was he doing that was so bad?

Just wondering
 
thunderkyss said:
Two players neither team wanted. McKinney was cut.

They felt they had to get Cunningham out of the building, now. So they did. This wasn't about performance. If it were I'm sure they'd have kept him.

But this was about getting a bad apple (from their pov) out of the locker room.
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And you named 2 players with a different skill set in your comparison then Cunningham in a passing league no less.

Did they try to trade him just before the trade deadline idk, but it was a small window.

I'm of the @Lucky mindset posted elsewhere. Make him inactive and trade him in the off-season if he's a problem in a bigger window with a legit trade market.

Get something back for one of the rare assets we have (had.)

We lost as a franchise and fan base today because we're still buying into this culture mantra. And we're doing it at the expense of talent. The only party who won today was Cunningham. And he did it with a check.

This was an utterly stupid move.
 
powda said:
We lost as a franchise and fan base today because we're still buying into this culture mantra. And we're doing it at the expense of talent
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If Caserio wasn't trying to make a competitive team for Watson, & BO'b didn't overpay Whitney & Cunningham neither would've suited up for the Texans in 2021.

Do you remember complaining about them last year? Their play, their contracts? I do.
 
thunderkyss said:
If Caserio wasn't trying to make a competitive team for Watson, & BO'b didn't overpay Whitney & Cunningham neither would've suited up for the Texans in 2021.

Do you remember complaining about them last year? Their play, their contracts? I do.
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Whitney was crap minus a 6 game stretch.

Your reaching to say that on Cunningham. He was infact one the the very few players people had "some" confidence in. Worst case scenario he was a high end jag. Your Lawson McKinney comparisons weren't fair to his talent whatsoever.

He's not great but he was more talented then most of the starters on a craptastic team. Don't let bias sugar coat a turd. We lost talent we couldn't afford to lose. We lost cap we couldn't afford to lose. We did it because we have a rookie coach trying to impose his will.
 
powda said:
I think his point was "employed."

I still don't get how you misinterpret my words about Easterby unless it's a deliberate effort.

Are you trying to slander me to suit your cause in a thread argument? Do you really think I just said people who are religious shouldn't be in the nfl? Thats pretty f'ed up and I never eluded to such a thing.
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I'm not meaning to slander you at all.

I'm just trying to figure out where you stand on this issue.
 
TexansFight said:
You’re forgetting about the 2nd head of the monster - Preacher Jack who is as responsible for this mess who has skated all accountability and has been hidden away from the media and fans so that he doesn’t have to answer for the destruction that has occurred under his watch.
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You know this how?

He could've just been following orders from Cal. We dont know.

What we do know is, 1. BOB was in charge of making the draft calls. Easterby had something to do with negotiating contracts. (He was terrible at this job.) Obviously from last offseason Caerio has taken over this job.
 
thunderkyss said:
What's my bias?

He wasn't playing 30% of the snaps. They were phasing him out.

If it were happening on the offensive side of the ball I would agree with your conclusion.
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What is your bias?

We cut a legit talent on a very bad team. Your defending the cut - so again: what is your insider info we don't know? Or are you blindly defending this move?

Why are you defending him?


They were phasing him out:

As a Nickle package / dime package linebacker maybe? You know better then this statistically so don't play it up to serve your cause. I know better then this even if other posters don't. 1st: post a source. 2nd: was this because of passing situations. 3rd: was this due to injury or disciplinary reasons? Next!

And your last point about imposing wills on offense has no relevance to Cunningham. Not sure what to make of it.
 
powda said:
And you named 2 players with a different skill set in your comparison then Cunningham in a passing league no less.

Did they try to trade him just before the trade deadline idk, but it was a small window.

I'm of the @Lucky mindset posted elsewhere. Make him inactive and trade him in the off-season if he's a problem in a bigger window with a legit trade market.

Get something back for one of the rare assets we have (had.)

We lost as a franchise and fan base today because we're still buying into this culture mantra. And we're doing it at the expense of talent. The only party who won today was Cunningham. And he did it with a check.

This was an utterly stupid move.
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As a fanbase we lost because BOB/Easterby gae Cunningham a dumb contract.

If losing out on a 6-7th rd pick is the most stupid move made this season/offseason then I think the team is in pretty good shape. Bottom line for me is another overrated player got cut today. Flushing the toilet. Only 3 more flushes before you can clean the bowl.
 
powda said:
My words were pretty f'ing clear. Maybe reread post #260.
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I just reread that post, it seems to me your p!ssed because I thought you were against a Christian being employed by an NFL FO. Obviously I misunderstood what you were trying to say or I wouldn't have made that post. Truth is I still dont know where you stand on this issue. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. It certainly wasn't my intention.
 
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steelbtexan said:
As a fanbase we lost because BOB/Easterby gae Cunningham a dumb contract.

If losing out on a 6-7th rd pick is the most stupid move made this season/offseason then I think the team is in pretty good shape. Bottom line for me is another overrated player got cut today. Flushing the toilet. Only 3 more flushes before you can clean the bowl.
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Ob didn't make the cut today so casserio and company are fully to blame.

We are to damn talent devoid to overlook any picks. This team should be clawing and fighting for any 6 or 7 they can get.
 
powda said:
Ob didn't make the cut today so casserio and company are fully to blame.

We are to damn talent devoid to overlook any picks. This team should be clawing and fighting for any 6 or 7 they can get.
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Blame for cutting a sh!tty player. LMAO

Like I said, it's not a big deal to me, obviously it is to you.

If they could've traded Cunningham for a 7th rd pick dont you think they would've done it. Word is they started shopping him after the 1st suspension.
 
steelbtexan said:
I just reread that post, it seems to me your p!ssed because I thought you were against a Christian being employed by an NFL FO. Obviously I didn't misunderstood what you were trying to say or I wouldn't have made that post. Truth is I still dont know where you stand on this issue. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. It certainly wasn't my intention.
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I said religious belief for Easterby should be a non-issue and wasn't relevant to any football conversation. I don't care if he's pagan and believes in tree gods. Things we're quickly taken out of context from there.
 
steelbtexan said:
Blame for cutting a sh!tty player. LMAO

Like I said, it's not a big deal to me, obviously it is to you.

If they could've traded Cunningham for a 7th rd pick dont you think they would've done it. Word is they started shopping him after the 1st suspension.
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Hold him to the off-season. Trade then with more bidders in a longer time frame. Escalate value instead of cut for nothing. Play the market.

Instead, we got his salary and nothing in return.

Casserio sold low on a talent Culley couldn't manage.
 
powda said:
Hold him to the off-season. Trade then with more bidders in a longer time frame. Escalate value instead of cut for nothing. Play the market.

Instead, we got his salary and nothing in return.

Casserio sold low on a talent Culley couldn't manage.
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If you think you could get more in the offseason when a team can draft a better player than Cunningham. If a team needs a LB they would trade for Cunningham now. If you wait until the offseason they will either draft a LB or sign a LB in FA.

Bottom line is we disagree on how good Cunningham is and what we think he's worth. Also this is a sign to me that Caserio is fully running the football opps side because Cunningham was an Easterby guy. He's the person who gave Cunningham this dumb extension to begin with.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Leading the team tackles sucks. Man the world we live in now. Wow
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Jay Foreman once lead the NFL in tackles and got cut the next off-season. He was never heard from again. Cunningham's game reminds me of Foreman's. A take down tackler down field and liability in pass coverage. Kinda like Jaylon Smith was for the Cowboys last yr and this yr before getting cut. Which is exactly the same thing that happened to Cunningham.
 
steelbtexan said:
Jay Foreman once lead the NFL in tackles and got cut the next off-season. He was never heard from again. Cunningham's game reminds me of Foreman's. A take down tackler down field and liability in pass coverage. Kinda like Jaylon Smith was for the Cowboys last yr and this yr before getting cut. Which is exactly the same thing that happened to Cunningham.
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He lead the team in tackles twice. Would've been leading now but this dumb ash organization is killing the little talent we have.
 
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